Talk:Ruta del Tránsito

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Pagebanner[edit]

Several proposals to base a banner upon (or of images to be included into the article)

A view of the river from El Castillo
A map of the river contemporary to the route's heyday
Another picture of the river
The same map of the river in a different color scheme
Ometepe, one of the highlights of the trip

There are of course other probably suitable images. Best wishes Hobbitschuster (talk) 15:23, 27 April 2015 (UTC)

Guide?[edit]

What would be needed to get this article to guide-status?Hobbitschuster (talk) 12:19, 17 June 2015 (UTC)

Hi, Hobbitschuster. I'm actually not sure it should technically even be considered usable at this point, because there is not enough information in the Eat and Sleep sections of the some of the stops. The itinerary tells you, for example, to stay in Rivas and San Juan del Norte assuming that those articles will provide the eat and sleep details, but those sections are empty, meaning that we don't actually offer all the information needed to use the itinerary.
  • Rivas - Empty Eat and Sleep sections
  • San Juan del Norte - Empty Eat and Sleep sections
  • Solentiname Islands - Incomplete Sleep information, empty Eat section
  • El Castillo - Eat tells you one specialty to try, but has no restaurant listings. Sleep implies there are various options but has only one listing.
  • San Carlos - mentions some restaurants and hotels, but they are not in listing format and are lacking contact details/addresses
  • Altagracia - vague mention of a market in the Eat section, no listings. One Sleep listing which looks shady yet implies there might be other better (yet unlisted) options around.
Although the above means that the itinerary is not currently even usable, if the needed Eat and Sleep listings are filled in at the destinations, I think the itinerary will jump straight to guide status, because everything else is done quite well. Texugo (talk) 13:31, 17 June 2015 (UTC)
Do the criteria of itineraries require that the stops have all the listings? Or is that only true of regions and countries? Hobbitschuster (talk) 13:44, 17 June 2015 (UTC)
Not expressly, but it's common sense if you just ask yourself: considering that the itinerary relies on the town articles to provide those details rather than providing them itself, would it be possible to use this itinerary without them? The answer is no. Texugo (talk) 13:48, 17 June 2015 (UTC)
Part of the problem is that many hotels and eateries (especially those in the lower price-segment) don't have a website and are not present on the web in any way. There is a good website for three of the towns in Rio San Juan (San Carlos, El Castillo and San Juan de Nicaragua) but elsewhere along this route it is rather hard to find places without physically going there. Which I'd love to but can't right now. Hobbitschuster (talk) 14:37, 17 June 2015 (UTC)
Apart from Rivas (I stayed there once as a matter of fact, but for the live of me can't remember the name of any of the hotels or restaurants there) and Solentiname (which has few places to eat or sleep to begin with) they all have at least one listing for eat and sleep now. Hobbitschuster (talk) 17:06, 17 June 2015 (UTC)

So... It appears that the article on Rivas, which is a rather big place and you can sleep there but still does not offer much of value to the traveler to entice them to stay their longer than absolutely necessary (especially given the world class attractions just a short bus ride away) is the only thing currently not at least at "barely usable" in this itinerary... Hobbitschuster (talk) 11:39, 29 June 2015 (UTC)

A piece on Nicaraguan TV on this itinerary[edit]

It might not be the best quality (and the speaker has a rather thick accent) but this video are the only moving images I found about the route; he mostly focuses on the Rio San Juan bits. Hobbitschuster (talk) 17:16, 18 August 2015 (UTC)

On a related note: Two newspaper articles ten years apart[edit]

One British the other American - as you can see few things have truly changed in the area. Although one of the two articles seems to suggest that San Juan del Norte does not, in fact, exist. Hobbitschuster (talk) 00:54, 20 December 2015 (UTC)

The lede[edit]

Is a bit liveless if you ask me... As WV has been criticized for this before, we might wish to do something about this before this here page goes live as FTT... Should we just move part or all of the "Understand" section into the lede? I am not really good at the kind of writing that seems to be required here, I'm afraid... Hobbitschuster (talk) 01:33, 21 August 2015 (UTC)

Alternatives[edit]

I think the Understand part talking about alternatives to this route could be more elegant, but before trying to reword it: wasn't going via Cape Horn a viable alternative at the time? – Which shows something about the arduousness of overland travel. --LPfi (talk) 13:11, 19 October 2018 (UTC)

As far as I've read, Panama and Nicaragua were the most common options. I don't know how common Cape Horn was, but later in that century there were sail ships carrying grains around there... Hobbitschuster (talk) 13:13, 19 October 2018 (UTC)
I was taught in my California history class in school that there were three ways to get to California during the gold rush: on the Oregon Trail, by ship with a trek through Panama, and around the tip of South America. w:California Gold Rush seems to confirm that going around Cape Horn was an option—I'll adjust the article accordingly. —Granger (talk · contribs) 13:53, 19 October 2018 (UTC)
Keep in mind, as well, that going around the tip of South America involved two different routes: the Strait of Magellan and Cape Horn. --Comment by Selfie City (talk about my contributions) 13:59, 19 October 2018 (UTC)
Did anybody use the Strait of Magellan? It was very difficult to navigate with a sailing ship, as it meant beating in a narrow sound with strong currents and irregular winds. --LPfi (talk) 15:51, 19 October 2018 (UTC)
It was the other way around: The Central American routes were alternatives to going around the southern tip of South America. Ikan Kekek (talk) 19:10, 19 October 2018 (UTC)

Boat canceled and security situation[edit]

So the boat from/to Ometepe has not been running for several years now and despite it never officially being permanently cancelled, I think it is safe to say, it won't come back any time soon. The other thing is the security situation. Should it be mentioned and if so, how? Hobbitschuster (talk) 14:28, 19 October 2018 (UTC)