Wikivoyage:User ban nominations

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User bans are put into practical effect by using a Mediawiki software feature to block edits to any page (except pages in that banned user's user talk namespace) by the banned user.

Add nominations for user blocks to the list below, but please do so only after reviewing Project:How to handle unwanted edits. After a nomination has been made, the nominator is responsible for ensuring that appropriate notice is given on the allegedly delinquent User's Talk page of the nomination made here.

In general the preferred way of handling problem users is through the use of soft security. In the case of automated spam attacks the Project:Spam filter can also be a valuable tool for stopping unwanted edits.

For a history of older nominations see Project:User ban nominations/Archive.

User:Sterlabot[edit]

Please watch this user. I strongly believe this is User:Turbo8000/User:NeoMaps. See revision history of Spanish phrasebook. Ikan Kekek (talk) 03:06, 19 November 2016 (UTC)

Agree with Ikan Kekek . They have been trying to delete their ban nomination a few times. I have placed a warning on their talk page to which I hope they respond positively towards. --Andrewssi2 (talk) 00:01, 21 November 2016 (UTC)
What's the delay? The user is reinstating the exact same edits that got User:NeoMaps banned in the first place. He's banned on Spanish Wikipedia, he's got a username that implies he's a bot, and he's edit-warring. It's clearly the same person, so why not just ban him now, and save yourselves the hassle of another battle? --ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 01:29, 21 November 2016 (UTC)
I strongly second the above. If we're talking block evasion, you instaban as soon as it becomes clear what you're dealing with. You don't waste time here. -- AndreCarrotflower (talk) 01:39, 21 November 2016 (UTC)
Yes Done -- AndreCarrotflower (talk) 01:40, 21 November 2016 (UTC)

User:ControlCorV[edit]

Is the best policy to ignore this individual and hope he/she will give up or to ban him/her as an obnoxious time-waster who came here with an ax to grind and has nothing to contribute to the site? In case you have yet to have the dubious pleasure of encountering this user, here are his/her contributions. Ikan Kekek (talk) 09:41, 26 November 2016 (UTC)

I do not understand why in this website any minor edition is controversial. Why not try to solve things like adult people on this website? --ControlCorV (talk) 09:58, 26 November 2016 (UTC)
I don't think we should resort to a user ban, but regular increasing blocks seem justified and enough if the unwanted behaviour doesn't change. I'm not at all convinced it's bad intentions we're seeing; the discussion on Talk:Colombia suggests to me that he/she is misreading the sentence that bothers him/her so much. I've explained one more time, so let's see what happens and simply react accordingly. JuliasTravels (talk) 16:13, 27 November 2016 (UTC)
I suspect this may be the same person as the other apparently nationalistically-motivated recent problem editor on Talk:Colombia. Was that user ever formally banned, and if so could this be construed as block evasion? -- AndreCarrotflower (talk) 17:46, 27 November 2016 (UTC)
Likely just a coincidence, but I think we've had more than usual of this type of edits/editors as of lately. ϒpsilon (talk) 17:53, 27 November 2016 (UTC)
I know we already have our WV:Be fair policy, but what about a new policy explicitly dealing with nationalist agendas? They do seem to have a tendency of creeping back in (they seem to have been much more common in the earliest days) Hobbitschuster (talk) 18:03, 27 November 2016 (UTC)
Except for working on the same article, I don't think there's much evidence of these being the same users (and language use and topics don't suggest it either). Nationalist agenda's is a strong word, and should be used sparingly. We have plenty of policies to deal with unwanted edits, nationalistic ones included. The tough part is to judge when they are appropriate to use. In this case, it's more likely simply a local who feels his/her country is being portrayed in an undeservedly negative way, due to language issues rather than any political agenda. At least, let's not jump to conclusions and assume good faith at first. JuliasTravels (talk) 22:00, 27 November 2016 (UTC)
It looks like things have died down, so I agree that there's no reason to act now. And perhaps JuliasTravels' last-ditch explanation did some good. Ikan Kekek (talk) 23:06, 27 November 2016 (UTC)

User:BrendanJohnWilliams2004[edit]

The user has been identified electronically as probably the Telstra vandal, and has been engaged with edit warring. Just letting the admins know, so you can do what is needed. --ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 13:13, 17 January 2017 (UTC)

Thanks for noting this. My own view is that because of the filter it is now easy to roll back this person's edits if they are not appropriate and so I wouldn't advocate a ban. I'm definitely not defending their conduct, but should also be said that the 'edit war' is rather on the benign side. --Andrewssi2 (talk) 21:21, 17 January 2017 (UTC)
Yeah, on the theory of "If you can't beat 'em, join 'em," maybe we should just police the edits and engage in permanent blocks of individual tentacles of this individual only when the edits are real abuses. Ikan Kekek (talk) 21:31, 17 January 2017 (UTC)
I'm also in favor of reverting and blocking as he pops up - he's low volume and easily manageable. The only caveat is that other editors need some awareness of what's going on so that we don't have to start debates about why an account was blocked or an edit was reverted - I sometimes do a mass revert as soon as I notice a problem edit, and a few people have undone those reverts with comments indicating that they disapproved of my action. -- Ryan • (talk) • 21:43, 17 January 2017 (UTC)
Yeah, that's, excuse the language, bullshit. People, please don't do that. Ikan Kekek (talk) 21:48, 17 January 2017 (UTC)
In my view, before we can begin considering doing anything other than staying the course (ie indefbanning on sight any new iteration of this user for reasons of block evasion, regardless of quality of edits) this user has to, at a minimum, respond to one of the talk page messages we keep leaving. We've repeatedly emphasized to this user that the doors are open for him or her to be accepted into the fold as a constructive contributor, but the onus is on him or her to be responsive to the concerns of the community first, before we reciprocate any rapprochement he or she might start on. Failing that, the question becomes: if all it takes to convince us to give up on enforcing policy is to keep antagonizing us for a long enough time, what meaning does policy have? -- AndreCarrotflower (talk) 21:52, 17 January 2017 (UTC)
Well, ultimately it's going to be up to you guys, as admins, to decide. But I have to ask; what's the problem with indefbanning the accounts as you find them? It doesn't take long, does it; it's just a click of a mouse. Why should we or any other user waste time policing and following this person around when it is in your power to just ban them? --ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 21:58, 17 January 2017 (UTC)
Precisely. -- AndreCarrotflower (talk) 22:06, 17 January 2017 (UTC)
It is more of pragmatism towards a user who has been doing these edits for many years, refuses to communicate and seemingly not cares if their edits are reverted. I understand the principled approach that a banned user should remain banned until their bahavior improves, just as long as we are clear that road will potentially last as long as the natural lifespan of this contributor. --Andrewssi2 (talk) 22:25, 17 January 2017 (UTC)
I think that's rather an oversimplification of the Telstra troll's behavior. It seems to me like this user is playing a long game. Their edits have slowly but definitively evolved in sync with our tactics at addressing the problem - first they made subtle changes to their edit pattern to avoid tripping the abuse filter, forcing us to cast a wider and wider net, then they began signing on from non-Telstra IPs from time to time, then most recently they began establishing user accounts (using predictable naming patterns) as a further way to sidestep the filter. I have no doubt that eventually they'll begin varying the pattern of usernames they use, and we'll have to change up our strategy yet again. However, the fact that the pattern of refusing to respond to talk page messages has remained consistent throughout all these phases says to me that this is in fact trolling, and not a good-faith editor who is merely extraordinarily stubborn, persistent, and slow on the uptake. Aside from ThunderingTyphoons' very well taken point that filtering good edits from bad ones adds an unnecessary extra layer of work for us admins, the fact remains that talk of backing down is harmful vis-à-vis this user's clearly unconstructive intentions for the site. Not to mention the fact that all of this is not happening in a bubble - though it might come off sounding like conspiracy theory to folks who haven't been in the trenches and seen it with their own eyes, one thing that's been very remarkable to me throughout my tenure as a Wikivoyage admin is how often you have a troll who watches and learns from other trolls (for example, the recently resurfaced SpendrupsForAll was pretty obviously a star student at the W. Frank Institute of Disruptive Editing), observing and then exploiting the weak points in admins' response. We go down a potentially dangerous road when we let our resolve flag. -- AndreCarrotflower (talk) 23:09, 17 January 2017 (UTC)
[Edit conflict] OK, I guess my pragmatic point of view would be this: No, we don't need to police his edits. However, any edit he makes that is clearly useful shouldn't be reverted. If we really want to keep playing Whack-a-Mole with his latest identity, fine, but we can see that as many times as he's banned, he will use another alias or IP address to continue editing. So it's kind of a no-win situation. Ikan Kekek (talk) 23:13, 17 January 2017 (UTC)
Andre, the thing is, W.Frank made a whole lot of useful edits, while the other guy you mentioned has made none, so no comparison in that respect. As for this Telstra guy, he's definitely a contrarian playing games, but aside from being a gadfly, I'm not sure just how harmful his intentions are. It seems to me that many of his edits are attempts at doing something he thinks is good. Ikan Kekek (talk) 23:16, 17 January 2017 (UTC)