User talk:(WT-en) Sstoesser

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Location of the hotels are rarely very relavant when you give an address, most travellers would much rather like to know prices ranges (we usually give this for a standard double room for hotels), check in/out times, if the reception is 24 hours, is the any amenities in the rooms you don't find in your ordinary hotel etc. There is a in debt description of our preferences here: Project:Accommodation listings in particular check out the Eldorado Hotel example, but please don't make it sound like an ad brochure yeah?

And we would appreciate when you start new guides, you did something more than just add the hotel. a brief introduction and 'get in' description would be nice for starters. --(WT-en) Stefan (sertmann) ^Talk 16:37, 7 July 2009 (EDT)

In response to your question: First, promoting your business across large numbers of articles is spamming, so this is more a matter of how to spam in a productive manner (i.e., a manner that doesn't just result in everyone wasting time with reversions). Second, we know that your prices fluctuate—this we use price ranges, or at least a price bottom (not including discounted rates...) like "from $110." Third, you have to add the hotels to the price-sort categories of budget/mid-range/splurge—it's just not ok to leave them unsorted (alphabetical order applies too). Above all, though, we are not looking to have a comprehensive yellow pages here, so adding your hotel to a long worthless list of hotels is not useful, and is likely to be reverted.

A good example, I think, of a well-formatted and useful sleep section is here. This list is not quite as good, but it contains more boring chain hotels, so it might be a better template for you. --(WT-en) Peter ^Talk 16:54, 7 July 2009 (EDT)

Another note (I'd really like to come to an understanding where all this wasted time would not be necessary): if an article already has a long list of hotels, make sure that your hotel listing is of superior quality to the rest. Otherwise, it will likely be removed. --(WT-en) Peter ^Talk 17:23, 7 July 2009 (EDT)

You do realize that your additions are being removed as soon as you put them in right? if you are going to spend the time, at least do it right, right now you're not only wasting our time, but also your own - you're on the patrol list, so there is nowhere to hide ;o) --(WT-en) Stefan (sertmann) ^Talk 17:34, 7 July 2009 (EDT)

Is there any chance I could speak with your supervisor? I know that's a brash request, but I think we would all benefit from some kind of dialogue. We at Wikivoyage have gotten pretty good now at catching and reverting contributions by hotel spammers, but this is not a net positive situation for Wikivoyage or your company—it wastes our administrators' time, and your own, and I've even started removing Marriott hotels from the site prejudicially.

There is a way for us both to profit from Marriott involvement, but it will require dialogue. You could email me the contact details privately by clicking special:emailuser/Peterfitzgerald. --(WT-en) Peter ^Talk 17:41, 7 July 2009 (EDT)

Heh, although I may be a former U.S. Senator, I'm definitely not going to post my phone number here. Is there any way we could do this via email? It would be a better format anyway, since I could give her some useful guidelines in bullet points that she could distribute to those working on Wikivoyage. --(WT-en) Peter ^Talk 18:36, 7 July 2009 (EDT)

Yes, they look a lot better today. Just remember not to overdo the "hotel is close to X" bit, and to sort listings alphabetically. Having the price ranges is really key—even on long lists, those will make it more likely that I'll delete other listings when pruning. Thanks! --(WT-en) Peter ^Talk 12:33, 8 July 2009 (EDT)

Also, when creating a new page, make sure to click one of the links at the top of the edit window (usually the "small city" link) to add an article template. If you create a page with only a sleep listing, that's very likely to be deleted. --(WT-en) Peter ^Talk 12:36, 8 July 2009 (EDT)

Hmm, I think you're starting to slip into promotional language again. Take a look at this edit [1] to see what I mean. --(WT-en) Peter ^Talk 12:55, 8 July 2009 (EDT)

Hey Sarah, please remember to include the "http://" in the url—the links will not work otherwise. --(WT-en) Peter ^Talk 16:50, 8 July 2009 (EDT)

Ok, will do!

Hey Sarah. I've reverted a few of the additions you did today, but left all of those where you at least included a price range. Brief, non commercial, descriptions would still be nice. But, well, any progress is good progress. --(WT-en) Stefan (sertmann) ^Talk 16:38, 21 July 2009 (EDT)