Talk:Helsinki/Central

FishMarket: Mid-range or Splurge?

FishMarket is listed twice in the "Eat" section, in both "Mid-range" and "Splurge". Which is it? JIP (talk) 11:21, 17 December 2014 (UTC)

Seems this persists. I was going to remove the Mid-range listing, but the descriptions differ somewhat, and not knowing the place it is difficult to merge them. I also note that it is listed as Finnish, while the food offerings seem to be anything but Finnish. Is there somebody from Helsinki around? --LPfi (talk) 11:37, 2 November 2015 (UTC)

I am, but I'm not familiar with this restaurant. Looks like it's on the more expensive side, just like most of Royal ravintolat's restaurants. Also, the menu is rather international. Will edit accordingly. ϒpsilon (talk) 12:11, 2 November 2015 (UTC)

Map marker going off the map

Swept in from the pub

I recently added Ravintola Kaisaniemi to the Helsinki/Central article, because I think the restaurant is in central Helsinki. But the map marker goes just very slightly off the map. In the default zoom level, you can't see it. But if you zoom out just one level, it can be seen at the northern edge, just a bit north from the central railway station. Walking from the railway station to the restaurant takes less than fifteen minutes. What should be done? Leave it as it is, zoom the map out a bit by default, or move the restaurant to another subpage of Helsinki? JIP (talk) 20:39, 25 February 2015 (UTC)

It's a quite normal problem with the dynamic map, discussed on countless talk pages, and there's really no good solution. If one sets the zoom level to one higher, there will be a sea of plusses. :P The good thing is that as the map is dynamic you can move it just like Google Maps or whatever (or look at it in fullscreen). ϒpsilon (talk) 20:45, 25 February 2015 (UTC)

I'm not sure about how it is for the first time user, however I believe most WV'ers assume that some POI's are out of sight on the map. In the example you use it seems that there is a "sea of plusses" at zoom level 13, 14 and even 15 so doesn't make too much difference :) --Andrewssi2 (talk) 21:03, 25 February 2015 (UTC)

I hesitate to bring this up because it's controversial in some corners of WV, but you could also manually customize the dimensions of the mapframe (by default it's set at 420px by 420px). Template:Mapframe has a breakdown of how that's done. -- AndreCarrotflower (talk) 22:17, 25 February 2015 (UTC)

Nice article! Maybe it could use more pictures, for instance pictures of food in the Eat section? I took the initiative to rezize the map as it contains a high number of POIs. Nicolas1981 (talk) 02:19, 26 February 2015 (UTC)

For the record, I've twice (Talk:Helsinki#Districts Talk:Helsinki#Further_districtification) suggested the current Helsinki/Central to be broken up into 2-3 districts but it was opposed on the talk page. ϒpsilon (talk) 05:30, 26 February 2015 (UTC)

I have uploaded some pictures of food in restaurants in Central Helsinki to Commons. I could perhaps try to add some of them to the page. JIP (talk) 10:54, 26 February 2015 (UTC)

Please do not equate a map window with the entire dynamic map. I prefer to show inside the map frame only the important touristic center. Not the whole city or district. POI's outside automatically will be marked with light blue semi circles on the map frame edges -- Joachim Mey2008 (talk) 14:06, 26 February 2015 (UTC)

Headings covered by map

Enlarging the map on Helsinki/Central (see above) had the effect of getting headings covered by the image (when the browser window is narrow enough; tested with iceweasel/firefox and Opera on Debian/Linux). I have seen the phenomenon before in other articles.

There seems to be something weird about how headings and images interact. The running text is pushed down if there is too little space to the left of an image, but the headings are just wrapped word by word and the word endings (if too long) get hidden behind the image, not pushed down. Probably there is some CSS code that does not take headings in account, and could allow a neater solution.

--LPfi (talk) 10:07, 26 February 2015 (UTC)

For one thing, that header is pretty long for a WV header. I'd prefer to see it shortened to either "Waterfront architecture" or "Kruununhaka and Pohjoisranta", rather than squeezing all that in there. You can always put the missing info into the first line of prose there. Texugo (talk) 11:32, 26 February 2015 (UTC)

Header shortened. ϒpsilon (talk) 11:43, 26 February 2015 (UTC)

OK, but the problem is only exaggerated with long headings, short ones do not solve it. With my current window size I only see the "S" of See. --LPfi (talk) 12:33, 26 February 2015 (UTC)

Does this happen to all images, or just dynamic maps? Does it happen only here at Wikivoyage or also at other sites (the English Wikipedia, or any of the others)? WhatamIdoing (talk) 04:45, 1 March 2015 (UTC)

If your window/screen is so small that a typical image will smash a three-letter header, shouldn't you probably be viewing the mobile site anyway? Texugo (talk) 12:44, 1 March 2015 (UTC)

I typically adjust the browser window to suite typical Wikimedia layout. When an image, like here, is much wider than typical images, the text column becomes narrow. I have no problem with short headings by images of normal size (even long headers are no problem if the images are below the heading, as they normally are).

I will do some experimenting when I have more time. Am I alone with the problem? Don't you have it if you make the window narrower (as in allowing two parallel windows)?

--LPfi (talk) 11:40, 2 March 2015 (UTC)

Sports Academy

Sports Academy is listed twice, both as a restaurant and as a bar. It's the same establishment. Is this OK or should the listings be merged? JIP (talk) 19:55, 20 September 2015 (UTC)

Thank for noticing, it should be merged. We try to avoid listing places twice (unless it's e.g. some hotel restaurant world famous on its own merits). ϒpsilon (talk) 20:03, 20 September 2015 (UTC)

Done --ϒpsilon (talk) 20:27, 20 September 2015 (UTC)

Thanks. JIP (talk) 20:41, 20 September 2015 (UTC)

Banner

current

175

176

177

178

We received some nice banners of Central Helsinki during Wiki Loves Monuments. I find 176-178 sharper, better cropped, and generally more appealing than the current banner. Detail of the train station building (#176) would be the best choice, because it's an important landmark and a sublime example of Finnish architecture from 1910s-1920s. Would you support the change? --Alexander (talk) 12:52, 25 November 2019 (UTC)

• I support changing; any one of those banners showing the detail would be better than the current one. My favourite is a tossup between the two grotesques pulling faces at one another, or Tufty and his acorn.--ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 21:11, 25 November 2019 (UTC)

I like 178 too, so chose it. Thanks! --Alexander (talk) 20:43, 28 November 2019 (UTC)

Splitting off a Kruununhaka and Katajanokka article?

Thinking about it, the area included in this article is really made up of two parts with a different character. On one hand there's the lively and commercial "core of Helsinki" including Aleksanterinkatu, Esplanadi Park, the Central Railway Station and Kaisaniemi. On the other hand there are the more sleepier districts of Kruununhaka and Katajanokka that include quite a few of the city's grand buildings but have a considerably lesser density of shops, restaurants and bars. So I'd suggest splitting the current article into a western (Central) and eastern (Kruununhaka and Katajanokka) part, the border could be Unioninkatu or Fabianinkatu. --Ypsilon (talk) 18:57, 10 April 2022 (UTC)

Made two mockups in my userspace: new Central, Kruununhaka-Katajanokka. --Ypsilon (talk) 15:10, 11 April 2022 (UTC)

Done --Ypsilon (talk) 17:57, 19 April 2022 (UTC)

Hard Rock Cafe

I'd be inclined to delete the listing per WV:Boring, and even more so the photo of it, but in case there's something particularly notable about this location, I thought I'd ask for permission first. Ikan Kekek (talk) 03:32, 24 July 2022 (UTC)

For you, and for me, this would be a boring place. But inexplicably, tourists love HRC, so I think it should stay. Ground Zero (talk) 03:35, 24 July 2022 (UTC)

Agreed. It's not that popular of a chain outside North America so I'd also be inclined to keep it. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 03:53, 24 July 2022 (UTC)

OK, what about the photo of it? By the way, there are certainly tourists who love it in the U.S., but no way in Hell would I support listing a New York City location. Ikan Kekek (talk) 06:25, 24 July 2022 (UTC)

I removed the photo. If travellers want to visit it, it hardly qualifies as boring, especially if it's the only one in Finland (so you won't bump into them everywhere) – but we don't need to highlight it as representing Helsinki. –LPfi (talk) 08:16, 24 July 2022 (UTC)

OK. Thanks, everyone. Ikan Kekek (talk) 08:26, 24 July 2022 (UTC)

Well, Hard Rock Café Helsinki has now closed down, so this whole discussion is now moot. JIP (talk) 10:14, 18 March 2023 (UTC)

Restaurant Kappeli

I would be inclined to list restaurant Kappeli as Splurge instead of Mid-range. With main courses costing from €30 to €45 and whole menus costing €70 I think it's in the high end of restaurants in central Helsinki. Any thoughts on this? JIP (talk) 10:17, 18 March 2023 (UTC)

Yes, I would say Kappeli should go in the Splurge section. Possibly someone has added it to Mid-range accidentally. Ypsilon (talk) 10:22, 18 March 2023 (UTC)