Wikivoyage:User ban nominations

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User bans are put into practical effect by using a Mediawiki software feature to block edits to any page (except pages in that banned user's user talk namespace) by the banned user.

Add nominations for user blocks to the list below, but please do so only after reviewing Project:How to handle unwanted edits. After a nomination has been made, the nominator is responsible for ensuring that appropriate notice is given on the allegedly delinquent User's Talk page of the nomination made here.

In general the preferred way of handling problem users is through the use of soft security. In the case of automated spam attacks the Project:Spam filter can also be a valuable tool for stopping unwanted edits.

For a history of older nominations see Project:User ban nominations/Archive.


Because of this homophobic act of vandalism, I have blocked this user for one day to prevent further harm inflicted on Wikivoyage.

However, I think it's time we discussed a much longer block for this guy. He's not getting any better, in fact it's the opposite of that. --ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 23:11, 29 August 2018 (UTC)

Actually, forget the above, this should be an indefban. Look at the contributions. --ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 23:22, 29 August 2018 (UTC)
Libertarianmoderate was previously blocked for three days, so per Wikivoyage:How to handle unwanted edits#Escalating user blocks his second block should last two weeks. I've done that provisionally, but ultimately I agree with ThunderingTyphoons! that an indefban is warranted. -- AndreCarrotflower (talk) 23:27, 29 August 2018 (UTC)
Also: Two of the three sockpuppet accounts he has acknowledged (User:Zayn Hussein and User:SmokinTourist909) have already been indefbanned, but User:LibMod has not. I hope no one minds that I took the liberty of indefbanning it. -- AndreCarrotflower (talk) 23:32, 29 August 2018 (UTC)
(edit conflict)Thanks for fixing that. I was focused on stopping and undoing the vandalism. --ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 23:34, 29 August 2018 (UTC)
I agree, an indefban is appropriate. —Granger (talk · contribs) 23:59, 29 August 2018 (UTC)
Yes definitely should be indefbanned. Libmod became more immature and bigoted day by day. I also won't oppose deleting many of the empty stub articles created by Libmod on war zones, pointless redirects and tiny hamlets, which other people had to convert to outlines since he was too lazy to learn the rules here. Gizza (roam) 00:04, 30 August 2018 (UTC)
Procedurally, a notice should be placed on the nominated User's Talk page, per Wikivoyage:How to handle unwanted edits#User ban. Nurg (talk) 00:51, 30 August 2018 (UTC)
Indef bans all around, I say. Ground Zero (talk) 02:21, 30 August 2018 (UTC)
The emerging consensus here is pretty clear and I see no reason to drag this out for much longer, so anyone who does not think LM ought to be indefbanned, please do so within a day or two (and you had better lay out a pretty damn convincing case). -- AndreCarrotflower (talk) 02:35, 30 August 2018 (UTC)
This is obvious. He's gone off the deep end, which he was pretty close to for a while. Indefban. Ikan Kekek (talk) 05:57, 30 August 2018 (UTC)

They voluntarily retired, then came out of a short retirement to vandalise the site, which seems like a voluntary burning of the bridges. Ban indefinitely. Nurg (talk) 10:47, 30 August 2018 (UTC)

Yes. ϒpsilon (talk) 13:45, 30 August 2018 (UTC)
Poor sod misspelt "Wikitravel" --ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 13:50, 30 August 2018 (UTC)
Two week ban? It's obvious an indefinite ban is needed here — just look at his contributions list. We're just wasting our time with him by doing 2-week bans. He's obviously gone crazy with this; he's gotten to dislike WV so much that he's turned against it, creating pages, redirects, etc., that he knows are going to cause problems. I think from now on we ought to not give him too much attention, since he's trying to get attention now, like most other vandals. By banning him indefinitely — probably including his talk page — we don't have to waste our time with him anymore. We don't need to worry about whether or not it's political or offensive, we can just ban; he's obviously not going to help us anymore. (Whether he ever helped us is definitely in doubt.) Let's not let ourselves debate with each other because some insane user is causing problems. This ought to be enough to indefinitely ban. Let's just hurry up with this and be done with him, hopefully forever, so we get on with ordinary contributing. --Comment by Selfie City (talk about my contributions) 16:29, 30 August 2018 (UTC) --Comment by Selfie City (talk about my contributions) 16:29, 30 August 2018 (UTC)
The two week ban is just procedural. We don't indefban previously "good" (a term here used loosely) users without any discussion, that is contrary to the spirit of wikis. As it is, the indefban is going to happen, unless someone speaks up in the next few hours. --ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 16:40, 30 August 2018 (UTC)
I see, but LM has dominated our lives for too long. He's obviously a vandal now, from moving pages to a "warning" about Wikivoyage. I get the impression he caused problems on Wikitravel and was thrown off the website, probably for good reason. That's why he did the "WT Satan" vandalism when he got here. Now he's thrown off here (unless he tries to create more sockpuppet accounts) he'll find some other wiki where he can cause problems. I don't really care too much about his latest acts of vandalism, like I wouldn't care about what edits a vandal were making — it's just obvious they're vandals. So let's indefinitely ban by the end of August 30 UTC. --Comment by Selfie City (talk about my contributions) 16:45, 30 August 2018 (UTC)
I understand your sentiment, SelfieCity, but keep in mind that not everyone checks in to Wikivoyage every day, and there are some who might not have seen this discussion yet. I doubt that any convincing argument against an indefban will be made, but it's plausible enough that keeping this discussion open for another day or two is appropriate. Even if someone does argue in favor of giving LM another chance and it turns into a big debate, it will still probably be resolved before his current two-week block runs out. -- AndreCarrotflower (talk) 16:54, 30 August 2018 (UTC)

────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────Yes, sure. We've got 2 weeks. --Comment by Selfie City (talk about my contributions) 16:59, 30 August 2018 (UTC)

There's no rush, but I'd be fine with an indefinite block. Inserting factually untrue statements like Obama being a Muslim most certainly qualifies as vandalism, and as with AC's case, WV should have a zero tolerance policy for any sort of bigotry. The dog2 (talk) 18:22, 31 August 2018 (UTC)
I think it's worse. He actually seemed to believe Obama to be a Muslim. The other stuff was clearly vandalism though. Ground Zero (talk) 19:18, 31 August 2018 (UTC)

────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────It doesn't look like anyone's going to come out of the woodwork to plead for clemency on LM's behalf, so I went ahead and made the ban permanent. -- AndreCarrotflower (talk) 23:14, 31 August 2018 (UTC)


Very obviously a sockpuppet. If anyone objects to blocking this username and deleting the bunch of useless articles about little towns in the Midwest with nothing much to do, speak up now. Ikan Kekek (talk) 19:47, 19 September 2018 (UTC)

Has he or she done anything that is clearly actual vandalism? If not, I'd say give him/her the benefit of the doubt. Pashley (talk) 22:15, 19 September 2018 (UTC)
Walks like a duck and is quacking very loudly, but if that's what you'd like to do, fine. I don't think the articles this user is creating are valuable, though. Ikan Kekek (talk) 22:16, 19 September 2018 (UTC)
How are the articles I wrote useless? Alphaomegaone (talk) 22:25, 19 September 2018 (UTC)
After all, it's not like I wrote about a random open field. Alphaomegaone (talk) 22:25, 19 September 2018 (UTC)
And I'm not even done writing them. How about this? You give me 48 hours (starting Thursday morning) to finish them, or I'll redirect them to Brown County (SD) myself. Alphaomegaone (talk) 22:32, 19 September 2018 (UTC)
Clearly a LibMod sockpuppet and banned as such, meritless arguments for clemency notwithstanding; pcv also deleted. Ikan Kekek - you're best off in the future just banning these socks on sight; mentioning them here only invites unnecessary complications. -- AndreCarrotflower (talk) 23:05, 19 September 2018 (UTC)
Yes ban on sight when it's obvious. His edits overall were still a net negative (changing the breadcrumb trail of many articles to Rojava without consensus and pretending to be new and clueless, and ending up wasting everyone's time. Gizza (roam) 23:39, 19 September 2018 (UTC)

────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────It’s a bit like that Conserve user who’s now in this pages archive. Obviously not a sane individual who should have been banned without discussion, but someone had to disagree just to disagree, it seems. And yes, I agree here that we should ban Alphaomegaone if they are an LM sockpuppet. We may as well just block without discussion, or else LM’s sockpuppets might overwhelm us. --Comment by Selfie City (talk about my contributions) 01:09, 20 September 2018 (UTC)

User:SelfieCity put it best about a month ago on Libertarianmoderate's original talk page, but just to reiterate and expand: this is above all someone who craves to be the centre of attention; it doesn't matter whether that attention is positive or negative. So I say, let's not give him any. Block on sight and repeat until he goes away. They all do eventually. --ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 09:32, 20 September 2018 (UTC)

Agreed. His modus operandi had always been to create stub articles then to move on to other articles. His claim that he will finish them within 48 hours is not credible. And pretending to a new user to avoid a block? That's a paddlin' offence. Ground Zero (talk) 13:24, 20 September 2018 (UTC)
He wants to believe he’s at the center of this travel wiki. (No offense to this wiki, but why he’d see that as important is a good question.) Like most vandals, he wants attention and also makes a lot of emotionally based decisions — like the things he posted on the Wikitravel page, vandalism, page moving, suggestions in the Pub, etc. To summarize, I think it’s a combination of these things: emotions controlling him and wanting attention, that make him incompatible with this wiki and probably other wikis too. But now we understand what he’s doing, probably best just to block and not discuss these things. --Comment by Selfie City (talk about my contributions) 13:35, 20 September 2018 (UTC)
I see he or she has been permanently blocked & am still not sure I agree, though I will not remove the consensus block.
Most new users (& perhaps especially the enthusiastic ones) need a bit of advice from more experienced folk — see User_talk:Pashley/Archive#Passes or User_talk:AndreCarrotflower/2011_and_2012#It_begins... for examples — before they start getting most things right. There are limits & the really clueless ones should be blocked, but I'd say we should give them the benefit of the doubt when any exists; see Wikivoyage_talk:What_is_an_article?#How_to_not_bite_a_newbie for one of several discussions.
I also see that all the articles he or she created have been deleted. Granted, most were useless but why not redirect in accordance with Wikivoyage:Deletion_policy#Deleting_vs._redirecting? In a few cases, like w:Crazy Horse Memorial, why not keep it? Pashley (talk) 14:15, 20 September 2018 (UTC)
Pashley, I think there was a consensus that this user was a sock of LibertarianModerate, an editor who was treated quite carefully in the hope that he would become a useful contributor, but who seemed fairly resistant to the advice that was being given. Ground Zero (talk) 14:25, 20 September 2018 (UTC)
There's a fine line between biting a well-intentioned newbie and acknowledging obvious bad faith by a user who has shown plenty of it in the past, and the LibMod case is way, way over that line. There's absolutely nothing wrong with admins not following or weighing in on every single incident that happens on this site, but I would ask that any admins who are unfamiliar with LibMod's history on Wikivoyage, and who are unwilling to familiarize themselves with it retrospectively through the relevant entries in the userban archive, refrain from making uninformed and obstructionist comments toward those admins who have. Conversely, if said admins have been following this case, then the only reasonable conclusion I can think of is that their attitude toward user blocks is a relic from the bygone history of this site when we were constrained by Evan's naive utopian fantasy that all problem users can be reasoned with and made into productive contributors and userbans are almost never necessary. In that case, I would ask that they be respectful of the community's more recent consensus that userbans are to be deployed in a wider range of circumstances. -- AndreCarrotflower (talk) 15:00, 20 September 2018 (UTC)
There's no coming back for LibMod. His last days on his original account (see Special:Contributions/Libertarianmoderate) were absolutely vile. I think the Wikivoyage community has erred on the side of good faith and has been very patient with the likes of AC and LM, to no avail. Gizza (roam) 22:35, 20 September 2018 (UTC)

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User contributions. This one was so obvious and already posted something racist, so blocked for 1 month. The block is probably too short. Ikan Kekek (talk) 22:45, 19 September 2018 (UTC)

I actually think it’s the other edits that deserve our attention. Removing warning boxes in Middle East war zones — sounds like LM using an IP address as a sockpuppet to me. I’m not sure if, just because someone doesn’t like Crazy Horse, we can say they are a racist — unless their comment had more than one meaning. But the general point is clear that the IP address should be blocked for at least a month, if not three. --Comment by Selfie City (talk about my contributions) 01:21, 20 September 2018 (UTC)
What does "society" mean to you? Ikan Kekek (talk) 05:01, 20 September 2018 (UTC)
The world around, I guess. --Comment by Selfie City (talk about my contributions) 13:27, 20 September 2018 (UTC)
So rethink the linked comment in light of that, but this probably isn't the place to discuss it further. Ikan Kekek (talk) 13:29, 20 September 2018 (UTC)