Category talk:Regions with more than 9 subregions

Miscalculations possible

Central Europe is in this category even though it only has nine subregions. I believe this is because of Category:Topics in Central Europe, which is a subcategory of Category:Central Europe, giving the category 10 subcats. Powers ^(talk) 02:21, 16 August 2014 (UTC)

Good point. Yeah, you're right, the category is not perfect, but I guess it still works well enough to still be useful. I have improved the explanation a little. Incidentally, is that topic category one of the ones that would be eliminated by your proposed reversion of the new topic organization? Texugo (talk) 03:02, 16 August 2014 (UTC)

Probably, since we use them only for maintenance and not for our readers. Powers ^(talk) 15:17, 16 August 2014 (UTC)

How does it determine if there are more than 9 subregions? North Island has 11 subregions but it isn't on the list. It was agreed after discussion that more than nine regions was appropriate, but I'm assuming this page can't discern that and would list it otherwise. -Shaundd (talk) 15:39, 16 August 2014 (UTC)

The 10+ city district template also has similar problems. ϒpsilon (talk) 15:46, 16 August 2014 (UTC)

It counts the hierarchical categories. If the categories have not been created yet, it has no way of knowing. In the case of North Island though, it was simply the case that it hadn't been indexed yet when you looked. It's there in the list now. Texugo (talk) 16:32, 16 August 2014 (UTC)

ϒpsilon, if you find any others like that, try editing the article in question and saving it again with no changes, and it should show up in the category after. Texugo (talk) 16:40, 16 August 2014 (UTC)

OK, good to know. ϒpsilon (talk) 17:00, 16 August 2014 (UTC)

Oops, I meant to tag Shaundd too... Texugo (talk) 17:09, 16 August 2014 (UTC)

Exceptions

I added a list of the verified or reasonable exceptions, for reference while we're discussing. Of those, only one (Central Europe) is artificially boosted into this category by an experimental topic category. With those 13 exceptions aside, we are left with:

• Muntenia - has 10 county articles but has a discussion started about reducing those.
• New South Wales - has 15 subregions. Not really any discussion and it's unclear to me if this is a reasonable solution or if these should be reduced.
• About 5 cases I already fixed, mostly cases where the breadcrumb trail was wrong, i.e. a subregion should have been placed inside another, or belonged to another region altogether. This is, of course, part of the utility of this category.

Since there aren't a lot of things in this category, it may not matter, but a possibility is that we could easily set an attribute that would exempt the agreed exceptions from this category, so that the unclear cases don't have to be picked out from the full list. That is the solution I set up at Category:Extra regions with categories. Texugo (talk) 18:08, 16 August 2014 (UTC)

What about Mid-Ohio? That's neither a verified exception, nor on your list of remainders. It's got a score or so of county articles inside it. Powers ^(talk) 19:17, 17 August 2014 (UTC)

Oh, you're right. I apparently skipped that one when making my post above, but it's another case recognized as problematic where there is an ongoing discussion. Texugo (talk) 20:38, 17 August 2014 (UTC)

I'd forgotten about that discussion. Ryan seems to have dropped out. Powers ^(talk) 15:21, 18 August 2014 (UTC)

I had also forgotten Volga Region which is a justified exception (12 oblasts) and Lombardy, for which there is a discussion about reducing the number to 4. Texugo (talk) 18:28, 18 August 2014 (UTC)