Talk:Nuremberg

How safe is Nuremberg?

According to the state police, it has the lowest crime rate of the cities with more than 400 000 inhabitants. I think thats about as safe as you can get in a Western Europe city. (WT-en) Miknon 09:18, 27 Dec 2005 (EST)

Cruise ships

Cruise ships stop at Nuremberg? Have you looked at the map? Clearly someone's playing a prank... —The preceding comment was added by 219.106.45.144 (talk • contribs)

Wikipedia article for Nuremberg confirms that Nuremberg, despite being an inland city, indeed lies on an important canal and is an important port. While I don't know if Nuremberg really receives 500 cruise ships annually as is currently told by the "by ship" section of the article, I don't think it can be automatically ruled out solely based on geographical facts, either. – (WT-en) Vidimian 11:02, 15 January 2012 (EST)

My edit of 2017 clarifies that these are cruise ships - and there's plenty - but they're on 7 to 14 day tours, not point-to-point ferries. Grahamsands (talk) 13:40, 10 December 2017 (UTC)

Crap

Sorry some parts of this (especially nightlife and food) is just crap. As a local I tried to edit 1-2 of this, but months later it's still there. Taking this into account, I'd never ever check this site for a vacation.

Did someone reverse your edits? The article looks pretty healthy to me. (I have never edited this article) --Andrewssi2 (talk) 13:21, 19 September 2013 (UTC)

Alternative banner for this article?

Existing banner

New suggestion

In the Hebrew Wikivoyage we are currently using this banner instead of the one which is currently used here. Do you think too that this banner would would better than the existing one? ויקיג'אנקי (talk) 15:36, 4 November 2013 (UTC)

Here I vote for leaving the current one. There's too much roofing in this one. Jjtkk (talk) 17:22, 4 November 2013 (UTC)

I mildly prefer the new one, because the existing one has too much shadow in the right side. --Danapit (talk) 10:10, 5 November 2013 (UTC)

I think I agree with Dana on this one. I could imagine an even better banner than either of them, but like Dana, I mildly prefer the new banner, though I'm sympathetic to Jjtkk's objection to it. Ikan Kekek (talk) 11:29, 5 November 2013 (UTC)

You have a point with the shadow on the right. Let's change it. Jjtkk (talk) 13:39, 5 November 2013 (UTC)

Listings lacking area code

Some listings seem to lack the local area code for Nuremberg (0)911 in their phone numbers. Hobbitschuster (talk) 17:39, 6 September 2015 (UTC)

Importing from German WV

A text box suggests this. Mission accepted, but it won't be straight translation, I'll pluck out relevant info yet hopefully make it more concise. Grahamsands (talk) 21:12, 6 December 2017 (UTC)

Of course. In many cases a direct translation from de-WV would actually be somewhat harmful. But much of the information there is still valuable and fits here. Hobbitschuster (talk) 22:14, 6 December 2017 (UTC)

Ja, so. What it also needs is more orientation, before we plow into the listings. I think the museum entries will work better in their home district, with a round-up of what's in the combi ticket. Grahamsands (talk) 13:37, 10 December 2017 (UTC)

I find it rather baffling that the "get in" section now contains a non-standard "by road" section. It really should be a "by car", "by bus", "by bike" and so on section as the needs may dictate. The current layout is not particularly helpful to someone who might consider a bus but wouldn't consider driving or vice versa. Hobbitschuster (talk) 23:00, 10 December 2017 (UTC)

I'm surprised, as TTCF, is the traveller not looking for transport options rather than a particular modality? So thru condensing subsections that only contain a line or two, the reader lands upon a more compact navigable page.

Sidewise to that, apols that I'm not including umlauts & other diacriticals in first edit savings. I'd reckoned to sprinkle them on later, like a waiter flourishing a peppermill. But my internet access is patchy, TTCF, so Urlaub trumps Umlaut. Grahamsands (talk) 23:27, 10 December 2017 (UTC)

Well you might argue the point that the section should be "by road" instead of "by car" and "by bus" in the pub or at the appropriate policy page, but yes, we do indeed focus on the mode and not the infrastructure. Hobbitschuster (talk) 00:10, 11 December 2017 (UTC)

Okay, I've reverted. Can anyone comment on the remark that the alley by Spittlertor should be avoided as it's the red light district? Is the issue safety, or sleazy shop windows? I don't recall seeing anything untoward or offensive there, but it was a sleepy afternoon. Grahamsands (talk) 10:23, 12 December 2017 (UTC)

Further, in "Do" I propose deleting the big box about the Max Morloch stadium (which has indeed now adopted that name). I'll just leave a comment and link to the Wikipedia article, which covers this grand saga. It's of scant interest to most visitors. Views? Grahamsands (talk) 21:26, 13 December 2017 (UTC)

Please go ahead. Ikan Kekek (talk) 23:38, 13 December 2017 (UTC)

I would oppose removing it. Stories like this give background on some issues (like the one on W. Walker in the Granada or the Nicaragua article or the one on "Emperor Norton" in the San Francisco article) and those that don't wish to read it can just skip it. Dead tress guides also have boxes like that. And he is called Max Morlock, not "Morloch". Hobbitschuster (talk) 23:54, 13 December 2017 (UTC)

Both Walker Granada and Emperor Norton are great stories, well-told, and add to my appreciation of the place - thanks for pointing them out. Whereas I'm sceptical of the Morlock box on all three counts. Eg it doesn't bring out why Max M is such an evocative name in German soccer, so it just seems an unedifying squabble. Grahamsands (talk) 13:23, 14 December 2017 (UTC)

He was German champion twice (1948 & 1961) and one of very few players to play throughout the Oberliga era and into the Bundesliga era. He was also world champion in 1954 and scored the crucial first goal for Germany in the final against Hungary. And I find the story of how the locals and fans - including the local public transit company - stubbornly refused to use sponsorship names and seem to have "won" for now interesting all by itself. I think there is a similar note in the Chicago article about locals not using sponsored names Hobbitschuster (talk) 09:55, 15 December 2017 (UTC)

I've imported a bit more on sausages and gingerbread into "Eat", though it's created some overlap with "souvenirs". I'm inclined not to import more as the de-WV content is mostly about regional specialities, not specific to Nuremberg. Maybe just add a link to Franconia, unless someone spots an N-only treat I've overlooked.

I've also taken the liberty of removing the "non-standard by road" header above (ensuing text of course is unaltered). This was quickly resolved and didn't turn into a separate thread, it's all within the context of importing from de-WV. Grahamsands (talk) 20:44, 22 December 2017 (UTC)

Stadium name infobox

I don't think we need such a long explanation for a stadium name. A short summary could be added to the appropriate listing. For now, I just moved the infobox to here. Xsobev (talk) 14:31, 17 January 2018 (UTC)

Stadium Names Ever since moving out of its (now demolished and roughly the site of the Mercado mall) former stadium at Zerzabelshof, nicknamed "Zabo", the 1.FCN has played in a partially city owned stadium called "Frankenstadion" (Franconia stadium) or "städtisches Stadion" (municipal stadium) for most of its existence. However, the trend of naming everything in sports after potent sponsors has reached Germany as well (neighboring Fürth was one of the first, naming their stadium at Rohnhof after a toy company and later a sweets company) albeit against strong protests of fans and media alike. Nuremberg's stadium thus came to be known as "easy credit Stadion" for a while, but reverted to the old "Frankenstadion" for the 2006 soccer world cup, because FIFA would not allow anything to be named after a non-official sponsor (this caused the sites that had only ever been known by various brand names to be renamed "Stadion X" with "X" being the city). The S-Bahn stop meanwhile has remained "Frankenstadion" for all this time, initially because the VGN (who operates the S-Bahn) argued that the costs of renaming would be excessive. Local media similarly refuse to use the sponsorship name as much as they can. After the initial contract ran out, the name did not revert to "Frankenstadion" but instead to "Stadion Nürnberg" before a new sponsor was found with the new name becoming "Grundig Stadion", which remained the name until 2016, when it reverted to "Stadion Nürnberg" once more as the contract expired. Throughout this, the fans of 1.FC Nürnberg increasingly lobbied to have the stadium named after perhaps the greatest player of the FCN ever, 1948 and 1961 German champion and world champion 1954 Max Morlock. Even fans of other teams have expressed support and sympathy for the name "Max Morlock Stadion" when on away games in Nuremberg. In partial recognition of these fan demands and to honor past FCN players, the blocks of the stadium were renamed after players including Morlock for the 2006/2007 season and have kep those names since. The naming issue is a dicey subject in local politics as not only does the FCN rely heavily on this stream of revenue, but so does the city as a part owner. In 2017 the stadium finally did get officially renamed "Max Morlock Stadion".

Apologies, I didn't see that there was a discussion in the previous section (Importing from German WV) about this infobox. I still think, this info should be shortened and added to the stadium listing, if you want to keep it. Xsobev (talk) 14:42, 17 January 2018 (UTC)

Tram Map

While the dynamic map now includes the subway lines and certain politicians like to suggest that Trams are "better buses" (and some even say they're hardly that) I think it would be helpful to have the tram lines show up, too. However, I'd need some help with that as I don't think the tram lines have WP or WD entries... Hobbitschuster (talk) 13:01, 26 March 2018 (UTC)

While somebody (I'm too lazy to look up who did the edit) has added the trams, they don't show up on the map. Why? Probably the Wikidata and/or OSM stuff hasn't been done yet... Hobbitschuster (talk) 18:27, 25 July 2018 (UTC)

Trams still don't show up

They still don't. Is it an OSM or a Wikidata thing? Hobbitschuster (talk) 14:02, 4 August 2018 (UTC)

Why S-Bahn and not tram?

Why does the S-Bahn, which is of limited use for getting around inside the city show up and the tram does not? Hobbitschuster (talk) 16:13, 16 October 2018 (UTC)

Nuremberg subway line color

Swept in from the pub

For some reason the color of  U3  in the dynamic map has been changed from its proper bluish hue to a red either totally the same or night indistinguishable from that of  U2 . Can anybody tell me why and can we change this back? Hobbitschuster (talk) 18:23, 24 May 2019 (UTC)

Fixed the wikidata. -- andree.sk(talk) 19:27, 24 May 2019 (UTC)

Thanks. Hobbitschuster (talk) 20:25, 26 May 2019 (UTC)

Should the relaunch of the bikeshare program be mentioned?

I reverted this edit because

• it restored Hobbitschuster's intentional currency formatting error -- he knows knows what Wikivoyage formatting is
• it restored trivia about bikeshare program history that I had removed. This is a travel guide, not a history book.
• it restored a grammatical error -- the system did not relaunch itself, it was relaunched by program officials.

Again, I encourage Hobbitschuster to discuss edits rather than engaging in a stupid edit war. Ground Zero (talk) 18:40, 11 July 2019 (UTC)

Don't call me stupid. Hobbitschuster (talk) 19:44, 11 July 2019 (UTC)

I called edit wars stupid. Please read my comments before responding. Ground Zero (talk) 19:47, 11 July 2019 (UTC)

Then why did you start one? Hobbitschuster (talk) 19:49, 11 July 2019 (UTC)

Correcting intentional formatting errors and grammatical errors is not edit warring. Reverting without discussing is edit warring. It is something you do all too often. Ground Zero (talk) 19:51, 11 July 2019 (UTC)

Hobbitschuster, I have never called you stupid and you know that. Making false accusations in edit summaries is not constructive behaviour. Insisting on your preferred formatting over the community's decision is not constructive behaviour. You know what the policy is.

Now, why is important that travellers know the history of the bikeshare program in Nuremberg? As I explained above, and in an edit summary, this is trivia. You have provided no explanation for it, but have restored in 3 times now. Ground Zero (talk) 20:00, 11 July 2019 (UTC)

Would you consider "the hotel has shut down three times in the last five years and changed owner ten times in the last twenty years" an instance of "useless historical trivia"? Hobbitschuster (talk) 18:14, 13 July 2019 (UTC)

No, but this isn't a case of the bike share shutting down three times in the last five years and changing owners ten times in the last twenty years. Can you tell me why it is so important to you to mention a single false start on a bike share program that you would keep reinstating grammatical and formatting errors to ensure that it is mentioned? Ground Zero (talk) 18:16, 13 July 2019 (UTC)

Nuremberg U-Bahn extension

Swept in from the pub

The Nuremberg U-Bahn opened a new station w:de:Großreuth (U-Bahn Nürnberg) on October 15. We should add it to the mapshape. Hobbitschuster (talk) 20:31, 17 October 2020 (UTC)

Assuming you mean the diagrammatic map in Nuremberg#Get around, I recommend approaching the map's creator, who is still active on Commons.--ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 20:44, 17 October 2020 (UTC)

No I mean the lines that show up on the dynamic map. Hobbitschuster (talk) 21:09, 17 October 2020 (UTC)

@Hobbitschuster: Those mapshapes are dependent on data from OpenStreetMap. Once the edit is made there (and it has been made already), it will take a bit of time before this change is visible here as well. Things like these require no action from us whatsoever. This change to the map should be visible here before the end of the month at the latest, or so I reckon. However, changes like these are quite unpredictable as to how quickly they become visible here. It could be visible tomorrow, it could be visible next week, but all we need to do is sit back and wait :)
-- Wauteurz (talk) 22:01, 17 October 2020 (UTC)

As long as somebody at OSM takes care of it. It might be a good idea to check that the update has indeed been done over there, as you did. –LPfi (talk) 06:24, 19 October 2020 (UTC)

It's strange that it still didn't show up, though - it usually takes a day or two, when I was adding various routes from OSM :-/ -- andree.sk(talk) 19:16, 21 October 2020 (UTC)

Christmas market

From another travel guide: For the first time since WWII, Germany is canceling its Nuremberg Christmas Market Pashley (talk) 11:13, 30 October 2020 (UTC)