Talk:Bourgogne-Franche-Comté

Sub-regions

What I wrote regarding Grand-Est, applies to this region, accordingly. 19 city articles are too many to be filed immediately under one unitary region. We need sub-divisions, and the most natural and logical ones would be the old regions Burgundy and Franche-Comté whose articles we could simply restore. At least Burgundy is still very well known as a cultural and traditional region even if it ceased to exist as an administrative division. --RJFF (talk) 21:25, 9 December 2017 (UTC)

For the bottom level region that this is, there is no upper limit to the number of city articles that can be listed, so having 19 city articles is not itself a reason for sub-dividing. I am not against sub-divisions on principle, but I am concerned about spreading information too thinly. There is no value in restoring the old articles, because this article used all of their content with additional content written by me, so a restoration would just be duplicating what we've already got, but worse.

If you want to create sub-region articles, they should have enough new content to be as complete as this one, without taking or copying large swathes of content from here. In my opinion, having one good article like this is miles better than having three patchy, half-empty articles.

I expect I will write a similar reply on Grand-Est in a minute. --ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 12:35, 10 December 2017 (UTC)

We now have 25 articles for this region. While there is no upper limit to how many articles can be listed, I think it would make for easier navigation and would make the map clearer if it were divided into the two traditional regions, Burgundy and Franche-Comté, as is the case in French Wikivoyage, instead of sticking them together into the modern administrative region. I have recently re-organized Brittany and Normandy to make navigation easier, and I think those regions work much better now. Ground Zero (talk) 13:05, 13 March 2025 (UTC)

That makes a lot of sense. How would the articles break down if they're divided between the two traditional regions? Ikan Kekek (talk) 16:52, 13 March 2025 (UTC)

Subregions 2

@Ikan Kekek, ThunderingTyphoons!: Here is a different proposal. Splitting Bourgogne-Franche-Comté into B and Franche-Comté subregions leaves Bourgogne still a very large region with 20 articles and FC with 5. Instead I propose to split Bourgogne into its four departments while keeping Franche-Comté as one subregion. Ground Zero (talk) 02:15, 16 April 2025 (UTC)

This works for me. Franche-Comté is accidentally duplicated at the end, but this division works. Thank you! Ikan Kekek (talk) 03:08, 16 April 2025 (UTC)

This is a good proposal. I also like what you did with Normandy. Thank you, bud.--ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 01:10, 17 April 2025 (UTC)

• Done, and thank you. Ground Zero (talk) 11:05, 25 April 2025 (UTC)

Proposal

Yonne

Côte-d'Or

Nièvre

Saône-et-Loire

Franche-Comté

Yonne

• 1 Auxerre — with a relatively compact old town, Auxerre is pleasant to walk through and features some beautiful, very old buildings including the Old Abbey of St. Germain, whose crypt contains frescos from the time of Charlemagne
• 2 Avallon — small walled town on a rocky outcrop with possible Arthurian links
• 3 Chablis — home to the most famous Burgundy white wine
• 4 Migennes — small town with a great market hall known for its local food and drink
• 5 Sens — historically important city with a famous Gothic cathedral and other striking buildings from those heady times in its past
• 6 Vézelay — hill village that's home to the famous Basilique Sainte-Marie-Madeleine de Vézelay, start of many a pilgrimage to Santiago de Compostela

Côte-d'Or

• 7 Dijon — capital of the region, former power-base of the Dukes of Burgundy, loaded with history in each corner of its downtown streets
• 8 Aiserey — small commune with a castle
• 9 Beaune — capital of the Dukes of Burgundy after Dijon, a well-to-do city that features the beautiful Hôtel-Dieu with the Polyptych of the Apocalypse by Rogier van der Weyden
• 10 Châtillon-sur-Seine — known for its 12th-century churches, flowers and the beauty of the surrounding area
• 11 Époisses — a small village, best known for its cheese; it also has its own château
• 12 Saulieu — a small town that features the Gothic Saint-Andoche Basilica
• 13 Semur-en-Auxois — a walled medieval town in the heart of the Côte-d'Or, on the banks of the Armançon, which has a striking skyline and a beautiful collegiate church
• 1 Forêts National Park – France's newest national park (since 2021), and the first in lowland forests

Nièvre

• 14 Nevers — town on the river Loire which attracts pilgrims visiting the earthly remains of Saint Bernadette, of Lourdes fame
• 15 La Charité-sur-Loire — a "city of books", with many literary festivals and booksellers
• 2 Morvan Regional Natural Park — a protected area of woodlands, lakes and traditional farmland

Saône-et-Loire

• 16 Autun — small hill town with very well-preserved ancient Roman walls and a great Romanesque cathedral
• 17MISSING WIKILINK Chalon-sur-Saône — a a hub of road and river transport already as a Roman city
• 18 Mâcon — colourful city on the river Saône, gateway to the Beaujolais wine region
• 19 Paray-le-Monial — small town with attractive 11th-century basilica
• 3 Taizé Community – a monastic community and pilgrimage site

Franche-Comté

• 20 Besançon — Besançon has a beautiful old city, great art and architecture, with a Vauban-designed citadel which is surrounded by beautiful green hills, and the atmosphere of a university city as well as one of history and commerce.
• 21 Dole — mediaeval capital of the Free County of Burgundy
• 22 Nans-sous-Sainte-Anne — Jura mountain village with good local produce
• 23 Saint-Claude — known for its museum of diamonds, gemstones and pipes
• 24 Vesoul — an old town and fine arts museum