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Hi, there. If you'd like to discuss anything with me, please post new topics at the bottom of the page and sign the posts with 4 tildes (the ~ key) in a row. Thanks! Currently inactive discussions can be found here:

Canadian spelling[edit]

Happy new year, my friend. Thank you for this edit. Canada uses w:Canadian spelling, which is a mix of British and US spelling. In the case of the edit you reverted, you were correct: all of the words are spelled the British way in Canada, although this is not always true. We use US spellings for the "-ize" words, and for some others like "tire" and "program". Regards, Ground Zero (talk) 02:34, 4 January 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]

  • may we all have a happy one, GZ! Thanks for this update, I was really unaware about this. Cheers, --Ibaman (talk) 19:07, 4 January 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Australian protection[edit]

I see that you protected Australia for more than a week. I cannot see any significant amount of reverts in the newer edits, but rather quite many edits to improve the article – i.e. it is not stable either. Is there some specific reason? I think we should welcome Australian editors, and I think there might be a chance to get more of them with the recent activity by a few. Is there something that I have missed? –LPfi (talk) 14:54, 5 March 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]

  • yeah, an anonymous IP number was keen on changing "Uluru" to "Ayers Rock", I know the modus operandi and opted to prevent further changes rather than engaging in discussion. I hit "one week" specifically, how odd that it came differently. That's what happened. I won't mind having the article de-protected as of this moment. Ibaman (talk) 16:19, 5 March 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    • OK, thanks for the explanation. I de-protect it now and hope the person won't insist. –LPfi (talk) 19:45, 5 March 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]

FYI on spambots[edit]

Please have a look at User talk:Ikan Kekek#Spambots, because that thread bears on one of your moderation decisions.

All the best,

Ikan Kekek (talk) 19:01, 15 March 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Diving in Plakias[edit]


I’ve just noticed your edit deleting a dive centre from Plakias. At first I thought, yeah, this entry looks out of place, but having checked their website I noticed one of their diving locations is near Plakias — I guess, they have an office in Rethymno since that’s where tourists often come from (we also stayed in Rethymno for one night before going south). So maybe it’d make sense to bring it back and de-tout it.

Also, thanks for copyediting my entries :)

Andrej Shadura (talk) 15:18, 17 June 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]


Not reliable or something. Highjumpermsu (talk) 18:17, 12 July 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]

We don’t link to Tripadvisor reviews because of that, yes, and also because we need to provide reviews on our own site. See Wikivoyage:What not to link to. --Comment by Selfie City (talk | contributions) 19:10, 12 July 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]
The policy on other travel guide sites and sites with non-professional reviews is laid out at Wikivoyage:External links. Ikan Kekek (talk) 19:51, 12 July 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]

FYI IP address at Vava'u = Brendan[edit]

2001:8000:1a9a:5100:b031:697:2420:a1df is just Brendan now trying to use an IP instead of accounts. It geolocates to the Brisbane/Sunshine Coast (about 50km apart), so it's probably him ban evading. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 21:45, 13 July 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]

And the one you just reverted is another LTA (long term abuser). Any links to an “archive” website are likely just disruptive editing from a particular LTA. --Comment by Selfie City (talk | contributions) 16:51, 26 July 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]
That's Ljupco (w:en:WP:LTA/GRP) a WMF banned user who has served 3 years in jail for electrical harassment. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 01:05, 27 July 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]


FYI: Just protected it for a month from those touts. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 12:51, 10 August 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]


Hey, Ibaman! I haven't seen much of you lately, but glad to see you're still checking in to WV and hope you're doing alright.

I saw those edits on Cambridge earlier and thought they were borderline touty, but wasn't too sure so left them unpatrolled. Getting a second opinion (even if you didn't know you were giving a second opinion!) is reassuring, so thank you for that ;-) All the best, ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 16:24, 10 August 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]

  • Lately I haven´t had much time to edit properly, but I´m always around, watching and taking necessary action. Can´t stand being too far from our beloved travel guide :D All the best to you too! Ibaman (talk) 16:40, 10 August 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Usernames with the following set of Cyrillic letters[edit]

Any user with the string "Шумских Эмма" is an LTA (aka the Cyrillic letter LTA). So I've blocked them and reported them to m:SRG but just letting you know because you left them a message asking them to post in English. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 13:39, 12 August 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply][edit]

I'm not sure if that's a spambot. It looks more a tout to me. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 11:13, 1 October 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]


Bro youve never been to SA but you're making an edit on the SA page Dopekid3557 (talk) 22:26, 12 October 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]

If we relied solely on local expertise, Wikivoyage would have a small fraction of the content that it has. Ground Zero (talk) 00:04, 13 October 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]


Thanks for the edits bro Dopekid3557 (talk) 22:58, 19 December 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]

How we will see unregistered users[edit]


You get this message because you are an admin on a Wikimedia wiki.

When someone edits a Wikimedia wiki without being logged in today, we show their IP address. As you may already know, we will not be able to do this in the future. This is a decision by the Wikimedia Foundation Legal department, because norms and regulations for privacy online have changed.

Instead of the IP we will show a masked identity. You as an admin will still be able to access the IP. There will also be a new user right for those who need to see the full IPs of unregistered users to fight vandalism, harassment and spam without being admins. Patrollers will also see part of the IP even without this user right. We are also working on better tools to help.

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We have two suggested ways this identity could work. We would appreciate your feedback on which way you think would work best for you and your wiki, now and in the future. You can let us know on the talk page. You can write in your language. The suggestions were posted in October and we will decide after 17 January.

Thank you. /Johan (WMF)

18:14, 4 January 2022 (UTC)

Calico Yacht Charter listing[edit]

How are you doing, Ibaman? I was just looking at User talk:Ckurcz89, and they referred to their last attempt at a listing. It actually looks fine to me. What do you feel the issue was with that version?

All the best,

Ikan Kekek (talk) 15:21, 4 February 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

hi IK, and happy birthday! Things are more or less fine down here. This edit was somewhat an "autopilot" situation per Apt and WV:Tour and "luxury service private transfers" which I'm always glad to remove. It's good to have second opinions regarding these removals. I'll re-revert. Live long and prosper! Ibaman (talk) 17:07, 4 February 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Thank you. I'm glad things are OK where you are. Ikan Kekek (talk) 17:44, 4 February 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]


I'm new here :) I see you've edited a number of my edits. That's fine! I'm bound to make mistakes as I learn the ropes. Any advice or tips you can give me? I'm so excited to be a part of this incredible community. Travel is something I'm truly passionate about and it's so amazing to help work on this incredible resource. Dayton Kingery (talk) 09:18, 16 February 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Pacific Crest Trail[edit]

Your reversion is wrong because it imparts a wrong idea. The PCT follows the crest of the mountains that climax the western cordillera which happens to drain mostly into the Pacific Ocean. But it does not "extend along" the coast! We must prevent our tourists from mistakenly looking for a trailhead of the PCT in the Coast Ranges. Furthermore, a judicious alternative use of a gerund is in fact "tighter and better" although slightly longer as the sentence as a whole gains by being factual rather than vague and wrong-ish. Kurnkerner (talk) 02:31, 9 March 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

A doubt[edit]

Hello sir! May I know why did you remove the Meitei transliterations (held within parentheses) at your last edit in the page Panthoibi. It's in the first paragraph of your editing version. Haoreima (talk) 14:25, 23 March 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

  • They don't show properly on the screen. The script is unneeded. This is not WikiReligion, this is a travel guide. Ibaman (talk) 14:27, 23 March 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]


Sorry. i don't know how that happened. I think i was adding content as you were deleting the page. So i was so confused. When i saved the page I saw no history, only my one edit. I'll keep working on it, if that's okay. --The Eloquent Peasant (talk) 19:20, 30 March 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

  • It was marked "vfd" so I deleted it as I do usually with articles marked "vfd". I'm the one who's confused. Ibaman (talk) 19:25, 30 March 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Would you like to restore the deleted edits? Ikan Kekek (talk) 19:42, 30 March 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@The Eloquent Peasant Done SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 20:29, 30 March 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@SHB2000. Thank you. I think Orocovis is worth saving because there is a lot to see there. --The Eloquent Peasant (talk) 23:02, 30 March 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@The Eloquent Peasant No probs. I'm not sure why it was speedily deleted as even if it were to be deleted, it has not been 14 days of discussion, and it was not a speedy deletion request. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 05:01, 31 March 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

"too encyclopaedic for a travel guide" in Nagaland[edit]

Hey Ibaman, hope you're doing well. Regarding this edit on Nagaland, I think it's still worth mentioning the tribes of Nagaland. I guess the table format was kinda encyclopedic, but for what it's worth, it's often useful (but not necessary) knowing the tribes of a place when visiting. Best, --SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 14:57, 25 April 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

  • Hi! Doing well really, thanks. What I thought on seeing the article was, besides being too encyclopaedic, that table makes the page ugly, style-wise. If you think it's really necessary, by all means, revert my edit please, and later we'll worry about the style. Ibaman (talk) 15:12, 25 April 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    I agree that tables aren't the best (and I even made a thread on the pub a while ago, which has now been swept here) and I think they also distort the screen on mobile view too. I was just wondering if it were to make more sense if it were written in two sentences. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 15:16, 25 April 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Is knowing the names of the tribes useful? I think it is much more important to tell that there are tribes, the relationship between them, and the relation to the non-tribal society. Is there anything on them one should add to Respect? If the individual tribes are important, then there needs to be at least a sentence on each. –LPfi (talk) 16:54, 25 April 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Map in the Dubrovnik article[edit]

The map in 'Get In' shows everything interesting in the Old town. that's why it's called 'Map of the Old town'

But Dubrovnik has more districts to offer. That is what the map in 'See' shows: The whole city. So the reader does not need to zoom out the map in 'Get around'. And that's why that map is called "Map of Dubrovnik" as it shows the whole city Flightnavigator (talk) 17:31, 4 May 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

  • Now the article has two maps. Previously, there were three. It's too much, really. The map is zoomable, and moreover, it appears whenever a marker is clicked, regardless of whether the artile has the map showing. Per Image policy, let's not keep repeating maps. Ibaman (talk) 17:43, 4 May 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
it's not repeating maps. just giving the reader the right perspectives of the city so the reader does not need to manually adjust a map. Flightnavigator (talk) 21:47, 4 May 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Edits to Lanark[edit]

Thank you for your edits to the Lanark article. Could I ask, though, that you don't rearrange the Get around section again; New Lanark is a village near to Lanark but is not part of Lanark. It is close by, though, and is a UNESCO World Heritage Site so many visitors to Lanark go to New Lanark as well, that's why I included directions in a separate section. Adam Black talkcontributions 06:41, 8 June 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Regarding Monte Kaolino[edit]

There's already an entry for Monte Kaolino in Upper Palatinate's see section, which is why I added it in do. The nearest city is Hirschau, which doesn't yet have an article so I couldn't stick it in there per wycsi. I checked this before creating the entry. Yes the website is in German, but they don't have an English one. Maybe change it to something more suitable? KaraLG84 (talk) 18:11, 13 June 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

  • Thanks for your concern. I'd rather wait for the community to review this edit and express more opinions about it. Ibaman (talk) 18:27, 13 June 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    That's ok. KaraLG84 (talk) 22:29, 13 June 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Mentioning local specialties in "Eat"[edit]

That shouldn't be the only content in "Eat," but it's on-topic and helpful, and see Wikivoyage:Small city article template#Eat:

"Mention any local specialties or oddities."

All the best,

Ikan Kekek (talk) 16:18, 21 June 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

5 Minutes from X Station[edit]

I noticed you deleted directions that stated what the nearest station was and how far on foot a location was in this edit [1]. It is actually very useful to know what the nearest station is and how far the attraction is. It's very typical of Japanese attractions (even in Japanese). I'm not sure why you don't think it's helpful, but please don't delete this kind of information. ChubbyWimbus (talk) 11:40, 8 July 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

  • yeah, "a 5-min walk in the northwest direction" is useful; "a 5-min walk through Main Street" is too; "a 5-min walk" is not. I hope you can agree with me on this. However, I'll mind your suggestion from now on. Ibaman (talk) 11:51, 8 July 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
For directions, distance is always a better indicator than time.--ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 11:53, 8 July 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
"A 5 minute walk" doesn't take you there, but it lets you know whether or not it is a reasonable distance for you. I agree that a "5 minute walk northwest" is slightly more helpful, but a "5 minute walk" is more helpful than deleting everything. Even "Accessible from X Station" is a lot more helpful than nothing at all. I find distance makes sense for driving directions but time makes the most sense for walking. When walking, people want to know how long it will take. I don't know anyone who calculates the actual metric distance of a place from a station. Time seems way more accessible for readers and editors for walking distances. ChubbyWimbus (talk) 13:51, 8 July 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Distance is objective; time is not. In 5 minutes' walking (when I know where I'm going) I can cover ½ mile; in the same time my father could cover ¼ mile, while a friend of mine could do ¾ mile. If I'm being a tourist somewhere, and have my map and camera out, that same ½ mile might take me 15 minutes. If I'm late for a meeting, perhaps I'd run a mile in 5 minutes! In some cities, depending on the time of day you can spend 2-3 minutes just crossing one road, which reduces the distance you can cover in 5 minutes... You get the point.
Wikivoyage should present accurate information to suit all types of travellers, not just those of the same fitness level as the author. That is true accessibility, in my view. --ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 14:40, 8 July 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I don't think "5 min walk" is as subjective as you're pretending it is. If someone is lost, walks with a cane, etc. they will know that it may take longer for them. You have to assume travelers are pretty stupid to think that they don't understand that running is faster than walking or that stopping and just standing somewhere isn't walking. You're acting like people who see "10 min walk from X Station" will read that and think that they could alternatively just stand outside the station and the destination will magically appear in front of them after the 10 minute timespan. That's not how anyone thinks. You can also take into account stoplights/typical traffic and terrain in an estimate which raw distance won't show, so walking estimates would be superior in that regard. It also takes into account the actual way will get there, which a raw "233 meters" probably doesn't, especially if you're expecting the traveler to come up with such numbers. It's neither mysterious nor difficult to understand walking distance. It's very simple, easy, and helpful, even for those who know they are generally faster/slower paced. Like I said, it's how all guides in Japan describe distance from stations when it is walkable, and I don't think it's due to Japanese having exceptional intelligence or reasoning capabilities compared with the rest of the world that makes it possible for them to understand and make use of such information. Walking distance isn't a WV creation. It's used commonly, and has carried over into digital directions. Looking at our star articles, most just say the nearest station with no further details, but when they give distance, I see what I've outlined (10 minute walk from X Station) but I haven't seen what you state ("321 meters from X Station"), so it's clear that walking distance is acceptable and doesn't need to be changed or deleted. ChubbyWimbus (talk) 05:32, 9 July 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I think the biggest problems with walk times is that on a site like this, it is impossible to keep any standard. Some will think a kilometre can be covered in ten minutes, some think it takes 20 min, some will use their experience from the place, some "five minutes" will be written by touts. "Five minutes" still says something: it probably won't take more that 15 minutes with light luggage. If there is a standard for Japan, by all means use it, and please explain it in Japan#By foot. In Norway, hike durations are stated by DNT as hours: brisk walking by a fit hiker, breaks not counted. You could easily use double the time, but if you know the standard you just do your maths. I wouldn't use those times here unexplained. –LPfi (talk) 07:31, 11 July 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]


My grammar isn't that best. 18:12, 26 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Edit summaries[edit]

While I agree with your reversion, I ask that you be less angry in your edit summaries. It does not make Wikivoyage better, especially when deslingbwith a constructive editor. Also, Las Vegas International Airport is in Paradise, Nevada, not in Las Vegas. I know that I have made angry edit summaries in the past, but I am trying notvyo do that anymore. I hope you will try too. Ground Zero (talk) 15:54, 5 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

  • Roger that. Will comply. I was getting tired of reverting so many "located"s as well, but this seems taken care of. Ibaman (talk) 16:04, 5 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Vacation rental in Park City, Utah[edit]

Hi, Ibaman. I understand why you made this edit. However, I think it's OK to list a vacation rental service as long as it has a description of "Vacation rental service" and contact information, if we're going to list vacation rentals in that city at all (noting that Park City Vacation Rentals is listed). If we aren't listing those per apt, please put a message on the user's user talk page when you can, explaining to them what they did wrong and what they might be able to do to fix it. Thanks! Ikan Kekek (talk) 17:37, 7 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]


Oi, Ibaman! Where are these on Words to avoid?

  • "excellent hospitality"
  • "picturesque place"
  • "Delicious and generous dishes"
  • "Warm welcome"
  • "his cooking [is] a delight"
  • "[the burritos are] more authentic here [than the big chains]
  • "the atmosphere is friendly"

Sorry, that was a trick question: they're not there! ;-)

I find the above very normal expressions for Wikivoyage, and have certainly used variations of almost all of them.

The only bit you removed that is on the list is "[one of the] best". Perhaps the "adorable" owner is also overkill, but maybe he really is very cute? I think he's allowed "delightful" cooking, though, whatever his true appearance.

Saperlipopette ! --ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 20:02, 12 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]


Ibaman, I'm concerned that you deleted the Disney travel topic without discussion, or even notifying me, the author of the article. You may disagree that it's a valid travel topic, but that's a topic for a discussion, not unilateral deletion. I've restored the page for now; if you'd still like to remove it from Wikivoyage, please start a VfD discussion. Powers (talk) 13:29, 16 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

  • No contest. It was excessive from my part indeed. Sorry for the unpleasantness of my action. Ibaman (talk) 13:45, 16 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Question about monitoring IP edits.[edit]

 Not an offense, but can you explain why you would monitor each IP they edit? I want to know of why you pay attention to IP edits instead of user's edits, even though it is a page with few edits or infrequently updated. 16:32, 23 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

  • I'm an admin here. I monitor ALL edits. That's what admins do. Ibaman (talk) 16:40, 23 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

edits has been reverted[edit]

I added this to: Amsterdam because it was missing in the list of all the available canal cruises. If it's to commercial I can change the text. It's not a commercial intention.

  • Canal Motorboats. The oldest boat rental in Amsterdam where you can pilot the boat yourself.

~~~~ Renataheroes (talk) 13:24, 27 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Yeah, they are too many of these in this page. Per WV:Be fair, I reverted myself on this edit. Ibaman (talk) 14:41, 27 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Request for a revert[edit]

Hi. I edited a wrong article.

Could you please revert my 19:13 edit in the Da Nang article? 19:23, 5 October 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Yes thank you!

Request to rename an article.[edit]


Hereby I request to change the name of the article

Puerto Rico (Spain


Puerto Rico (Spain) 12:02, 16 October 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]


I'm sure you're relieved that Bolsonaro lost and Lula won! So am I. Ikan Kekek (talk) 13:12, 31 October 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

yeah, two million votes, a tiny difference in this context, maybe the narrowest ever, as is being reckoned. I was tense until 90% votes counted. But today is another day, thank the Universe. Ibaman (talk) 23:07, 31 October 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]