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Tech News: 2024-18[edit]
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- The appearance of talk pages changed for the following wikis: Azerbaijani Wikipedia, Bengali Wikipedia, German Wikipedia, Persian Wikipedia, Hebrew Wikipedia, Hindi Wikipedia, Indonesian Wikipedia, Korean Wikipedia, Dutch Wikipedia, Portuguese Wikipedia, Romanian Wikipedia, Thai Wikipedia, Turkish Wikipedia, Ukrainian Wikipedia, Vietnamese Wikipedia. These wikis participated to a test, where 50% of users got the new design, for one year. As this test gave positive results, the new design is deployed on these wikis as the default design. It is possible to opt-out these changes in user preferences ("Show discussion activity"). The deployment will happen at all wikis in the coming weeks. [1]
- Seven new wikis have been created:
- You can now watch message groups/projects on Translatewiki.net. Initially, this feature will notify you of added or deleted messages in these groups. [9]
- Dark mode is now available on all wikis, on mobile web for logged-in users who opt into the advanced mode. This is the early release of the feature. Technical editors are invited to check for accessibility issues on wikis. See more detailed guidelines.
Problems
- Kartographer maps can use an alternative visual style without labels, by using
mapstyle="osm"
. This wasn't working in previews, creating the wrong impression that it wasn't supported. This has now been fixed. [10]
Changes later this week
- The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 30 April. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 1 May. It will be on all wikis from 2 May (calendar). [11][12]
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French national parks[edit]
Thanks for creating articles on French national parks. However, I notice that several of them (by you or others) were marked as usable, although they lacked info on fees and permits and on getting around, and had no advice on getting in other than by private vehicle (mostly just mentioning what roads lead there).
In some other park articles:
- "As always with National or Regional Parks in France, there are no entrance fees, and in fact the entrance itself will not be easily located along the road. Only a small signpost generally marks it."
- "Permits can be found at the park administration website." – the link is to the department website, where I didn't find any mention of permits for the park, but my French is lacking, so something could be hiding there.
- "As with all other French national parks, going off a marked road or travel via your vehicle is prohibited in order to preserve the landscape."
- "The code of conduct, Code de Bonne Conduite, can be obtained at the tourist office" – might that be true also for other parks? Is there a general Code de Bonne Conduite covering them all?
If the fees and permits are mostly uniform across all parks, they could be handled in one place, linked from the park articles. I still assume that there are local peculiarities, and without checking for those we shouldn't think an article is usable.
Getting in by bus should be covered and, if bikes are mentioned, some characterisation of the entry route from the perspective of bikers. Also, if one cannot reach the sights by car/bus/bike, that should be mentioned either in Get around or the individual listings, with directions ("a 5-km hike along a marked trail from [bus stop]" or the like). Also, the Camping and Backcountry sections are mostly empty. Are there usually camping sites? Is backcountry camping allowed? I assume you should stay on marked trails, but whether or not should be covered.
–LPfi (talk) 10:29, 30 April 2024 (UTC)
- Agreed regarding the Fees and permits – I will slowly add them once I get the motivation to do so. About the accommodation, it isn't required for usable articles to have all of those filled in – only a minimum of one listing is required per Wikivoyage:Park article status (that page isn't clear, but it's naturally assumed from Wikivoyage:City article status – otherwise we'd be demoting hundreds of park articles if this weren't the case). --SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta) 10:57, 30 April 2024 (UTC)
- Anyway, I won't be very active on this site next month (draining in uni work :-(), but I'll try to slowly fix them. --SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta) 11:51, 30 April 2024 (UTC)
- No problem, this is long-term work and I just happened to notice that you had created some of them. Get around isn't needed for usable, but I think it should be there for high-quality usable articles, which should be aimed for. For Sleep, I think "information on accommodation" means general information rather than one listing.
- For a Finnish national park, saying that there are wilderness huts mostly as needed along the marked or otherwise popular routes is much more useful than creating a listing for one of them – which I would think of as gaming the system.
- If you can access most sites by car and there's a car-accessible lodging, that might suffice, but if you are supposed to do overnight hikes in other parts of the park, then it is woefully inadequate. Most of those park articles don't tell.
- Good luck with the uni!
- –LPfi (talk) 12:11, 30 April 2024 (UTC)
- Thank you! I do agree we should aim for high-quality usable articles overall (and it's great that the number of high-quality usable substantially higher than it was in 2013 thanks to people like you). --SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta) 12:24, 30 April 2024 (UTC)
- Anyway, I won't be very active on this site next month (draining in uni work :-(), but I'll try to slowly fix them. --SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta) 11:51, 30 April 2024 (UTC)
Reminder to vote now to select members of the first U4C[edit]
- You can find this message translated into additional languages on Meta-wiki. Please help translate to your language
Dear Wikimedian,
You are receiving this message because you previously participated in the UCoC process.
This is a reminder that the voting period for the Universal Code of Conduct Coordinating Committee (U4C) ends on May 9, 2024. Read the information on the voting page on Meta-wiki to learn more about voting and voter eligibility.
The Universal Code of Conduct Coordinating Committee (U4C) is a global group dedicated to providing an equitable and consistent implementation of the UCoC. Community members were invited to submit their applications for the U4C. For more information and the responsibilities of the U4C, please review the U4C Charter.
Please share this message with members of your community so they can participate as well.
On behalf of the UCoC project team,
RamzyM (WMF) 23:10, 2 May 2024 (UTC)
Green card[edit]
@SHB2000, i won a green card. Lionel Cristiano (talk) 19:20, 4 May 2024 (UTC)
- wait, what's a green card? To me, it's synonymous with a permanent residency card. (I'm genuinely confused haha) --SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta) 22:42, 4 May 2024 (UTC)
- Yes, a U.S. permanent residency card. Congratulations, Lionel! Ikan Kekek (talk) 23:39, 4 May 2024 (UTC)
- Oh, righty. I second Ikan; congratulations! --SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta) 00:36, 5 May 2024 (UTC)
- Yes, a U.S. permanent residency card. Congratulations, Lionel! Ikan Kekek (talk) 23:39, 4 May 2024 (UTC)
Gender in the UCOC[edit]
Hi SHB2000, I've seen this section of the m:UCOC mentioned a few times here, and since it's off-topic for the Talk:Buddhism page where you were talking about this with @Ikan Kekek and @Pashley (apologies to anyone I've forgotten), I thought I'd borrow your talk page. Here's what it says:
Respect the way that contributors name and describe themselves. People may use specific terms to describe themselves. As a sign of respect, use these terms when communicating with or about these people, where linguistically or technically feasible. Examples include: [....]
- People who identify with a certain sexual orientation or gender identity using distinct names or pronouns;
What this means is:
- If someone directly tells you "I'm a man", then you should not show disrespect for that person by saying he's lying or by directly calling that person a woman.
What this does not mean is:
- If you accidentally guess wrong, don't see a gender disclosed, forgot that the person previously said what their gender is, didn't take the time check the userpage first to see whether a gender is disclosed, etc., then doing your best (e.g., guessing from the username) is either bad or sanctionable.
They're trying to stop the kinds of exchanges that sound like:
- "Actually, I'm a woman" – "No, you aren't, and I'm going to keep calling you he because I know you're a man", and
- "Actually, I'm trans" – "Our community doesn't accept people like you".
People living in western democracies may find it hard to believe, but pre-UCOC, we actually had at least one Wikipedia that banned gay editors in their policies. Disclosing on your user page was a blockable offense there, even if you never touched a related article.
The main thing to remember is that the UCOC isn't concerned with the kinds of mistakes that all humans make occasionally. That policy is primarily concerned with deliberately malicious behavior. WhatamIdoing (talk) 19:38, 5 May 2024 (UTC)
- Oh, I see; that makes sense, WhatamIdoing. I'm actually quite shocked with the Wikipedia policy, but even the western world 15–20 years ago was a very different place than it is today. --SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta) 21:26, 5 May 2024 (UTC)
- Actually, I'm not surprised, thinking about it. swwiki recently blocked a user for reporting an admin's anti-queer style of editing. --SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta) 03:32, 6 May 2024 (UTC)
- It is shocking from our perspective, but as you say, it's not entirely surprising, after you think about it for a bit. If memory serves, that Wikipedia was for a language primarily spoken in a developing country where gay relationships are criminalized. If you want your language's Wikipedia to be respected (especially by teachers or others who might be sensitive to child safety issues), then someone might think it was a good idea to set up a policy to exclude those "criminals". Creating a global rule against this actually relieves some local groups from pressure. (The English Wikipedia is fond of saying that nobody asked for it, but multiple affiliates actually did ask for the UCOC, and enwiki says that about everything, even if you give them evidence of the request being made at enwiki's own Village pump as a community-initiated, CENT-listed RFC. Such claims are basically always wrong, and really mean "The individual complaining about this did not personally ask for it".) Now the affiliates can tell their local politicians and pressure groups "Sorry, I know about our anti-gay laws, and we're all very patriotic here, but Wikipedia is run by a US organization that requires non-discrimination, so there's just nothing we can do about it". WhatamIdoing (talk) 06:41, 6 May 2024 (UTC)
- Figures out – I guess it really does put you in a difficult position if you lived in a country with anti-homosexuality laws, and I say this as someone who's ace, but at least the UCoC helps alleviate this issue. (also agreed on the enwiki bit – enwiki really likes to act as if it were in its own WMF world at times) --SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta) 06:49, 6 May 2024 (UTC)
- It is shocking from our perspective, but as you say, it's not entirely surprising, after you think about it for a bit. If memory serves, that Wikipedia was for a language primarily spoken in a developing country where gay relationships are criminalized. If you want your language's Wikipedia to be respected (especially by teachers or others who might be sensitive to child safety issues), then someone might think it was a good idea to set up a policy to exclude those "criminals". Creating a global rule against this actually relieves some local groups from pressure. (The English Wikipedia is fond of saying that nobody asked for it, but multiple affiliates actually did ask for the UCOC, and enwiki says that about everything, even if you give them evidence of the request being made at enwiki's own Village pump as a community-initiated, CENT-listed RFC. Such claims are basically always wrong, and really mean "The individual complaining about this did not personally ask for it".) Now the affiliates can tell their local politicians and pressure groups "Sorry, I know about our anti-gay laws, and we're all very patriotic here, but Wikipedia is run by a US organization that requires non-discrimination, so there's just nothing we can do about it". WhatamIdoing (talk) 06:41, 6 May 2024 (UTC)
- Actually, I'm not surprised, thinking about it. swwiki recently blocked a user for reporting an admin's anti-queer style of editing. --SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta) 03:32, 6 May 2024 (UTC)
Tech News: 2024-19[edit]
Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.
Recent changes
- The appearance of talk pages changed for all wikis, except for Commons, Wikidata and most Wikipedias (a few have already received this design change). You can read the detail of the changes on Diff. It is possible to opt-out these changes in user preferences ("Show discussion activity"). The deployment will happen at remaining wikis in the coming weeks. [13][14]
- Interface admins now have greater control over the styling of article components on mobile with the introduction of the
SiteAdminHelper
. More information on how styles can be disabled can be found at the extension's page. [15] - Wikimedia Enterprise has added article body sections in JSON format and a curated short description field to the existing parsed Infobox. This expansion to the API is also available via Wikimedia Cloud Services. [16]
Changes later this week
- The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 7 May. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 8 May. It will be on all wikis from 9 May (calendar). [17][18]
- When you look at the Special:Log page, the first view is labelled "All public logs", but it only shows some logs. This label will now say "Main public logs". [19]
Future changes
- A new service will be built to replace Extension:Graph. Details can be found in the latest update regarding this extension.
- Starting May 21, English Wikipedia and German Wikipedia will get the possibility to activate "Add a link". This is part of the progressive deployment of this tool to all Wikipedias. These communities can activate and configure the feature locally. [20]
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This Month in GLAM: April 2024[edit]
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Tech News: 2024-20[edit]
Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.
Recent changes
- On Wikisource there is a special page listing pages of works without corresponding scan images. Now you can use the new magic word
__EXPECTWITHOUTSCANS__
to exclude certain pages (list of editions or translations of works) from that list. [21] - If you use the user-preference "Show preview without reloading the page", then the template-page feature "Preview page with this template" will now also work without reloading the page. [22]
- Kartographer maps can now specify an alternative text via the
alt=
attribute. This is identical in usage to thealt=
attribute in the image and gallery syntax. An exception for this feature is wikis like Wikivoyage where the miniature maps are interactive. [23] - The old Guided Tour for the "New Filters for Edit Review" feature has been removed. It was created in 2017 to show people with older accounts how the interface had changed, and has now been seen by most of the intended people. [24]
Changes later this week
- The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 14 May. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 15 May. It will be on all wikis from 16 May (calendar). [25][26]
- The Special:Search results page will now use CSS flex attributes, for better accessibility, instead of a table. If you have a gadget or script that adjusts search results, you should update your script to the new HTML structure. [27]
Future changes
- In the Vector 2022 skin, main pages will be displayed at full width (like special pages). The goal is to keep the number of characters per line large enough. This is related to the coming changes to typography in Vector 2022. Learn more. [28]
- Two columns of the
pagelinks
database table (pl_namespace
andpl_title
) are being dropped soon. Users must use two columns of the newlinktarget
table instead (lt_namespace
andlt_title
). In your existing SQL queries:- Replace
JOIN pagelinks
withJOIN linktarget
andpl_
withlt_
in theON
statement - Below that add
JOIN pagelinks ON lt_id = pl_target_id
- See phab:T222224 for technical reasoning. [29][30]
- Replace
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This Month in Education: April 2024[edit]
This Month in Education
Volume 13 • Issue 4 • April 2024