User talk:Ikan Kekek

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Hello, everybody! If you'd like to discuss anything with me, please post new topics at the bottom of the page and sign the posts with 4 tildes (the ~ key) in a row. Thanks!

Currently inactive discussions can be found at User talk:Ikan Kekek/archive. Ikan Kekek (talk) 03:50, 28 March 2018 (UTC)

Double standards[edit]

I do not quite agree with your course of action on my edits regarding getting around the entrance fee in Yangon pagoda, because:

  1. WV is spotted with such advices, some even worse like the constant mentioning of facts for people without an international driving in Vietnam: "Western tourists should avoid taking a rented motorbike to the White Sand Dunes if you are not in the possession of a Vietnamese driver's license." (Mui Ne#Get around) This is serious stuff that could lead to imprisoning, and far more serious than a forced exit from a government run pagoda.
  2. Travellers should be aware that if there is a cost that there might also be an enforceable law. But it is up to them and their moral to make the judgement.
  3. Money does clearly not have any moral. Arguing on moral grounds that something has to be paid is hypocritical.
  4. If people come to Myanmar with the intention to leave as little money as possible with the current government, I reckon this is worth our support, given the injustice this government stands for.
  5. Why is it me that has to question the others on this issue when I was not the one that removed this point in the first place? It was there the whole time, no one bothered. I merely restored the status quo. Shouldn't it be you asking the others for their opinion instead of taking this decision on your own?

Ceever (talk) 11:29, 6 December 2017 (UTC)

My comments in respect of your bullet points:
(1) Irrelevant and a logical fallacy (a false equivalence)
(2) Does not support the inclusion of the content. The article states the entrance fee, and readers can still decide about paying.
(3) The first sentence make no sense and is unconnected to the deleted content. The second sentence is also flawed as the issue is the morales of promoting an illegal activity.
(4) What evidence do you have payment goes to the government and not, for example, the upkeep of the temple? Should you or others have qualms about money ending up with the government then don’t visit.
(5) Because you have repeatedly added this content and are trying to defend it. That it has previously been present is not a defence, is not how Wikis work and your argument is another logical fallacy (argument from silence) —The preceding comment was added by 103.52.228.27 (talkcontribs)
Please sign your posts on talk pages by typing 4 tildes (~) in a row at the end of each post.
My comment is that Wikivoyage:Illegal activities policy is not flexible, that this issue should be discussed at Wikivoyage talk:Illegal activities policy if you want to change that policy and at Talk:Yangon with links to at least two other threads if you want to try to attain a consensus for an exception. In no way could you have any chance of achieving a consensus by merely discussing things with me, especially as User:103.52.228.27 opposes your arguments, so even if I changed my mind (and I haven't), 2-1 is not a consensus. Also "It was there before, even though it violated Wikivoyage policy but no-one noticed it" is not a relevant argument in the face of a clear policy violation. Thanks. Ikan Kekek (talk) 17:16, 6 December 2017 (UTC)

Would you be able to look this over...[edit]

...and just reassure me that everything I'm saying here passes muster? Both in terms of being patient with inexperienced users and in terms of the nuances of our copyleft policy. Thanks. -- AndreCarrotflower (talk) 22:29, 8 December 2017 (UTC)

Seems OK to me, but I didn't have any idea that only Federal government publications were public domain. Do we have any way to know for sure that the Town of Ledgeview's Parks & Recreation Plan in particular is not in public domain? Ikan Kekek (talk) 23:03, 8 December 2017 (UTC)
According to the State Copyright Resource Center at Harvard University, there are only four states - California, Florida, Massachusetts, and Virginia - whose government documents don't fall under copyright, so it stands to reason that the legislation that grants federal government documents presumptive public-domain status doesn't also cover subnational governments. I has about as much success with my Google search for the copyright status of documents produced by the town government of Ledgeview, Wisconsin as you could imagine. Best practice in this scenario is to err on the side of caution, agreed? -- AndreCarrotflower (talk) 23:38, 8 December 2017 (UTC)
Yes. If Downspec can show clear evidence that that the documents are in fact in the public domain, though, that would be fine. Ikan Kekek (talk) 00:13, 9 December 2017 (UTC)

Moving Council to Nome Article[edit]

Good point there. The reason I created the article was that someone had created a link to the page, except that no page was there, so I created one. Feel free to merge the articles.73.223.163.36 03:25, 15 December 2017 (UTC)

Thanks. I'll take care of it when I feel up to it, or someone else will. Ikan Kekek (talk) 04:52, 15 December 2017 (UTC)

New Taipei City[edit]

Thank you for the information. I realize that cities are not broken up according to each district, but I was trying to make a start. Rather than East, West, Central etc, I was planning to slowly make distinctions according to locality and function, such as the coastal region, residential areas, industrial zones etc. However, within those categories, some districts which have more attractions, such as Jinshan, would probably be given their own article. In reality, we already have separate articles for other New Taipei districts, such as Xindian, Banqiao etc. I hope this is ok. If not, then I'll leave it. —The preceding comment was added by 111.240.211.156 (talkcontribs)

I don't know whether it's OK or not; all I'm saying is that you should discuss this at Talk:New Taipei and see if a consensus can be attained for your proposals. (And parenthetically, when you post to talk pages, please "sign" by typing 4 tildes [~] in a row at the end of each post.)
All the best,
Ikan Kekek (talk) 02:41, 17 December 2017 (UTC)

Dortmund[edit]

Dear Ikan Kekek and Hobbitschuster,

dammn thats hard stuff and I can't understand the main criticism. Im not a tourism professionals or employees of the city council, im just a former student of the Dortmund University who came to study in this City. The City is today my home and I will do my best to show a good critical analysis of the city like the other cities on en.wikivoyage. Its not my place of birth but I like the city and the football club. But maybe its easier to split the points of criticism. (1) Its not a simply copy and paste of the eng. wiki article, because its my own work and I am the "main author" of a lot of Dortmund wiki articles. Please take a look on the edit history, its all my stuff. I collect the information of other sites like Mercer, Handelsblatt and so on and write them together. (2) Ok thats a good fact. Lets discuss about the section. I think its pretty charming to know the city districts of Dortmund and I saw that in a lot of articles on others sites. (3) I get it. (4) Please see above, im not a tourism professionals. Primarily I have used the existing structure and sound of other Wikivoyage articles like Rotterdam, Liverpool, Manchester and so on.

So please restore my hard work of more than 1-2 weeks (take a look to the History of the englisch Dortmund Article, its all my own work) and we can discuss about some sections.

many greetings from Dortmund DortmunderWestfront (talk) 13:04, 17 December 2017 (UTC)

DortmunderWestfront, thanks a lot for replying. I greatly appreciate your work and your time.
However, if I restore all your work, you'd need to restore all the listing templates by hand and edit every place where the tone needs editing. Since I gave you a direct link to the last version of the article before I reverted your work, why not copy and paste all useful content from there? If you like, you can click "edit" on that version and access all the code for that version.
I should say that although if you were the one to add particular sentences and phrases to a Wikipedia article, you retain the copyright to it, there are two issues: (1) At least some of that text is reused all over the Internet, so adding it verbatim is likely to greatly damage the Wikivoyage article's Google ranking; (2) You nevertheless always need to indicate in an edit summary or message on the article's talk page that you copied and pasted your own work from Wikipedia, so that other editors don't draw the conclusion that you are violating copyright.
Please let me know if you'd like any other help.
All the best,
Ikan Kekek (talk) 19:04, 17 December 2017 (UTC)

Just checking: using Google Maps to obtain information[edit]

I often get latitude information and general info about locations from Google Maps. I don't copy any original text, just phone numbers and things not actually created by Google Maps. This is allowed, right? SelfieCity (talk) 02:02, 19 December 2017 (UTC)

Sure. Ikan Kekek (talk) 02:31, 19 December 2017 (UTC)
Given that the template redlinks here (and we at least used to have a policy to use templates sparingly) you might have to explain what TPS is and does... I for one have no clue. Hobbitschuster (talk) 17:13, 19 December 2017 (UTC)
I skipped through the Wikipedia article you linked, and my reaction is that there's no need to import this template here. If you want to make sure someone sees a post, just ping them. Ikan Kekek (talk) 17:57, 19 December 2017 (UTC)
  • Sure, thank you. --Titodutta (talk) 15:19, 20 December 2017 (UTC)
Thanks for the information, Ikan Kekek. Selfie City (talk) 03:55, 25 December 2017 (UTC)
Any time. Ikan Kekek (talk) 04:20, 25 December 2017 (UTC)

Khok Kloi[edit]

If a hotel has a bar, restaurant, spa, barber shop and beach club, it still normally gets only one listing, and certainly not three. So please merge relevant and non-promotional information from the Co-Sea House Thai Food and Beverage and Akyra Beach Club listings you created into the Aleenta Resort and Spa listing, then delete the separate listings. If you don't do that, someone else might do it for you or might simply save time by undoing your work. And please avoid unclear promotional expressions like "very reasonable prices". Thanks a lot.

Best,

Ikan Kekek (talk) 09:48, 21 December 2017 (UTC)

Aleenta, Akyra, and Co-Sea House are totally different places. Aleenta is a five star resort around a kilometer or two from the four star Akyra. Co-Sea is a small family run restaurant, totally unconnected to the local resorts. How did you assume that they are one and the same place? If 'very reasonable prices' is considered touting, then how should I convey to travelers that the cost of the meals are not high. Thanks. 101.108.103.50 05:57, 22 December 2017 (UTC)

I re-read your post, and maybe the name 'Beach Club' implied that Akyra is just a club, and so gave the impression that it is an extension of Aleenta or connected in someway to Co-Sea Restaurant. It is not. In reality, Akyra is large four star hotel - photo: https://media-cdn.tripadvisor.com/media/photo-s/0d/ef/4a/9d/akyra-beach-club-phuket.jpg. I agree though that calling a hotel 'beach club' is misleading. Thanks for following up. 101.108.103.50 06:12, 22 December 2017 (UTC)
I thought the phone numbers were the same for the different listings. If I made a mistake, I apologize. As for prices, the way you indicate what they are is by giving actual numbers. "Very reasonable" means very different things to different people in different places. Ikan Kekek (talk) 08:32, 22 December 2017 (UTC)
The phone numbers for the three listings are different. There is no need for an apology. I am happy that you are checking my edits, as I am prone to make errors. I couldn't remember exact prices, but just remember thinking that the dishes were inexpensive. Next time I make an edit, I'll try to note actual prices. Thanks for your comments. 171.96.190.242 12:58, 22 December 2017 (UTC)
"Inexpensive" is clearer than "reasonable", but if it's already listed in a "Budget" subsection, that's sufficient to indicate general inexpensiveness. Ikan Kekek (talk) 17:48, 22 December 2017 (UTC)
Got it. Thanks 101.108.111.148 04:11, 23 December 2017 (UTC)

Japan[edit]

To help get you started contributing, we've created a tips for new contributors page, full of helpful links about policies and guidelines and style, as well as some important information on copyleft and basic stuff like how to edit a page. If you need help, check out Wikivoyage:Help, or post a message in the travellers' pub. By the way, have you considered creating an account here? While you can absolutely keep contributing as an anonymous user, it promises a bunch of benefits, and no obligations. Thanks for your great work so far! I think what you were trying to do was link Meditation in Japan while have the text say "meditation classes". The way you do that is: meditation classes - without the "nowiki", naturally.

If you have any other questions, please ask by typing a message below this one. All the best,

Thank you. I registered a long time ago, but keep forgetting to sign in.

Yes, I was trying to link Meditation in Japan while have the text say "meditation classes". I was almost got, but had it back to front: Meditation in Japan. Thanks for your help 119.2.103.21 13:22, 8 January 2018 (UTC)

You're welcome. Glad I could help. Ikan Kekek (talk) 20:03, 8 January 2018 (UTC)

While we're on that topic....[edit]

User:Inferno986return might be another good candidate. What do you think? Ground Zero (talk) 11:41, 10 January 2018 (UTC)

I agree. Ask him/her. Ikan Kekek (talk) 12:07, 10 January 2018 (UTC)

Agra[edit]

Please stop adding wrong information, and not least as you appear to have no relevant knowledge. Your content is wrong & is touting. It is also hypocritical for you to warn about edit warring ([1] when it is you who has removed accurate content on multiple occasions.. —The preceding comment was added by 116.50.59.180 (talkcontribs)

I never intend to remove accurate, non-touting and non-vandalistic content, and anywhere where I've done so, please restore the content with an explanation in your edit summary. All I ask of you, as of anyone else who makes substantive, non-obvious edits, is to give a clear explanation for them in your edit summary. You now finally have, I'm fully satisfied with it, and I thank you. Ikan Kekek (talk) 09:39, 14 January 2018 (UTC)
You repeatedly added inaccurate content, and which was also touting. In respect of edit summaries you need to consider your actions, and are requested to be civil, as summaries such as this, [2], are unnecessarily aggressive. Reading the following appears warranted [3] and [4]
I reverted edits because they weren't explained in a way I understood, and it's normally a fairly routine thing on this site to revert unexplained deletions. I thought "this is wrong" was again a claim that my English was no good (a really annoying claim that you should stop making), not a comment about the claims you were editing out being factually incorrect, which I now finally realize is what you had meant. I apologize for expressing annoyance, but all I was asking for was a clear explanation. Again, now that you've given one, I'm perfectly happy with it.
Wikis are about communication, and when you edit war and don't give clear explanations for your edits, are you surprised that someone could find that annoying? You also probably didn't see my post to User talk:117.239.90.222, because you have a dynamic IP. I was annoyed, but I was trying to communicate with you, and the ultimate result was in fact this useful communication, though it took a while to get here.
I really do appreciate your helpful edits; just please try to clearly explain anything that might not be obvious, and if anything is reverted as an unexplained (or not clearly explained) deletion, just give a clear explanation in an edit summary or put a quick, clear explanation on the user talk page of whomever did the reversion. Sorry to be a little intemperate; I'll try to cut you some slack, but just keep communicating with other users. And do restore any text you believe I shouldn't have removed. Just give a reason in your edit summary. :-) Ikan Kekek (talk) 10:02, 14 January 2018 (UTC)
Thank you for your reply, and in response to your recent comments:
  • 'when you edit war'. Any claim about edit warring is equally valid against you.
  • 'claim that my English was no good (a really annoying claim that you should stop making)' The edit summary (and note your request 'just please try to clearly explain') was valid.
  • 'I was annoyed' You are clearly an experienced editor, and hence should not allow such to influence your edits and comments. —The preceding comment was added by 116.50.59.180 (talkcontribs)
You are also an experienced editor, though it's hard to know quite how experienced, because you have a dynamic IP and usually don't sign your posts. Please sign your posts on talk pages, and if you don't know how, I'll gladly explain (I think explain again). Anyway, as I said, I am perfectly satisfied and happy with the explanation you ultimately gave, so I don't think I have more to say unless there's something else you'd like to talk about. Ikan Kekek (talk) 11:55, 14 January 2018 (UTC)

nice to meet you[edit]

Hi there,

Ok Thanks, will do, this will go along way to making wikivoyage more attractive and viewable for sure.

Kind Regards, Gun jack 2000 (talk) 22:48, 14 January 2018 (UTC)

Excellent. Glad to have you.
Best,
Ikan Kekek (talk) 23:54, 14 January 2018 (UTC)

Stavanger City Map 2018[edit]

Hi, I published the SVG version. Best wishes, Kevin Paul —The preceding comment was added by Kevinpaulscarrott (talkcontribs)

Thanks, Kevin. It's a beautiful map, and I see the copyright is yours. It's not Wikivoyage style. Let's talk about this at Talk:Stavanger. I can start the thread. Ikan Kekek (talk) 16:15, 16 January 2018 (UTC)

Hi Ikan, it's the official municipality city map for Stavanger, Norway. This map is strategically placed in and around the city, as well as published in the guide book and online. It would be an asset for Wikivoyage visitors. Kind regards, Kevin Paul

  • It will, if and when a Wikivoyage-style version is produced. You could also use your knowledge to add latitude and longitude to the individual listings, so the dynamic map is updated. Happy editings Ibaman (talk) 16:36, 16 January 2018 (UTC)

Hello Ikan, please check the following when you have time, thanks: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:City_map_stavanger.svg UPDATE 2018 Mapmaking Expedition SVG for source, PNG for output 3008 pixel City street maps: These are simplified maps of the main streets, landmarks, and other important parts of a city. --Kevinpaulscarrott (talk) 23:45, 16 January 2018 (UTC)

Still doesn't look Wikivoyage style to me. We can discuss this at Talk:Stavanger, though, as most other users who might be interested won't look at my user talk page. Ikan Kekek (talk) 00:47, 17 January 2018 (UTC)

Add listing button[edit]

In older articles of Wikivoyage there is no "add listing" button next to the "edit source" button (e.g. https://en.wikivoyage.org/wiki/Thasos). How can I add this function? DocWoKav

I don't know, but you should be able to click the icons to the right of "Listings" in your edit screen. The temple is "See", the bicycle is "Do", the shopping cart is "Buy", etc. Ikan Kekek (talk) 10:49, 17 January 2018 (UTC)

Hermann page update[edit]

Thanks for the message about this page. I really appreciate it. I live in this beautiful town so I may come back and make more updates to make the page better. Hope you have a great day. Cheers. —The preceding comment was added by Lee Pettijohn (talkcontribs)

You're welcome, and that would be great. (Parenthetically, on talk [discussion] pages only, it's the practice on Wikis to sign your post by typing 4 tildes [~] at the end of each post.)
All the best,
Ikan Kekek (talk) 09:16, 23 January 2018 (UTC)

Revenue from social media[edit]

Surprised by this Revert. It is clear touting to get additional revenue from Youtube channel hits. Maybe you regard that as more acceptable than when a restaurant does it, but I make no distinction. Andrewssi2 (talk) 21:54, 25 January 2018 (UTC)

OK, revert my edit if you like. Ikan Kekek (talk) 09:31, 26 January 2018 (UTC)

Rampurhat[edit]

I have created a new page Rampurhat. I think I have goofed up in formatting the page. The top details above the banner have not come through and there seems to be something wrong with the Category:Birbhum-Murshidabad. Please help in setting these right. Regards. - Chandan Guha (talk) 02:01, 29 January 2018 (UTC)

I'm glad to help. I deleted the nonexistent template on the name Rampurhat at the beginning of the article: The name should be bolded but should never have curly brackets around it, which produces a red link to a nonexistent template. And in IsPartOf, you had simply misspelled Birbhum-Murshidabad.
Question: Why do you have a listing for a temple in Tarapith in the "See" section? Also, you can remove the default city name, Rampurhat, from hotel listings.
Please let me know if I can be of help in any other way.
Best,
Ikan Kekek (talk) 02:39, 29 January 2018 (UTC)
Many thanks. - Chandan Guha (talk) 05:14, 29 January 2018 (UTC)
You're most welcome. Thanks for adding content! Ikan Kekek (talk) 05:58, 29 January 2018 (UTC)

Removing the red exclamation point on trusted users[edit]

Hello, Ikan. I have a first adminy question that hopefully you don't mind answering. There are some longer-standing and presumably by now thoroughly trustworthy contributors who are still not autopatrollers, and whose edits still bear that annoying panicky red exclamation mark. Off the top of my head, I can think of Grahamsands (on WV since 2016) and Scalytail (joined about the same time as me; 5 years ago), though I may have noticed others in the past few months. Unless either of them have shady pasts on WV that I'm not aware of, it seems fairly self-evident that both users should be autopatrollers by now.

So the question is, is that something I and indeed any admin can (and should) change whenever we notice it should be, or is that something we need to gather consensus for, or do we ask the permission of the user? BTW, I know that I can make them both autopatrollers right now if I want to and have worked out how to do so, but really want to know if there is a procedure to be followed before I do that. Don't want to put my foot in it in my first week! Cheers, --ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 19:15, 31 January 2018 (UTC)

This is something individual admins just do, whenever they consider it appropriate. Ikan Kekek (talk) 19:43, 31 January 2018 (UTC)
Righty ho. Thanks for a quick response. ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 20:09, 31 January 2018 (UTC)
You bet. Ikan Kekek (talk) 03:49, 1 February 2018 (UTC)

Hey[edit]

Hey man, I just wanted to drop by and say I'm happy you're still active here. You've made lots of good edits and welcomed me to Wikivoyage and it's good to see such a friendly member still active :) Keep it up! Branthecan (talk)

Thank you. I'm glad you've stuck around and continued to make excellent edits, too! Ikan Kekek (talk) 22:31, 6 February 2018 (UTC)

About your revert on Haryana page[edit]

As you suggested, I googled 'Jat Reserve', but results are about en:w:Jat reservation agitation. As it is under 'other destinations' in Haryana wikivoyage, I don't think it should be there as it is not a destination. 1997kB (talk) 06:34, 7 February 2018 (UTC)

Also after checking history of Haryana originally it was Jarwa Reserve (which in andaman), but later I think it has been vandalized changed (here and here). 1997kB (talk) 06:40, 7 February 2018 (UTC)

Those are surely good-faith edits, not vandalism, I would think, since they seemingly corrected the name of the reserve. Right now, there is no article about the Jat Reserve, so if you think it's of no interest to a visitor, I suggest you start a thread at Talk:Haryana proposing the deletion of the listing and giving support for your opinion that it's of no interest to travelers. Ikan Kekek (talk) 07:07, 7 February 2018 (UTC)
But there is no place in Haryana called 'Jat Reserve', why we should waste time for a place, which even doesn't exist ? 1997kB (talk) 07:20, 7 February 2018 (UTC)
OK, if there is no such place, then go ahead and delete! You can type "doesn't exist" or something similar in your edit summary. Thanks for explaining. Ikan Kekek (talk) 07:42, 7 February 2018 (UTC)
I made the deletion. Thanks again. Ikan Kekek (talk) 08:28, 7 February 2018 (UTC)
Thanks for your time! 1997kB (talk) 08:29, 7 February 2018 (UTC)
Any time. Ikan Kekek (talk) 08:39, 7 February 2018 (UTC)

Feedback Welcome from DJH918[edit]

I just wanted to thank you for the feedback. I'm ultra new to this am learning with each edit. Forgive me if I don't get things quite right. Please keep the feedback coming! Djh918 (talk) 23:07, 13 February 2018 (UTC)DJH918

Nothing to forgive! Thank you for adding the content! Ikan Kekek (talk) 23:19, 13 February 2018 (UTC)

adventures vs adventurous (next-to-impossible destinations)[edit]

Hi, Ikan Kekek,

Yes, I prefer that wording. Here’s the context:

That said, even cruises to the Antarctic coast are more adventures than regular cruises.

In the sentence pattern [something] is more [word] (than [something else]), [word] should be an adjective, just because that’s what the average English speaker will expect. I read “cruises … are more adventures” and thought it was a typo, which is why I changed it.

the point is that they are adventures, rather than merely cruises.

That might be so, but I’d argue that a cruise is an adventure either way. There’s no need to use an unusual grammar structure to express such a minor nuance. These pages should be as clear as possible—after all, it’s not poetry, it’s a travel guide.

Dongzhimen (talk) 07:38, 24 February 2018 (UTC)

I haven't been on a lot of cruises (the closest I got was a ferry-cum-cruise from Hong Kong to Shanghai that took 3 nights and 2.5 days), but I understand that quite a lot of them are mostly a bunch of people stuffing their faces at the buffet, with occasional port visits, and not much of an adventure at all. I offered you an alternative wording: "they are adventures, rather than merely cruises". Or if you prefer "rather than ordinary cruises". I didn't create the sentence we're arguing about, but my English usage is different from yours: I would apply "adventurous" to a person or maybe an animal such as a cat, not an experience. An experience is an adventure or it isn't. I understand your objection to the shorthand of "more + noun", though I consider it marginal issue that can be resolved with a phrasing like "[a] is more of an [x] than a [y]". Ikan Kekek (talk) 08:02, 24 February 2018 (UTC)
How about this: "unlike normal cruises, antarctic cruises are usually marketed as adventure tourism and comfort level as well as price usually differ between non-Antarctic and antarctic cruises". The second half can be left out. Hobbitschuster (talk) 14:32, 24 February 2018 (UTC)
Fine with me (providing "Antarctic" is always capitalized). What do you think, Dongzhimen? Ikan Kekek (talk) 14:34, 24 February 2018 (UTC)
Sounds okay to me. Just add a comma after "tourism". I might say "both comfort level and price" to make it a little more concise, too, but it sounds good. Dongzhimen (talk) 08:44, 25 February 2018 (UTC)
A comma is needed after "tourism" if it's followed by an independent clause, but I'm not going to use one. I will try a somewhat edited version of this and you can see what you think of it. Ikan Kekek (talk) 09:43, 25 February 2018 (UTC)
Edit. Ikan Kekek (talk) 09:48, 25 February 2018 (UTC)

Autopatroller[edit]

Hello! Sorry to disturb you. Is the autopatroll rights open to anybody? I'd really like to be more engaged in this community, and I think autopatrolling would be best for me. Jay Jay Marcus Keize13 (talk) 12:44, 18 March 2018 (UTC)

Autopatroller means that your edits don't have exclamation points in WV:Recent changes patrol. Admins give that status to people who've been editing for a few months and in their opinion don't need close supervision. I think what you may be looking for is Patroller or Admin status. That's great! I think you should be an Autopatroller for a little while first and that it may take a bit more time before you become an Autopatroller. However, this site definitely could use more hands on deck with a mop and pail, so I'll keep your offer in mind for sure, and I really appreciate your contributions and desire to be more helpful.
All the best,
Ikan Kekek (talk) 19:38, 18 March 2018 (UTC)

Ethiopian Jews[edit]

Hey there. I'm just writing to say, please edit the part about the Ethiopian Jews to what you feel is more accurate. I am not an expert on this, but I just felt that we should mention other Jewish communities that are neither Ashkenazi, Sephardic nor Mizrachi to accurately reflect the diversity within the worldwide Jewish community. At least based on my understanding, the Ethiopian Jews do not belong to either of those three traditions.

Speaking of which, I was wondering if we should mention the Abayudaya community in Uganda, since they also follow Jewish religious customs. The only difference is that unlike the other communities, the Abayudaya are not descended from the original Jews, but instead converted to Judaism as a tribe. The dog2 (talk) 21:51, 22 March 2018 (UTC)

I agree with your impulse. And on the question: Sure, why not? And there are also Jews in Ghana whose ancestors seem to have come directly from Israel after the destruction of the Temple. I'm not an expert, either, but I think it's quite unclear that all the Jewish communities you mentioned got there solely because they settled from somewhere else. I think there's been mixing with local populations nearly everywhere and also some conversion to Judaism in various places. Ikan Kekek (talk) 07:42, 23 March 2018 (UTC)
This Wikipedia article may be of interest in this discussion. To give on minor point away, the Khazar myth has no basis in genetics. Hobbitschuster (talk) 14:05, 23 March 2018 (UTC)
The Khazars did exist, though. The myth is that Ashkenazim are all descended from Khazars, not that there was no Khazar Jewish kingdom. Ikan Kekek (talk) 14:25, 23 March 2018 (UTC)
Yes, that's what I was getting at: The antisemitic myth that Ashkenazi Jews are not "real Jews" has been thoroughly discredited by genetics as if the other evidence hadn't been enough... Hobbitschuster (talk) 15:24, 23 March 2018 (UTC)
The thing is, though, that anti-Semitic myth is completely meaningless under Jewish law, because Judaism is not a race and doesn't require that one's physical ancestors be Jewish. Ikan Kekek (talk) 00:32, 24 March 2018 (UTC)
Most certainly there would have a lot of intermarriage. For instance, if you look at the Kaifeng Jews, they are believe to be descended from Persian Jewish traders who settled in China from the Tang to Song Dynasties, but by the Qing Dynasty, they were virtually indistinguishable in physical appearance from the non-Jewish Chinese. And of course, Ethiopian Jews look like other Ethiopians, Arab Jews look like other Arabs and European Jews look like other Europeans.
Speaking of the Abayudaya, based on the stuff on WP, one of the leaders decided to become Jewish in order to resist the British occupation of Uganda, so it was a fairly recent conversion. And I recently came across the news that there is a recently-discovered tribe in Zimbabwe that was nominally Christian or Muslim, but followed Jewish religious rituals. The dog2 (talk) 01:33, 24 March 2018 (UTC)
I haven't heard about the Zimbabwean tribe. Ikan Kekek (talk) 01:57, 24 March 2018 (UTC)
Here's the article. [5] The dog2 (talk) 02:34, 24 March 2018 (UTC)
I knew about the Lemba being descended from Kohanim. I didn't know they lived in Zimbabwe as well as South Africa. I also didn't know they retained some Jewish practices. Ikan Kekek (talk) 02:45, 24 March 2018 (UTC)

Chasidic vs Litvish[edit]

From what I recently came across, it appears that there is a second group of "ultra-Orthodox" Jews called the Litvish or Yeshivish Jews, who are supposed to be distinct from the Chasidim. I would like to ask what you know about this, and if they are indeed distinct from the Chasidim, whether you can write something about them in the Judaism article. The dog2 (talk) 17:02, 30 March 2018 (UTC)

Litvakers are of Lithuanian origin and a yeshiva is a place to learn about Judaism. Otherwise, I have no idea what you'd be referring to. Ikan Kekek (talk) 18:32, 30 March 2018 (UTC)
This blog post mentions something about them being two distinct traditions, but I'm not sure how accurate it is. The dog2 (talk) 19:15, 30 March 2018 (UTC)

Thank you![edit]

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Sure thing. Ikan Kekek (talk) 20:29, 4 April 2018 (UTC)

Akaa[edit]

Does the article now have a proper template? OnreOfFinland (talk) 07:21, 7 April 2018 (UTC)

Almost, but it's lacking important codes at the bottom. I'll fix that. Ikan Kekek (talk) 07:23, 7 April 2018 (UTC)
See these edits, and also have a look at Wikivoyage:Quick small city article template and Wikivoyage:Small city article template. Let me know if you have any other questions. Ikan Kekek (talk) 07:26, 7 April 2018 (UTC)
Oh yeah, got it, thanks! OnreOfFinland (talk) 07:27, 7 April 2018 (UTC)
You're welcome! Thanks for starting the article. Ikan Kekek (talk) 08:35, 7 April 2018 (UTC)

Danakil[edit]

My English is not that good to write English texts accurately. Regarding the safety section, I experienced the following and you may wish to add anything you consider important to the article. a) Not recommended to separate from the group too far, especially on Erta Ale (from what I heard, the German tourist was shot after he and his guide got too far away from others at some timepoint). b) There are nowhere warning signs or fences, so stay away some 1-1,5 meters from the Erta Ale crater edge. c) Don't touch the water in Dallol ponds, as it contains acid. d) Next hospital is in Mekelle, which is several hours away (luckily, there is now a good road to Berhale, which Chinese have built a couple of years ago) and e) Common sense is always very important. --A.Savin (talk) 03:27, 8 April 2018 (UTC)

Thanks. I'll work on it. That really is quite clear. Ikan Kekek (talk) 04:13, 8 April 2018 (UTC)
I added some of this (not the common sense, which is for better or worse assumed). Please do feel free to edit the text; if your English is off, someone can always edit that. Ikan Kekek (talk) 07:05, 8 April 2018 (UTC)

Telstra?[edit]

why are you accusing me of being a vandal or a sockpuppet? I'am not. --Arabia619 (talk) 17:41, 13 April 2018 (UTC)

Apologies. It's simply because to this point, your username and editing style resembled that of one. I'm very glad you are not. Ikan Kekek (talk) 20:04, 13 April 2018 (UTC)