User talk:82.121.185.16

Hi, if you have an issue with policy could you please discuss it at Talk:Paris? Also, blanking the article because you didn't get your way is not only immature and encourages others not to support your point of view, but it is futile since I have single-click rollback so it takes me like two seconds to your twenty. -- (WT-en) Colin 16:33, 29 December 2006 (EST)

i leave a positive comment on Talk:Paris , your choice is a war editor , i don't mind , this can stay 3 or 99 years if you want i wan't let you delete this without agreement of community

I can't find your comment. Can you try again please? Also, you've been reverted by five different people, so it's pretty clear where the community is heading with this unless you try harder to explain your reasoning and try to get people to agree with you. -- (WT-en) Colin 17:14, 29 December 2006 (EST)

Could you please stop and discuss this issue. We will discuss it, but what is happening now needs to stop. --(WT-en) Tom Holland (xltel) 17:16, 29 December 2006 (EST)

As i said previously i perfectly agree to discuss about this , but i don't think we have now ways to an agreement

Could you please at least write down your reasons somewhere so that we can try dialog? -- (WT-en) Colin 17:19, 29 December 2006 (EST)

I allready done it on talk paris , but it seems for any reason i don't save these comments. Main thing was i don't really see more than 1 may be 2 links which are not in agreement whith guidelines and don't belong to the article. You delete caritative links whithout any reason. And that's why i will fight forever

Uh, instead of fighting forever, how about working really hard on a solution? You're sort of setting yourself up against all of us here. Instead of a you-against-us approach, lets look at this from a traveller's perspective. As you say, your comments were not saved, so lets back up to there. What content, exactly, would you like to see in the guide and how does it fit in with our goals and policies? (WT-en) Maj 17:28, 29 December 2006 (EST)

I don't know what happened to your contributions to Talk:Paris, but they are not in the history for that page.

Check out Project:Accommodation listings for the guidelines on when to list an apartment agency -- and if you disagree with the guidelines please do discuss it at Project:Accommodation listings. The idea is that if you have links which are against policy, you need to get the policy changed first, and then add the links back into Paris.

As to why the links don't match current policy, basically you need to have an address within Paris on any rental agency link that will be acceptible. We don't list sites which contain directories of hotels or any other kind of directory (see Project:External links for the details of that), but we do link actual agencies which are located within the city where you can go and pick up the keys. If one of the deleted agencies does have a physical location, please add the address of the location when re-adding the agency and we will keep it. -- (WT-en) Colin 17:30, 29 December 2006 (EST)

This sound more acceptable, you begin by deleting all this part of article. So which links are not in agreement with this policy ? And i read this Project:External links

Yes, originally I deleted the whole thing, but that was a mistake on my part. Instead, we need to delete any links which do not have a street address in Paris. If you want to save any of them from being deleted, please add a street address. -- (WT-en) Colin 17:42, 29 December 2006 (EST)

Sure a mistake of you and then i must look for all adresses , obviously they are all in Paris , do the job yourself please , you begin the job , finish it

Cyberrentals is on my hit list and obviously doesn't have an address. Some of the others are pretty obvious from their urls that they do not have an office. So if you care about them, save them. On the other hand, if you think there's just one or two which need research, say which ones and I'll do the checking for you. -- (WT-en) Colin 18:09, 29 December 2006 (EST)

Okay, I checked. Not one of them has a physical address.... except the one which is B&B outside of Paris. So they all must go unless you lobby to get the policy changed at Project:Accommodation listings. -- (WT-en) Colin 18:17, 29 December 2006 (EST)

Ok i must check too : - The one outside paris is in Paris area and if you know Paris it means same thing than Paris, keep it - http://www.allo-logement-temporaire.asso.fr/ is a caritative one in Paris, don't delete it - http://www.apartmentsapart.com/paris_hotels/index.htm seems dubious, ok for delete - http://www.apartments-in-paris.com/ is in Paris i don't see good reason to delete it , unless it's a business and directory , but it's in Paris and offers rentals in Paris - http://www.homeaway.com/France-Rentals/Paris-Vacation-Rentals.htm ok delete it seems just international business -http://www.cyberrentals.com/France/Paris-area/r252.htm copy of the previous : same thing delete is ok for me - http://www.paris-apartments-for-rent.com/ : seems parisian business , keep that too even if too much ' coming soon pages' i don't really mind in fact - http://www.mapstars.com/extern/map-hotels-paris-parijs : don't seems parisian but no ads , good help for travellers, no idea - http://www.travellersdream.com/town/Paris.php same than previous

For the last 2 , there is a lot of sites like these but why not keep them ? follow policy

Policy says they must have a physical address. Policy says they must all be deleted unless someone can come up with an address. If you disagree with policy, please go to Project:Accommodation listings and propose a change that you think would be helpful and see if you can gain consensus about it. -- (WT-en) Colin 18:40, 29 December 2006 (EST)

Also, "caritive" is not an English word. I think you are referring to profit. We treat businesses and non-profit organizations equally. If you think this policy should be changed, you might try discussing it in the pub. -- (WT-en) Colin 18:45, 29 December 2006 (EST)

"Caritative" means non profit org yes You have adress for this one , you have adress for the b&b outside paris ( paris area => paris for a parisian ) , you have adress for france lodge for the others ok i don't find their physical adress even if i think ore or 2 more must stay. Now if you delete all ok , then I will do what I think is good, community is not you. You don't have any clue about Paris and what is good for travellers in Paris.

And if 'your' community is all about saving your rights as an 'known' editor i will fight against your community. Really sorry to say that but you show a great talent to explain how you community looks. DELETE, and then explain to go to PUB to discuss policy... i won't go in your pub.

Dude, I was leaving "caritive" entry and the "france lodge" one alone exactly because they do have addresses. And again, we have policies that we have set up as a community. Do not violate them without discussing it with the community first -- you don't have to convince me of anything, but you do have to convince the community. And if you think you can just "do what's right regardless", you should learn how a wiki works and understand that you can be blocked. The commuinity generally chooses not to because they want to see things discussed instead.

In the meantime, it appears that you finally understand that the items being removed are the ones with no addresses, I will now revert to eliminate them. -- (WT-en) Colin 20:11, 29 December 2006 (EST)