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Global filters[edit]

Swept in from the pub

Please see my talk page for a brief bit of context

User:Billinghurst has suggested that Wikivoyage should have one or two m:Abuse filter helpers who could keep an eye on the global abuse filters (particularly the ones marked as private) as they pertain to Wikivoyage. Would any sysop / bureaucrat who is confident using our internal abuse filters like to put themselves forward for this? As I understand it, it's just a monitoring role, making sure that global filters are not having detrimental effect locally.--ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 11:26, 9 April 2021 (UTC)[]

It is a quality control role and some eyes out for your community. There are a lot of global hits for all the wikis, so someone with broader vision focusing on your logs is valuable. It can also be seen as a proving ground for those who are good at the role and have a global view. AF are currently going through a rewrite and improvements, and when they go live those eyes will be useful. Billinghurst (talk) 11:32, 9 April 2021 (UTC)[]
I'd be happy to help with this. I'm not an abuse filter expert by any means, but I have modified them now and then and have enough programming experience to be able to understand how they work. —Granger (talk · contribs) 17:54, 9 April 2021 (UTC)[]
I think it's a good idea to have at least two, if we can. Anyone else? WhatamIdoing (talk) 20:42, 9 April 2021 (UTC)[]
I mentioned on TT's talk that this is interesting timing, because I've actually been thinking about whether I could help out with abuse filters on Voy recently (partially because I recently had a run-in with some fast-paced vandalism that could've been better dealt with if either I could rollback or we had more filters). While I'd be happy to help out, I don't have the mop, and that being mentioned here gives me pause. Vaticidalprophet (talk) 10:55, 10 April 2021 (UTC)[]
With all respect to your edits so far, you'd need a longer track record (specifically on WV) for the mop, but there's no reason that I can see for you not to have rollback rights instated right away if it would help.--ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 11:38, 10 April 2021 (UTC)[]
Oh, certainly no rush to adminship -- I'm still not sure if I'd even want it. Much thanks for the...smaller mop? :P, though! (Dustpan and broom?) I would wonder if it'd be useful for anyone to apply for local edit filter helper rights on projects that we share some private-filter issues with, too -- I know there are some shared edit filter helpers between enwiki and enwikibooks, for instance. Vaticidalprophet (talk) 11:45, 10 April 2021 (UTC)[]
Just noting here that as a sysop on both meta and enwikivoyage I've in the past used global filters for some LTAs that are active here and on other wikis, and try to review the logs when I have time --DannyS712 (talk) 09:06, 25 April 2021 (UTC)[]

Global "ntsamr"-pattern spambot filter[edit]

I tried to tell Nricardo that I made this edit, but it kept triggering this filter and disallowing my edits. 17:32, 17 May 2021 (UTC)[]

I don't know whether I've mentioned this before, but I'm not the best person to ask about filters, particularly not global filters. Advise you post in the Travellers' Pub.--ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 17:45, 17 May 2021 (UTC)[]
Done. 17:56, 17 May 2021 (UTC)[]
Also, what is this page? 18:06, 17 May 2021 (UTC)[]
A badly worded and badly formatted stub about a film character, with translate requests. No idea what the creator thought we'd do about it. Why? –LPfi (talk) 21:01, 17 May 2021 (UTC)[]

How do I mass hide revisions and protect page creations?[edit]

Hi there, just got admin rights on yesterday. However, I have tried to protect a page that has not been created. Been a target for an LTA. Do you know how? The page is Edwin Symonowicz. Thanks, SHB2000 (talk | contribs | en.wikipedia) 09:08, 18 May 2021 (UTC)[]

Never mind. Found out how to do it. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | en.wikipedia) 09:09, 18 May 2021 (UTC)[]
@SHB2000: You can go to the history of the logs, select multiple revisions using the checkbox, and the click "Change visibility of revisions". Leaderboard (talk) 09:09, 18 May 2021 (UTC)[]
@Leaderboard: - Thanks mate! The layout does feel unusual to me. Should get used to it though. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | en.wikipedia) 09:11, 18 May 2021 (UTC)[]

Thank you[edit]

Voy-Sysop-barnstar.png The Sysop's Barncompass
This Barncompass is to show appreciation for your great work on being a great Sysop on Wikivoyage. -- 14:09, 20 May 2021 (UTC)[]
I saw what happened on the Travellers' pub and I saw Leaderboard's Meta talk page, so I just wanted to say thank you. 14:09, 20 May 2021 (UTC)[]
If I may chime in, I'd also like to give a thank you as well. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | en.wikipedia) 14:12, 20 May 2021 (UTC)[]
Can you also please hide all of the contributions between the first and last one you hid as you can still see it if you do compare revisions. 14:28, 20 May 2021 (UTC)[]
I just wanted to clarify that when I said that I didn't have an account, I meant that I don't have one on Wikivoyage. 15:04, 20 May 2021 (UTC)[]
You're very welcome. Those revisions have now been hidden.
Please feel free to edit Wikivoyage how you please, but just so you know you are welcome to create a new account for the purposes of editing WV, and you're also welcome to use the other account or to carry on as you are. You've just got to be careful on other wikis, some of which have strict rules against use of multiple accounts.--ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 15:40, 20 May 2021 (UTC)[]
I don't want to create/use an account on Wikivoyage as I will lose all of the contributions I have made so far. I will try to be as careful as I can on other wikis, as I don't want to get blocked. 16:18, 20 May 2021 (UTC)[]
As you wish, but sooner or later you're going to lose that IP address.--ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 16:25, 20 May 2021 (UTC)[]
My IP address only changes when my router is reset. 17:29, 21 May 2021 (UTC)[]
Yes, but a power outage means oh no, my IP has reset. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | en.wikipedia) 09:28, 22 May 2021 (UTC)[]

Eu English[edit]

Actually there was a short while when people argued that English would cease to be an official language of the EU altogether due to a weird principle that every member could only "bring into" the EU one official language. And it just so happens that Malta (Maltese), Ireland (Irish) and Cyprus (Greek, I think) do not much care for the English language in that regard. Of course it being still by far the most studied foreign language in the EU, any proposal to actually get rid of EU-English is dead in the water. But then EU-English is not quite British English as many a Brit has learned to their chagrin during EU summits. Hobbitschuster (talk) 14:20, 23 May 2021 (UTC)[]

Definitely agree that English as spoken by non-natives in the EU institutions is somewhat its own variant, perhaps even different from the English(es) spoken by ordinary citizens outside the Brussels bubble, but the differences are influenced by the grammar and vocabulary that major continental languages have in common.
I can't much speak for Cyprus and Malta except to remark that English is almost universally spoken in each regardless of whether they feel any great affinity for it, but the idea that Ireland is somehow not a native (and in fact majority monolingual) English-speaking country is just wrong.--ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 15:18, 23 May 2021 (UTC)[]


There is a user editing pages with an IP address quite close to a user who is blocked indefinitely. Do you think it is the same user? 17:01, 23 May 2021 (UTC)[]

The IP addresses are registered in different cities. —Granger (talk · contribs) 18:00, 23 May 2021 (UTC)[]
Given the existence of VPNs and proxies and their use in anonymous editing, it's probably best to go off the actual content of edits rather than the addresses themselves.--ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 18:06, 23 May 2021 (UTC)[]

Loud slurping noises[edit]

To answer your question, if you go to Japan, making loud slurping noises is actually expected when you go to a ramen or udon shop. Of course, these places are casual eateries, the equivalent of fast food in the West, and you would also be expected to be quiet if you go to a posh kaiseki or Edomae sushi place. The dog2 (talk) 19:02, 21 June 2021 (UTC)[]

Ah, I see. Thank you.--ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 20:21, 21 June 2021 (UTC)[]

Gothic Revival[edit]

Just to ask, do you consider Christ Church college in Oxford to be Gothic revival? The dog2 (talk) 19:16, 21 June 2021 (UTC)[]

Not really, since it dates from the end of the original Gothic period. Apparently there's some debate as to whether Christopher Wren's later repairs and embellishments constituted a continuation of the original tradition or a mini-revival, but I don't know enough about it. Most people with a casual interest in architecture would say the Gothic revival took place from the late 18th century onwards in reaction to neo-Classicalism.--ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 20:21, 21 June 2021 (UTC)[]


Can you apply them on the pages vandalised by GRP, for instance, Talk:Poland? They have a habit of referencing these pages when spamming other sites, and hence I for one now apply revision-deletion to prevent this. Leaderboard (talk) 10:31, 22 June 2021 (UTC)[]

Also pinging @SelfieCity, LPfi: as you both seem to be quite active this hour. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | en.wikipedia) 11:29, 22 June 2021 (UTC)[]
I suppose that for those, it is the content that is used by the links, no need to hide user names, and most edit summaries are OK too. Different with some other users. I think TT and I took care of them. Was there some more? I'll be off for some time now. –LPfi (talk) 11:50, 22 June 2021 (UTC)[]
Nah, there weren't any left. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | en.wikipedia) 11:57, 22 June 2021 (UTC)[]
I was working on an OpenStreetMap project when GRP/LtA came to Wikivoyage, but I’ve read through the AC and LTA discussions. My understanding was that due to LTA’s behavior revdel wasn’t effective with him. But it looks like it’s resolved now. --Comment by Selfie City (talk | contributions) 12:30, 22 June 2021 (UTC)[]
Can someone also take the speedy deletion bin out? SHB2000 (talk | contribs | en.wikipedia) 12:58, 22 June 2021 (UTC)[]
Yes Done
Many thanks to you four for dealing with the Poland vandalism as a team.--ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 13:35, 22 June 2021 (UTC)[]
Merci beaucoup d'avoir pris la poubelle! SHB2000 (talk | contribs | en.wikipedia) 13:39, 22 June 2021 (UTC)[]
Je t'en prie :-) Bonne nuit à toi.--ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 14:46, 22 June 2021 (UTC)[]


To answer your comment, while this is certainly not foolproof, one way in which they can determine your ethnicity is from your surname. So if your surname is Armenian (eg. actor Ken Davitian, who is from the U.S., or football player Andranik Teymourian, who is from Iran), you are prohibited from entering Azerbaijan regardless of where you were born or what passport you use. The dog2 (talk) 22:06, 22 June 2021 (UTC)[]

Well that's horrible.--ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 07:57, 23 June 2021 (UTC)[]
Sorry to chime in, but that's pretty damn horrible (that also means the NSW premier won't ever get to go to Azerbaijan). I never knew any country did this. Oh well, that's something new I learnt today SHB2000 (talk | contribs | en.wikipedia) 11:16, 23 June 2021 (UTC)[]

"Conspiracy theories"[edit]

In light of this revert, let me just point to the FJS days (who has been dead since 1988 and is thus safe(r) to openly label as corrupt than the current guys) which were so corrupt, even his sons had to face corruption charges (and I think Max Strauß got convicted....) Hobbitschuster (talk) 10:26, 30 June 2021 (UTC)[]

Okay, but I was more concerned that allegations of high-level corruption, even if they had been substantiated, weren't relevant to that article or specifically to the section on police.--ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 12:46, 30 June 2021 (UTC)[]
fair enough Hobbitschuster (talk) 12:50, 30 June 2021 (UTC)[]
Although to address the "conspiracy theory" point, I used that term precisely there was no substantiation of the claim, and such allegations are often used as political weapons by the disingenuous and gullible, cf. pizzagate.--ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 13:07, 30 June 2021 (UTC)[]
Pizzagate is absurd and I’m mystified by the fact it’s supposedly caught on (I don’t know anyone who believes it), but in this case the context is important. I have no idea about these allegations but the context is local police and large scandals aren’t the focus of the passage. --Comment by Selfie City (talk | contributions) 13:37, 30 June 2021 (UTC)[]

English language varieties for Australia[edit]

FYI: Most people, including Australia's would think not, but for the few Holden fans like myself, Holden - the former largest car company was sold of to General Motors (US owned) in 1931, and hence why Australia uses a lot of US terms when it comes to cars. It was sad to see it leave Australia last year though, but it was because of Holden why Australia is more closely related to the US when it comes to cars. No idea about NZ though, but I presume it's a similar reason though.

Cheers, --SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 10:41, 13 July 2021 (UTC)[]

OK, but I was simply pointing out that "Australian and Canadian English uses American terminology and spelling extensively as the Canadian and American auto industries have always had close links" does not follow.--ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 11:00, 13 July 2021 (UTC)[]
@SHB2000: When it comes to spelling, Australia still generally seems to follow British conventions even when it comes to motor vehicles though. I have never lived in the UK, but having taken my driving theory test in Australia, the U.S. and Singapore, I remember Australia used UK spelling for words like "kerb" and "tyre". Also I remember on the country roads, whenever they add an additional lane for you to overtake slower vehicles, those lanes are called "passing lanes" in the U.S., but called "overtaking lanes" in Australia. The dog2 (talk) 20:23, 14 July 2021 (UTC)[]
It's a mix. We use US for a lot like Blinkers, boot, coupe with no accent unless it's a European manufactured car, median, minivan etc. There's also some that we use that are neither used in en-GB or en-US like carpool/car sharing which it's called T2 and T3 here, carsharing and car club is not used here at all, or ute (Aus only). SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 21:59, 14 July 2021 (UTC)[]
"Boot" is English, isn't it? --Comment by Selfie City (talk | contributions) 22:06, 14 July 2021 (UTC)[]
yea. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 22:27, 14 July 2021 (UTC)[]
"Blinkahs" is Boston-area. We use our turn signals here in New York. Ikan Kekek (talk) 22:43, 14 July 2021 (UTC)[]
I wonder if Australian terms also differ by region. I lived in Adelaide for a number of years, and I remember they also used British terms like "wing mirror", "handbrake" and "accelerator". Perhaps someone from Sydney or Melbourne would use more American terms. The dog2 (talk) 23:19, 14 July 2021 (UTC)[]
Yes, it does. Not car related, but harbor is spelt harbor in SA, most notably Victor Harbor. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 23:46, 14 July 2021 (UTC)[]

──────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────── @SHB2000: Actually not, in my experience. The use of American spelling in "Victor Harbor" is actually a misspelling that stuck. In all other circumstances, the "harbour" spelling is used. The dog2 (talk) 00:09, 15 July 2021 (UTC)[]

Outer Harbor? SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 00:10, 15 July 2021 (UTC)[]
Also mind that there's only two harbors in SA, unless Vaticidalprophet knows of any more. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 00:11, 15 July 2021 (UTC)[]

Just a heads up[edit]

ArticCynda has said they will come back in September on voy:fr:Discussion utilisateur:ArticCynda (I know you can read french :) ) per the standard offer offered on enwikipedia, while earlier claiming they're "on a six month break". Just a heads up to when he comes back in two months time. Already let Ground Zero know, but your the second most user who's dealt with him, I thought I'll let you know as well. Cheers, SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 09:20, 19 July 2021 (UTC)[]

Also pinging @Ikan Kekek: and I'm too exhausted to write another talk page message. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 09:21, 19 July 2021 (UTC)[]
Awesome, I can't wait. Cheers, ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 09:31, 19 July 2021 (UTC)[]
tbh I can't believe why he still thinks he's not indef banned. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 09:33, 19 July 2021 (UTC)[]
And a countdown here SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 09:34, 19 July 2021 (UTC)[]

Weird spellings[edit]

Thanks for the fix. I don't understand how I ended up writing in that way, I thought I didn't. –LPfi (talk) 10:19, 22 July 2021 (UTC)[]

It's okay! It's always easier to spot other people's typos than your own.--ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 11:05, 22 July 2021 (UTC)[]
But it is funny how you think you write one thing and have your fingers write something else. –LPfi (talk) 11:17, 22 July 2021 (UTC)[]

Malay days of the week[edit]

Ahad comes from Arabic, meaning "First"; folks in rural Terengganu where I used to live sometimes called it "Hari Satu" (Day One) in Malay. The pattern is the same through Sabtu ("Sixth"). So I think the order from Sunday-Saturday was the right order. Besides, weekends in Malaysia are Friday-Saturday. Why did you change it in the Malay phrasebook? Ikan Kekek (talk) 20:22, 24 July 2021 (UTC)[]

Oh, also, if that phrasebook should be demoted to usable, please post on its talk page what you feel needs to be improved. Thanks a lot! Ikan Kekek (talk) 20:24, 24 July 2021 (UTC)[]
In English the week generally starts on Monday, so that's the order we should use on an English-language guide. The significance on the days being in numerical order is important to those who speak Malay, but you have to imagine that doesn't include users of that phrasebook. But change the order back if you think it makes more sense, as I've neither been to Malaysia nor speak the language.
I gave my reason for the demotion in the edit summary: a lot of the phrases are missing a pronunciation guide. This is not actually in the guidelines, but perhaps it should be? --ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 20:31, 24 July 2021 (UTC)[]
Yes, if we want to use that standard, I think it should be added. I can add a note stating that the days of the week in Malaysia start on Sunday and that the weekend is Friday-Saturday. I think that's useful information for foreigners to know. Ikan Kekek (talk) 20:38, 24 July 2021 (UTC)[]
Yes it is useful, thank you for the intro. And I agree that the local order is more important than ours. Readers will find Monday without it coming first, but they may get confused by Monday being called Day two. The risk of that confusion is less if we use all hints we can to have the reader get it. –LPfi (talk) 20:52, 24 July 2021 (UTC)[]
Sure thing. By the way, in the U.S., it's not uncommon to consider that the week begins on Sunday. I'd say that's especially common for Jews and Seventh Day Adventists, but of course we collectively represent a small percentage of the population; however, you'll often see general-purpose calendars, including Google Calendar, start each week on Sunday. Ikan Kekek (talk) 22:48, 24 July 2021 (UTC)[]
That explanation certainly makes things clearer. Ikan, do you reckon you'd be able to add the missing pronunciations? Because other than those, that phrasebook should really be a guide. The reason I was looking at the page was that French Wikivoyage didn't have a Malay phrasebook which seemed like a glaring omission, so I'm using our rather good one as a template to translate.--ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 23:23, 24 July 2021 (UTC)[]
I will try to get to this. There are a few words someone else added that I don't know or that weren't in common use where I lived in the 70s, though I should still be able to approximate the pronunciation, as Malay is a phonetic language. Ikan Kekek (talk) 23:30, 24 July 2021 (UTC)[]
Great! I may then be able to "translate" English pseudo-pronunciations into French ones (perhaps easier said than done).--ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 23:44, 24 July 2021 (UTC)[]
My knowledge of French is decent, so I might be able to help with that, too. Ikan Kekek (talk) 23:46, 24 July 2021 (UTC)[]

About artcile Greece in Wikivoyage[edit]

Why do you hide the fact that the measures also concern tourists ?? It is not self-evident for some readers here that the measures also apply to tourists. You need to know that what you are doing is misinformation. You should undo it immediately or I will ask for your blocking for misinformation and vandalism. —The preceding comment was added by Green Duke Italia (talkcontribs)

No threats please. Several editors disagree with you on your edits, so taking it to the talk page before trying to reinsert them would be prudent. –LPfi (talk) 16:22, 28 July 2021 (UTC)[]
I had no idea what "The fines are €300 and the above concerns and the tourists" was supposed to mean. Fortunately, user:SelfieCity seemed to understand your intended meaning better. But perhaps next time you can phrase your writing more clearly? --ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 16:46, 28 July 2021 (UTC)[]
As I have said, no personal opinions are welcome into articlespace. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 21:41, 28 July 2021 (UTC)[]
Also I quote the following:

You should undo it immediately or I will ask for your blocking for misinformation and vandalism.

Assume good faith. And plus, no one will block tt! for reverting that edit. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 22:22, 28 July 2021 (UTC)[][edit]

Probably just Wikinger (who is officially banned by the WMF) so I blocked that IP and revdeled that edit. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 09:42, 30 July 2021 (UTC)[]

Okay, thanks.--ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 10:37, 30 July 2021 (UTC)[]


Quite off topic on content, but you've got a second person who's copied something off your userpage. (here) Quite interesting how my userpage, which is copied off numerous users, is getting copied off by someone else. What's the term for that? SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 10:20, 1 August 2021 (UTC)[]

They say imitation is the highest form of flattery.--ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 10:34, 1 August 2021 (UTC)[]
What's quite hilarious is that they didn't even bother to change the links... But I've changed the email the user feature so emails don't go to me. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 10:40, 1 August 2021 (UTC)[]

Australian National Parks[edit]

Regarding the thread about the national parks at the pub, here's an article that might be of interest to why there's so (too) many national parks in Australia. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 00:09, 2 August 2021 (UTC)[]

Finally got around to reading that. It was interesting, though it would be important that a 'downgrade' to state park didn't mean less stringent protection.--ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 19:41, 3 August 2021 (UTC)[]
Yeah, although I wonder what'll be with the existing state parks. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 22:12, 3 August 2021 (UTC)[]
Cough cough... Not surprised when there's 2sq km national parks... SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 00:07, 18 August 2021 (UTC)[]

Interface admin[edit]

I'm wondering whether I should sign up for it. We don't have any active interface admins apart from WOSlinker, and I have to a certain extend, a good knowledge of css (on a babel scale, it'd be a css-3). I haven't edited any css pages though, and that's because I haven't really had the need to before, but considering the lack of technical people meaning we have to get someone from another wiki, I thought I might sign up for one, but wanted to ask another person's opinion first. Cheers, --SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 12:47, 10 August 2021 (UTC)[]

I assume this is to become a local interface admin, rather than a global interface editor? What would you use the extra tools for and how do you think they'd benefit Wikivoyage?
To be honest I'd be cautious about granting you any additional rights for now, as in addition to the issue about templates which is hopefully going to be resolved, you've made a couple of decisions since becoming administrator that I and some others have found questionable. These have already been discussed on your talk page so there's no point going over them again, and I'm sure you have learnt and will continue to learn from them, but I also think they show you still have room to grow in your existing role as administrator.
Just picking up on user:SelfieCity's latest comment on your talk page, he is right that you do a hell of a lot already, not just on en.wikivoyage, but on various corners of the Wikimedia movement. From personal experience, it's definitely possible to do too much and neglect other aspects of your life: not for the first time, I found just a few months ago that I was spending hours and hours each day on Wikivoyage, but achieving very little in terms of travel guide output to the point where I wasn't getting much enjoyment from it at all, and with a detrimental impact on my work and social lives. When this happens, I take a step back, reduce my WV hours and try to make those that I do spend actually count. This may not relevant to you right now, but you might find it becomes relevant in the future if you take on too much in one go.--ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 16:18, 10 August 2021 (UTC)[]
Yes. I'd note that you became admin only a few weeks ago, and that you weren't active on Wikivoyage before 2021. While I appreciate the consideration, I think we should wait a little to let you gain more admin experience before giving interface admin rights. --Comment by Selfie City (talk | contributions) 16:22, 10 August 2021 (UTC)[]
Yeah, probably. I'm just more active these days because of lockdown here. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 22:20, 10 August 2021 (UTC)[]


FYI: Pings won't work if you don't add a signature. So if you made a typo, and fix it on, it won't work (I've forgot the exclamation mark in your username at times and added a space in SelfieCity's username, or held the shift bar too long in LPfi's username). SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 12:02, 14 August 2021 (UTC)[]

I know, it's annoying. That's why I tagged SC in my edit summary the second time around.--ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 12:04, 14 August 2021 (UTC)[]
I remember 82 forgetting the exclamation mark all the time, when they were around. Also find that not being able to ping IPs are annoying. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 12:10, 14 August 2021 (UTC)[]
On one or two other wikis I use the space. The name was an in-joke with a friend, and when I created an account I had no idea what username to give myself so I went with something meaningless. There should be a suggestions box when you ping someone as you enter that user’s username. --Comment by Selfie City (talk | contributions) 12:20, 14 August 2021 (UTC)[]
I've always wondered why the MediaWiki software doesn't have that. On some programs that allow you to code css and html, you'd get a suggestions box when typing context in it. The only problem is with the automatic spell checker that it only allows British and American english, and so I just picked British and it'll autocorrect it from -ed to -t for some words (like learned). Now go with American and now it autocorrects the -ize and -yze spellings, which is useful in some contexts (like sanitized, but also annoying when it comes to others like realise, to the point where I've just stuck with American english) SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 00:33, 15 August 2021 (UTC)[]

kg spelling in the UK[edit]

Is it kilogram or kilogramme? Similarly is gram spelt gram or gramme? Thanks! SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 01:57, 17 August 2021 (UTC)[]

Both are accepted, though "(kilo)gram" is more common.--ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 09:07, 17 August 2021 (UTC)[]
Thanks! I thought kilogram was universal, until I read w:New Zealand english. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 09:18, 17 August 2021 (UTC)[]

Reverts for the templates[edit]

Hi tt!, just wanted to ask if you can not revert anymore of those templates. The reason is because I'm still developing them, and wanted to have examples of both British and American spelling, as well as 12 and 24. Thanks! (Although Talk:Indonesia and Talk:Malaysia have it all, sort of) Thanks SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 09:17, 17 August 2021 (UTC)[]

Which part of "Before a new MediaWiki template is put into general use it needs to be discussed and accepted as good or preferably best practice. Until such acceptance, new templates should not be added to more than one low-visibility article" are you finding difficult to follow? If you want to practise with different formats, do it in your userspace. I've been waiting a week for you to handle this removal, after you said you would, but you haven't removed a single page from Special:WhatLinksHere/Template:Formatbox since then.
Alternatively, start the discussion that aims to get this template approved ASAP, and then we won't need to remove anything.--ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 09:28, 17 August 2021 (UTC)[]
It is still a work in progress, but I'll announce it soon, I'm still drafting the proposal. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 09:37, 17 August 2021 (UTC)[]

Block for[edit]

You mentioned in the reason for the block as "VOA", but what does it mean? Never heard of it. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 09:22, 18 August 2021 (UTC)[]

Voice of America. :-) -- Ikan Kekek (talk) 09:25, 18 August 2021 (UTC)[]
Vandalism only account.--ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 09:34, 18 August 2021 (UTC)[]
I've requested a global block because they've also been on Wikibooks, Wikiversity and Wikidata. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 09:47, 18 August 2021 (UTC)[]

Userbox suggestion[edit]

Having just noticed you edit your userpage, thought you may be interested in inserting this userbox:

|id=[[File:Flag of Europe.svg|50px]]
|info=This user has had their '''[[Brexit|European citizenship stripped]]''' as part of Brexit.


Flag of Europe.svg This user has had their European citizenship stripped as part of Brexit.

Just a suggestion, nothing a must. (Is there also a reason why there aren't much userboxes here on en.voy?) SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 12:21, 20 August 2021 (UTC)[]

Ha, good one :-) Actually, I already made something similar to that for my Wikipedia page, but have no plans to start a collection of userboxes on my page here.--ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 13:53, 20 August 2021 (UTC)[]
Same. Not going to have an endless list (which I copied off yours) of userboxes. Although I might create some travel related userboxes here (such as National Parks for Europe and North America (not going to make 685 boxes for Australia though), or countries visited.) SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 23:35, 20 August 2021 (UTC)[]

Docent question for Hampshire[edit]

You'd probably think that you'd get a docent question from me, but in Hampshire in the listing for Aldershot it says:

The "Home of the British Army" has two good military museums.

and the listing for Farnborough says

The "Birthplace of British Aviation" is still home to the biennial International Air Show and a super little aerospace museum.

However how can the military capital be in two places? (unless I'm missing something, because non commercial aviation is connected to the military all the time in Australia) Just wondering. Thanks! SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 08:29, 23 August 2021 (UTC)[]

You'd probably think that you'd get a docent question from me...

- only because you titled this section 'Docent question for Hampshire'!
Yes, you're missing something key, by conflating the army with the military. The British Army, like any army, is primarily a land-based force, mainly composed of infantry regiments (i.e. foot soldiers) and cavalry regiments (i.e. armoured vehicle-based soldiers, who before the invention of the combustion engine fought on horseback). Some army regiments work with aircraft and ships, but just as maritime defence and sea-based warfare is almost exclusively the responsibility of the Royal Navy, the main air-based fighting force is the Royal Air Force. All three make up the British Armed Forces, or "the military" as a whole; there is exactly the same setup in your country with the RAAF and RAN, which are distinct from the Australian Army, but together make up the Australian Defence Force.
Aldershot is called the "home of the British Army" because of its 170-year long association with the army. It was the first permanent training camp for the army and even now is one of the UK's largest garrisons. Farnborough doesn't have any direct connection with the RAF but it is the place where the British aviation sector (both civil and military) was born and where many landmark developments were made, particularly in the early- to mid-20th century.
Does that answer your question? --ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 14:13, 23 August 2021 (UTC)[]
Thanks for the response. Makes sense to me. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 22:14, 23 August 2021 (UTC)[]

Belatedly reading some meta WV discussions[edit]


I liked your rhetorical guesses in and the follow up meta discussion in, i.e.

As an ex-CouchSurfer (moved to BeWelcome some 4 years ago) and ex EnWikipedian etc., I am grinning while typing this on a mobile, as I recognze some patterns that fascinate me:

  1. "Thus they gain shortcut privileges as a VestedContributor."

- see the "Unblockables" on enwiki, after a couple of wikidramahs to gain these

  1. 'A WikiMindWipe is one way to assert the RightToVanish"

- the fake CleanStarts come to mind

  1. "a mature person will also post a GoodBye with an essay"

- I do not consider myself mature, but indeed I had posted one on CS (a short one: "Commercialized now, so let us move out!" which then happened en masse as you know, in 2020) and on a WP language wiki half a year ago (a longer one).

  1. "But here we're talking about ForkingOfOnlineCommunities"

- see this very WV project

  1. " they continue to contribute with a SockPuppet account, c) they want to see whether the community will start questioning their disappearance."

- almost all the LTAs I know of...

  1. "...but still care about the community, possibly becoming a lurker and only contributing in certain situations..."

- A grin again: I am a self-declared (and "essayed") lurker at one of the WP wikis (waiting for some years, until a convoluted LTA affair is fully dealt with there)

  1. "Only the wisest communities have the strength and perceptiveness to learn from departures. "

- So true. I am interacting now with an Oxford researcher who is conducting a formal study of one of the WM wikis about this topic. But indeed, we need more "exit interviews", if only to learn of LTAS' hurt feelings and their murky souls. There is one I found but only for WMF staff : (and seemingly empty)

Bows Zezen (talk) 05:45, 24 August 2021 (UTC)[]

Hi there. Glad you found some interesting in digging through old conversations. I sometimes find myself doing the same, particularly when it gets late at night...--ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 16:02, 24 August 2021 (UTC)[]

City of Tromsø[edit]

Hello User:ThunderingTyphoons!. By viewing trough the 'view history' part of Tromsø / [[1]] I notice you have made the most recent major contributions (sept21). This is a page I also have an interest in revising. Being from the High North of Norway and reading the WikiVoyaga-page, I for example recognize a festival that seized to exist back in 2013 (Døgnvill). There are also minor pieces of information that are no longer relevant. I am fairly new to editing on WikiVoyage, and a WP user for about a year now.

After what I see from the 'view history', I was thinking that you, alongside voyage users such as User:Erik_den_yngre could aid me in revising this page. Thanks In advance, also If I don't respond within a month or two, then please leave a discussion at my talk-page over at english or norwegian WikiPedia.

--Mathias -Ahoy (talk) 22:24, 7 September 2021 (UTC)[]

@Mathias -Ahoy: plunge forward. I probably don't know which festival it was, unless it happens in the winter. (last time I went was in 2018 to Tromsø, and I don't remember a festival or that going on). If you think it should be listed, just add it in the go section. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 23:00, 7 September 2021 (UTC)[]
The autumn festival that used to be arranged in september. But as mentioned, that stopped around the year 2013. Døgnvill was the name of the festival m:User:SHB2000. As for the other concerts, I will take the advice and continue my discussion in Talk:Tromsø. Are you well known in Tromsø's cultural life, although not living there User:SHB2000?|-- 12:30, 12 September 2021 (UTC)[]
No, never lived in Tromsø or even the northern hemisphere for that matter, just stayed there once for quite some time. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 12:32, 12 September 2021 (UTC)[]
I must say SHB2000, you are so quick to reply. I have now made an edit on Talk:Tromsø. It's a city that certainly attracts a lot of tourists, something that the extensive page reflects --Mathias -Ahoy (talk) 14:32, 12 September 2021 (UTC)
Hi @Mathias -Ahoy: I don't know that I'd characterise my edits to that page as major, and don't have any connection with or particular knowledge of Tromsø. That said, Wikivoyage is always in need of knowledgable travellers and locals to improve our articles, so please do take the advice of my friend above and plunge forward with the improvements that you'd like to make.
I'll be intermittently available for the next couple of weeks because I'm on my holidays, so if you need editing advice you're probably best asking Erik_den_yngre, or posting on Talk:Tromsø, or in the Arrivals lounge (where new Wikivoyagers can ask for help). If there's anything I can help with towards the end of the month, don't hesitate to message me again. All the best, ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 16:08, 8 September 2021 (UTC)[]

Edit summary[edit]

I'm a little confused when you mentioned in Special:Diff/4296266 on "Please stop editing and reediting the 'Stay safe' section of Brussels". It does seem to have a little history with this IP user, but what is wrong with this IP to plunge forward? (or am I missing something, which I probably am) SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 04:27, 22 September 2021 (UTC)[]

Someone (possibly several people, but most likely one person across multiple IPs) has been writing and rewriting that safety section every few weeks or months for what seems like years. It must be the most-edited Stay safe section on Wikivoyage: if it's not perfect by now, it'll never be perfect. There's plunging forward on the one hand, and there's needlessly obsessing over one small topic on the other.--ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 21:23, 22 September 2021 (UTC)[]
Yep, okay makes sense now. Just needed some context to understand. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 22:37, 22 September 2021 (UTC)[]
I'd say it isn't perfect at all. I don't know how long the edits have been reverted, but I suspect odd bits can have been introduced in some of them. Do we have somebody trusted who knows Brussels? Now it is a bit like "the town is totally safe, only that you really should think about where you go, and take care regardless". –LPfi (talk) 04:50, 23 September 2021 (UTC)[]
I don't know anyone from Brussels, nor anyone who knows it well apart from fr.voy admin Omondi as well as banned user ArticCynda (in which he plans to block evade in two days time as per this), but at the same time, I'm not inclined to trust this IP user. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 04:58, 23 September 2021 (UTC)[]
Me neither (and I wouldn't trust AC on this). The problem is I don't trust the current version either. And I see nothing on the theme in the French or Dutch versions, which otherwise could be used for comparison. –LPfi (talk) 05:09, 23 September 2021 (UTC)[]