User talk:Koavf

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Hello Koavf! Welcome to Wikivoyage.

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Your interesting signature[edit]

Although I like to think my English is good, it was not the language I first spoke and I could not decipher what the symbols meant. If it's a secret you can email me and I promise to keep it; if not, please explain here, Justin. Thanks! -- Alice 08:46, 2 December 2012 (UTC)

No secrets First off, your English seems fine to me--I certainly understand you! Furthermore, my signature isn't a secret: ❤ (heart) is for love, ☮ (peace sign) is for peace, ☺ (smiley face) is for non-violence, ☯ (taijian) is for intuition. Or, to put it in religious terms, agape, shalom, ahimsa, and wu wei. Feel free to ask me whatever you'd like here or via e-mail. —Justin (koavf)TCM 09:48, 2 December 2012 (UTC)
Thanks for the prompt response, Justin. I did look at your very interesting User page on Wikipedia before I wrote you and I kinow that you are a person of faith and convictions. I think my confusion was because of the circular shape of the symbols and I wondered if they should be substituted for the letter O-oscar, leading to a signature of "I love ToCoMo" and I could not figure out who or what ToCoMo was! Sorry to be abstruse or nosey -- Alice 22:42, 2 December 2012 (UTC)
ToCoMo No, they don't mean that, but I now wonder how many others thought that... No worries, being nosy--you're fine! How's the weather in Singapore? —Justin (koavf)TCM 06:45, 3 December 2012 (UTC)
The weather doesn't change very much in Singapore so we talk about other things (grin). I'm not in Singapore right now - I get to travel quite a lot and the weather right now in the Southern Hemisphere late spring is terrific - it's Goldilocks weather - not too hot, not too cold, just right! So, again being nosy (just don't answer if you don't care to), why are the symbols separated by those particular consonants of Tango-Charlie-Mike, Justin?
Incidentally, I think some good points were made atWikivoyage:Travellers'_pub#Babel_templates, don't you?
What the heck is the section underneath about? What on earth are "DotM and OtBP icons"? -- Alice 06:53, 3 December 2012 (UTC)
Symbols T = User talk:Koavf, c = Special:Contributions/Koavf, m = Special:EmailUser/Koavf. Wikidata just got started up and establishing user language categories is a real priority over there, since it's multi-lingual, so that just got me thinking. I don't want to see some mistakes repeated over here. "DotM" is "Destination of the Month"—a highlighted spot that has a well-written travel guide—and "OtBP" is "Off the Beaten Path"—for more obscure locations. See Wikivoyage:Destination_of_the_month. How are you enjoying South America? Do you know Portuguese or Spanish? —Justin (koavf)TCM 07:36, 3 December 2012 (UTC)
Ahhhhhhh, now the penny drops! By the way, did you know that, for some obscure reason that I cannot fathom looking at your signature code, the "T" is not being linked to your Talk page when I hover my mouse over it or even click on it?
Thanks for explaining those acronyms - I've been searching for quite a while but was too frightened of asking Peter - he can be a bit sharp.
I've never been in South America and I'm a bit reluctant to specify exactly where I am in the Southern Hemisphere since, due to my rather special position, I value my privacy very highly - sorry not to be as open as yourself but I think you would understand why if we ever meet and I tell you the full story... -- Alice 07:50, 3 December 2012 (UTC)

Acronyms and such I'd be interested in knowing more about your adventurous lifestyle. If you're willing, go ahead and e-mail me... —Justin (koavf)TCM 09:37, 4 December 2012 (UTC)

adding categories to articles.[edit]

Has there been some change to category methods? Until now articles have been added to the region above category via IsPartOf. Any reason for adding articles to its own category such as with Belfast? --Traveler100 (talk) 05:06, 9 July 2013 (UTC)

No I'm just ignorant. I was trying to clear up unused categories and it seemed like Belfast should be the main article in Category:Belfast. —Justin (koavf)TCM 05:09, 9 July 2013 (UTC)
Yes there are a number of categories that need deleting. Mainly due to region articles being renamed and the old category once emptied not being deleted. --Traveler100 (talk) 05:11, 9 July 2013 (UTC)

Speedy deletion[edit]

Hi Koavf, may I know why you added speedy deletion template to Template:User th-0 when its a legitimate template. --Saqib (talk) 08:39, 9 July 2013 (UTC)

Utility Why would we use this template at all? How is it useful to know that someone on an English-language website doesn't know any Thai? Besides, the Babel extension can indicate this anyway. —Justin (koavf)TCM 15:28, 9 July 2013 (UTC)
We've bunch of xx-0 templates so lets not use this template (and every xx-0) for every language that you don't know, but only when there is some reason why you might be expected to know it. For example, one may be of Thai descent, but does not speak the Thai language, or if one lives in Thailand but does not speak Thai. I myself living in UAE since a long time but doesn't speak Arabic unfortunately. --Saqib (talk) 16:00, 9 July 2013 (UTC)
Granted But why would you use a template rather than the Bable extension? —Justin (koavf)TCM 16:35, 9 July 2013 (UTC)
I'm not so sure about this. It would be better if you please raise this issue on pub. --Saqib (talk) 16:40, 9 July 2013 (UTC)
Babel I did but it's not in the archives anymore. —Justin (koavf)TCM 17:03, 9 July 2013 (UTC)
There was some discussion of this here. That discussion seems inconclusive to me, but it might be worth restarting. --Peter Talk 21:55, 9 July 2013 (UTC)

My instant reaction is that Justin is correct for the reasons he stated so cogently in December 2102. --W. Franke-mailtalk 14:49, 16 July 2013 (UTC)


An answer to your (rhetorical?) recent edit summary is at the above discussion page, Justin.

I hope that, after reading it, you self-revert in this case, Justin. All the best! --W. Franke-mailtalk 14:46, 16 July 2013 (UTC)

Your edit to my user page[edit]

What was up with that? --Jonboy (talk) 22:31, 9 November 2013 (UTC) "It's possible for other users to edit, change, delete, move, overwrite, add to, or otherwise mess around with User pages or subpages. It's generally considered bad form to do so, though, unless invited by the user." Wikivoyage:User_page_help#Using_a_personal_sandbox. Please do not do that again. If you have an argument to make that naming myself a docent of my own user page somehow harms Wikivoyage, please make it, rather than breaching etiquette. --Jonboy (talk) 23:09, 10 November 2013 (UTC)

I'm trying to figure out why you have a problem with me naming myself a docent of my own user page?
  1. It's funny.
  2. It is a test of the markup.

If the problem is that you don't want my page to appear Category:HasDocent, then just say that, instead of making uninvited edits to my user page. I've had the code on my page (at the previous site) longer than the category has existed, but if it's become a problem, I'm happy to change it. --Jonboy (talk) 13:34, 11 November 2013 (UTC)

Category I don't want your userpage to appear in Category:HasDocent, which I thought I had made clear earlier but I guess not. —Justin (koavf)TCM 17:53, 11 November 2013 (UTC)
Thanks for fixing the template; that's clearly the best solution. --Jonboy (talk) 16:11, 12 November 2013 (UTC)

Default sort[edit]

Hi, Koavf. What is the "Default sort" template, and what does it do? Ikan Kekek (talk) 22:11, 11 November 2013 (UTC)

Sorting {{DEFAULTSORT}} is a magic word that sorts pages in categories. E.g. Åstorp will be sorted with "Å" (after Z), but if you add {{DEFAULTSORT:Astorp}}, it will be sorted with A, where one would expect to find it. —Justin (koavf)TCM 05:17, 12 November 2013 (UTC)
Oh, I see. Thanks. Ikan Kekek (talk) 06:53, 12 November 2013 (UTC)


Hi, Koavf. Very small point, but way back, Evan made "travellers" the standard Wikitravel (in those days) spelling for documents. We've kept it at Wikivoyage. It's also the standard spelling in British English, and I believe in all non-US varieties of English, so it's best not to "correct" it in articles about destinations outside of the US and a few highly American-influenced countries (e.g., Israel, Philippines, Marshall Islands).

All the best,

Ikan Kekek (talk) 08:31, 22 November 2013 (UTC)

@Ikan Kekek: Thanks for that. I've made it "travelers" in the American content I've edited but I'll leave it "travellers" in documentation. —Justin (koavf)TCM 08:33, 22 November 2013 (UTC)
Thanks, and thanks for all the great work you're doing!
Ikan Kekek (talk) 08:34, 22 November 2013 (UTC)

Non-existent templates[edit]

Hi there! Hope you are well. In looking through Special:WantedTemplates, I notice that several items are called for by User:Koavf/monobook.js. They show up in the list like this:

  • Template:' + 'DEFAULTSORT:' + lastName + ', ' + firstNames + '
  • Template:' + 'DEFAULTSORT:' + nounPhrase + ', ' + article + '
  • Template:' + name + '
  • Template:Further
  • Template:Futher
  • Template:Lang-' + code + '

Obviously these mostly don't and won't exist. Would it be too much to ask you to either remove these or comment them out of the code so that they stop showing up in the list as wanted? Thanks a lot... Texugo (talk) 15:07, 25 February 2014 (UTC)

@Texugo: I don't quite know enough about this to edit it without screwing up the scripts. —Justin (koavf)TCM 07:23, 26 February 2014 (UTC)
So this is something you are still using? Where did you get the code from? Texugo (talk) 11:08, 26 February 2014 (UTC)
@Texugo: Correct. I got it from en.wp. —Justin (koavf)TCM 16:52, 26 February 2014 (UTC)
OK. I think we have figured out a way to fix the erroneous template calls without affect the js functionality. I have made the change here. It shouldn't affect anything, but if it does, please let me know. Thanks a lot! Texugo (talk) 02:05, 2 March 2014 (UTC)