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Adding a note on pages to encourage readers to start editing[edit]

Hi WhatamIdoing. following your insightful reply in the Travellers' pub about this topic, I decided to change the template that we use on the Hebrew Wikivoyage, which now looks like this...

Translate to Hebrew arrow.png
Are you familiar with this destination?
If so, please help improve this article by adding information about the most successful attractions, restaurants, and hotels in this destination (clicking the "Add listing" will enable you to do that), and/or by expanding the article with translated content from the corresponding English Wikivoyage article.


I am hoping that this approach would make it more clear that anyone can take part in improving the articles they come across. what do you think? any additional ideas on how to improve this template would be more than welcome. ויקיג'אנקי (talk) 20:22, 7 February 2017 (UTC)

I think that directly addressing the reader might be helpful. This should reduce the risk of someone thinking that it's a message to somebody else. (Are you familiar with w:en:Somebody else's problem?) This could be simple: "Hello" or "Hello, visitor!"
Sometimes the "best" thing to do is culture-specific. For example, when you're dealing with Japanese people, then a cute icon increases the click-through rate. In some places, it might be best to be friendly and informal ("Hey, have you ever been here?") and some times it might be better to be formal and respectful.  I don't know what's most likely with your group, but you might be able to come up with a couple of guesses.
You could run your own w:A/B test with these messages. I'd rate this message as being fairly formal, so you could create a chatty or funny message as an alternative. Run them at different times (if you want to do this up in style, then we can talk to the CentralNotice admins at Meta, but you could just do it manually), and see whether one gets better responses than the other. If you find something that works for you, then please share your advice with the other Wikivoyages. :-) WhatamIdoing (talk) 22:00, 7 February 2017 (UTC)
Thanks for all the tips. From my experience it seems that most Hebrew speakers aren't interested in spending their time on creating new content for Wiki articles (although the success of the Hebrew Wikipedia proves probably, in my opinion, that they are more willing to do so if there is a relatively high readership to their work). From my experience usually the average Hebrew speaking editor is more likely to improve content than add new content... and the Hebrew Wikivoyage mostly needs new content (we, the few active editors of Hebvoy... have tried to translate a lot of content through the years from engvoy, but it takes a long time for the few active editors, and currently Hebvoy mostly consists of outline articles without much content which we gradually expand (and we are counting very much on the public to help expand the majority of the content so that hebvoy would significantly grow still within the next couple of years).
I am very interested in the marketing aspect of this experiment of ours... there definitely are many ways we could try to rephrase the message in that template above, yet, if it was completely up to you .... (I have a feeling you have a good hunch about how to phrase it in a good way) how would you rephrase it to increase the chances of having the people whom stumble across the website help expand it ? ויקיג'אנקי (talk) 22:53, 7 February 2017 (UTC)
It's not really a question of having a good hunch; it's a question of trying different things. User:Mooeypoo, what do you think? Can you write me a happy-funny version of the above message (in Hebrew, because funny things don't translate well)? You can change anything you want, including the image. WhatamIdoing (talk) 23:19, 7 February 2017 (UTC)
Following your Japanese example, I have just changed it to look like this.....
Wikignome wikivoyage crop.jpg
Are you familiar with this destination?
If so, please help improve this page by adding information about the most successful attractions, restaurants, and hotels in this destination (clicking the "Add listing" will enable you to do that), and/or by expanding the article with translated content from the corresponding English Wikivoyage article.


(See example on the top of this page)

It would be interesting to see if this change would have any affect. ויקיג'אנקי (talk) 01:47, 8 February 2017 (UTC)

It looks like the Hebrew Wikivoyage got about 20 edits by anons during the last seven days, and 248 edits by registered users. I see 21 edits by 5 new registered editors (one truly new and the other four from other wikis). So I suppose that is the baseline activity (unless you have better numbers).
Now to create another option that you could try. I'll go for an informal version:
Wikignome wikivoyage crop.jpg
Hello, friend! Have you been to this destination before?
The gnome is trying to find a good restaurant here. Do you know one? Just find the "Add listing" button, click it, and fill in the blue form to tell the gnome about your favorite. We'd really appreciate your help. Thanks!


What do you think? Could we compare these two, and see if it helps? WhatamIdoing (talk) 03:36, 8 February 2017 (UTC)
Thanks for the suggestion. unfortunately it doesn't translate well to Hebrew + it doesn't encourage people to translate content (the main thing we must encourage people to do). I will compare the impact of the gnome version with a non-gnome version.
about the recent edits from various users and anonymous users .... they are all people I located on the Hebrew Wikipedia as being experts in various languages, whom I invited (with the help of "send user e-mail" feature) to finish the work on the different phrasebooks in the Hebrew Wikivoyage. They usually help a bit just on the specific phrasebook they came to edit, but after that they usually never edit any other article. ויקיג'אנקי (talk) 05:15, 8 February 2017 (UTC)
Why do you want people to translate articles, rather than adding their own information? WhatamIdoing (talk) 23:18, 9 February 2017 (UTC)
It's quite simple.... there simply aren't that many Hebrew speakers in the world for this to run itself at this point (the majority of Hebrew speakers world wide live in Israel or have lived in Israel the majority of their lives). The amount of English speakers is tremendous in comparison, and English speakers live anywhere (that, in my opinion, is the main reason English wiki websites work best). What this means is that there is a much higher likelihood that local English speakers would have a lot to contribute about the destinations they are well familiar with... while the small amount of Hebrew-speaking-wiki-culture-enthusiasts (we're not a very big club) would have to, at the very least, first create the "foundation" of the Hebrew Wikivoyage by writing mostly about destinations we have never been to, with the help of translations, with the hopes that sooner or later other Hebrew speakers would be inspired to expand our work with original content. I should mention though that once in a long while we do get participation from expert Hebrew speaking travelers whom expand specific articles with original content in Hebrew, but they are very rare. ויקיג'אנקי (talk) 02:25, 11 February 2017 (UTC)
But adding your own things might be more fun than translating someone else's. So there's another thing we could test: add your own versus translate someone else's work. WhatamIdoing (talk) 16:33, 11 February 2017 (UTC)