Wikivoyage:Destination of the month candidates/Banners
Please suggest banners for display on the main page for upcoming features below. Please try to use banner dimensions of 1700 x 567, and keep the blurb text to a reasonable length. The images from which you create the banners should be of high quality, and ideally of equal or greater resolution than the banner (to ensure high resolution). For inspiration, take a look in the banner Hall of 'Fame'.
Please upload all banner suggestions locally—to Wikivoyage rather than Commons, and put them in Category:DotM banners. If starting a discussion on a suggested feature that has not been discussed yet below, put the discussion at the bottom of the page underneath a new first-level header, such as
= New York =
When updating the Main Page banners, please update Main Page/Photo credits as well.
Once in situ, suggested banners and their accompanying discussions will be archived.
Given the COVID pandemic and some of the projections we've been hearing about how long before things get back to normal, there's a not insignificant chance that my earlier plans to travel the Buffalo-Pittsburgh Highway once again this summer, and do a final run-through of this article before its FTT term to personally ensure its content remains accurate, might not be feasible. Thankfully, I had the presence of mind to take multitudinous photographs along my initial trips down the BPH two summers ago, with an eye toward eventually using them to illustrate the article and make Main Page banners. And, as I said over on the main DotM page, I promised myself that once the Buffalo-Pittsburgh Highway article attained Guide status, I could jump the gun a little bit and submit the banners for your consideration. So without further ado, let's hear what you have to say. -- AndreCarrotflower (talk) 20:08, 22 April 2020 (UTC)
- I'm going to do something I don't usually, and hold off on formulating my own votes until I hear what others have to say. I'm doing this mostly because I'm honestly stumped as to which I prefer. But, in this space here, let me guide you through the criteria I used in choosing source images. For me, there are three key ingredients in what the Buffalo-Pittsburgh Highway experience is all about, and they're reflected in the wording of the text blurb: "road trip", "Rust Belt history", and "Great Industrial Broadway". Respectively, Banners #4 (Route 119 just outside Punxsutawney) and #6 (roadside scenery in West Virginia) represent the road trip end of the equation, #s 3 (the Lily of the Valley Historic District in downtown Ridgway) and 5 (the J. P. Carter and Silas M. Clark Houses in Indiana) depict the elegant period architecture that testifies to the region's prosperity back in the good old days, and #s 1 (the Old First Ward of Buffalo, with the Michigan Avenue Bridge and the grain elevator district in the background) and 2 (the Domtar Paper Mill in Johnsonburg) speak of what traditional industry remains in the region today. I wish I could have found a banner that depicted two or more of those elements in one go, but I wasn't able to, so I guess it's a question of which factor you folks think is of the most importance, or else simply which banner you think is nicest looking. -- AndreCarrotflower (talk) 20:08, 22 April 2020 (UTC)
- The ones with the most character are #2 and #5. The best road trip one is #4. Since we're being unusual, I'm going to rank those three equally for now, in the hope that one of them will make the final cut, and then place the remainders as 1, 6, 3. To revisit.--ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 13:28, 23 April 2020 (UTC)
- 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6. I think! That's the hardest one on which I've voted so far, probably? They're all good. --Comment by Selfie City (talk | contributions) 13:37, 23 April 2020 (UTC)
- Nice banners. I'll go for the ones with some industrial heritage in them, and then proceed to ones with road/traffic in them, so 2, 1, 4, 5, 3, 6. --Ypsilon (talk) 14:07, 23 April 2020 (UTC)
- Powers mentioned that he has some familiarity with the route as well, so I'm pinging him to see what he thinks. -- AndreCarrotflower (talk) 16:42, 23 April 2020 (UTC)
- Thanks. I'm as torn as everyone else. Had I my druthers, I'd like to see a shot of Bradford's oil refineries, but a truly good one might require a drone -- or stopping on the expressway. I would also consider a shot of the Johnsonburg Domtar plant from the new 219 bypass. With respect to the six shown here, I keep coming back to 1, 2, and 3, and hoping that it's not just because those are the three communities I've seen the most. Powers (talk) 18:46, 25 April 2020 (UTC)
- Ikan, since you just voted on the Faaborg and Chinese cuisine banners below, would you mind opining on these? Normally I don't directly solicit people's participation in this manner, but as you can see, opinions are all over the place and there's no clear direction in which consensus is trending. -- AndreCarrotflower (talk) 03:32, 1 May 2020 (UTC)
- I've looked at them but have had trouble picking between them, as they're so varied and I don't really know the route. That said, #5 is the prettiest, though the buildings are leaning a bit; #2 shows a really interesting structure, though the clouds are too blue and part of the sky seems blown; #6 and #4 are delightfully rustic; #3 is a nice small-town downtown, though shot in less than ideal light; and #1 would also be fine, for all the obvious reasons. Taking into account the criteria of distinctiveness and photo quality, my final order is different from what I laid out above: 5, 1, 2, 6, 3, 4. Ikan Kekek (talk) 03:50, 1 May 2020 (UTC)
- Thanks everyone. I had hoped I would be less confused after hearing others' thoughts, but at this point, about the only thing I can say for sure about my own opinion is I like #3 the best. The rest of the ranking, I'm going to have to think a little more about. -- AndreCarrotflower (talk) 03:55, 1 May 2020 (UTC)
- Okay. For me it's #3 in first place, #5 in second, #s 1 and 2 tied for third, #4 in fifth and #6 in last. If you're driving down the Buffalo-Pittsburgh Highway, #s 4 and 6 are by far the kind of scenery you'll be seeing through your window most often, but it's not really representative of what the article is about, nor is it immediately identifiable as pertaining to the geographic region in general - if you were given the photos without the accompanying text and asked to guess where they were taken, it could be pretty much anywhere (other than a polar icecap or a desert or such things). As for #2, it has the makings of a good picture, but I was facing into the sun when I was taking it, and given what the original looked like, the fact that my photo editing software was able to extract at least somewhat natural-looking contrast, brightness, color saturation etc. levels out of it is a miracle in itself. But I'm still not entirely happy with the way the picture looks - the blown-out look to the clouds in the sky mentioned by Ikan is a particularly glaring (literally) example of what I'm talking about. -- AndreCarrotflower (talk) 16:12, 2 May 2020 (UTC)
One time long ago, I stated that it was "my personal goal to have at least three months' worth of featured-destination banners in queue at any given time". Today I'm proud to announce that I've reached that goal for the first time since the Antigua Guatemala DotM banners went live in November 2015.
In fact, to be more precise, that goal has been not only reached but exceeded - as you can see below, I have banners for Apia's August 2020 OtBP feature ready for your votes, and of course the Buffalo-Pittsburgh Highway banners went up a bit further in advance than usual as well.
Anyway. Let's hear your votes on the three banner options for Portland's DotM feature.
- One of the greatest travel tragedies to ever befall me was when the hard drive of my laptop went kaput and I lost all the photos I'd taken on what's still the only trip I've ever taken the the U.S. west coast, in 2005 - the images I captured of the International Rose Test Gardens in Portland would have been perfect when it came time to make these banners. However, despite starting out biased in favor of #2, ultimately I have to give first place to #3, a scene from the 2019 "Witches' Paddle" on the Willammette River - what better encapsulation of the "keep Portland weird" motto? Last-place #1 seems to be a very popular photo spot, at least judging by all the similar images I found on Commons and Flickr, but of course, it's a generic skyline image of the type that tend toward the anonymous and that don't really tell the viewers much about a place. Not to mention that it dates to 2007, and therefore, in the case of a fast-growing city like Portland, said skyline might look very different today. -- AndreCarrotflower (talk) 01:32, 9 May 2020 (UTC)
- I like the idea of a banner that hints at the "Keep Portland Weird" motto, but unfortunately in #3 it's hard to tell what is going on if you haven't heard the phrase "Witches' Paddle", so the image doesn't end up conveying much of anything besides a bridge. At least that was my thought when I saw the photo. #1 is beautiful but, as you say, a somewhat generic skyline image. I'll say 2, 1, 3. —Granger (talk · contribs) 01:56, 9 May 2020 (UTC)
- I don't know what "Witches' paddle" is, but #3 is strange, interesting and unique, totally unlike any other banner we've ever run, and it draws me in most as a viewer, so it's my favorite. After that is the pretty view of #1 and the rose garden, #2. All are good. If anyone wants to try making another banner, see if you can find any pictures of public art of sufficient size. There are a bunch of nice statues Downtown. Ikan Kekek (talk) 02:51, 9 May 2020 (UTC)
- Andre, sorry about the hard drive, and your point about change in the skyline is well taken, but I don't know what to do about it. If we run #3, we have to worry less about that, though. Ikan Kekek (talk) 02:53, 9 May 2020 (UTC)
- It's ancient history at this point, and now that I think of the camera I owned at that time, the photos likely wouldn't have been high-res enough for banner use anyway. As for the statues downtown, keep in mind that public art does not fall under the auspices of freedom of panorama in U.S. copyright law, so we'd have to either stick to pre-1925 works or come up with a fair use rationale that would justify us uploading it locally (which may or may not be a viable option; I'm not well-versed enough in copyright law to say). -- AndreCarrotflower (talk) 02:59, 9 May 2020 (UTC)
Question - as this article has not a single support vote to its name over on Wikivoyage:Destination_of_the_month_candidates#Portland_(Oregon), why are we voting on banners for it? --ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 13:00, 9 May 2020 (UTC)
- 1, 3, 2, if this ever goes on the main page. --Comment by Selfie City (talk | contributions) 15:06, 9 May 2020 (UTC)
- I think I'll go for the skyline #1 which for some reason seems to have the highest resolution. #2 and #3 are about equally good, but the roses are already in the article's own banner, so I have a slight preference for the one with the paddlers. So 1, 3, 2. --Ypsilon (talk) 15:27, 9 May 2020 (UTC)
More banners, just so that the whole business about "having three months' worth in reserve" doesn't stop being true in a couple days. Prepare to be underwhelmed by these. By the looks of it, Apia is not a terribly photogenic place, nor is it much of a tourist destination in its own right. Vote anyway! -- AndreCarrotflower (talk) 01:32, 9 May 2020 (UTC)
- Judging from what I saw at Commons and Flickr, that clock tower seems to be the only thing in town that can rightly be called a "landmark", so in my estimation, it needs to be shown in the banner. That propels #2 to the front of the pack by default, and neither of the other two banners make particularly strong counter-arguments. #3, the Cathedral of the Immaculate Conception, enjoys by far the best photo quality of the bunch, which by itself is enough to earn it second place, but the architecture of the church doesn't exactly scream out "South Pacific" - the palm trees along the bottom margin are pretty much the only clue that this isn't a picture of somewhere in Europe. Last-place #1 has nice colors but really dismal photo quality, not to mention there's no good place for the textbox. -- AndreCarrotflower (talk) 01:32, 9 May 2020 (UTC)
- 3, 2, 1, based on image quality. --Comment by Selfie City (talk | contributions) 15:07, 9 May 2020 (UTC)
- 3, 2, 1. The cathedral in 3 may have a European origin in its architecture, but there is something about its construction which makes it look like it is far south of Europe. 1 also has the cathedral, but the light doesn't bring it out. AlasdairW (talk) 21:49, 9 May 2020 (UTC)
- That "southern something" is the domes, common in Romanesque-style Catholic churches. Blue domes in particular are popular on Greek Orthodox churches. Looking at Apia's cathedral, it seems to mix those two styles with something more Flamboyant Gothic (the rose window à la Notre-Dame de Paris, the steeplets). Anyway, I vote 3, 2, 1 because of photo quality. Shame about #1.--ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 19:37, 1 June 2020 (UTC)
I've been taking a break from Wikivoyage lately to attend to other duties (for instance, buffing up Buffalo's presence on Commons; here's some of my recent work), but I'm popping my head back in to see to it that I don't fall behind on banners again. Here are four for our August FTT. -- AndreCarrotflower (talk) 00:09, 21 May 2020 (UTC)
- They're all good - I'd have been seriously negligent if any of them were not good, such was the richness of the available source material - but my ranking is #2 (despite the absence of any diver per se in the image), followed closely by #4 (depicting the wreck of the Jolanda in Ras Muhammad Protected Area, Egypt), then it's a toss-up for third but I'll put #3 (nice image with the marine life, but cruddy photo quality) just ever so slightly over #1 (bo-ring). -- AndreCarrotflower (talk) 00:09, 21 May 2020 (UTC)
- 2, 4, 3, 1, but I think #2 is by far the best out of a good selection. --Comment by Selfie City (talk | contributions) 01:13, 21 May 2020 (UTC)
- I too go for #2, then 3, 4, 1. Ypsilon (talk) 19:40, 1 June 2020 (UTC)
- 2, 1, 4, 3. All good.--ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 19:57, 1 June 2020 (UTC)
- 2 is irresistible to me. After that, I suppose I go for 3, 4 and 1 but have no strong feelings about any of them as clearly better than the others. Ikan Kekek (talk) 02:28, 11 June 2020 (UTC)
Judging by how busy EatchaBot has been on Commons archiving dead links from the Wayback Machine (not to mention the paltry selection of potential source images I found there), it looks like the hammer has come down at Flickr and they're starting to get serious about deleting media from inactive accounts. If true, this is going to make finding banner images tougher going forward. Here are three for our September OtBP. -- AndreCarrotflower (talk) 23:45, 10 June 2020 (UTC)
- #1 is the clear winner here. Tough choice for second, but I'm going to have to go with #3, an iconic view of the town's main drag and piazza and the sights thereon that's unfortunately marred by low resolution, rather than the higher quality but markedly less interesting street scene in #2. -- AndreCarrotflower (talk) 23:45, 10 June 2020 (UTC)
- 3, 2, 1. --Comment by Selfie City (talk | contributions) 01:22, 11 June 2020 (UTC)
- I agree completely with Andre here, except that I'd phrase it as 1 being the clear winner, 3 second and 2 unacceptable because it's an uninteresting sight, though a good composition. -- Ikan Kekek (talk) 02:32, 11 June 2020 (UTC)
- And I agree with Ikan – 1,3,2. --Ypsilon (talk) 14:27, 1 July 2020 (UTC)
1, 2, 3.1, 3, 2 --ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 15:43, 1 July 2020 (UTC)22:27, 2 July 2020 (UTC+1)
- I know we don't like skyline shots, but on aesthetic grounds alone, it's really hard to argue against #3. What a sunset! #2 - the view from the balcony of the Hotel Cinema Esther - is a close second, though, and more apropos of the blurb, depicting two elements of the UNESCO-listed "White City" of Bauhaus-influenced architecture. #1, the night view of the fountain in the center of Dizengoff Square, is third; #4, the beachfront view of the Old City, would have likely been at or near the top of my ranking but for the dismal image quality. -- AndreCarrotflower (talk) 00:07, 1 July 2020 (UTC)
- 3, 1, 4, 2. I agree that 4 would have been excellent with better image quality. —Granger (talk · contribs) 11:56, 1 July 2020 (UTC)
- 3, 1, 2, 4 per AndreCarrotflower. --Comment by Selfie City (talk | contributions) 13:14, 1 July 2020 (UTC)
- Skylines including this one are often great topics for banners on articles and the Main Page but I really like the fountain, so 1, 3, 2, 4. One more thing; it looks dangerous how the person sitting on the balcony in the Bauhaus banner! --Ypsilon (talk) 14:45, 1 July 2020 (UTC)
- All great, but 2, 3, 1, 4. The balcony figures are sculptures, methinks. --ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 15:46, 1 July 2020 (UTC)
- 1, 3, 2, 4, but they are all good. AlasdairW (talk) 20:23, 2 July 2020 (UTC)
- 4, 2, 1, 3 for me. I think I don't like #1 as a composition as much as most of you do, but if there's no photo of it in the appropriate Tel Aviv district article, there should be! Ikan Kekek (talk) 20:55, 2 July 2020 (UTC)
- I find the architecture featured in #2 nicer than #3, which bores me except that it's a nice sunset. I like #4 best because it's a nice composition in which picturesque Jaffa is in the background and beaches and the sea are in the foreground. -- Ikan Kekek (talk) 20:59, 2 July 2020 (UTC)
- To add a further comment, I'm not finding the quality of #4 dismal for a banner. Ikan Kekek (talk) 22:50, 3 July 2020 (UTC)
- Ikan Kekek - It's awfully grainy. Compare the sky in the upper left quadrant of #4 with the sky in #3. I tried editing the source image but that's one problem PhotoShop, Gimp and related programs don't solve well, at least not without reducing image quality overall. -- AndreCarrotflower (talk) 05:59, 4 July 2020 (UTC)
- To add a further comment, I'm not finding the quality of #4 dismal for a banner. Ikan Kekek (talk) 22:50, 3 July 2020 (UTC)
Only two banner selections this time, owing to scant coverage of Nkhata Bay on copyleft-compatible quarters of the Internet. When I first came to the category, there were a grand total of six images of sufficient resolution for use as a banner image. Four were of essentially the same scene of boats on the lake (the best of which I fashioned into Banner #1), another depicting a market that was quite ghastly when the 3:1 aspect ratio was applied (in the cropped version, the goods for sale at the stall looked more like piles of garbage along the side of a road), and still another anonymous view of a ferryboat. To those I added the source image for Banner #2, which I found on the otherwise equally barren Flickr.
- #2 very slightly over #1. -- AndreCarrotflower (talk) 23:19, 10 July 2020 (UTC)
- You had to go through a lot of effort to make these! It's unfortunate that #1 has posterization lines all over the sky on the left, but I don't notice that so much except on my 19-inch monitor, and most people will be using either their phones or small laptops. Anyway, that photo is all about Lake Malawi, and it's serene and beautiful, so I support it. #2 seems much more nondescript to me. (By the way, it should be "lying on the beach", since it's a transitive verb, not "laying", unless we're encouraging sexual activity on the beach... :-) Ikan Kekek (talk) 23:32, 10 July 2020 (UTC)
- I prefer #1, but #2 also looks nice. And thanks for correcting the blurb, Ikan. --Ypsilon (talk) 05:15, 11 July 2020 (UTC)
- #1 is the better photo. Not the best selection, but you had to work with what was available. Hopefully featuring it will inspire some local or tourist with a camera to populate the Commons category.--ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 13:44, 11 July 2020 (UTC)
- #2, followed by #1. --Comment by Selfie City (talk | contributions) 14:02, 11 July 2020 (UTC)
As it looks like Portland isn't going on the Main Page we have to have a replacement. At the DotM talk page I suggested to run some article that is already nominated: Bruges in September, or Nicosia in September or October. Both are good articles (says the one who's edited them :)), but as Tel Aviv is going to be featured too I think we could pick Bruges for some geographical spread.
So I made a few banners for Bruges. The first depicts the city's world-heritage listed Beguinage (convent), the second a city view with one of the canals criss-crossing the old town, the third which looks a little like the feature banner for Along the Magnificent Mile depicts the medieval Belfry of Bruges and an adjacent building, and the last one is a serene autumn afternoon scene of a canal and buildings next to it.
And should Portland against all odds be featured after all or some other article be chosen, well, then we have banners for Bruges for its slot next spring or summer. Vote! --Ypsilon (talk) 15:46, 30 July 2020 (UTC)
- 4, 1, 3, 2. Ypsilon (talk) 15:45, 30 July 2020 (UTC)
- 4, 2, 1, 3. Thanks Ypsilon. --Comment by Selfie City (talk | contributions) 15:51, 30 July 2020 (UTC)
- Any of these photos would be good. My order of preference is 2, 3, 4, 1. I haven't been to Bruges, but 2 shows a bunch of unique buildings plus the canal and nice stone bridge, and 3 also shows unique, beautiful buildings, though the angles are strange to me. 4 is a pleasant canal scene. The building in 1 seems least unique and the photo is also partly blown. Ikan Kekek (talk) 21:08, 30 July 2020 (UTC)
- 4, 2, 3, 1. All are good. —Granger (talk · contribs) 21:23, 30 July 2020 (UTC)
- 2, 3, 4, 1. #1 would likely be higher in the ranking were it not so overexposed; I took a stab at correcting that with my editing software, but it was too far gone. Ikan's point about the angles in #3 is well taken and to a lesser degree also applies to #s 2 and 4; when I get the chance, I will upload recropped versions of those banners with corrected perspective. -- AndreCarrotflower (talk) 21:33, 30 July 2020 (UTC)