Talk:Vladimir

Star article?

This is fairly close to being a star article. The big obstacle, though, is that it needs a Wikivoyage style map with all listings marked. As far as I can tell, there is no such map in the public domain or under a CC-by-SA compatible license (OSM's [1] data for the city is very incomplete at the moment). If OSM gets a ton of new content for the city, or if someone locates a public domain map or high-resolution satellite imagery, please let me know, and I'll be happy to create a tourist map for the article. --(WT-en) Peter ^Talk 02:29, 24 February 2009 (EST)

Well, this is something I wanted to ask you. There is a high-resolution image on Google Maps for a huge part of Vladimir, and there is a full street map as well. Alternatively, I can suggest few other map sources (bitmap files). Just tell me what is better. We can probably share the work, since I have an experience in working with vector graphics. Drawing from the scratch is likely too difficult for me, but labeling the streets and placing the attractions should be easier. (WT-en) Atsirlin 03:23, 24 February 2009 (EST)

Unfortunately, all Google Maps imagery and data is copyrighted, so we can't use it here. Any bitmap sources would have to be either in the public domain or licensed compatible with CC-by-SA. If you're not sure whether they are compatible, please link them here, so I can check. Sadly, finding free-content map bases for destinations outside the U.S. is still fairly difficult, since only the U.S. government releases its high resolution satellite imagery into the public domain—I've only been able to do those St Petersburg maps because the CIA mapped the city during the cold war. --(WT-en) Peter ^Talk 03:39, 24 February 2009 (EST)

Look here: [2]. But I am pretty sure that these maps were copyrighted. Actually, I thought that the complete redrawing of the map "kills" the copyright: you simply take the shapes of the streets that can not belong to anyone. (WT-en) Atsirlin 03:46, 24 February 2009 (EST)

Yes it's a bit ridiculous, but the street layout as shown on a map is subject to copyright by the mapmaker. Maps under copyright even go so far as to introduce errors in order to catch copyright violations. One would think that at least satellite images would be OK (like the ones Google Maps uses), but even those images are subject to copyright.

The allvladimir maps are very good, though—if we could get permission to use them, I could make very good Wikivoyage-style maps for the city. You could try sending them an email [3] and asking whether they might be willing to allow us to use their maps under our license. The key parts of which are: Anyone can reuse and modify the maps, provided they 1) credit the author, and 2) keep it under the same license. There is a Russian translation of the license here that you could show them. --(WT-en) Peter ^Talk 04:07, 24 February 2009 (EST)

To my mind this article is far from being a star one, the data is wrong and it's hard for me to change it, the page didn't accept my corrections. 62.182.70.112 11:09, 9 March 2010 (EST)Ekaterina

It looks like another editor undid your edit [4] because it wasn't clear why you were deleting the Horizon listing. It can be helpful to leave an edit summary when making a change, so others understand why you are making the change.

So please, try again and make the necessary improvements! --(WT-en) Peter ^Talk 12:28, 9 March 2010 (EST)

Oh, I understand, thank you for help! 62.182.64.208 13:32, 10 March 2010 (EST)Ekaterina

By the way, I have a question: may be we should write the pronouncment variant, as you see every name has its calling in English for example "Russian Village" restaurant then goes the Russian one (Русская ��еревня, and what about "Rooskaya Derevnya" or kind of that? 62.182.64.208 13:39, 10 March 2010 (EST)Ekaterina

We have not quite decided this question, but my recommendation is to follow this example from the Yakutsk article:

• <eat name="Tygyn Darkhan" alt="Тыгын Дархан" address="ул. Аммосова, 9" directions="ulitsa Ammosova, 9" phone="" email="" fax="" url="" hours="8AM-10AM, noon-3PM, 6PM-11PM daily" price="~1,000 rubles">This is the best place in Yakutia (and thus likely the world) to try Yakut national cuisine. Some iconic Yakut dishes to look out for include Oiogos (Ойогос) (baked foal ribs), Salamat (Саламат) porridge, and Indigirka (Индигирка) salad (made with frozen fish).</eat>

Короче говоря, translate the name but also show the Russian version; use Russian for the street address, but also provide a transliteration (pronouncement variant) for the street address. --(WT-en) Peter ^Talk 13:48, 10 March 2010 (EST)

Ok, i get it. Peter, where should I write my summary, in the end of editing? (WT-en) Ekaterina 14:11, 10 March 2010 (EST)Ekaterina

Close, in the thin rectangular box just above the Save page button (marked Summary: ). --(WT-en) Peter ^Talk 14:18, 10 March 2010 (EST)