Talk:Los Angeles/Northwest

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The term Eastside is innappropriate for the areas mentioned; the Eastside is on the east of the LA River, otherwise known as East LA. —The preceding comment was added by (talkcontribs) 02:47, 13 December 2006‎

Can you suggest something more appropriate? I called it this to make it easy, since there's LA/West for the Westside... indeed the West is commonly known as the Westside, and the East maybe not so much, but actual East LA is probably of little interest to tourists, maybe I'm wrong, but I think it would be a long while before someone creates a travel guide for that area. (WT-en) Cacahuate 01:12, 13 December 2006 (EST)
P.S., I live in the MacArthur Park area, and I would definitely say that I live on the "Eastside" in conversation with people... unless a better name is proposed I say we leave this page where it is, and when the time comes we can create Los Angeles/East LA - there's room for both... (WT-en) Cacahuate 01:17, 13 December 2006 (EST)
I am not from LA but have witnessed this discussion elsewhere and I agree based on my knowledge of LA that Eastside is misleading (since there is an East LA). I think this section could simply be called Silverlake, Los Feliz & environs, or something like that. South of Griffith Park maybe? East/Central LA? East of Hollywood? —The preceding comment was added by (WT-en) Lyrae (talkcontribs)
Of those, I like East of Hollywood best, but I still don't think it's better than the current name. I do see your point, but I just don't think it's all that confusing... and the intro to the article makes it pretty clear what area it's covering – (WT-en) cacahuate talk 23:52, 16 May 2007 (EDT)
As the term "Eastside" in reference to these areas is controversial and ethnically charged (and in fact originated as an ethnically charged term, referring to Los Feliz and Silver Lake as the farthest east of any areas in Los Angeles with a significant non-Latino white population in the early 1990s), it's best avoided. However, as a compromise, how about "Northeast", which is the name of the LAPD division that serves Los Feliz, Silver Lake, Echo Park, Atwater Village, Highland Park, etc. and thus does have officially recognized connotations? (I realize that parts of the area covered fall under the jurisdiction of the LAPD's Rampart and Wilshire divisions, but the overwhelming majority is in Northeast). 17:00, 27 June 2007 (EDT)

I support keeping the term "Eastside". Even though the geographical boundaries of both the Westside and the Eastside have shifted steadily westward in the last few decades, we have to recognize that both residents of "Eastside" communities (including Westlake, Echo Park, Silver Lake, Los Feliz, etc.) and residents of other LA communities tend to agree that the Eastside is basically anything east of Vermont Avenue (and sometimes even a little bit west of Vermont), including Downtown LA. There's no need to invent foreign terms for this area. --(WT-en) SameerKhan 08:22, 6 July 2007 (EDT)

So does that mean that it's OK to use ethnically and racially charged names for other areas of Los Angeles and other cities on Wikivoyage? SameerKhan, would you be into giving South Central/South LA some racial/ethnic term on Wikivoyage as well (perhaps even involving the "n-word"), or other parts of LA. There's no need to use racially/ethnically charged names here. At least Northeast has some official use. 15:22, 20 July 2007 (EDT)
Yes, following the obviously ethnically-motivated example of a name like "Eastside" it's clear that we should strive for the most offensive names possible, including your example of "n-word" names. We already have other racially charged article names that use some version of "Northeast", "South", etc, so clearly we're fast approaching the goal of being the most offensive travel site possible.
Sarcasm aside, if anyone has an alternative name for this article please suggest it and explain why it's more appropriate, but implying that editors here had racial motivation for naming an article something like "Eastside", or even that such a name has racial undertones, is an argument that's offensive to the contributors and unlikely to be taken seriously. I live in LA, and east side and west side are common terms, and if you look at a map (especially the symbol that looks like a compass) it's pretty easy to figure out why. -- (WT-en) Ryan • (talk) • 16:00, 20 July 2007 (EDT)
"Northeast" is appropriate, given its official use as the name of an LAPD division which happens to cover the areas in question. [1]. I'm from L.A. originally and the term "Eastside" was NEVER used in regards to Los Feliz, Silver Lake, or Echo Park until the early 1990s - and then in reference to Los Feliz (which has had a white non-Latino majority throughout its existence unlike neighboring areas) and Silver Lake as being the "east side" of "white L.A.". If you look at a map, East L.A. is the East Side. Now, if this site was covering Boyle Heights, El Sereno, and Lincoln Heights, then the name "Eastside" would be appropriate ; however those are areas that don't have much of interest to tourists (there are actually a few interesting places in Boyle Heights but safety is a definite problem). As it is right now, the article is one step away from an article about South Central/South L.A. using the "n-word" or an article about West L.A. using anti-semitic terms. —The preceding comment was added by (talkcontribs) 16:24, 15 August 2007‎

The reason we can't figure out a blanket term for this region is that it is not, by any means, a region. MacArthur Park, Pico-Union, and other neighborhoods south of the 101 are very different from Silverlake or Los Feliz (or even Echo Park), and there's no reason they're discussed in the same article. I think the parts of this article relating to neighborhoods south of the 101 to Melrose should be linked up with Koreatown and other neighborhoods that might be described as mid-Wilshire or midtown/mid-City into some larger West of Downtown article, while everything else should become part of an article called Greater Silverlake or something along those lines. Opinions? (WT-en) Kawkabalsharq 19:36, 24 February 2008 (EST)

Agreed, as a Los Angeles native, that "Northeast" should be used to describe this area. The only people I have ever heard refer to Silverlake or Los Feliz as the "Eastside", are folks from West LA who never go east of Fairfax anyway. "Eastside", as previously mentioned, pretty much always means "East LA", the area east of the LA River. The only exception I can think of is if you're talking about Long Beach.~D —The preceding comment was added by (talkcontribs) 17:11, 26 February 2008‎

Changed Definition of East L.A.[edit]

It's not my prerogative to enter the "Eastside" debate, but Eagle Rock and Highland Park aren't "East L.A." by even wikivoyage's own admission. The "Eastside" page links to at least one restaurant in Eagle Rock. I've replaced the description of the dividing line as the I-5 to the Los Angeles River, and edited the neighborhoods of East L.A. to include Lincoln Heights, El Sereno, and Boyle Heights.--(WT-en) Guero57 19:36, 17 May 2010 (EDT)guero57

This section needs to be changed to Central Los Angeles[edit]

This is completely wrong being called the Eastside. East LA is an unincorporated part of LA County, Boyle Heights and Lincoln Heights next to it are not East LA. A cursory reading of local history and local usage will show you that this fake and new "Eastside" term is just wrong, used only by recent transplants to this city, and will confuse travelers. Consider going with the categories our local paper thinks are accurate: —The preceding comment was added by (talkcontribs) 04:51, 8 July 2011‎