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Et cetera in French[edit]

You've really found that French people don't understand et cetera? I have found the opposite. I've usually seen it written "&c." in French, although French Wikipedia states that that's less common than etc., but I've certainly heard ordinary French people of my age speak the expression. Ikan Kekek (talk) 22:02, 3 January 2019 (UTC)

Perhaps it's a generational thing. Or perhaps I'm confusing it with something else... --ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 22:41, 3 January 2019 (UTC)

Botanical tourism, Splitting out lengthy sections..[edit]

Plunge forward. , I would consider a split reasonable.. Do we have a tag for {{split out}}?, as I can think of sections in other articles that might be worth splitting out ( Like the Get around section in London, and at some point I'd written London Underground which could be retitled and used as the split point.) ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 00:15, 21 January 2019 (UTC)

While I do agree that some of these longer generic travel topic articles will eventually need splitting, all I was doing on that occasion was correcting a few typos before bed. As we don't appear to have that template, just use the article's talk page to attract discussion and consensus. --ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 09:15, 21 January 2019 (UTC)

It's fixed, I'm back[edit]

Now it's fixed; the "bad faith beta" filter needed a little adjustment which I could make by myself. I was able to edit on all other wikis and even Wikivoyages in other languages, but here I couldn't even write on my talk page - funnily enough, the rollback and patrol buttons remained live. Now it"s 100% operational. Ibaman (talk) 21:26, 6 February 2019 (UTC)

Oh good, welcome back. I just wrote that email on a bumpy bus, glad that you didn't need it in the end. --ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 21:35, 6 February 2019 (UTC)
Sorry, I think I might have added your username to the filter, so it blocked any edits with "Ibaman" in them! Sincere apologies.
User:Doug Weller had the same problem. --Comment by Selfie City (talk | contributions) 01:23, 7 February 2019 (UTC)

Banlung 1[edit]

I can not understand why i can not add one verídic information. U can explain me why u delete the information i have put. I m traveling now in Banlung and know the information. Can u explain me the reason why u delete? Pitxiquin (talk) 13:52, 14 February 2019 (UTC)

Banlung 2[edit]

Hola. Veo que entiendes el castellanisme. Perdona que te escriba en este idioma. Lo domino mas que el ingles. Yo no sou vandalico. Sou editor experto de la Viquipèdia en català. Puedes verlo si quieres. Lo inici que me història és saber que he echo mal editando la informació certera y veritable que he añadido de una agència de viajes local. No tengo ningún interès en la misma, solo añado informacion por si alguien quiere buscar un guia local indígena que le explique el funcionamento y como vivien las gentes locals. No entiendo que hay de mal en Ello. Y Mas cuando contrasto la información con una pàgina web que funciona y avala la informacion. Si me puedes explicar que hago mal, agradeceria que lo explicaràs en vez de borrar la información y proteger la pàgina. Gràcies. Atentamente, Pitxiquin. Pitxiquin (talk) 14:02, 14 February 2019 (UTC)

Yo te pedo a esperar una respuesta de User:Ibaman antes de editar la página de nuevo. No sé cómo eso se pasa en la Wikipedia en català, pero aquí no se toleran las guerras de edición. ¿Podrías leer nuestras políticas aquí y aquí? Aunque mi español escrito no es tan bueno, entiendo tu mensaje perfectamente. Sin embargo estoy en trabajo entonces no te puedo ayudar más. Bona tarda, ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 14:26, 14 February 2019 (UTC)
  • For the record, I moved all the touty non-compliant listings to Talk:Banlung because I agree with Pitxiquin that removing "his" listing and letting the others stand would be very unfair. Now we have a cleaner page. Ibaman (talk) 15:15, 14 February 2019 (UTC)

Dresden Tram[edit]

It's not just you, the trams - for whatever reason - don't show up... Hobbitschuster (talk) 11:54, 27 February 2019 (UTC)

Probably a Wikidata issue. Andree would be the best person to speak to.--ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 12:32, 27 February 2019 (UTC)
Didn't want to respond @ the pub, because I know why it's not working... :) Basically there are no wikidata records for the tram routes, and neither are there (obviously) links from OSM to wikidata - needs to be done from scratch. But it's nice that the tram routes/relations are already in OSM, that's a very good start - the missing parts should be quite straightforward to do. But I ain't got time to do it, unfortunately... -- andree.sk(talk) 12:46, 27 February 2019 (UTC)
By the way, the issue exists for most (I'm not confident saying "all") Tram systems in Germany... Hobbitschuster (talk) 13:03, 27 February 2019 (UTC)
Thanks, Andree, for the explanation. As with most things on Wikivoyage, there are more jobs which need doing than there are people to do them. Though this is thankfully one of the less important ones.--ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 13:26, 27 February 2019 (UTC)
@Hobbitschuster:, the point is - it's a bit of a miracle if the tram routes are at least in OSM. The routes tend to change every year or so (well, at least where I live they do... they renumber, change route, disappear or re-appear etc.), it's quite some work to sync the maps. The S-Bahn or subway routes are much more stable/reliable. -- andree.sk(talk) 20:30, 28 February 2019 (UTC)

Hello[edit]

Have a look at Special:AbuseFilter/45 when you get the chance.

Cc: Ikan, SelfieCity, Granger, ARR8

-- AndreCarrotflower (talk) 05:12, 8 March 2019 (UTC)

Read, thanks. Ikan Kekek (talk) 07:51, 8 March 2019 (UTC)
Have read and replied with detailed ramblings.--ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 13:05, 8 March 2019 (UTC)

Requesting second view...[edit]

Concerning:- https://en.wikivoyage.org/w/index.php?title=London%2FMayfair-Marylebone&type=revision&diff=3744050&oldid=3744048

Reverted an edit here.. and left the contributor the standard welcome message for a business.

I'd like a second view as to the appropriateness of the course of action taken. ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 11:54, 15 March 2019 (UTC)

You did the right thing. Thank you, mate. --ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 14:53, 15 March 2019 (UTC)
Do we have a local Check User? - https://en.wikivoyage.org/w/index.php?title=London/Mayfair-Marylebone&action=history

ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 20:34, 15 March 2019 (UTC)

and Special:Contributions/K2prestigecarhire ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 20:57, 15 March 2019 (UTC)

No check users here. But when it's obvious, we can just block someone abusing multiple accounts. I'll check both accounts out.--ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 22:12, 15 March 2019 (UTC)

Another edit of concern...[edit]

https://en.wikivoyage.org/w/index.php?title=London/East_End&curid=20094&oldid=3744300

This was already reverted, but per policy about DENY as locally applied, it should probably be overisghted and the IP address responsible suppressed. ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 20:54, 15 March 2019 (UTC)

@ShakespeareFan00: We aren't using 'Deny' on random time wasters, just on the worst repeat vandals. Thanks for your efforts in opposing vandalism. :-) ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 22:08, 15 March 2019 (UTC)

Bouzigues star nomination[edit]

Just in case you didn't know, I've posted the Bouzigues star nomination. Thanks for the work you've done on that article! --Comment by Selfie City (talk | contributions) 23:02, 19 March 2019 (UTC)

I did know, just haven't been on Wikivoyage much to respond. Thanks for doing that 😀 --ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 14:51, 20 March 2019 (UTC)
You're welcome --Comment by Selfie City (talk | contributions) 22:39, 20 March 2019 (UTC)

Bringing up Wikivoyage in a job application[edit]

Swept in from the pub

Has anyone here ever used their experiences of editing Wikivoyage, and/or what you have contributed to and learnt from WV, in the process of getting a new job (either at the initial application phase, or later interview stages)? If so, how did that go? I'd very much like to hear your experiences. If you haven't, would you consider doing so, or do you think it is a bad idea? Open to any and all viewpoints. --ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 15:24, 21 March 2019 (UTC)

Well, it would obviously be relevant if you are applying to anything at https://wikimediafoundation.org/about/jobs/ ;-)
More generally, if the job is about writing, then they can find samples of your writing here. I also think that it's proof that you're self-motivated and self-organized, which is valued in many positions. It also demonstrates that you can find ways to work with others, because this is a collaborative environment. WhatamIdoing (talk) 15:47, 21 March 2019 (UTC)
Back when I worked in the hotel industry, I always put my Wikivoyage experience on my resume and it was a big help. Invariably, it was one of the things about which I could always count on the interviewer asking for more information. -- AndreCarrotflower (talk) 16:00, 21 March 2019 (UTC)
(As a matter of fact, one of the reasons why I eventually stopped mentioning it was that my employers would use my expertise to justify giving me additional duties above and beyond the usual job description, i.e. responding to guests' TripAdvisor reviews, without any corresponding increase in salary. So in my case, you might say it worked a little too well.) -- AndreCarrotflower (talk) 16:03, 21 March 2019 (UTC)
I would say that generally it would be good to briefly mention it, particularly if the application process has any "outside interests" questions. However this type of question is less common these days as it can lead to inadvertent race/gender bias. Wikis are often used as internal business platforms, so experience in wiki-editing can be relevant. It would be worth looking to see if the employer has had any friction with WP - is there a WP page which company management might want deleted, in which case approach it more cautiously. There are also a few jobs where open communication is a bad idea! AlasdairW (talk) 23:01, 21 March 2019 (UTC)
TT/whoever's interested in the topic, one thing to note: how would they know (we'll just use the name "Joe" for now) that Joe is the same person as ThunderingTyphoons/AlasdairW/Ikan Kekek on Wikivoyage? It's like if I applied for a job and included in my resume that I use Wikivoyage under the username "123456". It would be hard either to prove that I was 123456 or that I wasn't, since "123456" isn't my real name. You get the idea? --Comment by Selfie City (talk | contributions) 23:37, 21 March 2019 (UTC)
Well, I have a huge photo of myself on my userpage, and if you go into the page history you see it was uploaded and placed on the page by the same account that did the bulk of the work on Buffalo and its districts and so forth. All of which happened years before the position even opened up. If it’s a con, it’s a long and strange one. — AndreCarrotflower (talk) 23:58, 21 March 2019 (UTC)
My experience when mentioning hobbies like this in job interviews is that no one is trying to verify that what I'm saying is true. But if the interviewer is skeptical and wants you to prove your identity, that can be done using email or by logging in in front of them. I wouldn't worry about it.
I would suggest thinking of some examples of your best work on the wiki so that if they ask what articles you've contributed to, you'll have an answer ready. —Granger (talk · contribs) 00:24, 22 March 2019 (UTC)
@AndreCarrotflower: Yes, you wouldn't have any problem. But when I wrote my comment I was talking in general. --Comment by Selfie City (talk | contributions) 00:31, 22 March 2019 (UTC)
I'm really grateful for everyone's opinions on this. There are replies I could write to each of you in turn, though sadly I haven't the time. But these answers are super! Thank you all, ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 17:19, 22 March 2019 (UTC)

If you are around...[edit]

... can you please block Special:Contributions/Modulation scheme for template vandalism? Thanks Maxim (talk) 18:48, 24 April 2019 (UTC)

@Maxim: Yes Done - thanks for the tipoff.--ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 18:52, 24 April 2019 (UTC)

Spelling[edit]

You're right about the spelling. I reverted the user's edit because of the original user, not the content he/she included. But you're absolutely right. --Comment by Selfie City (talk | contributions) 14:28, 19 June 2019 (UTC)

I have also replied to your comment. --Comment by Selfie City (talk | contributions) 21:45, 18 July 2019 (UTC)
Thanks, I saw.--ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 21:50, 18 July 2019 (UTC)
@Ikan Kekek, Ground Zero, AndreCarrotflower, Traveler100, Ibaman: and @LPfi, Pashley, DaGizza, Yvwv:, and any regular admin I've forgotten about (sorry):
I know most of you don't follow developments on the filters, but please do weigh in on the discussion at abuse filter 45, as soon as you can.
Best wishes, ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 22:32, 18 July 2019 (UTC)
I've added my thoughts. -- AndreCarrotflower (talk) 22:56, 18 July 2019 (UTC)

Thank you for your assistance[edit]

Thank you for your recent assistance. Your comments about roll-backs gave me the validation I needed to proceed with reverting abuse of the roll-back function. I don't want to prolong the squabble with that editor because he is a long-standing, if difficult, contributor, who has added a lot to Wikivoyage. At the same time, I do not want to stand down from making articles easier to read and less jargony. He has not responded, so I think we can count this as a de-escalation, which is a good thing. Best regards, Ground Zero (talk) 20:34, 27 July 2019 (UTC)

I think we all want what's best for Wikivoyage, even where we disagree on what that means. Hopefully, he will take my request to heart, and that will be the end of it. Keep smiling, :-) ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 21:16, 27 July 2019 (UTC)

User:Alexkyoung[edit]

Hello. This user, or someone claiming to be this user, came onto IRC asking how to request an unblock on this project and claiming they were not related to User:Libertarianmoderate. I'm not sure what their 5 now-deleted edits are, but unless it's 100% certainly a sockpuppet of that user I think they should be given talk page access to request an unblock. Best regards, Vermont (talk) 02:50, 14 August 2019 (UTC)

Hello @Vermont: As far as I am concerned, that user is a sockpuppet of Libertarianmoderate. This conviction is based on the name of the Alexkyoung account, his Wikipedia edits - both the content he added and the way in which he conducted himself (i.e. abusively using multiple accounts) - and on the comments he made at his WP user talk page after he was banned. The now hidden edits the user made to Wikivoyage were a resumption of the disruptive Chinese nationalist edits that brought his Wikipedia account to sysop attention in the first place. At best this suggests Alex learnt nothing from the experience of being banned at Wikipedia, and at worst it's a repetition of a pattern displayed by Libertarianmoderate and other sock accounts of his.
Therefore, per our policy at WV:How to handle unwanted edits ("At the discretion of an administrator, the talk pages of spambots, long-term vandals and abusers may be protected from all edits by users without admin rights"), I don't think I am under any obligation to allow Alex to appeal his Wikivoyage block via his user talk page. Furthermore, I don't think there is anything the user could write in an appeal that would convince me to change my mind.
However, being a fallible human, it is at least possible that, despite my conviction, I am mistaken about this user's identity. So, for the sake of fairness, I am willing to 'refer up' to this wiki's two most active bureaucrats: User:AndreCarrotflower and User:Ikan Kekek. They can hopefully take a look at the user's edits on Wikipedia and Wikivoyage, and then offer a second and third opinion of my conclusions. If they decide there is sufficient doubt around the user's identity, then we can allow Alex the opportunity to appeal the block at his talk page.--ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 12:58, 14 August 2019 (UTC)
Okay. Thank you for the response. Best regards, Vermont (talk) 13:09, 14 August 2019 (UTC)
@Vermont, ThunderingTyphoons!: It's not clear to me that this user is a Libertarianmoderate sockpuppet, but given the content of his Wikipedia talk page, it's very clear that he's someone's sockpuppet, and in the case of this user I don't really think it matters who the puppeteer is. Wikivoyage:How to handle unwanted edits#User ban explicitly allows for editors who are already banned on other WMF sites to be reciprocally banned on Wikivoyage, and I have no doubt that a userban was the right call here - Alexkyoung clearly was not a good-faith contributor to Wikipedia and the same picture had begun emerging from the character of his edits to Wikivoyage as well. -- AndreCarrotflower (talk) 15:07, 14 August 2019 (UTC)
Regardless of the identity of the user, on the basis of their unconstructive edits to Wikivoyage alone, the indefinite block is justified. Wikipedia can handle its own affairs, and for me to spend precious time reading through this user's posts on Wikipedia with the aim of second-guessing them as an ordinary user of Wikipedia would be unnecessary, useless and inappropriate. We could unhide the reverted edits, though, if others feel that's a good move. Trust me, User:Vermont, they don't make for great reading. Ikan Kekek (talk) 17:23, 14 August 2019 (UTC)

burger[edit]

i added a new travel subject hope u dont mind. Cactusflies22 (talk) 12:42, 21 August 2019 (UTC)

Hi there @Cactusflies22: Looks like that was deleted, and to be honest I can see why - empty or near-empty new articles tend to be deleted pretty quickly here. I would encourage you to focus on articles that already exist, and add to those. Did you know, we already have an article called Fast food in the United States and Canada - if you're interested, you can work on that. Let me know if you have any problems. --ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 15:29, 21 August 2019 (UTC)
And American cuisine. --Comment by Selfie City (talk | contributions) 20:24, 21 August 2019 (UTC)

Banja Luka[edit]

Hi, wanted to let you know that I added a comment on the talk page of Banja Luka article. Alaexis (talk) 19:46, 25 August 2019 (UTC)

Thanks :-) --ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 21:05, 25 August 2019 (UTC)

Liverpool[edit]

Thanks for fixing the Spanish page for Liverpool.--Darrelljon (talk) 12:57, 27 August 2019 (UTC)

Any time :) --ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 13:32, 27 August 2019 (UTC)

Second opinion needed...[edit]

https://en.wikivoyage.org/w/index.php?title=Ronda&diff=prev&oldid=3837376 Viable link or touting? ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 09:27, 29 August 2019 (UTC)

Obvious touting, as you quickly realised. A general rule of thumb is that if a link is completely unrelated to the word being linked from, it's a tout. All the best, ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 10:07, 29 August 2019 (UTC)

Community Insights Survey[edit]

RMaung (WMF) 14:34, 9 September 2019 (UTC)

Reminder: Community Insights Survey[edit]

RMaung (WMF) 19:13, 20 September 2019 (UTC)

Second Opinion.[edit]

Special:Contributions/Mar_Tranquilidade Conlilct of interest? ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 13:20, 23 September 2019 (UTC)

Borderline case of touting. If there were already multiple sleep listings on the article, I would have deleted that one, but that is the first and thus far only sleep listing, so worth keeping and detouting.--ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 13:57, 23 September 2019 (UTC)

help?[edit]

hi thundering i need guidance in helping out. Cactusflies22 (talk) 20:21, 23 September 2019 (UTC)

Hi, Cactusflies22! Did you read Wikivoyage:Tips for new contributors? You don't need any general advice beyond this to get started, just plunge forward and add something that will help travellers to an article. As I mentioned on your talk page a month ago, it would be a good idea to pick an article for a place you know well, like your hometown. But you could pick any article you like. Once you've actually started editing, I'm happy to help and advise further.--ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 20:28, 23 September 2019 (UTC)

Second Opinion 2[edit]

I wasn't sure about this edit given the user name suggests a conflict of interest: -

https://en.wikivoyage.org/w/index.php?title=Tibet&curid=35975&diff=3850490&oldid=3815563 ? ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 10:06, 24 September 2019 (UTC)

User:Ibaman dealt with it. Feel free to take action against touts yourself in future: revert the touty edit(s), stick the {{subst:tout}} message on their talk page, and put them on your watchlist. I understand you feel comfortable asking for a second opinion, but your initial judgement that you're dealing with a tout hasn't been wrong yet, so perhaps you should trust your judgement more :) --ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 12:34, 24 September 2019 (UTC)

New user[edit]

Hi there. I am new to Wikivoyage but I have been on the English Wikipedia for quite a while now. I am interested in helping out, are you able to give me some tips? What would be useful is some key differences from Wikipedia which you could explain, if you are able to. Thanks a lot, Willbb234 (talk) 16:31, 24 September 2019 (UTC)

Here you go: Wikivoyage:Welcome, Wikipedians, and welcome from me as well. Ypsilon (talk) 16:50, 24 September 2019 (UTC)
Ypsilon has pretty much covered it. Reading the other links in my welcome message would give you lots of tips too. I would be happy to answer any other specific questions. Best wishes, ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 18:18, 24 September 2019 (UTC)

Reminder: Community Insights Survey[edit]

RMaung (WMF) 17:04, 4 October 2019 (UTC)