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Postal address information[edit]

SelfieCity, when you add into a listing address the town's name (where it is the same as the article), the state, and the zip code, you are creating work for other editors who end up cleaning up after you.

Please don't do that.

If you don't understand something about Wikivoyage style, please ask. We are here to help. Regards, Ground Zero (talk) 01:02, 18 December 2017 (UTC)

Yes. I don't live in England, for a start. Thanks for telling me. I'm now putting your advice into practice on the Sunol page, though.SelfieCity (talk) 01:08, 18 December 2017 (UTC)

Thank you. Ground Zero (talk) 02:43, 18 December 2017 (UTC)

Estados Unidos Mexicanos[edit]

Thanks a lot for creating articles about towns in Mexico!

I know this may be pedantic, but Mexico is a federation of states, not provinces. Also, The link to the article for Durango state is Durango (state).


Ikan Kekek (talk) 05:10, 18 December 2017 (UTC)

Thanks. Actually, someone told me that recently and they were right. Should I add Nuevo Ideal to the list of cities in the state of Durango? SelfieCity (talk) 05:18, 18 December 2017 (UTC)

Yes please. Ikan Kekek (talk) 05:21, 18 December 2017 (UTC)

listing entries[edit]

Firstly, great that you are expanding articles on Wikivoyage. I am however interested how you are creating listings, do we have an incorrect tool or document somewhere? A number of listing created do not have a bullet star at the start of the line and are starting with capital letter for the type, i.e. See not see. This will cause a few minor formatting and mapping issues. Have you used the Listings icons in the edit window? This also creates a spacing that is easier to read and edit. --Traveler100 (talk) 06:45, 18 December 2017 (UTC)

Generally, yes, I noticed that articles generally have bullet points before them. I have often not followed this practice. That is because some other Wikivoyage pages, like some of the major entries on New York City don't have bullets. I'll use bullets now I know that's the only right way to do it. SelfieCity (talk) 15:19, 18 December 2017 (UTC)

Ah, that is a little different, is is classed as a Huge City with districts, treat it more like region which does not have listings. Do concern yourself, does not take too long to get the hang of the conventions here. --Traveler100 (talk) 21:08, 20 December 2017 (UTC)

Thanks. SelfieCity (talk) 22:33, 20 December 2017 (UTC)

Next-to-impossible destinations[edit]


As you're interested in places like Alaska, Greenland and Bir Tawil, I think you may enjoy the Next-to-impossible destinations article (in the case you haven't stumbled upon it yet). Anyways, happy travels and happy editing! ϒpsilon (talk) 19:37, 20 December 2017 (UTC)

Cool! I wish I could go to many of these places but the closest I've gotten is Google Earth! SelfieCity (talk) 19:40, 20 December 2017 (UTC)


Merry Christmas, SelfieCity, and thanks so much for all your diligent work, which has brought a lot of improvements!

One small but not totally unimportant favor I'd like to ask of you: When you post to talk (discussion) pages such as Talk:Morgan Hill, please sign each post. You can do that by typing 4 tildes (~) in a row at the end of the post. It's important to do that, because no-one will have an easy way to determine who posted a message if you don't sign it.

Ikan Kekek (talk) 00:57, 25 December 2017 (UTC)

Yes . . . I occasionally forget . . . SelfieCity (talk) 01:37, 25 December 2017 (UTC)


So I saw the comment on your user page about your interest in Guadelupe Island, about which I knew nothing. I started reading up on it, and ended up starting an article here using stuff from Wikipedia. It's very rough, but it's a start. Would you be interested in helping develop this article further? Ground Zero (talk) 02:33, 27 December 2017 (UTC)

Yeah, sure. Selfie City (talk) 02:44, 27 December 2017 (UTC)

New articles, photos of businesses[edit]

Hi, and again thanks for being so active and adding so much content!

I'm wondering about some of the articles you're starting though, for example Manley Hot Springs. Is there much more to add? If not, does it really merit an article of its own?

The other thing is a much less important issue even than this: Wikivoyage has a rather restrictive guideline on posting photos of businesses. The gist of it is: "As a general rule, photos of individual businesses, especially those seen to be promotional, will be removed. Exceptions include images that are meant to be illustrative of the type of business establishment in a certain region, or those of exceptionally famous establishments." It's for this reason that I removed the photo of Strizzi's in Pleasanton, which is not particularly interesting to look at. If the restaurant is super-famous regionally (i.e., for some ways beyond Pleasanton), I may have been wrong to do so, but to give you a bit of a sense of current Wikivoyage practice, in the Manhattan/Lower East Side and Manhattan/East Village articles, respectively, photos of Katz's Delicatessen and McSorley's Old Ale House are included. Katz's is world-famous for its pastrami, history, and having been featured in When Harry Met Sally, and McSorley's is the oldest continuously operating bar in New York, reportedly dating back to 1854.


Ikan Kekek (talk) 04:01, 27 December 2017 (UTC)

That makes sense. If that's the case, the one inside the main Inklings room could also go. With some of the park articles (like Henry Coe and Del Valle), they are large parks with campsites, so they pass the "can you sleep there" test. Selfie City (talk) 04:13, 27 December 2017 (UTC)
The "can you sleep there" test is just a rough guideline. There are places where you can't legally sleep for the night that have so much to say about them that they are viable articles (e.g., Angkor Archaeological Park, Manhattan/Central Park), but there are also places where you can sleep that nevertheless work better being parts of other articles. It's pretty common for an article to also cover some neighboring towns, or even to cover someplace at a fair distance as a "Go next" entry instead of an entirely different destination article. Ikan Kekek (talk) 04:23, 27 December 2017 (UTC)
Got it. Thanks. Selfie City (talk) 04:26, 27 December 2017 (UTC)
I'm not sure about the interior of Inklings. It's an interesting room. I think the photo could remain if you like, but if so, the photo of the Tri-Valley Jazz Trio playing there needs to be removed because promoting one business with two different photos just seems unacceptable to me.
By the way, I'm not convinced that you are always correct in removing inline primary links. Sometimes, those are appropriate. Ikan Kekek (talk) 11:02, 27 December 2017 (UTC)
I'll remove the picture. When it comes to inline primary links . . . I'm guessing you mean Livermore, I removed some of the ones to minor organizations, not the ones for restaurants and that sort of thing. Selfie City (talk) 15:18, 27 December 2017 (UTC)
I've seen you remove such links a number of times and don't remember specific cases off-hand other than the 100-year-old lightbulb. I'm happy to leave you to your own judgment and I'm not saying you were wrong to remove them, just that it's not always best to do so. Ikan Kekek (talk) 15:55, 27 December 2017 (UTC)
Okay, I'll just be more careful about which ones I remove in future. I just thought that links could only be used for restaurant listings, etc. Selfie City (talk) 15:56, 27 December 2017 (UTC)

VfD on Mexican Riviera[edit]

I was archiving the discussion while you posted. You didn't give me much time to complete this. The archived discussion doesnt include your comment, because that was posted after I archived. Your comment therefore has been deleted. If you want to included in the archive, feel free to add it. Ground Zero (talk) 16:44, 14 January 2018 (UTC)

An award for you![edit]

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I've been watching you. Not only have you been doing good work, but you've been doing a lot of it. I hope you like it here and decide to stick around long-term, because Wikivoyage could use more contributors like you. -- AndreCarrotflower (talk) 02:30, 15 January 2018 (UTC)
Hear! Hear! A well-deserved award! Thanks for your ongoing contributions. Ground Zero (talk) 02:50, 15 January 2018 (UTC)


Wow! Just wow! I like the idea of a fictional city. And your userpage is amazing! Jay Jay Marcus Keize13 (talk) 23:50, 4 March 2018 (UTC)


What are you planning for this article that is different from The Jazz Track? —Justin (koavf)TCM 01:51, 11 May 2018 (UTC)

First, that article is an itinerary; this will be a travel topic. However, I plan to write about more jazz locations than just the ones in that itinerary - the itinerary only goes up to the 1930s and gives little mention to Charlie Parker, Ornette Coleman, Benny Golson, and other jazz musicians in more recent times. That article is talking about one area and time period in jazz; I plan for this to cover the whole thing. Selfie City (talk) 01:57, 11 May 2018 (UTC)
Boss. Don't let me stop you and please let me know if you want assistance. Thanks for this! —Justin (koavf)TCM 02:00, 11 May 2018 (UTC)
Thank you for your thoughts on this. By the way, I also want to mention that I'm not blaming the itinerary. It does a decent job of talking about the jazz of a certain period, but it still only really talks about a particular period in jazz. Of course, that itinerary could be called the "Traditional jazz track", which would more accurately describe the purpose that article is serving. Selfie City (talk) 02:20, 11 May 2018 (UTC)


How would you feel about being nominated to be an administrator? You haven't been here that long, but I think you've demonstrated the necessary level of interest and commitment. If you are willing, I will make the nomination. Regards, Ground Zero (talk) 00:54, 31 May 2018 (UTC)

For what it's worth, I agree and would trust your use of admin tools if you choose to take on that responsibility. Ikan Kekek (talk) 01:02, 31 May 2018 (UTC)
I'm fine with that. Thanks, both of you and other Wikivoyage contributors, for your help. Selfie City (talk) 01:17, 31 May 2018 (UTC)
Selfie, I am sorry for the rough ride you are getting through this nomination. I feel partly responsible for having nominated you so soon. You are making a tremendous contribution to Wikivoyage. Although we disagree on some matters of policy, that is part of life in a collaborative project. I still think you would make an excellent administrstor, and I look forward to supporting your re-nomination sometime down the road. It is great to have you in the project. Ground Zero (talk) 05:16, 10 June 2018 (UTC)
I hope to revisit this in the future, too. I don't think it's your fault that you are not yet familiar with the hornets' nests on this site, but you've stumbled into a very big one in the Pub. Ikan Kekek (talk) 09:51, 10 June 2018 (UTC)
Ikan Kekek, it seems that everything has turned out okay: check this out. Sorry for any problems I've caused in relation to that issue. Selfie City (talk) 23:25, 11 June 2018 (UTC)

Upgrading to usable status[edit]

Hi SelfieCity. I'm glad to see you're working on upgrading city articles, but please make sure that they actually meet the criteria explained in Wikivoyage:City guide status. I'm noticing quite a few articles being added to the "usable" category that don't actually meet the criteria, so please be careful. Thanks! —Granger (talk · contribs) 13:58, 4 June 2018 (UTC)

Which ones are you referring to? All of the ones I've been upgrading to some information about getting in, and information about where to sleep. If they don't have anything in the "eat" section, that's because one of the hotels includes a restaurant according to the article. Selfie City (talk) 14:01, 4 June 2018 (UTC)
I'm referring to articles such as Afandou (which has no "Eat" listings), Åbenrå (which has no attractions or activities), and Altus (Arkansas) (which has no "Sleep" listings even though it says that the town has bed-and-breakfasts).
It's true that a couple of the articles I've reverted mention food options in the "Drink" or "Sleep" section—I guess it can be argued that that's enough to satisfy the "Eat" requirement, but I think that's debatable. At minimum I think the "Eat" section should contain a pointer to the section that has the restaurant listings. —Granger (talk · contribs) 14:10, 4 June 2018 (UTC)
Yes, I can see now that Altus (Arkansas), for example, lacks truly useful information about where to sleep. I'm pretty sure my standard for usable was too low when I was upgrading these. Sorry if I've caused any problems with this. Selfie City (talk) 14:13, 4 June 2018 (UTC)
No problem, I just thought I'd mention it. —Granger (talk · contribs) 14:20, 4 June 2018 (UTC)

Theocracies and monarchies[edit]

I don't agree with that redirect. Iran is a theocracy, and it's an Islamic republic, decidedly not a monarchy. Ikan Kekek (talk) 04:21, 12 June 2018 (UTC)

Is there anywhere else we could redirect it to? Selfie City (talk) 13:42, 12 June 2018 (UTC)
Religion, I guess. I agree that Monarchies isn't an appropriate target. —Granger (talk · contribs) 13:48, 12 June 2018 (UTC)
Do we have to have a redirect for every term? I'd support deletion. Ikan Kekek (talk) 17:28, 12 June 2018 (UTC)
Yes, I think you're right, unless we expanded our political history articles. I only realized recently that the only truly political-related article is History of justice. Should we put it on VFD? Selfie City (talk) 17:33, 12 June 2018 (UTC)
Maybe that's advisable, rather than just speedily deleting it. Dunno. Since you're the author, I think maybe I could just delete it with your say-so. Granger, do you think that would be OK? Ikan Kekek (talk) 19:48, 12 June 2018 (UTC)
I'll agree to deleting the redirect. Selfie City (talk) 20:10, 12 June 2018 (UTC)
Sure, that seems fine to me. There are two of them, just in case you haven't noticed: Theocracies and Theocracy. —Granger (talk · contribs) 23:18, 12 June 2018 (UTC)

Discussion continued at the Pub

Ross Island[edit]

Actually suggested create with Ross Island (disambiguation) as that would have been less effort. But never mind done now. But please all pages that link to Ross Island that are specifically referencing Ross Island (India) should now be edited. Moving has some responsibility. --Traveler100 (talk) 14:52, 18 June 2018 (UTC)

Oh, sorry. I'll get to work on that. Selfie City (talk) 16:27, 18 June 2018 (UTC)


I saw on the "Vandalism in Progress" page that you accused me (and my parent page, User:Libertarianmoderate) of being a guy named "Telstra". How can that be? From what little I know about this "Telstra" user, it seems like he's from Australia. I'm from America. If I were Telstra, why would I go to all the trouble of flying to America, going through TSA and customs, spending 1000s of dollars, just so I can hide out in America, set up three sockpuppet accounts, and seek revenge? Couldn't I have just used a computer at a friend's house?

Also, on an unrelated note, that was a great idea to format your page like an actual city article! I would never have thought of that myself! Of course, I'd have to create an account with the word "City" in it first. LibMod (talk) 20:07, 24 June 2018 (UTC)

Yes, well just some things to say: you edited two pages that were also edited by Telstra, so I thought there was a connection until Traveler100 convinced me that you weren't Telstra. Also, thank you for making clear that you are the same person as LibertarianModerate. LibMod and LibertarianModerate are sockpuppet accounts and this made me suspicious that you could be Telstra or some other vandal, but now you've made that clear, I can make that clear with the others.
Finally, I want to make clear that you had a three-day ban. Creating another account before the ban ended is considered by WV to be a block evasion. I know you didn't create an extra account to purposely cause problems but in future don't create multiple accounts with the intention of getting around a block if you ever have one again. Thanks, and hope to see you keep contributing to the site! Selfie City (talk) 20:57, 24 June 2018 (UTC)
And a little background to Telstra: yes, he/she's an Australian user who makes contributions to the site that are fairly harmless, but not very helpful either. He/she creates multiple accounts to avoid any bans or blocks on his/her account so he/she can continue making useless contributions over and over again. The fact you had created multiple accounts seemed to be a warning sign, but you're not Telstra because Telstra never replies to statements on his/her talk page or makes any comments. And once again, thanks for your contributions and keep contributing. Selfie City (talk) 21:02, 24 June 2018 (UTC)
Also, I hope you're not offended by my connecting you to Telstra. I'm not trying to cause any problems for new users and would like to see you contribute regularly to the site, since we have plenty of users and administrators but not enough contributors on WV. Selfie City (talk) 21:05, 24 June 2018 (UTC)
The Telstra user's edits aren't harmless. They frequently include copyright violation. Ikan Kekek (talk) 21:42, 24 June 2018 (UTC)
Oh, I didn't know that, but I'm not hugely surprised. Selfie City (talk) 21:50, 24 June 2018 (UTC)
Sounds pretty bad. I'll keep an eye out for this guy. Libertarianmoderate (talk) 19:39, 25 June 2018 (UTC)

Just a heads up that any username like User:TheSeriousTourist83 (basically anyone describing themselves as a tourist or traveller) is almost certainly a Telstra account. A look at the user's contribution history should confirm or deny this. Best wishes, ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 17:00, 27 June 2018 (UTC) ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 17:00, 27 June 2018 (UTC)

Thanks, because recently I edited a page that had been created by that person; wasn't completely sure if Telstra or not, so I didn't take action. Selfie City (talk) 17:01, 27 June 2018 (UTC)
Well, you'll know in future. ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 17:17, 27 June 2018 (UTC)
Letting you know, here's the name of the page I edited (it's deleted now): Pérols-sur-Vézère. Selfie City (talk) 17:19, 27 June 2018 (UTC)

Upgrading to guide - url check[edit]

Just a tip with the activity you are working on. Enable the "ErrorHighlighter" gadget from your user preferences. After enabling the gadget, invalid links will display followed by a very noticeable "dead link" warning. For example Daytona Beach had 12 listing with broken web links, and Charleston (South Carolina) about 6 when upgraded to Guide status. --Traveler100 (talk) 15:00, 15 July 2018 (UTC)

You mean, this will let me know if I'm upgrading something to guide that has some issues with links? Thanks, Traveler100, although I haven't been doing a lot of upgrading to guide over the last few days.
I've enabled the gadget. Selfie City (talk) 03:21, 18 July 2018 (UTC)
Well it is not quit that smart. There is a bot that is run a couple of times a year that marks links that do not work at that point. These marks will be seen highlighted in yellow when this option is on. The link could be working again but there is always the possibility another company is now using the domain. --Traveler100 (talk) 05:04, 18 July 2018 (UTC)
Oh yes, I vaguely remember seeing something about flagging dead links, when was in article history. Thanks for telling me about this. Selfie City (talk) 14:41, 18 July 2018 (UTC)