User talk:(WT-en) Relaxingjourneys

Welcome

Hello! Welcome to Wikivoyage. Please take a sec to look at our copyleft and policies and guidelines, but feel free to plunge forward and edit some pages. Scanning the Manual of style, especially the article templates, can give you a good idea of how we like articles formatted. If you need help, check out Project:Help, and if you need some info not on there, post a message in the travellers' pub.

You added a number of links to your Web site on New Zealand tours. It's great to see travel professionals sharing information about places they know very well. I've rolled back most of your changes, though, and I wanted to let you know why.

In most places that you added them tour descriptions weren't appropriate; see Project:Where you can stick it for more information about where to put tours. You might also want to look at our external links guidelines. Finally, the promotional language doesn't mesh well with our style guidelines; see Project:don't tout for more info there.

I think if you add some more descriptions of the tours, with more data about places, times, cost, etc., it's more likely to stay in our travel guide. We don't have a lot of information about tours, but I think they could be formatted as attraction listings and work from there. Good luck and thanks for thinking of Wikivoyage. --(WT-en) Evan 18:18, 16 May 2006 (EDT)

Valid article topics

Thanks for your contributions of Eighteen Day Small Group Tour Covering Both Islands and Nine days in New Zealand's North Island, but please see Project:What is an article? for guidelines of what is a valid article topic. "Accommodation", "Auckland airport" and other subjects are not items we normally cover in separate articles. If you have any questions please feel free to discuss on Project:What is an article?. -- (WT-en) Ryan 21:19, 29 August 2006 (EDT)

Really?

I thought Auckland Airport woudl be a good link to create an article. Help travellers through the customs process, how to get from the airport to the city etc etc. Ill remove if you want. Can you also see my user page - is that OK. Let me know before I finish it all off. Cheers

I think Ryan's completely, right. These articles are on the verge of running contary to Project:Don't tout, since Wikivoyage isn't a billboard for businesses. We have a North Island (New Zealand), guide which if you want to edit into the manual of style and add a listing under "Do" like this:

• Relaxing Journeys Ltd., Address, Phone: +61 03 1234-5678 (Email: whatever@relaxingjourneys.co.nz, Fax: +51 03 1234-5678), [1]. Offers tours of both New Zealand's main islands.

That kind of listing would be benefical to both your business and Wikivoyage. -- (WT-en) Andrew Haggard (Sapphire) 21:35, 29 August 2006 (EDT)

Thats fair enough, however Ive tried not to tout, although if someone is looking at NZ itineraires, their logical next step, I thought, was to try and find somehwere to book a tour? We have a lot of itineraries so I thought they could be used as a base & would be a good starting point for others to contribute. They have been researched and they are there for the traveller! Also is it against Wiki to tout on my userpage? Im not sure of the rules. Have a look, please.

It's a fine line for us between being a good travel guide that presents useful information (and your service IS useful) and not becoming a link farm. The problem is that the links you've added to your site in the itineraries could later be replaced by a competing guide service, and it's tough to figure out who SHOULD be there, so our external links policy says that we only link to primary sites, where a "primary site" is the official site of a hotel, restaurant, etc. Your guide company is a valid listing under a "Do" heading for places you guide to in New Zealand, and your website is then a valid primary link to your company since there is only one relaxjourneys website. You could probably also include a section in your itinerary that lists guide services, and a listing to your service (as shown in Andrew's example) would then most likely be OK as well.

Your user page looks fine to me - see Project:User page help for guidelines, but a quick summary is that unless a user page has information that is illegal, hateful, or becomes someone's personal homepage we pretty much leave it alone.

Last of all, please do read Project:What is an article? to better understand why an airport or a body of water might not be given its own article. That's another fine line, but the guideline has been developed over the past couple of years and seems to serve us well. Thanks again for contributing, and sorry to make this a somewhat rocky introduction! -- (WT-en) Ryan 21:57, 29 August 2006 (EDT)

I think we all tout a little on our user pages and I, personally, don't have a problem with yours. Thanks for the work you've put in. -- Andrew Haggard

I'm not sure what your user page looked like when Andrew Haggard posted that undated message above, but your user page today was a long advertisement, and per don't tout, you cannot post that anywhere on the site, including your user page. What I left up, as it is, is pretty touty. What would really be preferable would be a merely descriptive summary of who you are and what you do, with no sales job but a link to your website for anyone who wants to know more. I hope you understand, and if you don't, please read don't tout. The policies there are binding on everyone who uses this site, without exception.

All the best,

(WT-en) Ikan Kekek 23:41, 21 March 2012 (EDT)