User talk:Wauteurz

Hello, Wauteurz! Welcome to Wikivoyage.

To help get you started contributing, we've created a tips for new contributors page, full of helpful links about policies and guidelines and style, as well as some important information on copyleft and basic stuff like how to edit a page. If you need help, check out Help, or post a message in the travellers' pub. If you are familiar with Wikipedia, take a look over some of the differences here.

And thanks a lot for your edits to articles about the Netherlands!

All the best,

Ikan Kekek (talk) 03:26, 29 June 2016 (UTC)

Thank you for the little reminder, Ikan. I am already familiar with the rules on Wikipedia itself, and I recon the rules to not be too different, but I'll take a quick read through it to be sure :)
> Wauteurz (talk) 06:24, 29 June 2016 (UTC)

There are a lot of similarities but some important differences, as you'll see. Thanks again; glad to have you aboard! Ikan Kekek (talk) 07:19, 29 June 2016 (UTC)

Hi Wauteurz, perhaps you could specifically glance through our policies on Wikivoyage:What is an article?. I saw you wrote in the Hindeloopen article that it's not possible to sleep there and travellers would have to stay in Sneek. I'm not sure how you determined that, but perhaps you're under the impression that "sleep listings" can only be large hotels? As you'll see in the policy, any type of accommodation counts for the article criteria - as long as there's enough other content to fill an article, of course. There are plenty of places to sleep in Hindeloopen. The town's tourist information site is a good place to check. Another useful policy page is Wikivoyage:Geographical_hierarchy, which gives some background information concerning the conversation we had about Drenthe. Keep in mind that dividing regions is not at all a goal in itself. Dutch tourists often visit "Drenthe" or "Zeeland" - including day trips to all corners of the province and beyond, due to the short distances. The more fine grained our structure is, the more clicks and articles visitors need to get a good impression of their options. If there is indeed too much information in the articles, an extra division (like South Limburg) is fine, but otherwise travellers are better served without extra layers.

One more quick request; it would be nice if you could use the listings format when listing sights, and if possible, include an address. Directions to the main attraction are required for an article to be lifted to usable status. Thanks! JuliasTravels (talk) 11:15, 2 August 2016 (UTC)

Hey Julias, I'll read through the linked articles ASAP. I've tried finding hotels through Google Maps by right clicking on Hindeloopen, searching nearby for hotels. It initially didn't bring anything up. The Hindeloopen article however, is one I rushed a bit at the end. Searching for hotels now, I have found a hotel in Hindeloopen, so my initial searching wasn't that thorough.

As for the Geo. hierarchy, the reason I posted Talk:Roden#Why would anyone visit Roden? is because I wanted to know if the regions could be defined before I added content for the existing redlinks. I don't really like spending my time on something to have it merged with something else and start over. It was mostly my thrive for efficiency showing.
So far, I've been meaning to revisit most my articles to do what was needed to lift them to usable, but as we both know, this hasn't come to be yet. I'm thankful for your additions to them, but to keep work off your hands, I'll do my best to make the pages as complete as I can.

Thanks for the feedback! :)
-- Wauteurz (talk) 12:14, 2 August 2016 (UTC)

East Frisian islands and Helgoland

Hi. I don't know how concrete your plans are to visit either of them, but I have (it may well be a decade ago already) been to Borkum, Langeoog, Spiekeroog and have made a day trip to Helgoland when I was younger. My personal preference is for the car-free islands (Borkum has cars on it), but that is of course your choice. As for getting in, Borkum has direct ferry service from Eemshaven in the Netherlands as well as Emden, but the ferry ports to reach the others are a bit awkward to get to by public transit (Norden-Norddeich being the one big exception [look for "Norddeich Mole" in schedules]). Intercity buses in Germany are certainly an option, if you can live with the reduced comfort, probably awkward connections from the Netherlands and the reduced comfort (seat pitch, possibility to move around) compared to a train. Booking early should go without saying, we are talking about the country that invented the term "Frühbucherrabatt", after all ;-). At any rate, whether your trip to those islands is now or a few years hence, it would be great if you could add a bit of your experiences to the articles. Hobbitschuster (talk) 20:50, 2 August 2016 (UTC)

Thanks for the info, Hobbitschuster. I most likely can't visit the islands before summer 2017, and I have no concrete plans to visit them either. The logic behind wanting to visit them is the vague idea in my head of wanting to visit all Frisian islands. When I do visit though, Wikivoyage will get to know everything I learnt about the region, just like the vacation to the Luxembourgian Grevenmacher district, which I'm going on today.
-- Wauteurz (talk) 07:19, 3 August 2016 (UTC)

Müllerthal or Mullerthal

Which one of those is the local spelling? Judging by it being a German (or possibly Luxemburgish) word, I would say the former. In that case, there is no reason to spell it with u instead of ü. At least if I understand policy correctly. Hobbitschuster (talk) 20:54, 16 August 2016 (UTC)

The correct spelling in Luxembourgian is Mullerthal (without the U-Umlaut), the German spelling is Müllerthal (with U-Umlaut). The correct way of spelling therefore should be the Luxembourgian way, i.e. Mullerthal. The folders I've taken home from there use both the Luxembourgian and German version for English-written folders. Of the 19 related folders I've got, 7 list Müllerthal, and the other 12 list Mullerthal, even though the local spelling, i.e. Mullerthal should be used. This is why I keep on using both the U and Ü versions, even though I don't mean to.

In a nutshell: It should be Mullerthal as that is its name in Luxembourgish.
-- Wauteurz (talk) 08:46, 17 August 2016 (UTC)

Pretty sure that you've seen by now, but since the folders list both options as viable (though in my opinion, Mullerthal is the only correct option), I ended up making Müllerthal a redirect to Mullerthal. I am convinced that this is the best option, seen the local spelling.
-- Wauteurz (talk) 18:39, 17 August 2016 (UTC)

All right. That looks reasonable. Hobbitschuster (talk) 18:52, 17 August 2016 (UTC)

Country codes and brackets

Hi there. You probably couldn't have known it (I myself only found out when I switched on the extension), but I have an extension activated that tells me when the format of a phone number is "wrong" and it usually gives me "NOCC" (no country code) for a variety of reasons, one of them being that the country code is put in brackets. So therefore, please do not put the country code(s) in brackets for phone numbers. Thank you. Hobbitschuster (talk) 17:17, 17 August 2016 (UTC)

Heya Hobbit, I know 99% sure that this edit is what you're referring to. This was a quite hasty reaction of mine on one of your edits that I, for some reason, mistook. I saw that you had updated a listing for the Preshistoric Museum, and, seen it was an update in phone numbers, thought I'd give you a hand. In the process, however, something managed to not go right in my brain and I ended up doing the totally reverse. It wasn't my intend, it was only meant as an helpful assist, yet in the process, I only created more work.

Eitherway, I am aware of how phone numbers should be listed. I've seen several articles and listings I contributed get changed for it, and I do it automatically now. Again, sorry for the mess-up.
-- Wauteurz (talk) 18:37, 17 August 2016 (UTC)

No problem. Hobbitschuster (talk) 18:52, 17 August 2016 (UTC)

Star ratings for hotels

Hi, Wauteurz, and thanks for adding all this content! One detail: The practice in this guide is not to treat hotel star ratings as part of the hotel's name. Instead, where star ratings are meaningful, they could be included in the "content".

All the best,

Ikan Kekek (talk) 05:58, 19 August 2016 (UTC)

Thanks for the heads up, Ikan. I believe this problem only applies to my Luxembourg articles, which I'll go ahead and change.
-- Wauteurz (talk) 10:00, 19 August 2016 (UTC)

Thanks a lot. Ikan Kekek (talk) 05:41, 20 August 2016 (UTC)

Removing zip codes on Remich page

Hi Wauteurz,

I noticed you undid my edit that removed the postal codes on the Remich page. I want to notice you that I applied the Wikivoyage standardized formats for address listings, which states that postal codes should not be listed, except for listings in the UK. Also, it is recommended not to include the city if it is the same as the page title. All these recommendations are clarified on Wikivoyage:Listings.

Looking forward to your response, Podrozniczek (talk) 10:27, 11 June 2017 (UTC)

@Podrozniczek: I was not aware of that. Most of the pages I've made and edited here are for cities and their greater surroundings, so I just did it by default, as many listings I've made are around and not in the article's location. My apologies for undoing your edit and thank you for the heads up.
-- Wauteurz (talk) 12:30, 11 June 2017 (UTC)

Page banners

Awesome work on all the new page banners. Just thought it should be said so you know your work is being appreciated. --Traveler100 (talk) 12:18, 16 September 2017 (UTC)

• Agreed. Great work. Ground Zero (talk) 12:50, 16 September 2017 (UTC)

Thank you! I found out how much I liked making banners during the half-week last month in which I made as many banners for the Benelux as I could, and I figured I would take that a step further :)
-- Wauteurz (talk) 12:26, 16 September 2017 (UTC)

Hå

Not sure it should be speedy link as other articles link to it. Have added to Wikivoyage:Votes for deletion. --Traveler100 (talk) 05:05, 28 September 2017 (UTC)

Vlaardingen

Nice work! Ground Zero (talk) 14:23, 19 November 2017 (UTC)

Thanks! I was slightly bothered by Dutch destinations that told a reader no more than "This place exists". I've been planning for a while to finally plunge forward and up the quality of these articles, starting with the smallest articles. There's more to come! :D
-- Wauteurz (talk) 14:29, 19 November 2017 (UTC)

We now, however, have the somewhat paradoxical situation that some Dutch destinations have a better en-WV article than nl-WV. This is by no means a huge problem, but it might lead to Dutch speakers who aren't all that confident or competent with their English (and yes, those do exist) being less likely to contribute and ultimately a healthy community in other language varieties helps us at en-WV as we can translate articles or harvest listings. That said, I feel more comfortable at en-WV than de-WV so I understand if you don't want to spend all that much time writing basically the same stuff again in Dutch. Hobbitschuster (talk) 17:11, 19 November 2017 (UTC)

I understand the problem, and it is by no means the case that I've never translated my articles to Dutch. I may at some point take time to pick this back up, but to say the least, I'm not really bothered to do so. I'm more certain of my English skills than my skills in my native language, as is the general problem with my generation. Perhaps the two active users on nlWV that I know of (@De Wikischim, FredTC:) are also willing to translate some articles to Dutch.
-- Wauteurz (talk) 17:28, 19 November 2017 (UTC)

Well done!

	The Wikivoyage Barncompass
	For getting Rail travel in the Netherlands from zero to future FTT hero in four months. Thank you for this outstanding contribution! --ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 19:11, 21 January 2018 (UTC)

Dank je wel! There are still some things that I'd like to add at some point, such as the icons for signs found in stations I mentioned on the talk page, but the article is just as well-off without those. I too am very happy with what the article has become :)
-- Wauteurz (talk) 19:16, 21 January 2018 (UTC)

Gefeliciteerd. --ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 20:57, 21 January 2018 (UTC)

Template:Rail-interchange

Hi! Once you are done, please push the changes also back to en.wikipedia.org. I'd like to setup a bot later, to sync this automatically (from WP to WV), so your changes would be overwritten... Thanks! Andree.sk (talk) 16:46, 25 February 2018 (UTC)

Hey there, I am not sure if it is all that useful to automatically transfer the changes from enWP to enWV for the simple reason that {{RouteBox}} gets called from the template as is. I won't have to tell you that this template used on Wikipedia is conflicting with our Template:Routebox. Also, I can't push back the changes. I will have to put in an edit request as the template on enWP is locked. I've already submitted an edit request. The template here needs some tending to though. For one, all instances of {{RouteBox}} should be transferred to {{Routebox entry}}, getting its links adapted in the process. While editing I've found that specific problem with Riyadh. There may be more or alike conflicts hidden in the other 160K bytes of the template. I'm not saying transferring the edits from enWP would be impossible, but I do think that it would be better to adapt the template for our own use and let it live its own life here, independent from its counterpart on enWP. Also, as a sidenote: Template:Rail-interchange should most likely be added to Category:Experimental templates until it is ready for proper usage ;)
-- Wauteurz (talk) 17:57, 25 February 2018 (UTC)

Oh.... oh... I thought that it will suffice to use raw WP templates for the rint stuff, and perhaps just find some black magic to convert the links (for the links to other point to wikipedia, or discard the links completely). But I didn't have time to look into it yet, so in fact there may be unsolvable issues like you are describing. In this case, it'd probably then best to just mass-import all the WP/rint templates, if it doesn't make sense to sync. Andree.sk (talk) 19:12, 25 February 2018 (UTC)

Having done a quick scan through the template, I have only been able to find {{RouteBox}} as a template that gets called (> 450 times) but doesn't exist. I'm not sure if this conflicts with our Template:Routebox, but just to be sure, I think we might as well merge enWP's RouteBox into our Template:Routebox entry, since ours doesn't get used a lot either way and enWP's RouteBox lets us link somewhere (which isn't impossible in Routebox entry) and lets us use fonts if we so desire (which we currently cannot). The six usages of Routebox entry can be changed easily within a day and one can easily switch {{RouteBox}} for {{Routebox entry}} using nearly any word processing software. It'll save you from mass-importing and will make you able to use the bot to sync the templates after all (so long as the bot knows that {{RouteBox}} should be replaced with {{Routebox entry}} and is able to do so).
-- Wauteurz (talk) 19:31, 25 February 2018 (UTC)

Hi. I have switched most of "my pages" to {{station/sandbox}}, so that we can then easily (and almost outage-free) switch normal {{station}} later. The only left-out is Paris, where they have the stuff like rint|paris|m|2, which would be job for your new rint, I guess :) So anyway, you could perhaps do the same - and after most of the simple stuff is done, we can also go forward and switch {{rint}} for your version - and finish up. What do you say? I didn't see any real resistance in the pub... Andree.sk (talk) 19:41, 27 March 2018 (UTC)

@Andree.sk: At this time, I'm quite busy with stuff at uni, and it will take two to three weeks for that to cool down to where I'll permit myself to come back and edit here. My RINT is done in the sense that everything that is in the current RINT has been switched over, and that documentation is done for every entry in the template. There are still lines and networks to add in the future, though, but I do not think that those are very urgent at this time. If you want to, you can move User:Wauteurz/RINT to {{Rail-interchange/sandbox}} in anticipation of replacing {{rint}}. I didn't notice any disapproval of the modified, new RINT either, so I'd say we're good to go. Again, I'd rather not do it myself as I'll most likely get sucked back into nitpicking minor issues with the template, which I can't really have happening when I have three large projects to finish and hand in in the first half of April. If you'd like me to, I could create a little project page for RINT, detailing how to edit the template, how to document those edits and what the goals are for RINT, so that the step to plunging forward on the template gets lowered somewhat for others if it is ought to be beneficial for new editors to come in.
-- Wauteurz (talk) 09:24, 28 March 2018 (UTC)

@Andree.sk: Done I've moved the new RINT to {{Rail-interchange/sandbox}}. Would you like me to also move RINT/doc over? RINT/item (for displaying outputs in RINT/doc) is an exact copy of {{Rail-interchange item}} and won't need moving, and RINT/box is what I've moved to {{RbE}} about a month ago, so that won't need moving either. For documentation's sake, I'm done with most work at uni, so I should be able to focus a lot more on finishing up new RINT again.
-- Wauteurz (talk) 11:46, 14 April 2018 (UTC)

Okay, I've finished the crusade to move all uses of {{rint}} to your template, which also included some fun with {{station}}. Now it's +/- done, excluding paris (still). If you'd like to review my changes, be my guest :) Otherwise, I'll overwrite the main templates (now +- unused) with the /sandbox versions, and then also remove the references from /sandbox to non-/sandbox stuff... That way, noone should notice any broken pages (but you may have noticed that e.g. Arnhem or Amstelveen temporarily use the original rint stuff, because that's what's included from {{station/sandbox}}...).

I only have one note - we should consider decreasing the height of the icons, I'd say 1px or 2px from both top and bottom. Now it looks a bit too intrusive, and will probably look bad in the London articles... 19:39, 15 April 2018 (UTC)

Clicking around RecentChanges a bit, I can happily congratulate at having done a great job! The height of the icon's isn't easily changed though. The icons are achieved through spans, which just wrap around the text  Like so . The border, which doesn't always show as it is the background colour by default is already set to  2px , as a single pixel was too small in my opinion. Either way, the one thing I can do, would be to wrap the entire template in smalltext,  Like so , which might actually be a good idea now that I think of it. You could throw smalltext around any RINT output at this time like so: <small>{{Rail-interchange/sandbox|paris|7bis}}</small> (gives Template:Rail-interchange/sandbox), so I'd encourage you to check if that is what you're looking for. There are, however, several instances where smalltext is used in RINT, but luckily those can be counted on a single hand. Again, congratulations on the work so far!
-- Wauteurz (talk) 20:18, 15 April 2018 (UTC)

I was about to copy {{rail-interchange/sandbox}} to {{rail-interchange}}, but that would then look like I did it all... So please, go ahead and do it yourself - to gain the well-earned karma :) Andree.sk (talk) 19:18, 16 April 2018 (UTC)

Regarding the style above - I'd almost say that smalltext really matches the style better. I'll get back to the 1px vs 2px border later on, once I have other stuff done :) Andree.sk (talk) 19:19, 16 April 2018 (UTC)

@Andree.sk: I cannot move the template from /sandbox to main, as the current RINT needs to be deleted first. I've already made an VfD. As soon as the current template is removed, the template can be moved.
-- Wauteurz (talk) 16:05, 17 April 2018 (UTC)

I guess it's all done now... thanks for the great work and good luck maintaining it! :-D See you around... Andree.sk (talk) 19:23, 17 April 2018 (UTC)

Well, there are still some logo's that I made before I updated {{RbE}}, but those can be updated at any time. Either way, thank you, and very much likewise for your contributions to {{station}} :D
-- Wauteurz (talk) 07:54, 18 April 2018 (UTC)

Dutch Masters...

As in Rembrant and others.. Wikivoyage has some coverage on art, but I was going to ask if this was something you would add to a very long to do list.

(BTW You seem to have found the Userdraft templates)

The stuff on reclamation projects isn't a typical destination ;) ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 01:13, 10 June 2018 (UTC)

I'll add it to the list, yes. I should add to that that I am currently somewhat demotivated from editing here as I've got other projects and things in life going. This too is why I added {{Userdraft}}; so that others may find it in the future and add onto it. The idea behind Zuiderzee Works is moreso to give background information, which to my understanding is also the goal of its counterpart article, Delta Works. (The same line of thought applies to the Hollandse Waterlinie.)

Either way, is there a specific (set of) articles you want me to add onto about the Dutch masters? I would assume you would also want me to add some things about other Dutch artists such as Piet Mondriaan, Gerrit Rietveld, Hieronymus Bosch and so forth while I am at it? It fits in well with a study I've got my eyes on, so I'd be more than happy to write something about these topics.
-- Wauteurz (talk) 11:43, 10 June 2018 (UTC)

Well it was Dutch art from a travel perspective, so in essence "Where you can you see it?, can you Buy reproductions etc? What locales inpsired them?" and so on. :) ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 17:39, 10 June 2018 (UTC)

Don't worry about being demotivated. We all have too many projects on the go :) ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 17:39, 10 June 2018 (UTC)

@ShakespeareFan00: I've started an outline for De Stijl, which is one of the most notable Dutch artistic movements (aside from Golden Age art/Dutch Masters, of course). De Stijl is two-sided in that it is about both visual art and architecture, hence I'll list some buildings (theatres, cafés, mansions, et cetera) that were designed by some of the nine most prominent members of the movement, as well as several museums that have a high quantity of De Stijl works. It's a personal favourite of mine, so that should combat the demotivation somewhat. I'll see about the Dutch Masters/Golden Age painters once this article has come some way. Inputs and tips are always appreciated, should you have them :)
-- Wauteurz (talk) 19:01, 11 June 2018 (UTC)

Thanks, I don't know anything about art, but figured it was a topic worth having :) ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 19:15, 11 June 2018 (UTC)

stop links of people

sorry but this is not Wikipedia. Only articles about locations. --Traveler100 (talk) 20:30, 21 September 2018 (UTC)

@Traveler100: I see where you're coming from, but what exactly is wrong with this instance? Sure, Mondrian might be a person, but he is more known world-wide than the movement he belongs to. How are people supposed to find that article (De Stijl) and thereby more museums with similar works without a link using his name?
-- Wauteurz (talk) 20:36, 21 September 2018 (UTC)

Why stop at this one artist? Why not other artists, also royalty, historic military people, politicians, types of food, ... If people what to know about other topics then should go to Wikipedia. --Traveler100 (talk) 20:41, 21 September 2018 (UTC)

I think Wauteurz is planning to write an art based travel topic... Hence the link. Hobbitschuster (talk) 20:49, 21 September 2018 (UTC)

I'm planning to write more, yes, but the one for De Stijl is large enough to have been in mainspace for over a month by now and at some later point I'll expand it more. The case, however, is that De Stijl, which the Mondrian redirect we're talking about was linking to, is as good as synonymous with Mondrian (and Rietveld to a lesser extend) to where I've seen English folders, including one of the Kröller-Muller Museum from 2014/15, introduce De Stijl as more or less 'Mondrian's style'. Surely there is a clausule for synonymous names, and if not, there definitely should be.
Wauteurz (talk) 21:03, 21 September 2018 (UTC)

Static map

I finally uploaded a static map that I created. Generally I tried to do the upload the same way as your map for North Dakota but I wanted you to check to make sure everything looked right.

I have also requested a name change, but you get the general idea. --Comment by Selfie City (talk | contributions) 16:46, 5 April 2019 (UTC)

@SelfieCity: Hiya! The map you've uploaded isn't bad for one of your first. A few pointers though:

• The scale is hard to tell by looking at the map. At first I thought that Pleasanton was just a small town, but actually fetching the article proved me otherwise. Adding to this, the fact that all the roads are given in white with black annotations gives the idea at first that all roads are just regular streets. On my North Dakota map I differentiated the Interstates in red, major US routes in orange and minor US routes in yellow. After this would come all other roads. For comparison, see my Oklahoma City map.
• The roads look a little rough around the edges. If you haven't yet, get familiar with the click and drag functionalities of the bezier tool (assuming you're using Inkscape, some tutorials can be found here). It's pretty easy when you get used to it, but in a nutshell, it lets you add smooth curves to the lines, which looks much better in the end than approximating the roads' curvature by clicking along the path of a road.
• Lastly, be sure to use the style standards given in the region and district/city map templates. Here you'll find the iconography you'll need, including but not limited to a scale bar, the north indicator and title box.

Other than that, the map as-is now is perfectly usable and acceptable as such, but there's still (as is with anything) improvements to be made :)
-- Wauteurz (talk) 17:34, 7 April 2019 (UTC)

Thanks! I agree. I see what you mean about the levels of types of roads, and I'll try to get that fixed at some point. In a discussion in the pub editors said they preferred the dynamic map currently, since there weren't enough POIs on this map. Since I've recently decided to cut down on contributions (as in adding paragraphs of text to articles, etc.) and instead focus more on administrative work, I may actually have more time to work on this static map.

PS: A closer look may reveal that I did have different widths for roads according to importance. But color differences would be useful, agreed. --Comment by Selfie City (talk | contributions) 17:38, 7 April 2019 (UTC)

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Panama City Metro rint template

Hi. I wanted to add Panama City Metro to the rint template, but obviously something is missing or went wrong. Can you help me fix this? Hobbitschuster (talk) 17:35, 26 October 2019 (UTC)

 1   2  {{rint|panamacity|2}}

@Hobbitschuster: There you go! The only problem was that you specified the string for the first parameter as Panama City, this string has to contain all lower case letters though, and ideally is one string. I switched it to panamacity for that reason.
-- Wauteurz (talk) 17:59, 26 October 2019 (UTC)

Thank you. Hobbitschuster (talk) 18:07, 26 October 2019 (UTC)

Your help would be much appropriated in helping to create the Discord server of the Hebrew Wikivoyage community

Discord seems like the "chat" feature solution our small community has been looking to implement for years.

If possible, we would very much appreciate your help in creating the server (as none of us have any experience in doing so). ויקיג'אנקי (talk) 00:08, 18 February 2020 (UTC)

@ויקיג'אנקי: I don't know how much use I can be to a Hebrew project specifically, but I'm definitely down to help. Shoot me an invite (Wauteurz#7082) and we'll see how I can be of service!
-- Wauteurz (talk) 11:09, 18 February 2020 (UTC)

RINT - British National Rail

Good afternoon, Wauteurz. Hope you're keeping well and that it's not too hot for you.

I wonder if I could ask if, when you have the time, you could create the RINT template for mainline rail services in Great Britain? The old British Rail 'double arrow' logo - - should suffice for all services in England, Scotland and Wales regardless of service operator or train company. I had a look at the documentation and couldn't really work out how to start, so if this is something you could relatively easily, I'd be grateful.

There's no rush.

Have a lovely weekend, ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 16:04, 21 August 2020 (UTC)

@ThunderingTyphoons!: Afternoon! Thank you for your well wishes. I'm doing a-okay and I hope the same can be said for you.

There was already an option available for this, but it was disabled since the appropriate image was not on Commons when I ported the template over. Either way, here you go: {{rint|gb|rail}}

I've modified a few things here: When clicking on the icon, it will link to Rail travel in Great Britain and show the page preview for said page, which can be removed in favour of a simple mouse-over text along the lines of "Mainline rail service" if so desired. Let me know if the link is wished for, and whether the size of the icon is big enough :)

Also, as a sidenote, I'm assuming that you looked at Template:Rail-interchange for how to do this yourself? If so, and that wasn't completely clear, could you tell me what parts of it you couldn't follow so that I could perhaps rework the text a bit to make it easier to comprehend?
-- Wauteurz (talk) 16:20, 21 August 2020 (UTC)

Well that was nice and quick :) In answer to your questions, for my purposes, the link is better disabled in favour of a mouseover that says "National Rail" and the logo could maybe do with being a bit bigger (say 25px equivalent) since as it's a relatively complex polygon, it looks a little blurry here.

I'll admit I didn't try to hard to understand the instructions, as I figured (correctly it seems) that this would be an easy task for someone who knew what they were doing. Pretty lazy, I know...

Thank you for speedy response and help.--ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 16:35, 21 August 2020 (UTC)

@ThunderingTyphoons!: No worries! I could have mentioned this in the previous message, but you can upscale the image if you so desire. I don't think that's listed in documentation anywhere, since the point of RINT is to avoid using images/Commons where possible. You can do this by adding the |size= parameter at the end of the RINT template:

{{rint|gb|rail|size=25}} gives:

In any case, I'll remove the link, and leave you some time to play around with the size of the icon before I edit that. As for the bus routes, if there are any that are noteworthy enough to be used for navigation in articles, let me know. I'd be happy to add them as well, since I have already done so for quite a few French cities.
-- Wauteurz (talk) 16:47, 21 August 2020 (UTC)

Thanks very much! The size field is perfect.

If we had an army of contributors, I would consider asking them to adding bus routes a good use of their time, but for London alone there are something like 600 routes, which will be the same in most public transport-oriented societies. In some articles I work on, I've added buses in the directions tab of listings, and have found that plain text numbers, while not flashy, are sufficient to do the job.--ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 17:04, 21 August 2020 (UTC)

@ThunderingTyphoons!: Don't get me wrong, adding every bus line isn't the point at all. Most lines are of little interest to the traveller, and at the end of the day, they come first. I'm looking at the handful or dozen of lines that go where, in London's case, the Tube, overground or trams don't reach, yet also go to places that a traveller might want to visit. You do have a solid point though. There are already lines in RINT that are mostly superfluous to list, such as night lines or rural bus routes, and I possibly should see about reserving a few days to clean them all up. (Possibly the template should just be cleared of buslines that aren't part of a rapid transit system or of any kind of major importance, but that's something to worry about at another time.) We'll just leave the coverage of London as-is. It already has its major lines covered either way, and that's what matters most of all :)
-- Wauteurz (talk) 17:27, 21 August 2020 (UTC)

Interface admin

I was wondering whether you're interested in becoming an interface admin here. Currently, there's only four interface admins. Most of the time, all four just come and pop in about once a month. Apart from one of them, you're more active than the other three, with one looking like they're going to lose these privileges on Wednesday. And I was maybe thinking whether you could take over so we have at least one active (including varyingly active as well) interface admin. Let me know, so if you're interested, then I'll start your nomination soon. Cheers, SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 11:24, 18 July 2021 (UTC)

@SHB2000: Thank you. While it does sound interesting, I am very much tempted to decline for the simple reason that the task of Interface Admin is quite out of my scope. I might be somewhat competent with CSS, that definitely isn't the case for JS (nor do I have the ambition to improve much in that regard). I suspect that much of what I'd do as an Interface Admin would be based on trial and error. I simply do not feel like I have the required skill set for the task, though I do very much appreciate the offer.

Also, while I might be active now, there's no guarantee that I will be as active in the future. I'm a student after all. Uni has my priority, and doing work here is a hobby at best. Realistically, I'll probably go back on hiatus once September rolls around again, for the sake of getting things done.

In short, I appreciate the offer, but I don't think I'm the best fit for the task. I wouldn't mind overseeing things for a while if I am that needed, but I wouldn't accept this as a permanent thing - not now at least. Perhaps my mind might change in two years or so, but we'll see about that when the time comes. Even then though, my skill set doesn't align with what the entire 'rank' revolves around, so I will have to decline. Again though, I highly appreciate being considered for the position at all. Many thanks.
-- Wauteurz (talk) 20:06, 18 July 2021 (UTC)

I see. I'm on a similar boat as you here, so I feel it. I just have been active more recently due to my winter break though. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 21:48, 18 July 2021 (UTC)

Adding templates to {{routebox}}

Hey there, just quickly popping in to just ask why do templates not work on {{routebox}}. Is it only meant to take images? Just asking because for some reason, {{AUR}} won't work. Cheers, SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 13:27, 27 July 2021 (UTC)

@SHB2000: Yep, {{Routebox}} only takes images sadly. I ran into this myself before and started a project to make the labels through HTML and CSS several years ago, but I never went as far as to implement it. Frankly, Routebox is simply too widely used for changing images into labels to be worthwhile, and I don't see that process being automated easily, so I shelved that project.
-- Wauteurz (talk) 13:35, 27 July 2021 (UTC)

That's unfortunate :( SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 13:37, 27 July 2021 (UTC)

It is. In time I might relaunch that project, because there is no doubt some way to make it work, but time will tell. In the end, routeboxes would be much, much easier to work with if you could automatically detect the country by the categories it's in, only to enter the code on the route shield in the routebox template.
-- Wauteurz (talk) 13:44, 27 July 2021 (UTC)

And with being able to add {{rint}} SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 13:50, 27 July 2021 (UTC)

Naturally. Since RINT and RINTroad are separate templates, it might prove a bit of a bodge to work them together, but we'll see.
-- Wauteurz (talk) 13:52, 27 July 2021 (UTC)

I might work on some other template in the upcoming days to make {{routebox}} but to incorporate templates. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 21:45, 27 July 2021 (UTC)

Fine by me. Feel free to use RINTroad in that endeavour as well. Even though I shelved it in late 2018, it is still complete for Europe and North America. Other regions wouldn't work any different. You should be able to work out the region through {{GPX indicator}}. Let me know how it goes, because coming to think of it, I honestly would like to see that template be used eventually. Besides, I've got the time for the following few days seen as how I'm homestuck because of a positive test - Let me know if I can help! :D
-- Wauteurz (talk) 22:02, 27 July 2021 (UTC)

I'm so sorry that you had a positive test. I hope you have a speedy recovery and only have the mildest of the symptoms. I might work on {{RINTroad}}, and adding Australian and Asian routes shouldn't be that hard. Cheers, SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 22:23, 27 July 2021 (UTC)

No need to be sorry, it was bound to happen at some point. I'm only coughing a bit and had a very mild fever this past weekend, so it's definitely not a terrible case either - I'll be fine. Editing RINTroad should really not be difficult. If I recall correctly, it's essentially -lite. In a nutshell, there's three things to it: The ISO country code (1), the road lettering (2) and the road number (3). It makes labels through {{RbE}}, which is the same as RINT, and the mouse over calls on (3) again to customise the mouseover. It's also a lot smaller than RINT, aiding readability when scrolling through it. I reckon that you can get the hang of it quite quickly if you choose to jump in.
-- Wauteurz (talk) 22:32, 27 July 2021 (UTC)

┌────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────┘ @SHB2000: I do know what happened here: Too many brackets. Following parameter 3, you close using five brackets instead of three, signalling to the template not only the end of the parameter, but also the end of {{RbE}}, making it go haywire with the rest of the code meant for RbE, which it can't cope with. If you don't already, consider enabling Syntax Highlighter under Preferences » Gadgets. It allows you to see these kinds of errors more easily :)
-- Wauteurz (talk) 22:36, 27 July 2021 (UTC)

I'm not exactly too sure what to do though. Unlike Europe, Australia tends to use just one color (like C381, or A300). It's only in the West Coast where numbering works a different way. And to the uhm, you know, I think you're the second active Wikivoyage to get it, but still, get well soon. Hope it's not too bad in the Netherlands SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 22:48, 27 July 2021 (UTC)

I believe I've now got them all added onto the template. Not sure the annotation is 100% accurate, but the system seems to be a bit chaotic anyways. I skipped over D roads in particular because Wikipedia says there's just two of them, and I can't even find them back on OSM. National roads and Metroads seem to be on the way out, but they're there for the time being for the sake of being complete. Australia mightn't be the best starting off point, honestly. I recall looking at it and the occasional highway in the rest of Oceania, and just being discouraged by it. In any case, these should be the lot of them, right?
-- Wauteurz (talk) 11:01, 28 July 2021 (UTC)

They look good, except that National Highways are missing (different from National Routes). I can't exactly remember, but I believe NZ just uses one type of number (State Highways). Not sure about PNG, except if they had infrastructure to begin with (bad joke... but it's full of mountains, and I plan to one day go to those). Tiny countries like Nauru, Micronesia or Tuvalu probably won't have any numbers for roads (iirc from a video I watched about visiting Tuvalu, they only have one road) SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 12:28, 28 July 2021 (UTC)

From what I read, the national highways are all being replaced gradually with alphanumeric highways, right? I don't know to what extend they're already replaced, but would it be worthwhile to add them? If they're all gone by - say - 2025, I don't see their addition as essential, but I am in no way an Aussie. I'll have to see about the rest of the countries still on the list at a later point, but I might knock out a fair chunk of them this week. I'll no doubt can just strike a number of island countries off of the list because, as you say, major roads aren't much of thing.
-- Wauteurz (talk) 12:38, 28 July 2021 (UTC)

I believe WA is still using them but the only source I have here is reading Eyre Highway. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 12:40, 28 July 2021 (UTC)

Template:V line

Hi there, just wanted to ask why is {{V line}} not working? It's meant to show the different rail lines but it doesn't seem to work and producing a blank space (like this one: ). Do you know what's wrong with my code?

Thanks, SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 00:40, 29 July 2021 (UTC)

I managed to only solve half the problem here. So {{V line|1}} would do the job and produce , but {{V line|Albury}} won't produce the template and instead be blank. Do you know how to fix it? Cheers, SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 02:58, 29 July 2021 (UTC)

This happens because {{lc:}} converts everything between : and the closing brackets to lower case text. The options are capitalised. Simply making the options in the Switch-function lowercase would sort this out.

That said, templates like these shouldn't exist as a standalone, and I don't mean that to discourage you. When work on {{Rint}} started back in 2018, it was agreed to use that template to unify the way these kinds of labels work, cutting down Commons as a middleman, as Commons can't always be considered reliable. Additionally, using Rint labels, we're able to more or less have a set of limitations on how transit lines appear on Wikivoyage, making our branding a bit more distinct.

Checking Melbourne's listings, it doesn't seem that V/Line is in there yet, so I'll go ahead and add these lines as well. If there's more lines that need to be added to Rint, you can edit them yourself with Template Editor or higher ranks, or you can request edits here. I usually try and get those done within a day.
-- Wauteurz (talk) 10:33, 29 July 2021 (UTC)

Thanks for the tip. It's working now. I have edited rint before, but haven't added much (mainly  F9  and  B1  and some others), but that was when I was a template editor some moons ago. I just wanted to create a separate template solely for the images (just because searching for the file on commons is tedious). But I do very much agree that commons is quite unreliable (@Ikan Kekek: would very much agree on that) SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 11:46, 29 July 2021 (UTC)

routebox with templates

Given that {{routebox}} can only take images, I decided to try and use that concept on the French Wikivoyage (which you can see here, although it's largely incomplete). I wonder if that's possible to do on the English Wikivoyage as well, considering that {{routebox}} uses a different coding mechanism to there, you'd think it's a good idea to make here as well? —The preceding comment was added by SHB2000 (talk • contribs)

@SHB2000: This is a plan of mine to get working in the long term, yes. Before I took over {{Routebox entry}} for the RINT-project, it was purely a template that created simple labels for usage in {{Routebox}}, but implementing those changes in Routebox never happened. I did therefore already see this as a project I'd want to tackle at some point down the line, which prompted me to set up RINTroad. So yes, obviously I think it's a good idea, but I am not entirely sure on how to make it work with the existing Routebox template. It might be worthwhile to simply spread it across multiple templates, and give it a similar structure to tables (open, contents, close).

This would then also remove the hard-coded limit to 10 items per routebox, which might be a slight risk, but it can be managed, I reckon. I'm just not convinced that it's a good fit though, because a modified Routebox would need to

• (Ideally) be backwards compatible,
• Allow for both RINT and RINTroad to work with it (so an ability to switch between them and images),
• Not deviate from the established routebox when it comes to looks, the reader shouldn't be able to tell the two apart,
• Be easy to maintain. Ideally: Make once, use forever.

Honestly, it can be done, and probably best practise would be to throw a load of switch-statements into {{Routebox}}. After all these years though, I never looked into it fully, and it's something that landed on the backburner for me. If you're convinced that it's feasible though, I would happily reserve some time to draft up a concept of such a Routebox. I have just always been somewhat hesitant to get any work done on it though.
Wauteurz (talk) 23:42, 16 September 2021 (UTC)

I was up last night trying to figure out how to do this, and it was working on the French Wikivoyage. I've copied that template here which can now be seen at {{routebox2}} although it still has "modèle" instead of "Template" which I'll do in the upcoming few days. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 23:56, 16 September 2021 (UTC)

Train

The only reason why I added it on Special:Diff/4311399 is because technically trains in Sydney, Melbourne, and parts of Brisbane, Adelaide, and Auckland's trail systems are all underground but don't usually use those terminology mentioned. But anyway, metro is not uncommon these days. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 12:59, 16 October 2021 (UTC)

I gathered about as much from the summary, yes. Still, the word "train" is in most uses of English linked with what RINT displays as {{rint|rail}} , hence why I removed it. A train simply isn't unique to subways to warrant being added as an alternative. Wauteurz (talk) 17:04, 16 October 2021 (UTC)

🎄 Happy Christmas 🎄

I heard NL was in another lockdown, so just wanted to send some Wikilove and solidarity across the North Sea. Hope you still have a lovely day. Things will be better in 2022.--ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 11:36, 25 December 2021 (UTC)

Thank you! I definitely am not the one struggling most under lockdowns, but having now spent two Christmases and two birthdays in a lockdown, we can only hope 2022 will be better! Happy holidays to yourself as well. :D
-- Wauteurz (talk) 12:55, 25 December 2021 (UTC)

Things were better in 2022. Happy days!

(Sorry for my delay in replying to your comments on Talk:Kusttram).--ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 18:53, 22 December 2022 (UTC)

Merry Christmas and Happy Birthday from me as well as I noticed TT's comment in Recent changes :) . Ypsilon (talk) 19:32, 22 December 2022 (UTC)

@ThunderingTyphoons!: Thank you! I honestly couldn't agree more. Happy holidays to you all the same :D

@Ypsilon: Tack så mycket! Det här är första gången jag får säga detta på svenska, men en god jul till dig också!
-- Wauteurz (talk) 20:15, 22 December 2022 (UTC)

Hi Wauteurz, happy birthday and an early Merry Christmas from me :-). It's great that everything has (mostly) returned back to normal this year – let's see what next year brings us. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta) 22:57, 22 December 2022 (UTC)

Sallandse Heuvelrug National Park

Excellent work. This article looks great now. Ground Zero (talk) 13:25, 1 April 2024 (UTC)

Thank you, @GZ! I didn't expect to have it done so quickly. Like I said in the VfD thread, I just noted it down to return to when I had more time on my hands. The Easter weekend's been an extended weekend off though, and I didn't have much planned anyway, so the article was finished before I realised it. It does make me long to tick off a few more destinations I've been brewing on, which I know I won't finish any time soon...
― Wauteurz (talk) 14:05, 1 April 2024 (UTC)

Eurostar Red

Hiya. Hope you're well. How's the course going? Do you have any digs or other field work planned this spring/summer?

Just on Eurostar Red/Blue, do you know if those are public-facing names that are being used in official publicity or just nicknames that people have come up with based on the different liveries of the trainsets? I was heading home from Gare du Nord in January, and both London- and Amsterdam-bound trains side-by-side were just labelled 'Eurostar'.--ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 19:57, 5 April 2024 (UTC)

I'm doing alright, thanks for asking. Hope the same goes for you :)

I'm guessing you're referring to my thesis, which, well... It was already due in February, which has since turned into mid-May. I'm making progress, even if it's slower than I would've liked. The fieldwork for that isn't disturbing (i.e., no digging involved), since I'm working with cultural heritage instead of excavation, and most of that fieldwork has already been done a year ago. Thankfully, I don't have much left on the planning when it comes to that. After June, it looks like it'll just be a summer of sending out resumés to see who'll take me :P

Anyway, Eurostar: I believe the Red/Blue labels originally are from 2019, when the merger was announced under the name of "Green Speed". They were definitely coined by Eurostar/Thalys though. I believe the label of Eurostar Red mostly exists because Thalys was a registered trademark and (apparently) needed to be renamed? I'm not sure to what extent they were planned to be public-facing names, but they don't get presented to travellers post-merger - I don't see it in NS' app, for example. It doesn't even look like the newly-refurbished PBKA's carry the label "red" anywhere - it's just maintained as a colour scheme until Eurostar at some point decides that it needs new trains. I wouldn't be surprised if Eurostar parts with the PBA's in a few years time and replaces them with something that isn't red.
― Wauteurz (talk) 20:56, 5 April 2024 (UTC)

@TT!: Looking at this press announcement by SNCF, the red/blue is just to used towards the public when it needs to differentiate between Eurostar and the company formerly known as Thalys. In other words, no, it doesn't seem to be a customer-facing name, but they were names that Eurostar used in the lead-up to the merger (that also might help train nitwits find the correct Eurostar train).
― Wauteurz (talk) 21:38, 5 April 2024 (UTC)

Hey, I'm glad that you're well. I'm prepping a temporary move to Canada by the end of June so am trying to find work before arrival if at all possible.

If Eurostar Red isn't a public brand name, maybe we shouldn't use it in WV as though it were? We could call them "red Eurostar[s]" or "red Eurostar trains", for instance.

I can't help feeling the merge and rebrand have been somewhat bungled by not either (a) timetabling a gradual repaint of the Thalys sets to corporate colours or (b) doubling down on the Red / Blue to maintain a brand-name distinction between intra-Schengen and Schengen<>UK services.

Good luck with the thesis, and try not to worry too much about the deadline. I also had to miss the odd deadline and still got a good degree in the end. Unis want you to do well, and typically bend over backwards for good and communicative students, which it sounds like you are :) -- ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 16:10, 7 April 2024 (UTC)

I have no issues with using "red Eurostars" as a replacement for "Thalys" where it's useful, and otherwise I'd say we just call it by the name it calls itself (i.e., "Eurostar"). I personally think that the Red/Blue thing might've been a way for Eurostar to maintain some of how recognisable Thalys is/was, but that's neither here nor there.

Aside from that, thank you. It's me that wants to follow those deadlines, mostly for my own sanity (and wallet). Making the best out of what I've got is always my intention, and that doesn't change, even if I'm mentally exhausted with water mill-related stuff at this point :)
― Wauteurz (talk) 13:18, 12 April 2024 (UTC)