Talk:Flying in Europe

Should an article on air travel in Europe be created?

Swept in from the pub

On the one hand, it might be seen as duplicating things we have since gotten rid of like low cost airlines in Europe or Airlines in Europe, but on the other hand we do have Air travel in the US and the European aviation market is both big enough and quirky enough (air rail alliances, a very strong LCC/Legacy dynamic, competition with other modes of transport) to merit a bit more in depth info. What say ye? Hobbitschuster (talk) 21:59, 29 June 2017 (UTC)

Sounds like a valid travel topic. --Andrewssi2 (talk) 00:14, 30 June 2017 (UTC)

Good idea, but a lot of work. If someone is willing to do that, I'd say by all means go for it.

Certainly it has changed a lot over the last few decades. I recall the BBC reporting in the 80s — when nearly all flights within Europe were on flag carriers and Laker's Sky Train was new — that the cheapest London-Copenhagen flight was to go via New York. Pashley (talk) 01:15, 30 June 2017 (UTC)

I think I could start with it, if there is some willingness by others to help... Hobbitschuster (talk) 13:05, 30 June 2017 (UTC)

I went ahead and created it. Let's give it two months. If it isn't going anywhere after that, we should force it to land. Please do edit away. Hobbitschuster (talk) 16:14, 7 July 2017 (UTC)

Vfd discussion

Created over two months ago as a "trial". Has not significantly grown since then; I deem it at least partially a failed trial. There are no logical targets for merger and a redirect to Europe is decidedly not what I'd want with this, so deletion or keeping and heavily expanding it are the outcomes I'd be happy with. Everything else would be a foul compromise that helps nobody. Hobbitschuster (talk) 21:13, 11 September 2017 (UTC)

• Support HS makes a good case. Ground Zero (talk) 21:45, 11 September 2017 (UTC)
• But what about a redirect not to Europe but to Europe#By plane? -- AndreCarrotflower (talk) 02:10, 12 September 2017 (UTC)
  • That would dump you in the "get in" section. Plus it would leave a lot of links for a "see also" that have since been created blue, which should really be red so that people notice and remove them. Because it's not useful for the traveler to be redirected from the "by plane" section of a random article to the get in by plane section of the Europe article. Hobbitschuster (talk) 10:47, 12 September 2017 (UTC)

Why wouldn't such a redirect be useful to the traveler? Ikan Kekek (talk) 12:25, 12 September 2017 (UTC)

Okay, but what about Europe#By plane 2, a subsection of "Get around"? -- AndreCarrotflower (talk) 14:11, 12 September 2017 (UTC)

If you look at the what links here, I cannot find a single instance where that redirect would make sense. I was hoping that either myself or others would have the time and inspiration to develop this article to something comparable to air travel in the United States or better, but it seems nobody thus far is disagreeing with my assessment that the first two months of existence of this article have not made this hope grow, exactly. Hobbitschuster (talk) 15:50, 12 September 2017 (UTC)

I'm not sure how, or whether anyone with the knowledge will find the time & energy to do it, but it seems clear to me there is potential for a worthwhile article here. As a Canadian who has passed through Europe several times, & used trains and a car within it, but never taken a flight within Europe, I would be interested in reading it. Pashley (talk) 22:36, 12 September 2017 (UTC)

We once had an article with a lot of material in it that got redirected. I have no idea why. The last version I can find is here.

Could some of that be resurrected & put into this article? Pashley (talk) 22:46, 12 September 2017 (UTC)

That article was pretty bad and had a lot of outdated stuff in it, but I might have a look... Hobbitschuster (talk) 22:51, 12 September 2017 (UTC)

Yeah, no, upon further review, the "low cost airlines in x" articles had nothing salvageable in them whatsoever. Do look in the older revisions if you disagree. If nobody intends to develop the air travel in Europe article further, we should delete it or move it to somebody's userspace. Hobbitschuster (talk) 19:02, 28 September 2017 (UTC)

Anybody willing to take it to their userspace? Hobbitschuster (talk) 12:27, 21 October 2017 (UTC)

You're the main author, so why don't you take it, unless you just want to delete it and be done? --ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 14:34, 21 October 2017 (UTC)

Result: Redirected to Europe#By plane 2. -- AndreCarrotflower (talk) 03:19, 20 November 2017 (UTC)

I'm sorry, but I don't quite see how a redirect to Europe can reasonably be seen as the consensus outcome of this discussion. Hobbitschuster (talk) 12:28, 20 November 2017 (UTC)