User talk:Whatsuptravellers
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Thanks for your work so far. "Souls" is often used to mean "people" in certain dialects of English. More relevantly, please have a look at Wikivoyage:Airport Expedition#Article criteria. We don't have articles for airports on this site unless they are so big that people spend a lot of time there, particularly in transit, and they have enough restaurants, bars and shops to make up full articles. All of that is to say that Nadi International Airport likely should be only a listing in Nadi#By plane, not its own article. Please note, too, that while text from Wikipedia can be used here, if it is copied and pasted without credit in either an edit summary you type in the "Summary" box below your edit screen or the talk (discussion) page of the Wikivoyage article in question, it is copyright violation. The simplest course of action, then, is to simply delete the Nadi International Airport article as copyvio. Any objections?
Thanks and all the best,
Ikan Kekek (talk) 03:04, 4 December 2022 (UTC)
- I haven't copied and pasted any text from Wikipedia, just summarised info. Also, I don't recall any dialect where "soul" means "person" in that context (at least not in the Pacific). Anyway, why shouldn't Nadi Airport be an article? We have plenty of airport articles. Anyway, thanks though. Whatsuptravellers (talk) 03:21, 4 December 2022 (UTC)
- OK, fair enough. But please read the link I gave you: Wikivoyage:Airport Expedition#Article criteria. Is Nadi Airport huge, complex and full of lots of restaurants, bars and shops? About how many listings in total in the Eat, Drink, Buy and Sleep sections do you expect there to be? Ikan Kekek (talk) 03:25, 4 December 2022 (UTC)
- I'll list a few. Thanks for giving me the criteria. I'll read it and then decide what airports I can make articles about. I have Adelaide, Honolulu and Newcastle in mind, maybe Canberra too, for my next ones. They should be large enough. As for Nadi, it's a large airport for a Pacific Island country. Having been there, yes, there are a fair few shops and restaurants, plus at least one hotel. Whatsuptravellers (talk) 03:30, 4 December 2022 (UTC)
- I don't agree that Adelaide, Newcastle or Canberra are likely to be large and complex enough. You should please start a discussion at Wikivoyage talk:Airport Expedition, stating which airports you would like to start articles for, and wait for a consensus to either agree or disagree before you start more of them. Ikan Kekek (talk) 05:17, 4 December 2022 (UTC)
- Okay. P.S: someone already made Canberra Airport. Whatsuptravellers (talk) 05:25, 4 December 2022 (UTC)
- They didn't. The term redirects to Canberra#By plane. Perhaps that airport is on the cusp. You might see what User:SHB2000 thinks. He's an Australian who's done a lot of work on the Canberra article. Ikan Kekek (talk) 05:48, 4 December 2022 (UTC)
- I noticed your article creations earlier today, though I waited a bit to respond. TL;DR: I agree with Ikan Kekek that these airports are neither large nor complex. My 2 cents on all the airports listed:
- I haven't been to Nadi, but I'm undecided whether I should visit Fiji, South Island, or the Red Centre next autumn, but while I was deciding, I did a bit of research on Nadi – it's not an airport that's used for layovers. To me, Darwin Int'l Airport seems much more worthy of an article than Nadi because it is used for layovers by travellers from the eastern states when travelling to Timor-Leste. I asked a friend an hour ago who's been to Nadi about what the airport looks like, and they said the airport was tiny.
- Newcastle – no way. This airport isn't even used by locals from Newcastle, and most travellers don't directly fly to Newcastle. From what I know, most travellers fly to Sydney, and then either take the 2-hour train or use the Pacific Motorway/Sydney–Newcastle Freeway. Before you create an article for Illawarra Airport, I'm near-certain the same can be said for Wollongong, too (Mx. Granger, any thoughts on this?).
- Canberra – when I last made a major overhaul to Canberra/Airport and East, the only international flights to the airport were from Doha (iirc, the flights from Singapore and Wellington were on-hold), and the airport is only really used by government officials. All listings that would ideally be in the airport article are already listed in Canberra/Airport and East#In the airport – why make things needlessly complex?
- Honolulu – no comment on that, as I haven't been to Hawaii yet.
- Adelaide is probably the only airport that could merit an article (excl. HNL, which I can't comment about), and that's only by just a slight margin. I've only flown into Adelaide once (the rest of my visits to the city were all road trips), but it does receive a decent amount of international flights, though many stop at Perth or Melbourne along the way. In fact, if Keflavík International Airport did not exist, I would not consider Adelaide Airport to be noteworthy enough for an article.
- So that sums it up. Most of what you propose are not complex and/or large enough to merit their own articles. Have a look at our other airport articles; most Oceanic airports already have an article, and the only two I'd even consider are Cairns (which you didn't mention) and Honolulu. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta) 07:20, 4 December 2022 (UTC)
- Since I was pinged – Shellharbour (Illawarra) Airport is a minor airport with very few passenger flights. It isn't remotely close to the size of airports that get their own articles on Wikivoyage. Airport articles are mainly useful for airports that are especially large or complex (so that there's a lot of information to cover for travellers) and/or often used for layovers (so that travellers may want information about the airport even if they're not visiting the city it serves). An airport like Shellharbour should usually be covered in the "Get in" section of the city it serves.
- I do think Honolulu Airport could use its own article, because it's reasonably large and a popular transfer hub. —Granger (talk · contribs) 18:33, 4 December 2022 (UTC)
- As someone who has lived in Adelaide before, I don't think Adelaide Airport should get its own article. It does receive some international flights, but it's only a medium-sized airport that is fairly easy to navigate, and a single terminal building that serves both domestic an international flights. In fact, there is only one baggage carousel for international arrivals, and they just usually close off a few gates to serve as a sterile waiting area for passengers who have cleared departure immigration whenever there are international flights scheduled to depart; at other times the international gates are used for domestic flights and freely accessible to the general public (in Australia, the general public is allowed airside all the way to the boarding gates for domestic flights, provided you are willing to clear airport security). Not many people use Adelaide to connect between flights, and the only people that do so are those headed to/from rural South Australia. Most of the time, you will need to connect through Sydney, Melbourne or Perth to get to Adelaide from other countries. The dog2 (talk) 22:19, 16 December 2022 (UTC)
- I noticed your article creations earlier today, though I waited a bit to respond. TL;DR: I agree with Ikan Kekek that these airports are neither large nor complex. My 2 cents on all the airports listed:
- They didn't. The term redirects to Canberra#By plane. Perhaps that airport is on the cusp. You might see what User:SHB2000 thinks. He's an Australian who's done a lot of work on the Canberra article. Ikan Kekek (talk) 05:48, 4 December 2022 (UTC)
- Okay. P.S: someone already made Canberra Airport. Whatsuptravellers (talk) 05:25, 4 December 2022 (UTC)
- I don't agree that Adelaide, Newcastle or Canberra are likely to be large and complex enough. You should please start a discussion at Wikivoyage talk:Airport Expedition, stating which airports you would like to start articles for, and wait for a consensus to either agree or disagree before you start more of them. Ikan Kekek (talk) 05:17, 4 December 2022 (UTC)
- I'll list a few. Thanks for giving me the criteria. I'll read it and then decide what airports I can make articles about. I have Adelaide, Honolulu and Newcastle in mind, maybe Canberra too, for my next ones. They should be large enough. As for Nadi, it's a large airport for a Pacific Island country. Having been there, yes, there are a fair few shops and restaurants, plus at least one hotel. Whatsuptravellers (talk) 03:30, 4 December 2022 (UTC)
- OK, fair enough. But please read the link I gave you: Wikivoyage:Airport Expedition#Article criteria. Is Nadi Airport huge, complex and full of lots of restaurants, bars and shops? About how many listings in total in the Eat, Drink, Buy and Sleep sections do you expect there to be? Ikan Kekek (talk) 03:25, 4 December 2022 (UTC)