Wikivoyage:Destination of the month candidates

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Here we determine which articles are featured on the Main Page as Destination of the month (DotM), Off the Beaten Path (OtBP) and Featured travel topics (FTT).


You can nominate any article you would like to see featured. Any destination, region, itinerary or event that passes the "What is an article?" test is eligible for nomination.

However, before nominating, please check that the article follows these basic guidelines:

Well-known and/or popular destinations should be nominated as Destination of the Month, while more obscure destinations should be nominated for Off the Beaten Path. Travel topics, phrasebooks, itineraries and other articles should be nominated for Featured Travel Topic. Where applicable, you should propose a good time to visit the destination as a month to be featured.

The basic format of a nomination is as follows:

| place=Destination
| blurb='''[[Destination]]''' is a place of contrasts, and as such it...
| status=Guide
| time=March-June
| nominatedBy=~~~~
| comment=Great article and it's just luvvly-jubbly in the springtime.
| DotMImage=[[File:Destinationimage.jpg|thumb|300px]]

Add a nomination to the end of the appropriate section.


You can comment on any nomination based on timeliness and adherence to the criteria above, just add a bullet point (*) and your signed opinion.

Great article and it's just luvvly-jubbly in the springtime. TravelNut 25:25, 31 Feb 2525 (EDT)
* Looks nice, but shouldn't the Do section contain more than just quilting contests? ~~~~

Please note that the following are not considered valid reasons to oppose a nomination:

  • "I don't like it." All objections have to be based on the guidelines above: poor formatting, missing information, etc. Personal opinions, dislikes, etc. do not count.
  • "Wrong time of year." Articles are supported or opposed based on their content. Timing can be worked out later.
  • "Wrong type of place." Articles are supported or opposed based on their content. Whether it's DotM or OtBP can be worked out later.


If an article gets several comments in favor and none against for a week or so, it's eligible to be placed in an appropriate time-slot in the Upcoming queue. If the objections are relatively minor and are being worked on, add them to the Upcoming queue tentatively (add a question mark "?" after the article). Feel free to move the queue around or swap articles if it makes sense. If a nomination clearly does not make the grade and if the objections are not easily fixable, they go into the Slush pile

Once a nomination has been scheduled, an appropriate banner image and text blurb must be selected. Go to Wikivoyage:Destination of the month candidates/Banners to start that discussion.


Discussions for previously selected destinations are kept in the Archive.



The following queue should contain about six months' worth of upcoming destinations. Note that new DotMs are rotated in on the 1st of each month, OtBPs on the 11th and travel topics on the 21st.

Month DotM OtBP FTT
November 2017 Jakarta Sde Boker American football - pending fixes and stronger consensus to support
December 2017 Iguaçu Falls - pending fixes and stronger consensus to support Bozeman - pending stronger consensus to support European Union - pending fixes and stronger consensus to support
January 2018 Christchurch - pending fixes and stronger consensus to support Ukulhas - pending fixes Metric and Imperial equivalents
February 2018 Bangkok/Pratunam Kakamega Rainforest - pending fixes and stronger consensus to support Italian phrasebook - pending fixes (?) and stronger consensus to support
March 2018 Valencia Brownsville (Texas) Judaism - pending fixes and stronger consensus to support
April 2018 Uppsala - pending fixes and stronger consensus to support Poros - pending fixes and stronger consensus to support Military museums and sites in Australia

These are not cast in stone, and the order can be changed if, for example, an excellent guide for a timely event is found. Whenever a guide becomes a current feature, it should be removed from the list, the discussion archived, and (when changing out Featured Travel Topics) a new month added to the end of the queue. Alternatives are OK; the whole point is to enable some discussion as needed.

Next change[edit]

Decisions regarding which images to use as the banners are made here.

The section below provides an opportunity to see what the upcoming featured articles will look like on the Main Page using the banners that are currently most popular on the above page.

Destination of the Month[edit]


Indonesia's massive, chaotic capital pulses with life amidst the gridlock and cacophony: delicious food, endless shopping, and worthwhile cultural attractions await in the "Big Durian".

Off the Beaten Path[edit]

Sde Boker

The little kibbutz in the Negev where Israel's first prime minister retired boasts great desert hiking, a winery with an experimental history, and a fascinating complex of 2,000-year-old Nabataean ruins.

Featured travel topic[edit]

American football

A nearly inescapable autumn phenomenon Stateside, but largely unknown in the rest of the world: if you're keen on planning a trip around the U.S.'s most popular sport, here's the lowdown!


On the date of the scheduled change, the DotM, OtBP, or FTT should be changed as close to midnight UTC as possible. When the featured page is changed, please follow the following procedures to do so and archive content to the appropriate pages. At each stage, please double-check that you are correctly moving content.

  1. Update the featured articles on the main page by replacing the current 'banner' template section with those of the appropriate banner for the new DotM/OtBP/FTT found in the Next change section above.
  2. Update the Photo credits page with the banner's original image, title and attribution.
  3. Add the former featured article to the appropriate archive page: Previous Destinations of the month, Previously Off the beaten path, or Previous Featured travel topics.
  4. Remove Template:Featurenomination from newly featured article.
  5. For the former featured article, add the appropriate parameter to the pagebanner template (directly after the image filename) to label the page as having been featured previously.
    • For former DotMs, add: dotm=yes
    • For former OtBPs, add: otbp=yes
    • For former FTTs, add: ftt=yes
  6. Archive the newly featured article's nomination. Simply cut-and-paste the nomination section of the newly featured article from this page to Wikivoyage:Destination of the Month candidates/Archive.
  7. Update the Next change section above by adding the banner from the discussion page. View the table in the Schedule section above to determine what next month's change will be, then update the image and blurb in the "Next change" section with that found in the upcoming featured article's nomination.
  8. Archive the newly featured article's banner by cutting-and-pasting all banner suggestions and the associated discussion into Wikivoyage:Destination of the month candidates/Banners/Archive.

Nominations for Destination of the Month[edit]


Place: Boston
Blurb: John Winthrop's "shining city on a hill" is one of the oldest and most historic in the U.S., jam-packed with sites from Colonial and Revolutionary days. But it's also a vibrant 21st-century metropolis, with a culture more in tune with modern-day college-town progressivism than the Puritan stodginess of years past. (should not exceed ~145 characters)
Article status: Guide (must be guide or above).
Time to feature: Apr-Oct
Nominated by: AndreCarrotflower (talk) 22:06, 2 March 2017 (UTC)
Comment: By now, ButteBag is probably sick of hearing me congratulate him about the fine work he's done on the Boston district articles, so I hope he'll indulge me one last time as I repeat that his work is rapidly elevating Boston to the same elite tier as Chicago, Washington, D.C., and San Francisco when it comes to superlative Wikivoyage coverage. There was recently a discussion regarding featuring Boston/Jamaica Plain-Mission Hill as DotM or OtBP wherein I suggested we "hold out and feature Boston itself rather than one of its districts", and now that all the district articles have attained at least Usable status, I've decided to go ahead and put this nomination up for consideration. I'm pretty sure ButteBag's response is going to be that he's not satisfied with the state of some of the district articles - I think I heard him mention that before - but given the fact that they all continue to develop at an admirable pace, and Boston won't be featured on the Main Page until next year at the earliest anyway, that leaves ample time for him to get them up to snuff.

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  • Support as nominator. -- AndreCarrotflower (talk) 22:06, 2 March 2017 (UTC)
  • Support I am also very handsome and intelligent. (And trying to keep this updated going forward, thanks AndreCarrotflower!) --ButteBag (talk) 22:14, 2 March 2017 (UTC)
  • Conditional support User:ButteBag has really done superb work here, but as he (assuming he, please correct if wrong) has pointed out, there are some things that could still be improved. In the main article this mostly seems to be the history and the public transit sections, which do contain some old content as per (though history does not become outdated all that fast). All in all, I think we'll have a fine article by the time this goes live some time from now Hobbitschuster (talk) 23:48, 2 March 2017 (UTC)
  • Support without even skipping through the article tonight. I have confidence in ButteBag. Ikan Kekek (talk) 05:20, 3 May 2017 (UTC)
  • Support since the article itself looks ready on quick perusal & there will be time for district improvements.
I wonder, though, if the nomination should be broadened to Greater Boston since that would include Cambridge (Massachusetts) which for me is the main place to go in the area, mostly for the MIT bookstore & the pubs. Or perhaps Cambridge might be another nomination? Pashley (talk) 16:44, 9 July 2017 (UTC)


Place: Jakarta
Blurb: Indonesia's massive, chaotic capital pulses with life amidst the gridlock and cacophony: delicious food, endless shopping, and worthwhile cultural attractions await in the "Big Durian". (should not exceed ~145 characters)
Article status: Guide (must be guide or above).
Time to feature: Apr-Nov to avoid rainy season
Nominated by: AndreCarrotflower (talk) 23:36, 8 May 2017 (UTC)
Comment: We need a DotM for November 2017, and here's the perfect candidate - given Wikivoyage's exemplary coverage of Southeast Asia, I'm actually astonished this article hasn't yet been featured!


  • Support as nominator. Wonderful article; can't think of anything more it needs before featuring. For the record, a much less well-developed version of the article was slushed in 2008, but none of the criticisms leveled at that time have anything to do with the article in its current state. -- AndreCarrotflower (talk) 23:36, 8 May 2017 (UTC)
  • Comment: It certainly is detailed - good point. I'll be more comfortable when a bit of copy editing is done, though, and the article and probably the Jakarta district articles will have to be watched to prevent the introduction of more text in low-quality English. This is an ongoing issue in articles about Indonesia. I did a bit of copy editing, but I'm really not up to doing a big job tonight. Ikan Kekek (talk) 23:56, 8 May 2017 (UTC)
  • Support – looks like a good, detailed article, and I've done a pretty thorough copyedit. —Granger (talk · contribs) 02:03, 21 June 2017 (UTC)
  • Support. The article looks good, and all of the districts seem to be at least usable. If the needed copyedits have been done, then I guess there are no more issues with the article. ϒpsilon (talk) 19:33, 10 September 2017 (UTC)
  • Support Ground Zero (talk) 16:30, 11 September 2017 (UTC)


Place: Wales
Blurb: Wales is a country rich in history and natural beauty (blurb needs work) (should not exceed ~145 characters)
Article status: Guide (must be guide or above).
Time to feature: May-Sep
Nominated by: Traveler100 (talk) 21:34, 25 May 2017 (UTC)
Comment: Time to feature a country.

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  • Not yet. Everything up through "Talk" is great, but after that point - especially in "See" and "Do" - things get too list-y for a country article. The bullet points in "See", "Eat", "Drink", and (especially) "Do" should be converted to prose, with listings migrated to articles further down the breadcrumb hierarchy where necessary. The blurbs in "Go next" also could stand to be expanded. -- AndreCarrotflower (talk) 14:28, 27 May 2017 (UTC)
  • Should the events list stay as bullet points? Any suggestions on how to structure this and the Eat section? --Traveler100 (talk) 07:12, 31 May 2017 (UTC)

Iguaçu Falls[edit]

Place: Iguaçu Falls
Blurb: A thundering, awe-inspiring chain of nearly 300 cataracts splayed along the border between Brazil and Argentina, this is the Holy Grail for waterfall aficionados. (should not exceed ~145 characters)
Article status: Guide (must be guide or above).
Time to feature: Anytime; temperatures and precipitation are essentially the same year-round
Nominated by: AndreCarrotflower (talk) 01:27, 7 June 2017 (UTC)
Comment: A good choice for the December 2017 DotM slot, with some recent contributions including updated price information.


  • Close. The greatest need is for "See" to be listingified, with geo coordinates for all POIs. It would also be good if we could expand the "Brazilian side" subsection of "See". As well, "Eat" and "Sleep" might be expanded with a brief overview of information about options in nearby towns for those who don't want to eat/sleep in the park itself; "Get around" could use some padding as well, and "Go next" should be converted to one-line listings with internal links. -- AndreCarrotflower (talk) 01:27, 7 June 2017 (UTC)
  • Needs some work. In addition to what Andre just said, Understand definitely needs expansion. --ϒpsilon (talk) 17:34, 9 June 2017 (UTC)
Support; the issues are resolved now. ϒpsilon (talk) 19:31, 21 October 2017 (UTC)
  • Needs work. I agree with what's been said already, especially about the "Brazilian side" subsection of "See". Eat and Sleep need coordinates too. And more importantly, I'm somewhat confused about the relationship between this article and Iguazú National Park and Iguaçu National Park (both outlines). Currently there is considerable duplication between this article and the other two—is that what we want? Or should this article provide a general overview while details and listings stay in the two national park articles? Or should those two articles be merged into this one? I've been considering a trip to Iguazú Falls recently, and when looking into it I found myself uncertain about which of these articles to look at for what kind of information, so I'd like to clarify the situation somehow before featuring this on the main page. —Granger (talk · contribs) 18:09, 9 June 2017 (UTC)
Granger - According to the information in the above article, it seems that while border formalities exist, they are pretty relaxed, and the two parks seem to function rather more as one single cross-border entity. Given that, I think it would be fine to merge and redirect both Iguazú National Park and Iguaçu National Park into Iguaçu Falls. As for which spelling to use, perhaps the Google test is best? -- AndreCarrotflower (talk) 04:30, 11 June 2017 (UTC)
That sounds fine to me. I just think the situation needs to be resolved one way or the other. —Granger (talk · contribs) 01:54, 21 June 2017 (UTC)
Time to get started with this one. Given that there has been no opposition I'm going to merge the content from the two national park articles into the nominated article and redirect them there. Wikipedia uses the Spanish name for the falls, should we do the same? ϒpsilon (talk) 16:42, 11 October 2017 (UTC)
Ypsilon, I'm sorry I haven't yet gotten started on this article as I promised to do. I've been trying to be sensitive to the fact that one of the frustrations that led to your hiatus earlier this year was being left to do most of the heavy lifting here at dotm, but this one slipped by me and I kind of lost track of the time. If you would like me to, I'll get started on the merge myself. (If not, I was planning on using the Google test to decide between the Spanish and Portuguese spellings.) -- AndreCarrotflower (talk) 17:46, 11 October 2017 (UTC)
The merge took just 20 minutes to perform, surprisingly most of the content of those other articles was already here. Now the article needs a little cleanup including listingfying, Understand should be expanded and there might be some prices, links and such that need to be updated. No big deal, and I guess we can have that done by the end of this week. And I've said it before, and I say it again, articles should be updated weeks rather than months before they are featured so that there's (almost) no time for things to get outdated. Speaking of that, I think Sde Boker could use a new checkthrough.
I've never had a problem with the workload but when it looked like everyone else was on strike when it came to improving featured articles, I saw no point in doing it myself either – I mean, this is a wiki and not my personal blog. As of now we fortunately have several contributors on board helping out with this part of Wikivoyage. ϒpsilon (talk) 18:20, 11 October 2017 (UTC)


Place: Bangkok/Pratunam
Blurb: The markets and malls of Pratunam are a magnet for shoppers, and towering above them is Bangkok's highest building with breathtaking views from its roof deck. (should not exceed ~145 characters)
Article status: Star (must be guide or above).
Time to feature: According to Bangkok#Climate Nov-Apr. (Khao San Road was featured in March 2015)
Nominated by: ϒpsilon (talk) 18:35, 9 June 2017 (UTC)
Comment: We've featured all Bangkok's Star articles except for this one. Pratunam seems to be quite centrally located so I guess it is a DotM — though if someone who knows Bangkok and disagrees, feel free to move the nomination to OtBP. There have been some recent updates to the article, though we should of course still check if everything is still in business before the article goes on the Main Page.

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  • Support, but... The article has Star status, but let's remember to update it before it goes live... ϒpsilon (talk) 18:35, 9 June 2017 (UTC)
  • Support - Featuring a Star article is a no-brainer, with the caveats that you give. It looks like the last time a Bangkok guide was featured was Khao San Road in March, 2015, as you mention above, so presuming this article wouldn't be featured until at least 2018, that seems long enough in between features. Ikan Kekek (talk) 10:00, 10 June 2017 (UTC)
  • Support. I agree with Ypsi that we should check to make sure all information is up to date, and given that this article has a static map, it would be nice if someone could update that, too, if necessary. -- AndreCarrotflower (talk) 04:34, 11 June 2017 (UTC)
  • Support. - I agree that checking for up-to-date information should be done before it goes live, but beyond this I have no qualms about featuring the article. —The preceding comment was added by DethDestroyerOfWords (talkcontribs)


Place: Valencia
Blurb: The home town of paella features attractions from many epochs and lights up every spring during the falles festival. (should not exceed ~145 characters)
Article status: Guide (must be guide or above).
Time to feature: Feb or Mar 2018 for the Falles festival. Otherwise, maybe spring or fall?
Nominated by: ϒpsilon (talk) 18:35, 9 June 2017 (UTC)
Comment: Yet another informative, extensive, colorful and I think rather up to date article largely written by User:StellarD. I can't really find anything to complain about here.

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  • Support as nominator. ϒpsilon (talk) 18:35, 9 June 2017 (UTC)
  • Support. Stellar guide. Great pictures, solid descriptions, map with all the listings marked, fun to read... don't see any immediate problems with this one. PerryPlanet (talk) 20:14, 9 June 2017 (UTC)
  • Support, with a couple comments. I'd planned on nominating this myself eventually, after completing the following tasks: (1) replacing the banner (it's rather dull); (2) rewriting and updating the lede and understand section for SEO purposes; and (3) adding several more entries to the Neighbourhoods section. – StellarD (talk) 08:48, 10 June 2017 (UTC)
  • Support - In skipping through it, it looks great, as was mentioned above, and with you all supporting and StellarD planning to make further edits, I don't feel like I need to read every line in order to support. I actually find the banner somewhat interesting and certainly unusual; however, I'll look with interest in what you come up with as a replacement. Ikan Kekek (talk) 10:05, 10 June 2017 (UTC)
  • Support - On quick inspection the article itself looks fine.
I notice, though, that both Valencia (region) and Valencia (province) have many empty sections. It would be good to fix that before featuring this article. I do not know the area so cannot tell if that means just deleting the headings or adding content. Pashley (talk) 12:46, 10 June 2017 (UTC)
  • Adding my perhaps redundant voice to the chorus of Support votes. -- AndreCarrotflower (talk) 04:32, 11 June 2017 (UTC)


Place: Christchurch
Blurb: The largest city in New Zealand's South Island and gateway to the rugged Southern Alps, whose phoenixlike rebirth after the devastating 2011 Canterbury earthquakes has become an attraction in itself. (should not exceed ~145 characters)
Article status: Guide (must be guide or above).
Time to feature: Oct-Mar
Nominated by: AndreCarrotflower (talk) 19:17, 12 June 2017 (UTC)
Comment: The flood of new nominees continues. It strikes me that we haven't had an Antipodean feature in a while, and January 2018 seems an ideal time to put New Zealand in the limelight.

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  • Very close. Some listings need geo coordinates; "Eat" needs a price range template and to be alphabetized, "Drink" listings need to be alphabetized and in some cases listingified. Easy fixes all. -- AndreCarrotflower (talk) 19:17, 12 June 2017 (UTC)
  • Wait until late 2018. Following the Kaikoura earthquake of 14 November 2016 ,the main road from the north (SH1) is currently subject to a length diversion for the rest of 2017 or longer, and trains are not expected to run from Picton before mid-2018. I will look more closely at the article in a few days, but I don't think that there are major problems with it. AlasdairW (talk) 21:31, 12 June 2017 (UTC)
I fail to understand why this is a problem. The affected stretch of SH1 is some 200 km northeast of Christchurch center, and as the DotM blurb and article both make clear, Christchurch is the principal point of entry for the entire South Island. Therefore, for the vast majority of Wikivoyage's reading audience, the most logical way to arrive in Christchurch would be by air directly into the city, and in fact the only people who would be impeded from getting in to Christchurch would be folks living in certain areas in the far north of the South Island. Certainly the closure of SH1 might possibly affect visitors who'd like to use Christchurch as a base to explore the rest of the island (though that too is mostly avoidable given a properly planned itinerary), but by the same token, the rest of the island isn't up for DotM. -- AndreCarrotflower (talk) 21:53, 12 June 2017 (UTC)
It is not a show stopper, but I think it would be preferable not to feature Christchurch at a time when Get In needs regular updates. I expect that most readers would visit Christchurch as part of a 2-4 week tour of New Zealand (with the exception of readers who live in New Zealand). The average length of stay of international visitors in NZ is 19 days. AlasdairW (talk) 22:38, 12 June 2017 (UTC)
  • Support. Aside of a couple of photos in the latter half of the article and a handful of missing coordinates, this looks like a solid article. As nearly always, we need to check if everything is still in business a month before the article goes on the Main Page. Concerning the destroyed highway, there seems to be a detour in place and it wouldn't be the first time we'd feature a place where the situation can change. Andre probably remembers Mount Rinjani which erupted when the article was on the nominations page and the mountain was closed for a few months, but had just reopened to visitors when we featured it. ϒpsilon (talk) 16:05, 20 June 2017 (UTC)
  • Support. I briefly visited Christchurch last year, so I am fairly happy that most of the article is up-to-date, and I have checked most of the listings online - but something may have slipped through. I have added a few images (maybe too many?), using a few of my own photos to be sure that they are recent post-quake views. AlasdairW (talk) 23:03, 9 September 2017 (UTC)

North Vancouver[edit]

Place: North Vancouver
Blurb: This is two cities north of downtown Vancouver. With nice beaches like Panorama Park or Cates Park. Great hiking in the North shore mountains. Or you could just relax and enjoy the view or the skiing. (should not exceed ~145 characters)
Article status: Guide (must be guide or above).
Time to feature: Dec-Sept
Nominated by: Dowling002 (talk) 07:16, 18 June 2017 (UTC)
Comment: It has been almost a year since a Canadian city has been nominated and ten years since a city in BC has been nominated. So why not one of the beautiful cities in Canada.

  • There was discussion about this guide for DotM at Wikivoyage talk:Destination of the month candidates#Vancouver district articles for Dotm? I'd be happy to support, as the article looks good and I understand from the linked discussion that Shaundd will continue to edit and update the article before it's featured (probably in 2019). Ikan Kekek (talk) 07:34, 18 June 2017 (UTC)
  • Support, but is this truly a DotM or would it perhaps work better as an OtBP? -- AndreCarrotflower (talk) 17:29, 18 June 2017 (UTC)
  • Very close — A couple of listings lack coordinates and there are some things in Do that should be expended a bit (Festivals etc.), also it would be nice with a few photos in the latter half of the article but this can be fixed fairly quickly, I think. ϒpsilon (talk) 18:45, 18 June 2017 (UTC)
  • Support -- I still need to refresh/expand a number of sections, and some things will need to be rewritten before featuring as Seabus service is expected to improve and a couple of attractions are moving and being expanded within the next 2-3 years, but I'll make sure that's done as it happens. With respect to DotM/OtBP, I'd say DotM is a better fit because people visit it as part of a trip to a DotM destination (Vancouver), but I'm not fussed either way. Note - I changed the featuring time to Dec-Sept. The fall, particularly Nov, isn't a great time to visit. It's between summer and snow season and the weather is usually awful (rain and more rain). I was also thinking a catchier blurb could be, Take in the views, or hit the trails, slopes or water, in Vancouver's mountain playground. Feel free to ignore/edit as fit. -Shaundd (talk) 01:32, 19 June 2017 (UTC)
Shaundd - There's no doubt that Vancouver itself is DotM rather than OtBP (in fact, it was DotM in June 2005, before we started running OtBPs, but if we were to rerun it today it would clearly be the former and not the latter). However, when talking about how to categorize a Huge City district article, the comparison to make is with other districts of the same city. Take Toronto for instance: Canada's own Great White Way, Yonge-Dundas, would clearly be DotM, while the spread-out and suburblike Etobicoke would be OtBP. I have no familiarity with Vancouver, but you obviously do. So, imagine you're a first-time visitor with a workable but limited amount of time to spend there, and think about which districts you'd spend the most time in, and you'll be a long way toward an answer. -- AndreCarrotflower (talk) 20:41, 19 June 2017 (UTC)
Ah OK, thanks for clarifying. On that basis, I'd still lean towards DotM, although it depends on how far you take "limited amount of time". If you only have one day in Vancouver, you're probably not going to spend it in North Vancouver (most people would probably cover two or three of the City Center, West End/Stanley Park, Granville Island and Gastown). After that though, it's fair game for day two or three, I'd say. Two attractions often appear on top XX list of things to see in Vancouver (Grouse Mountain and the Capilano Suspension Bridge) and the Grouse Grind is considered one of the busiest hikes in Metro Vancouver (and it gets tourist traffic too). It's also really easy to get to from the city center -- you just hop on the Seabus and take a 12 minute ferry ride (which plenty of tourists do) -- and the City of North Van is adding a number of attractions that are within a 5 min walk from the Seabus station. I'm not fussed either way, but I'd say many travellers who spend at least three days in Vancouver probably spend some time in North Vancouver. And for what page view stats are worth, North Vancouver is (on a monthly average) second in page views to the City Center. -Shaundd (talk) 02:23, 20 June 2017 (UTC)
Definitely a gray area, but based on what you said, I would also lean toward DotM. -- AndreCarrotflower (talk) 03:43, 20 June 2017 (UTC)


Place: Berlin
Blurb: Germany's capital was at the heart of the Cold War and still bears the scars of wars and partition, but it is quickly reclaiming its place as one of Europe's - if not the world's - top cities. A vibrant cultural scene and surprisingly affordable prices make this "poor but sexy" city a draw for visitors and residents from all over the globe (again, I am not too happy with my blurbing skills) (should not exceed ~145 characters)
Article status: Usable, but imho only because nobody has promoted it to Guide yet; all districts are usable or guide, so that's not what's keeping it Guide (must be guide or above).
Time to feature: any - Berlin weather is terrible year round (though Spaniards falling in love with Berlin summer on holiday only to be miserable during their winter-Erasmus are surprisingly common) and there is really something to do all year (which might explain why Hertha BSC has trouble attracting fans)
Nominated by: Hobbitschuster (talk) 17:45, 26 July 2017 (UTC)
Comment: I know we have more than enough German language places "in the pipeline", but I just wanted to get this nominated there's no rush to get this actually featured; it can well languish here if some considerations make this necessary, but in case we have to slush something on short notice, I want this to be ready

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  • Comment - this is currently rated at usable, simply because I did not unilaterally want to promote it to guide. I think it is quite ready, but a bit of copy-editing might still be necessary. At any rate, we can safely hold this one in reserve (we have a lot of Central European places and topics as is imho) until we need an emergency replacement Hobbitschuster (talk) 17:47, 26 July 2017 (UTC)
  • Almost some sections are listy, and then there are listings in See and Do that should be moved to the district articles. As such, I'd say there is enough information in the article so that the average visitor wouldn't have to consult another travel guide. Therefore, it can probably be upgraded to guide status. --ϒpsilon (talk) 19:03, 26 July 2017 (UTC)
  • Close, the main problem being the issue Ypsi brought up about "See" and "Do" listings that need to be devolved to district articles (there also seem to be some "Do" listings that violate our tour policy and should thus be deleted outright). Also, though it's not usual practice to do so, I wonder if there's anything that can be done about the exhaustive list of embassies and consulates in "Cope". If not, no big deal - Berlin is a national capital, after all - but it seems pretty Yellow Page-y. -- AndreCarrotflower (talk) 22:51, 30 July 2017 (UTC)
  • Another thing: The article currently has no routebox whatsoever. How important should the existence and completeness of a routebox be for featuring? Hobbitschuster (talk) 15:34, 2 August 2017 (UTC)


Place: Uppsala
Blurb: Once a Viking Age shrine, Sweden's fourth-largest city is the seat of the Church of Sweden and the country's oldest university, where innovations such as taxonomic biology and the Celsius temperature scale were achieved. (should not exceed ~145 characters)
Article status: Guide (must be guide or above).
Time to feature: April (see below); weather is great at summer, but being a campus city, it is deserted
Nominated by: /Yvwv (talk) 21:14, 13 August 2017 (UTC)
Comment: Usually in the shade of Stockholm, though an older city, more walkable, and closer to Stockholm-Arlanda Airport than Stockholm itself. The article has improved a lot this year. A good timing would be April 2018, with university application deadline on April 15, and the Walpurgis celebration on April 30. Other Nordic destinations have their high season during winter or summer.

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  • Good timing for this nominee, as it's time (already!) to start thinking about DotMs and OtBPs for next spring. It's very close to being ready - about a quarter to a third of the listings lack geo coordinates, and that's the only deficiency I could spot. -- AndreCarrotflower (talk) 23:08, 13 August 2017 (UTC)
  • Support, some coordinates are missing but that's really about it. I can add them at some point before the article is featured (thereby google maps also lets me know if some places have closed), if nobody else has done it by then. ϒpsilon (talk) 14:22, 15 August 2017 (UTC)
  • Upgrading my vote to support; looks like the issues I cited above have been attended to. -- AndreCarrotflower (talk) 03:13, 25 September 2017 (UTC)


Place: Colonia
Blurb: On the shore just opposite Buenos Aires is a picturesque historic town, full of cobblestone streets lined with colonial architecture. (should not exceed ~145 characters)
Article status: Guide (must be guide or above).
Time to feature: Probably September–April
Nominated by: —Granger (talk · contribs) 23:17, 1 September 2017 (UTC)
Comment: As discussed (briefly) at Talk:Colonia. It's a much smaller destination than our typical DotM, but I think its popularity within the region and position on the "Gringo Trail" probably make it better suited for this than for OtBP. (This is my first time nominating something for the main page—I hope I'm doing it right!)

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  • Support as nominator. I've been in Colonia for several weeks now and have expanded and updated the article quite a bit. I'll still be here until mid-November if there are any concerns that require someone "on the ground" to address. —Granger (talk · contribs) 23:17, 1 September 2017 (UTC)
  • Support - Dunno if anything needs to be added, but if you stuble upon some nice shop, restaurant or bar, do let future visitors know about it. As a top destination in a country that's somewhat off the beaten path, Colonia is an article that I think can work both as DotM and OtBP. --ϒpsilon (talk) 16:03, 6 September 2017 (UTC)
  • Support. I'm leaning toward DotM rather than OtBP as the category, and toward November 2018 as the time to feature - we could run it sooner, but November is probably the hardest month of the year to schedule for, and if we have a suitable candidate now I'd just as soon save the headache. -- AndreCarrotflower (talk) 01:43, 25 September 2017 (UTC)

Downtown Shanghai[edit]

Place: Downtown Shanghai
Blurb: Otherwise known as "Puxi", the historic core of China's largest and most modern urban area has an eclectic international flavor thanks to the colonialist "concession" system of the 19th and early 20th Centuries. (blurb likely needs work) (should not exceed ~145 characters)
Article status: Guide (must be guide or above).
Time to feature: Apr-Oct; midsummer somewhat less desirable due to heat and humidity
Nominated by: AndreCarrotflower (talk) 01:47, 25 September 2017 (UTC)
Comment: While Pashley's efforts at improving this article in view of a featured article nomination are apparently still ongoing, it's already at Guide level - and on the draft schedule grid that I keep on my laptop at home, there's a nice empty slot in the DotM column in May 2018, between Uppsala and Boston. As next summer looks to be another Europe- and North America-centric one on our Main Page, it'd sure be nice to have an Asian destination in the mix as a geographical counterpoint.

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  • Provisional support. There are several areas that need attention but again, this article is a work in progress, and I trust that Pashley will have things well in hand by next May. -- AndreCarrotflower (talk) 01:47, 25 September 2017 (UTC)
  • Support, but while I may have done most of the work so far, others have contributed already & I'd encourage more to jump in. There is still a fair bit to do. Pashley (talk) 02:24, 25 September 2017 (UTC)
  • Almost per the article's talk page. --ϒpsilon (talk) 17:54, 25 September 2017 (UTC)


Place: Denver
Blurb: Don't be fooled by discounted hotel rooms and the relative lack of tourist crowds: the Mile High City in winter makes a great homebase for skiers and snowboarders hitting the slopes of the Front Range. (should not exceed ~145 characters)
Article status: Guide (must be guide or above).
Time to feature: Anytime except spring, but winter 2018-2019 would be an interesting time (and, given the looks of the upcoming year or so on the schedule, probably the earliest it could be featured)
Nominated by: AndreCarrotflower (talk) 20:40, 28 September 2017 (UTC)
Comment: In the Northern Hemisphere winter, it's always nice for a change to run an article where cold weather during the "Time to feature" is a pro rather than a con. Let's carve out a space for a destination that's neither tropical nor Antipodean!

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  • Close. Though there are numerous issues with this article, they're all pretty easy fixes: some sections need to have their listings alphabetized, "Drink" has some naked bullet-point listings that need to be filled out ("Breweries" and "Music venues" subsections) or that lack geo coordinates (both of the foregoing subsections plus "Coffee" and "Nightclubs"); live music venues belong in "Do" rather than "Drink"; the information on altitude sickness is largely redundant to what's already written in the travel topic article on the subject and can be excised; some of the tours listed in "Do" look like they might not be value-added; "Go next" needs to be redone. Still, this doesn't constitute as much work as it might look like, and we have north of a year in which to do it. -- AndreCarrotflower (talk) 20:40, 28 September 2017 (UTC)
  • Comment given that it is listed on our United States without a car guide, we might wish to expand and update those sections a bit. Hobbitschuster (talk) 20:11, 1 October 2017 (UTC)
  • Almost support No big issues with this article. Some coordinates are missing here and there and there are long stretches without any photos and like Andre I also noticed there's a section dedicated to tours, some of which may not comply with our tour guidelines. And, as always, a while before the artilce goes on the main page we need to check if everything is still in business, prices are still correct, links still work etc. ϒpsilon (talk) 18:53, 11 October 2017 (UTC)


Place: Sarajevo
Blurb: Surrounded by mountains on three sides, in this meeting point of east and west a range of sights present the city's dramatic and interesting history. (should not exceed ~145 characters)
Article status: Guide (must be guide or above).
Time to feature: May-Sep
Nominated by: ϒpsilon (talk) 17:58, 1 October 2017 (UTC)
Comment: We've never featured any article from anywhere in the Balkans, so let's amend that now! The article has been extensively edited as of lately, so we don't need to run everything through Google to check if it's up to date like we usually have to. I don't see any major problems with the article, but it does have a ton of See listings. Discussion is underway for what to do with them (see numerous threads on Talk:Sarajevo), but there is almost a year until the article will appear on the Main Page anyway, so there is plenty of time to make decisions and take action. When that is resolved, I'll upgrade my vote to full support. Good that we this time we have several people around who know the destination.

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  • Conditional support per comment. ϒpsilon (talk) 17:58, 1 October 2017 (UTC)
  • I would say districtification would probably be necessary before it gets promoted to Star, but for purposes of DotM I think the status quo works fine. There are no other problems with the article either, so I gladly vote support and send out my congratulations to User:Loaoa for his/her impressive contributions. -- AndreCarrotflower (talk) 22:41, 2 October 2017 (UTC)
  • Support. I agree that districtification isn't needed for dotm right now, though if the article gets too much longer it might be worth considering. —Granger (talk · contribs) 01:00, 12 October 2017 (UTC)

Nominations for Off the Beaten Path[edit]

Sde Boker[edit]

Place: Sde Boker
Blurb: The little kibbutz in the Negev where Israel's first prime minister retired boasts great desert hiking, a winery with an experimental history, and a fascinating complex of 2,000-year-old Nabataean ruins. (should not exceed ~145 characters)
Article status: Guide (must be guide or above).
Time to feature: November-April (as with Ein Gedi)?
Nominated by: ϒpsilon (talk) 09:58, 24 June 2016 (UTC)
Comment: This is a tidy article and looks complete for a destination with 426 inhabitants. With Hiking and backpacking in Israel in September, I think there's enough space between them to have this one on the main page e.g. in February? Ps. thank you to Tamuz (who else?) who's created the article and written most of the content.

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  • Support ϒpsilon (talk) 09:58, 24 June 2016 (UTC)
  • Support. I'm satisfied with it, too. Unless someone wants to add a "Connect" section to discuss cell phone and Wi-Fi signals, it doesn't seem really likely to me that more than little copy editing tweaks are in the article's future. I haven't been there, though. Ikan Kekek (talk) 10:19, 24 June 2016 (UTC)
  • Support. The article looks good, but five months between this one and Hiking and backpacking in Israel is too close for comfort, I think, especially given how small a country Israel is and how disproportionately often we've had it on the Main Page these past few years (Ein Gedi, Golan Trail, Mitzpe Ramon as well as the aforementioned Hiking and backpacking). In an ideal scenario we'd hold Sde Boker off until after next summer, but I'd be okay with April 2017 as a compromise. -- AndreCarrotflower (talk) 14:53, 24 June 2016 (UTC)
  • Your point on not overscheduling articles about Israel is well taken. However, I'm sure you'd agree that summer wouldn't be a good time to feature an article about a Northern Hemisphere desert community! I'd much rather hold off until November 2017 than run it in the summer. Ikan Kekek (talk) 07:33, 25 June 2016 (UTC)
Andre suggested running it in April. Is it already too hot in April in Israel? ϒpsilon (talk) 07:45, 25 June 2016 (UTC)
My point was that if we wait past April, we should wait till November. I am not expressing an opinion about whether April is too hot. Ikan Kekek (talk) 08:18, 25 June 2016 (UTC)
We should, just as it says in the "time to feature" parameter above. ϒpsilon (talk) 08:33, 25 June 2016 (UTC)
It appears that "after the summer" is what's confusing. Let me rephrase. If it were left up to me, we'd feature it in November 2017 or after, because of the overscheduling of Israeli destinations. However, if there are any objections to that, I'd consider April 2017 a workable compromise. -- AndreCarrotflower (talk) 22:50, 29 June 2016 (UTC)
  • Support - Read through it and it's a very complete little article. I don't see any copy-edits that need doing. I think just a quick check before it is featured is needed to make sure things are up-to-date would be a good idea. DethDestroyerOfWords (talk) 18:56, 9 May 2017 (UTC)

Gaspé Peninsula[edit]

Place: Gaspé Peninsula
Blurb: The far eastern tip of Quebec, where the Appalachian Mountains plunge into the ocean, is a wild and wonderful place with something for everyone: breathtaking scenery, all the seafood you can eat, and some of the best skiing in Eastern Canada. (blurb needs work) (should not exceed ~145 characters)
Article status: Outline for now, but please see comments below. (must be guide or above).
Time to feature: Jun-Sep
Nominated by: AndreCarrotflower (talk) 19:45, 14 July 2016 (UTC)
Comment: Maybe I'm jumping the gun in nominating this now, but hear me out.


  • Right now I'm in the midst of what has proven to be a very, very long and protracted update of the Buffalo district articles. I should be finished with that in a week or two, at which point I plan to start again on my long-dormant Gaspé Peninsula project. Despite what it may look like, the majority of the work has already been finished - Gaspé Peninsula itself has all the content it needs; the only thing keeping it from being bumped up to Guide status right now is the state of the articles below it in the breadcrumb hierarchy. Wikivoyage:Region guide status states that for a Region article to be evaluated at Guide level, all subregions must be at Usable status or better; in turn, for each subregion to be at Usable status, the most important of their respective "Cities" and "Other destinations" must be at Usable status or better. My course of action has been to go our readers one better and ensure that all of the bottom-level articles are at least Usable, and the most important ones are at Guide.
So, by way of a breakdown of the work that remains to be done to get this article up to Guide status, there are three main components:
  1. Writing Guide articles for the most important bottom-level destinations. Thus far I've written and/or improved Percé, Chandler, and Forillon National Park to Guide standards; each of those took about two or three weeks apiece. Looking forward, I'd like to have Bonaventure, Gaspé, Sainte-Anne-des-Monts, Gaspésie National Park, and maybe Amqui at Guide status too.
  2. Bringing all other bottom-level destinations to Usable status. Given that Usable articles only require a "Get in" section plus one listing each in "See", "Eat", and "Sleep", a clip of two or three of these per day is not an unreasonable expectation.
  3. Bringing subregion articles The Coast, Upper Gaspé, Land's End, Chaleur Bay, and Matapédia Valley up to Usable status. Aside from the status of the bottom-level destinations, the only thing a Region article requires to be Usable is a "Get in" section and a "See" section where the most prominent attractions are listed. Again, a clip of two or three of these per day is not an unreasonable expectation, though I'll likely end up including a bit more content than that.
Again, maybe it would be better to have delayed this nomination until I was further along in the process, but I wanted to make sure this article got up on the page before all the summer 2017 OtBP slots were gone - Nauru and Groningen have already taken two of them. (For those who think it's audacious to have jumped the gun like this, it might be germane to note that Buffalo was technically at Outline status for most of the time it was on this page; it still had two redlinked district articles when it was nominated, the last of which didn't "go blue" until three days before it went on the Main Page.) If by some slim chance Gaspé Peninsula isn't ready for the Main Page by then, we can easily put it off till 2018. But I highly doubt that will happen.
-- AndreCarrotflower (talk) 19:45, 14 July 2016 (UTC)
  • Comment I haven't looked at the articles that carefully (some like Percé are in great shape, on the other hand there are others like Matapédia Valley which obviously need more content) but I trust you'll get all of them to usable or better until next summer. Concerning Nauru, I imagined that one was scheduled for March. ϒpsilon (talk) 10:52, 15 July 2016 (UTC)
While we could probably get away with featuring Nauru in March, it's less than ideal - per w:Nauru#Climate it's still a fairly rainy time of year there. Climatically speaking, the best time to run Nauru would be either between mid-spring and early summer or in the early autumn (Northern Hemisphere in both cases), but I'd caution against slotting it in May or June because it would likely be competing with nominees from temperate latitudes that can't really be featured any other time of year. I had imagined April 2017 to be a fair compromise, but there's certainly some wiggle room there if necessary (especially if the deficiencies ChubbyWimbus mentioned aren't fixed in time). -- AndreCarrotflower (talk) 16:26, 15 July 2016 (UTC)
Yeah, in the summer there's a ton of brilliant articles but only so many months, in the winter it's exactly other way around :( .
As the one who translated/googled up much of the content currently in the Nauru article, I will probably help out with Nauru at some point. ϒpsilon (talk) 17:51, 15 July 2016 (UTC)
Andre, a little friendly reminder in the case you've forgotten about this nomination... ϒpsilon (talk) 21:16, 21 October 2017 (UTC)
  • Conditional support. I trust your judgment in assuring everyone of what you will do, and therefore give a supporting vote based on your superb track record of producing articles of exceptional quality. That said, please inform us of when you think the articles in question are ready, so that we can judge for ourselves at that time. Ikan Kekek (talk) 00:14, 17 July 2016 (UTC)
I of course fully understand the conditional nature of your support, Ikan. But, to be clear, I see the Gaspé Peninsula article itself as essentially complete, and don't foresee any particular changes to it between now and when it goes on the Main Page, other than the redlinks in the "Regions" section being upgraded to live articles. So you can feel free to base your judgment on the content of the article rather than just my track record. -- AndreCarrotflower (talk) 06:12, 17 July 2016 (UTC)
I haven't reread anything close to the entire article yet, but of course it looks great. I think "Get in/By car" may require an update, though: Did the extension of A-20 as far as Trois-Pistoles that was supposed to open by 2015 open yet? Ikan Kekek (talk) 07:16, 17 July 2016 (UTC)
Ikan - Latest reports are that they've extended A-20 about 14 kilometers eastward to the outskirts of Trois-Pistoles, but according to Wikipedia the interchange serving Trois-Pistoles itself isn't expected to be in service until later this year. I've updated the article to reflect that. -- AndreCarrotflower (talk) 17:45, 17 July 2016 (UTC)
Is Gaspe actually off the beaten path, or should it be DotM? I'd say the latter because the one time I visited, mid-summer in the 1970s, it was absolutely flooded with tourists. Pashley (talk) 08:36, 7 April 2017 (UTC)
When I was there in 2012, it was indeed crowded with tourists, but they were mostly other Québécois. Gaspé seems relatively less well-known among English-Canadians and almost completely unknown among non-Canadians. -- AndreCarrotflower (talk) 10:41, 7 April 2017 (UTC)

Brownsville (Texas)[edit]

Place: Brownsville (Texas)
Blurb: Adjoined by Mexico and the Gulf of Mexico, Brownsville is the gateway into Latin America. (should not exceed ~145 characters)
Article status: Guide (must be guide or above).
Time to feature: Mar-Sep
Nominated by: De88 (talk) 06:14, 16 November 2016 (UTC)
Comment: Thorough article detailing a unique city in the United States. Not many can have the perks of bordering Mexico, the Gulf of Mexico and a popular resort town all within minute distances from one another. For this reason, I believe Brownsville is the prime destination for an Off the Beaten Path nomination, as it features characteristics not found elsewhere. I will say that the article's detail on restaurants, background information, tourist attractions, geo-tagging and more persuaded me to nominate it, along with an admin who suggested the same.

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  • Support as nominator. De88 (talk) 19:30, 18 November 2016 (UTC)
  • Very close — The article is informative and there are no stylistic issues. I assume it's up to date too, given De88's work on the article as of lately. There are just two small things that would be nice to have. Firstly the Connect section is empty. If Brownsville has some Internet cafees or Wi-Fi hotspots, they can be listed here, and if there are some problems travelers should know of when it comes to Internet and telephony (e.g. cell phones switching to the Mexican network during a call), this is the place to mention them. Secondly, the latter third of the article could use a couple of photos. ϒpsilon (talk) 09:07, 16 November 2016 (UTC)
  • Support. I've been following the progress of this article. I don't think De88 is totally done editing it (correct?), and I'm sure the article will be in even better shape whenever it's actually featured. Ikan Kekek (talk) 07:42, 18 November 2016 (UTC)
My support is in abeyance until the galleries are deleted, as per my remarks at User talk:De88. Ikan Kekek (talk) 09:42, 21 November 2016 (UTC)
Deleted the photo gallery. Still would like to post the pictures just individually. De88 (talk) 20:36, 22 November 2016 (UTC)
By all means, post photos individually, space allowing, but it might be best to keep some space between them, so as not to overwhelm the reader. Ikan Kekek (talk) 02:20, 23 November 2016 (UTC)
De88, you still have 3 photos of international bridges next to each other and 2 photos of shopping areas next to each other. That's not in keeping with Wikivoyage style. You might want to look at WV:Image policy#Image alignment. Ikan Kekek (talk) 02:24, 23 November 2016 (UTC)
My bad. I completely forgot about those pictures. Will delete them. Thanks for letting me know. De88 (talk) 02:53, 23 November 2016 (UTC)
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  • Close. Some notes:
  • The gallery-style horizontal rows of images are against policy (see Wikivoyage:Image policy#Montages and galleries) and have to go, especially the one at the end of the "See" section, which overhangs the text margin on my display (see image at right).
  • Some of the listing sections, especially #Museums and the "Eat", "Drink", and "Sleep" subsections, are a bit on the long side and should be further subdivided.
  • "Buy" seems noticeably incomplete, especially compared to the other sections.
-- AndreCarrotflower (talk) 05:13, 21 November 2016 (UTC)
First suggestion already executed. Second suggestion: By subdivided, do you mean adding more tabs on to what is already in place or compress the sections? Third suggestion: I do not know what else to write about there. Downtown, Pablo Kisel/Morrison and Boca Chica are three large places spanning a wide range of hot spots in the city. I tried picking a big area to avoid over-doing the section. De88 (talk) 20:37, 22 November 2016 (UTC)
The image galleries were by far the largest of those three concerns, so much so that I can probably upgrade my vote to full support.
As for the other two issues: there are a lot of museums that you've listed and they all seem valuable for the traveller, but we don't like to have lists on this site that number more than ~9 items. So what you should think about then is, what different kinds of museums are represented on the list? Historical museums? Science museums? And so forth. Then split the listings up into subcategories. For "Eat", "Drink" and "Sleep", I'd first split them up geographically (you mentioned that Downtown, Pablo Kisel/Morrison and Boca Chica are three lively areas; those three plus an "Elsewhere" category might be a good idea) and then break down each of those categories into Budget, Mid-range and Splurge. As for "Buy", are there any individual stores in Brownsville that travellers might be interested in? If so, you might want to give them their own listings.
Again, though, the major problem - the photos - has already been solved, so everything else I mentioned above you can consider opportunities to further spit-shine what is IMO already a worthy feature article.
-- AndreCarrotflower (talk) 02:29, 23 November 2016 (UTC)
Thank you for the suggestions. Will try to take your advice. De88 (talk) 03:09, 23 November 2016 (UTC)
As De88 continues to work on the article, I am reinstating my support. There are no more photo galleries or pictures next to each other, and the "Buy" section is also coming along. If there are any particularly good stores for jewelry, dresses and shoes, please provide separate listings for them. Ikan Kekek (talk) 06:44, 2 December 2016 (UTC)
Update: I just finished my semester in college and will devote more time into editing this article. What suggestions do y'all have to make this article stand out even more? Feedback is greatly appreciated. De88 (talk) 18:32, 14 December 2016 (UTC)
  • Support - This article looks very complete and surely feature-worthy. I wouldn't mind another image in the last part of the article - but that's a detail. Good work. JuliasTravels (talk) 22:39, 4 February 2017 (UTC)

Time to feature[edit]

It's certainly against no policy to change the months to feature, but let's discuss it. Do you really think that Texas summers are ideal for most visitors? Ikan Kekek (talk) 03:19, 21 December 2016 (UTC)

Well, South Padre Island is an extremely popular destination during Spring Break and summer months. The Island and Brownsville rely on each other economically since they are very close to each other. They are only 20 minutes away from each other. The city sees more tourists during these months, believe it or not. Winter Texans do come in the hundreds of thousands but millions come here, especially during March. *What do you think, Ikan Kekek? De88 (talk) 03:25, 21 December 2016 (UTC)
You're the expert, not I, and you explained your reasoning clearly, so I'm happy to defer to you. Ikan Kekek (talk) 05:32, 24 December 2016 (UTC)
Isn't it a bad idea to feature Brownsville or anything near the Gulf of Mexico from July onwards, due to the hurricane risk? Though as Brownsville most likely (finally!) will go on the Main Page sometimes next spring, I guess we don't need to elaborate on that further. ϒpsilon (talk) 19:23, 10 September 2017 (UTC)
You're correct about your last point; I had envisioned Brownsville on the Main Page in March 2018. As a general rule, however, while hurricanes can form anytime between June and November, they generally are a major threat to the U.S. mainland only between late August and late October, with the Caribbean season generally beginning a few weeks beforehand in early August. -- AndreCarrotflower (talk) 19:34, 10 September 2017 (UTC)


Place: Bozeman
Blurb: Could this Montana college town really be named the home of the 2026 Winter Olympics? Maybe, maybe not. Either way, it's nestled in prime winter sports territory, a stone's throw away from some of the finest skiing in Big Sky Country. (should not exceed ~145 characters)
Article status: Guide (must be guide or above).
Time to feature: All year, winter 2017 preferred to take advantage of ski season
Nominated by: AndreCarrotflower (talk) 15:34, 23 November 2016 (UTC)
Comment: Please see User talk:Ypsilon#Oregon Trail for the backstory as to how this nomination came about.


  • Close. The article needs a few more photos and a map, and all but two listings need geo coordinates. That seems like a simple enough fix. Also, the Big Sky Resort and other area ski resorts should be added to the "Do" section (if not as listings, then they should be mentioned in prose), since we're promoting Bozeman as a winter sports destination. Finally, the bullet points in the "Go next" section (especially the one for Big Sky) should be fleshed out with one-liner descriptions. -- AndreCarrotflower (talk) 15:34, 23 November 2016 (UTC)
  • Close Listing update + addition of coordinates, plus the other couple of things Andre just said. As it'll be a full year before it goes on the main page it's probably better to update the listings closer to the time of feature instead of today. ϒpsilon (talk) 20:19, 23 November 2016 (UTC)
  • I've done some work on this article in the past few months, as have others, and I think most of these concerns have been addressed. Most of the listings (though not quite all) now have geocoordinates, there are more photos and a dynamic map, the "Go next" section has short one-liner descriptions, and the "Do" section mentions Big Sky and Bridger Bowl. There's certainly still room for improvement, but what do you think? —Granger (talk · contribs) 00:21, 7 September 2017 (UTC)
The listings in each section need to be alphabetized, and I think the 2026 Olympic bid should be mentioned in there somewhere ("Understand", probably). But all in all, it seems you've done most of the heavy lifting. Thanks, Granger! -- AndreCarrotflower (talk) 00:42, 7 September 2017 (UTC)
Done! I didn't alphabetize the "Drink" section, so that the order would still match the prose, but the other sections are now alphabetized. And I added something about the Olympics to the "Understand" section. —Granger (talk · contribs) 13:25, 7 September 2017 (UTC)
  • Seems incomplete without mention of the First Contact With Vulcans Historic Site just a bit outside the city. Sure, it won't be established for another 46 years but... Powers (talk) 14:32, 7 September 2017 (UTC)
  • Thanks to Granger's much-appreciated improvements, I'm changing my vote to Support. Ypsilon, you're currently on record with a "Close" vote; would you care to follow suit? -- AndreCarrotflower (talk) 14:49, 7 September 2017 (UTC)
  • The article still needed some coords and the lead section was very short, but I just fixed that and thus I can support the article now (I assume listings have been checked up already). --ϒpsilon (talk) 15:53, 7 September 2017 (UTC)
  • I'll support too—some additional information about other outdoor activities would be good, but isn't necessary for featuring, I don't think. —Granger (talk · contribs) 20:12, 21 October 2017 (UTC)


Place: Chicago/Bronzeville
Blurb: African-American history abounds in the "Black Metropolis", where Gwendolyn Brooks published poetry in the Chicago Defender, Andrew Rube Foster created Negro League baseball, and Louis Armstrong kept his trumpet singing at the Sunset Cafe to keep Al Capone off his back. (should not exceed ~145 characters)
Article status: Star (must be guide or above).
Time to feature: Apr-Oct
Nominated by: AndreCarrotflower (talk) 16:05, 9 April 2017 (UTC)
Comment: Believe it or not, it's time to start thinking about feature articles for 2018. It's been a while since Chicago has graced our Main Page - the most recent feature was Far Northwest Side, which was OtBP way back in 2015. Here's a Star district article that I've had my eye on for a while now.

Bronzeville grafitti.jpg

  • Support as nominator. Looks like the most recent substantive edits were in 2013, but it should be a simple matter to confirm the continued existence, opening hours, phone numbers, URLs, etc. of the listed POIs. Aside from that, there's a nice static map that actually appears up to date, containing most or all of the numerous listings, and - of course, this being a Star article, not to mention a Chicago district - the prose is skillfully and engagingly written. -- AndreCarrotflower (talk) 16:05, 9 April 2017 (UTC)
  • Support - Hell yes! I've read through this article before. It's a Star, with all kinds of good information. Like you, I trust that it would be acceptably updated before a feature. Given recent troubles with crime in some black neighborhoods of Chicago, it would be important to add a "Stay safe" section that addresses whether or to what extent Bronzeville has or has not suffered from this (I simply don't know enough about Chicago to know which neighborhoods have been affected). Ikan Kekek (talk) 19:59, 9 April 2017 (UTC)
  • As always, listings need to be checked and coordinates would also be useful, nevertheless this is a nice article and I can support it when the aforementioned issues are fixed (no point in updating them right today as it's a full year before we'll see it on the main page). Tangentially we have two Star itineraries in Chicago, Loop Art Tour and Along the Magnificent Mile. I brought them up two years ago and asked if it's OK to feature personal itineraries and consensus was that we should not. However, are these two itineraries "too personal" to be featured as FTT? What do you think? --ϒpsilon (talk) 06:18, 19 July 2017 (UTC)
  • Almost, needs some updates. I have just compared this with LP's paper guide to Chicago. We have more see listings -16 against the 8 that LP have. (LP does have w:Roloson Houses and w:State Street Village, which might be worth listing and w:Pilgrim Baptist Church which isn't, and does have a stay safe warning, but no eat, sleep or drink listings). I have updated some of the eat & sleep listings, but quite a bit more is needed - with emphasis on the budget sleep listings. I think that the last sentence of Understand could form the start of Stay safe. Overall I would rather have our article than the LP book if I did venture to Bronzeville. AlasdairW (talk) 22:28, 3 August 2017 (UTC)


Place: Erlangen
Blurb: Whether you're in town for the twelve day Bergkirchweih extravaganza or not, Erlangen is much more than Siemens and university. Its charming old town as well as its Huguenot and margravial heritage make Southern Germany's smallest Großstadt a perfect place to get on your bike and explore (okay, this blurb needs work) (should not exceed ~145 characters)
Article status: Guide (must be guide or above).
Time to feature: May preferred to coincide with Bergkirchweih festival, otherwise Apr-Oct
Nominated by: Hobbitschuster (talk) 17:41, 9 April 2017 (UTC)
Comment: There is absolutely no rush to get this featured now, but I want to get this "in the pipeline" for our "Germany slot" a year or two from now

Erlangen Schlossplatz.JPG
  • As a former resident of a nearby suburb, attendant of this city's most run down high school and someone whose last visit to the town was a few months ago, I can assure that this article has been written with substantial local input and is quite up to date. There is no rush to feature it now, but I am nominating early this time, lest the Germany slot be already "taken" some time in the future. If you find fault with this article, do point out, where and how and why. Hobbitschuster (talk) 17:41, 9 April 2017 (UTC)
  • Not yet. About a third to a half of the listings in "See", as well as a considerably higher proportion of those in "Do", "Buy", "Eat", "Drink", and "Sleep", are either bare bullet points like the Yellow Pages, or have blurbs that need lengthening. Aside from that, though, the article looks good and I'll be happy to support it when the blurbs are attended to. -- AndreCarrotflower (talk) 19:54, 9 April 2017 (UTC)
@Buan~dewiki: do you want to weigh in? You've edited on this article quite a bit in the past... Hobbitschuster (talk) 20:37, 1 August 2017 (UTC)
I don't have experience or real comparison measures regarding nomination. As for the lists: I've just opened the article and deem the descriptions in the See section rather short. As a traveller I would love to read some more about the sights (mostly for palaces/notable buildings and churches, the rest seems quite ok). Maybe same applies for Do, although I think the titles are already more descriptive and at least I would have a look at the pages of everything that's happening when I'm at a place to see what I'm really interested in. As for the buy section, I personally deem lists enough. Eat and Drink are in my view long enough (would otherwise be hard to read). Comparing it with Groningen (the current off the beaten path destination), I would say: Erlangen still lacks some more descriptive content for the items in See and to some extent in Do and Sleep. In my view, it could be added with reasonable effort, I'm just personally very busy at the moment and would have a rather tough time doing anything on WikiVoyage except basic adding of a listing item I run accross by chance. Buan~dewiki (talk) 21:37, 1 August 2017 (UTC)
  • Needs work. This is a really informative article. Nevertheless, many listings still need descriptions. There are maybe a little too many intermediate headings here and there, some with just one listing under them. Finally, there are no photos whatsoever after the Do section. ϒpsilon (talk) 18:53, 10 September 2017 (UTC)


Place: Poros
Blurb: Described as an island of serenity and relaxation, Poros is a complete Greek experience with numerous beaches, archaeological sites and delicious food. (should not exceed ~145 characters)
Article status: Guide (must be guide or above).
Time to feature: Apr-Oct
Nominated by: --ϒpsilon, the 20th letter in the Greek alphabet :D (talk) 18:36, 18 June 2017 (UTC)
Comment: Have had my eyes on this one ever since User:Agustin Bartolome turned the article to what it's now. Considering Greece is one of the most popular Mediterranean countries to visit, it's surprising that we've only ever featured one Greek article (Mykonos in Sep 2011), so let's make this the second one. I just updated the Get in section, arranged Sleep in price categories and filled out some other small bits of information that were missing.

It was mentioned in Yuzhno-Sakhalinsk's nomination that it risks ending up on the slush pile, so if that will happen (I hope not) here's a replacement for August's OtBP slot (or if it's a problem to have three European destinations on the Main Page at the same time, we can run Kurashiki in August and this one in September). Otherwise we can run this one next spring.

Clock tower in Poros.jpg

  • Support per comment. --ϒpsilon (talk) 18:36, 18 June 2017 (UTC)
  • Needs some very minor copyedits, but that's not enough to hamper my support. -- AndreCarrotflower (talk) 17:25, 21 June 2017 (UTC)
  • Comment: I'll have a closer look another day, but some of the prose may be a bit purple, and I feel like "Understand" is too long or at least has too many of the details that belong in other sections. It would be fine to have an "Orientation" subsection, but in that case, attractions could be mentioned as an aid to orientation but not in detail. Ikan Kekek (talk) 04:28, 2 July 2017 (UTC)


Place: Ukulhas
Blurb: Always wanted to dive, fish, swim and relax on the beach on a tropical island off the beaten path? (should not exceed ~145 characters)
Article status: Guide (must be guide or above).
Time to feature: Dec-Apr
Nominated by: ϒpsilon (talk) 20:27, 30 June 2017 (UTC)
Comment: I think at least two winter months still need OtBPs, so how about this one. Yes, it's a short article but it's also a small island, please see Talk:Ukulhas#Guide_and_OtBP.3F for my reasoning for upgrading the article to guide.

Front view of Ukulhas at the front jetty.jpg
  • Support per nomination. ϒpsilon (talk) 20:27, 30 June 2017 (UTC)
  • Support. I noticed the edits you were making to this article, Ypsi, and I wondered whether a DotM nomination wasn't your endgame. :) Ukulhas is at Guide level, no doubt about it, and it's been a while since we featured a destination on the Indian Subcontinent. "Eat and drink" and "Sleep" need to be alphabetized, and that's really the only issue I can find. (I presume all the POIs without geo coordinates were ones you tried and failed to find the locations of.) -- AndreCarrotflower (talk) 23:20, 30 June 2017 (UTC)
  • Support, after copy editing the article. Ikan Kekek (talk) 04:20, 2 July 2017 (UTC)
  • It would really be nice to have more information about the mosques, including their locations, and directions or coordinates for the health center. And it's unfortunate that Open Street Map seems to be missing so many of the island's streets. But these are fairly small issues—support. —Granger (talk · contribs) 18:27, 9 September 2017 (UTC)

Kakamega Rainforest[edit]

Place: Kakamega Rainforest
Blurb: Watch the sun rise through the morning mist in Kenya's last primeval rainforest, home to rare tropical birds and butterflies. (should not exceed ~145 characters)
Article status: Guide (must be guide or above).
Time to feature: Oct-Mar
Nominated by: ϒpsilon (talk) 19:51, 16 July 2017 (UTC)
Comment: Let's take our readers to Africa the upcoming winter too! Just as Mombasa which we ran in early 2015, this is a Star article on French Wikivoyage, translated to English with my modest French skills aided by Google translate. Should be as up-to-date as possible, though it would be fantastic if User:Omondi, the main author of the article in French and apparently otherwise knowledgeable about Kenya would have the time to have a look at the article and this nomination.

Lirhanda Hill (2293431121).jpg
  • Support per nomination. --ϒpsilon (talk) 19:51, 16 July 2017 (UTC)
  • Not yet, and this article needs a lot of work:
  • The bullet point listings in the "Understand" subsections should be converted to prose, and much of the information is likely too encyclopedic to fit Wikivoyage's tone.
  • We need vastly more information for the listings in "See".
  • "Do" needs to be expanded beyond a mere bullet point list of park-administered guided walks.
  • Empty subheads in the "Sleep" section need to be either filled out or deleted.
  • A thorough copyedit and mos-ification is needed.
-- AndreCarrotflower (talk) 18:45, 17 September 2017 (UTC)


Place: Höfn
Blurb: This small fishing town is known for two things; the mighty Vatnajökull sitting next to it and lobsters. (should not exceed ~145 characters)
Article status: Guide (must be guide or above).
Time to feature: probably Jun-Aug
Nominated by: ϒpsilon (talk) 18:33, 6 September 2017 (UTC)
Comment: What can I say, a nice little Guide article which I just added coordinates to and removed dead listings from. It's at least nine months before it goes on the Main Page and closer to that time we can update those bus hours.

Iceland Höfn.jpg
  • Support per nomination.ϒpsilon (talk) 18:33, 6 September 2017 (UTC)
  • Support. Höfn is IMO perfectly featureable as is, however I'm noticing room for improvement in the "Buy" section: the article says "The arts and crafts scene is very active in Höfn and some good souvenir shopping is possible if you keep your eyes open" and "a few artists have workshops and galleries in Mikligarður, an old building by the harbor" yet none of these places have listings. -- AndreCarrotflower (talk) 18:38, 17 September 2017 (UTC)

Nominations for Featured travel topic[edit]

Rail travel in Germany[edit]

Place: Rail travel in Germany
Blurb: Germany's railways enjoy a superb reputation abroad and trains are often the fastest, most comfortable and sometimes cheapest way around the country (should not exceed ~145 characters)
Article status: Guide (must be guide or above).
Time to feature: Any; preferably not December (schedule change)
Nominated by: Hobbitschuster (talk) 20:54, 2 March 2017 (UTC)
Comment: I think some work may need to be done still but this could go live tomorrow without causing me too much headache

ICE Velaro D Köln Hauptbahnhof 2015-12-17-03.JPG

  • Somehow this nominee fell through the cracks. Good work, Hobbitschuster. Voting support with no reservations. -- AndreCarrotflower (talk) 14:12, 27 March 2017 (UTC)
  • Support. You're on the right track. K7L (talk) 16:17, 27 March 2017 (UTC)
  • Comment: Complaining about Deutsche Bahn and comparing it (unfavorably) to railroads in France, Switzerland, Japan or Italy is a particular "hobby" of a large subset of the German population. Meanwhile next to all non-Germans (excluding the Swiss, that is) who have an opinion on DB consider it an excellent transportation choice. The article currently partially reflects the latter but makes no allusions to the former. Is this the right approach or should we give the "Bahn-Nörgler" the light of day? Hobbitschuster (talk) 18:54, 27 March 2017 (UTC)
  • I think exactly the kind of statement you just made would be good to put in the article. I'm really busy with professional and personal stuff right now, but I'll have a look through the article when I have sufficient time and mental space. Ikan Kekek (talk) 19:17, 27 March 2017 (UTC)
  • Support This article is a pretty good one. I don't see any obvious issues with it, having just given it a quick read-through. It has answers to everything a traveler might have questions about (and a few things they might not think to ask, such as the bit about passenger rights). DethDestroyerOfWords (talk) 15:22, 9 May 2017 (UTC)
  • Support it's a really good-looking article, at least at a first glance. When the article is about to go live, we maybe need to check that all external links are still alive. ϒpsilon (talk) 15:09, 6 June 2017 (UTC)
  • Support on the condition that a good look is taken at it before it goes live. Maybe User:Griffindd and User:Xsobev who have also contributed to this article in the last months want to weigh in as well? Hobbitschuster (talk) 23:08, 20 July 2017 (UTC)

American football[edit]

Place: American football
Blurb: A nearly inescapable autumn phenomenon Stateside, but largely unknown in the rest of the world: if you're keen on planning a trip around the U.S.'s most popular sport, here's the lowdown! (blurb may need work) (should not exceed ~145 characters)
Article status: Usable, but see notes below Guide (must be guide or above).
Time to feature: Aug-Dec to coincide with NFL season
Nominated by: AndreCarrotflower (talk) 23:36, 8 May 2017 (UTC)
Comment: So it's come to this: we literally have no suitable Guide-level FTT candidates to run for November:

  1. My first thought was that the time may be ripe to run one of Flying's four daughter articles, all of which are at Guide status, but doing so immediately after the thematically similar Manchester Airport's stint as October's FTT would be problematic;
  2. Though we have a wealth of dive guides to choose from, all the Guide-level ones focus on the Cape Peninsula and False Bay in South Africa, an exceedingly small geographic area that I'm wary about featuring as frequently as every year;
  3. Any of the several U.S.-based itineraries would overlap with Bozeman (OtBP for December) on the schedule
  4. others have been slushed in the past for issues that are less easily resolvable than the ones in this article.

See the comments in my vote, but the short version is that this article is arguably at Guide status already. Even if not, it's damn close.

Ralph Wilson Stadium (NFL Buffalo Bills) - Orchard Park, NY.jpg

  • Close. Talk:American football#Headed for FTT? details the article's exceedingly minor issues: it needs more detail about the Pro Football Hall of Fame that can easily be paraphrased from what's in Canton (Ohio), additional listings for historic places related to football, expanded information about tailgating, stadium amenities, high school football, etc. To those I would only add that the team listings in the "Canadian Football League" section ought to be expanded with short blurbs the same as the NFL teams are. Overall, though, as I see it, this article needs less work to be featureable than some of the ostensibly Guide-level ones we've recently featured, such as Next-to-impossible destinations or Kabak, were when first nominated. -- AndreCarrotflower (talk) 23:36, 8 May 2017 (UTC)
  • Comment - I'm not that familiar with American football, but the article explains the history and rules of the sport and goes on to present the NFL teams and other leagues too so I guess the article is in a quite good shape already. Before supporting the article I'd like to see some supports from people who actually know the sport (and perhaps have been to a game). Just as Andre said, there are still some sections that could be expanded and after all the article is still only at usable status. Is there something else a "newbie" who plans to go see a game should know; how about those stadium amenities and are there perhaps some other fun things than tailgating parties? ϒpsilon (talk) 14:21, 6 June 2017 (UTC)
Anyone? ϒpsilon (talk) 19:56, 16 July 2017 (UTC)
As of now, in terms of dotm-related tasks, I'm mainly focused on whipping Aarhus into shape in time for the first of next month. However, I'm confident I will be able to tackle this one too, assuming no one else steps up first. -- AndreCarrotflower (talk) 21:14, 16 July 2017 (UTC)
I think I have added to the article what I can add without actually going to the US (or London) and attending an NFL game. Which I would love to, but I don't have the money for that... Hobbitschuster (talk) 22:20, 16 July 2017 (UTC)
User:PerryPlanet and User:Dale Arnett have made many contributions to the article. Maybe they would like to have their say on the status and completeness of the article? ϒpsilon (talk) 15:52, 30 July 2017 (UTC)
I left my thoughts on the talk page for the article a while ago. PerryPlanet (talk) 21:11, 30 July 2017 (UTC)
I'm not sure quite what you guys are looking for as regards the fan experience. You drive to the stadium, find a parking spot, show your ticket, find your seat, and watch the game. Amenities are the same as at any sporting venue -- bathrooms and concessions. Powers (talk) 18:35, 6 September 2017 (UTC)
The way you describe it sounds a bit boring. Frankly it sounds as if there is hardly any value gained in attending in person as compared to watching the game on TV. In European sports you get to see the likes of this and even participate it in some sense. And in German American Football they do the likes of this, apparently copying US American Football. Is there anything like "fan culture" in the US? Hobbitschuster (talk) 21:55, 6 September 2017 (UTC)
Most football fans do prefer watching it on TV. You get a closer view of the action and replays, as well as useful analysis of each play. There's a reason football didn't really take off in popularity until the 1960s. Contrast to baseball, which is the least TV-friendly sport and has seen its popularity eaten away by the NFL. Some NFL teams do have particularly vocal cheering sections, like Cleveland's Dawg Pound, but it's nothing on the scale of those videos you posted. NFL fan culture, such as it is, is expressed primarily through tailgating, going to sports bars to watch games, and chattering online or in person about the team. Powers (talk) 22:58, 6 September 2017 (UTC)
  • Support As someone rather unfamiliar with the sport, I only noticed the lack of information about the experience as a spectator. This has now been addressed, and I therefore give the article it's first support vote for FTT. Of course any further additions to the article are welcome. ϒpsilon (talk) 08:11, 7 September 2017 (UTC)
  • Very close, so close that I almost feel bad not giving this article my full Support. There are still some minor issues: I'd like to see the listings in "Other football sites" filled out with a bit more information; the CFL teams should each get a brief descriptive blurb the same way the NFL teams do; the article needs a few copyedits here and there. I had already planned on taking care of the fixes this article needed if no one else stepped up, so I can't imagine it would be a problem for me to take care of these much more minor issues, especially since it's still two and a half months before American Football goes on the Main Page. And I don't want any of the foregoing to take away from the fact that Justin did most of the true heavy lifting that was required. Impressive work! -- AndreCarrotflower (talk) 13:23, 7 September 2017 (UTC)
    • @AndreCarrotflower: You flatter me. I've made some more additions and want to clean up the very meager listings at the end. I agree that it still has some work to go but it's pretty close now. —Justin (koavf)TCM 08:16, 8 September 2017 (UTC)
  • Support - and happy to see how far this article has come since I created it way back in January of 2015. Hobbitschuster (talk) 16:47, 11 September 2017 (UTC)

Italian phrasebook[edit]

Place: Italian phrasebook
Blurb: Visiting one of the most popular destinations in the world, wouldn't it be nice to be able to order cappuccino in the local language? (should not exceed ~145 characters)
Article status: Guide (must be guide or above).
Time to feature: Any
Nominated by: ϒpsilon (talk) 17:20, 5 June 2017 (UTC)
Comment: Every winter we've traditionally featured a phrasebook, but often for languages with a small number of speakers and/or spoken in relatively less traveled parts of the world (Belarusian, Swedish, Armenian, Finnish, Igbo). Nothing wrong with that, but why not be different this time and cater to some of the 50 million foreigners visiting Italy.

Rifugio Alpino Boffalora (5).JPG

  • Support - What can I say, it's a guide phrasebook. Just needs some nice photos, but it doesn't take long to add them. ϒpsilon (talk) 17:20, 5 June 2017 (UTC)
  • Very, very, very close - it just needs some photos and it's good to go. -- AndreCarrotflower (talk) 22:05, 5 June 2017 (UTC)
  • Comment - I guess you guys like my edits. I'm not sure my grammar notes couldn't be improved on, but I do believe they were necessary. I'll try to look through the phrasebook with a fine-toothed comb later. For pictures, should we focus partly on educational institutions like the University of Bologna, which excluding the Islamic Universities in North Africa is the oldest in the world, or should we go for the typical highlights of Italy? Ikan Kekek (talk) 22:11, 5 June 2017 (UTC)
  • Practical signs - very good idea. Street signs, restroom signs and menus (but I didn't see many on Commons) could also be useful. Ikan Kekek (talk) 02:40, 6 June 2017 (UTC)
  • Comment - OK, I've just looked through the phrasebook in detail through the end of the "Pronunciation" section. I think that section needs more work and is not yet ready to run, but can be if there's agreement on how to proceed. I very much dislike how several sounds are punted by just comparing them to Spanish. Anyone who already knows Spanish well can actually do fine just speaking Spanish in Italy and gradually learning Italian vocabulary and phrases. The audience for this phrasebook should be people who do not know any other Romance languages. And in that respect, I think we should describe "eu" as "ehyoo", "ia" as "eeyah", "ie" as "eeyeh" and "io" as "eeyoh" (with Leo being a fine example and minus the Spanish example, because if you can pronounce Spanish, you scarcely need this guide, other than for "c" and a couple of other consonants). I also think the instructions on pronouncing "o" are totally no good for Americans. I addressed some of this on Talk:Italian phrasebook. If you'd like to give me free rein to change the article accordingly, I'd be happy to do it. Ikan Kekek (talk) 08:54, 6 June 2017 (UTC)
OK, I plunged forward and took care of the pronunciation section, but now in the phrasebook, there are a bunch of weird accentuations. This is not an uncommon case: "Non parlo italiano. (non PAHR-loh ee-TAH-lyah-noh)" Really? iTAliano??? Granted, I am not a native speaker, but come on, really? ItalIAno. Gimme a break! So I will go through every single phrase and fix this weirdness wherever I see it. Ikan Kekek (talk) 04:30, 8 June 2017 (UTC)
There's another issue that I think needs to be resolved before I will support a feature: The prevalence of 2nd-person plural (voi) verb forms. My understanding is that using those to address a single person is very patronizing - my parents told me that in the 60s, that was the form people used for their maids instead of "tu", and of course they used the "Lei" form for everyone else except their family members and closest friends. Things had loosened up considerably by the 90s, when I found that fellow students and other people around my age (then in my mid 20s) just about automatically used "tu" among themselves, but when speaking with service personnel, "Lei" was used. My feeling is that all commands and requests in the phrasebook except those expressly for more than one person should be in the "Lei" (3rd person, and often conditional) form. So "potrebbe" instead of "potete" and so on. But I would really like a native speaker or at least someone with more recent and extensive experience in Italy to address this point at Talk:Italian phrasebook#2nd person plural. Ikan Kekek (talk) 05:17, 8 June 2017 (UTC)
Update: Lkcl it, a native speaker, gave me some quick pointers, and I've made pretty extensive revisions, mostly to substitute polite "Lei" verb forms (many of them also conditional) for less polite "voi" forms, but also to change (fix, I hope) really weird-looking syllable accentuation. I still will not be ready to support a feature until a native or otherwise advanced speaker has had a chance to look through this phrasebook with a fine-toothed comb. I had very good conversational and reading ability when I was in practice, but I was probably to the intermediate side of advanced at best, and I always did a lot of things by feel and logic, such as guessing from Latin-derived English vocabulary (e.g. conduction -> conduzione; production -> produzione; rapidity -> rapidità; studipity -> stupidità). Ikan Kekek (talk) 02:36, 13 June 2017 (UTC)
Ikan Kekek I'm sorry but till the first days of July I'll not be able to help reading all the article. The article hasn't been scheduled yet, so I hope there is time ... --Lkcl it (Talk) 18:59, 13 June 2017 (UTC)
There is time, and your help is much appreciated. Ikan Kekek (talk) 20:26, 13 June 2017 (UTC)
User:Andyrom75 might also be able to help. ϒpsilon (talk) 19:25, 15 June 2017 (UTC)
ϒpsilon I'm making few adjustment, but please standardize thw way formal/informal phrases are shown: sometimes in different lines and the others in one line, but in this case sometimes formal is first and the others informal is first. Furthemore: sometimes in Italic and sometimes plain or, sometimes with capital letter and sometimes don't. --Andyrom75 (talk) 10:00, 16 June 2017 (UTC)
Done. There is some pronunciatio that needs to be adjusted. --Andyrom75 (talk) 13:29, 16 June 2017 (UTC)
Mille grazie ;). ϒpsilon (talk) 15:44, 16 June 2017 (UTC)
Come lui ha detto. :-) Ikan Kekek (talk) 17:22, 16 June 2017 (UTC)
  • Support: I'm still unsure about something on the margins (the usage of "il menù"), but I generally feel this phrasebook is in good shape now and can be featured. Ikan Kekek (talk) 03:33, 12 August 2017 (UTC)

Metric and Imperial equivalents[edit]

Place: Metric and Imperial equivalents
Blurb: When traveling abroad you may run into unfamiliar units for instance when it comes to distance, volume, temperature or weight. Check out our helpful guide! (should not exceed ~145 characters)
Article status: Guide (must be guide or above).
Time to feature: Any
Nominated by: ϒpsilon (talk) 14:58, 6 June 2017 (UTC)
Comment: One of those brief and boring, but very useful travel topics. Per Talk:Metric_and_Imperial_equivalents#Guide.3F there really isn't anything to add, but perhaps we need to tinker with the layout a little bit.

Volles Pint-Glas.jpg
  • Support, I think. ϒpsilon (talk) 14:58, 6 June 2017 (UTC)
  • Support The article is short, but contains all the pertinent information on the topic. If someone feels like taking a crack at designing a better layout for the article, great, but I don't think it's essential or perhaps even necessary. I'd be perfectly comfortable running the article as is. -- AndreCarrotflower (talk) 15:02, 6 June 2017 (UTC)
  • Support. Considering the topic, it's much more readable than I would have expected. Ikan Kekek (talk) 20:30, 6 June 2017 (UTC)
  • Comment, I think the article could benefit from another brief section on energy and nutrition. Especially calorie vs joule and kilojoule, which is important for people on certain diets. But apart from that it looks comprehensive. Gizza (roam) 05:56, 8 June 2017 (UTC)
  • Stone could also be mentioned, if the Brits still use those for weight. We don't use them in the U.S. If I remember correctly each stone is 7 pounds? Or is it 14 pounds? Ikan Kekek (talk) 06:03, 8 June 2017 (UTC)
I think it's fourteen pounds. And I'm not too sure we need to mention Joules and calories - is there a place where labels only mention one? And if so, what about horse powers? Hobbitschuster (talk) 06:10, 13 June 2017 (UTC)
Labels in the U.S. typically use only calories. --JakeOregon (talk) 08:03, 1 July 2017 (UTC)
Horsepower would be helpful to quantify, as it's used a lot in specs for cars in the U.S. Ikan Kekek (talk) 06:21, 13 June 2017 (UTC)
I agree on HP; especially as they are still nostalgically used even by people who should know better in Europe. Hobbitschuster (talk) 20:07, 23 July 2017 (UTC)
  • Support. Very useful and surprisingly readable. —Granger (talk · contribs) 14:49, 23 July 2017 (UTC)

European Union[edit]

Place: European Union
Blurb: With one of its foundations laid 60 years ago, today EU has made travelling around much of Europe much smoother (should not exceed ~145 characters)
Article status: Guide (must be guide or above).
Time to feature: Any (Dec 2017 or Jan 2018)
Nominated by: ϒpsilon (talk) 06:38, 19 July 2017 (UTC)
Comment: EU's predecessor, the European Economic Community was established on 1 Jan 1958, which will be 60 years ago next New Year, so why not mark that anniversary by putting the EU article on the Main Page in December (or alternatively January). Can't come to think of anything to add to the article right now (also see Talk:European Union#Guide and FTT), but as I said elsewhere, if you have anything travel-relevant to add to the article, please do.

Parlamentarium - Parlement européen - Je suis Nice.jpg
  • Support? ϒpsilon (talk) 06:38, 19 July 2017 (UTC)
  • Some work still needed Per the talk page more detail on the history is needed. I know I can go into way too much detail about side points, so if I were to try and tackle it, someone (maybe User:Ground Zero) would have to mercilessly cut down fluff. Hobbitschuster (talk) 21:41, 19 July 2017 (UTC)
I have made some edits - nothing too major. I think it is good shape. Ground Zero (talk) 17:19, 26 July 2017 (UTC)
I think we should take the history to the current day still... Hobbitschuster (talk) 17:27, 26 July 2017 (UTC)
Could be featured in April/May, as 9 May is Europe Day. Also, usually decent weather in most EU countries; in contrast of December/January. /Yvwv (talk) 04:59, 20 September 2017 (UTC)
April 25th is ANZAC Day, so April belongs to Military museums and sites in Australia. May might work, but then the question would be what do we fill the December 2017 slot with? It would not be good to feature Advice for nervous flyers only two months after another air travel-related topic (Manchester Airport), and the arguments against running Roman Empire during the poor-weather months of December and January are essentially identical to the ones against running European Union in the same months. -- AndreCarrotflower (talk) 05:37, 20 September 2017 (UTC)
Indeed. Also, the article presents practical considerations for travelling around the EU rather than individual attractions, also business travellers do get around here regardless of the weather. And then there are of course places in the EU that are particularly popular during the winter months like ski resorts in Scandinavia, the Alps and the Carpatians, sun destinations like the Canary Islands and places in the Caribbean, as well as different kinds of events like Christmas markets taking place during those colder months drawing visitors from elsewhere in the world. ϒpsilon (talk) 10:50, 20 September 2017 (UTC)

Military museums and sites in Australia[edit]

Place: Military museums and sites in Australia
Blurb: Australia features a surprising number of military museums and war memorials. (should not exceed ~145 characters)
Article status: Guide (must be guide or above).
Time to feature: Anzac Day is commemorated on 25 April, so I think either March or April could be good months to feature this one
Nominated by: ϒpsilon (talk) 07:27, 10 August 2017 (UTC)
Comment: This is a comprehensive and interesting article. The main contributor said all important sites are mentioned in the article, and many minor ones have been added.

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  • Support per nomination. --ϒpsilon (talk) 07:27, 10 August 2017 (UTC)
  • This is what I like to call an "OtBP FTT". :) Nonetheless, this article looks perfect and it therefore has my wholehearted support. Thank you, Ypsilon and Nick-D, for your excellent work here. -- AndreCarrotflower (talk) 18:13, 10 August 2017 (UTC)
I think it makes more sense to feature this one in April rather than March, as new FTTs get subbed in on the 21st of each month and featured articles tend to get the most attention at the very beginning of their Main Page tenure. -- AndreCarrotflower (talk) 18:15, 10 August 2017 (UTC)
April would be best, as it aligns with Australia's main day of military-related commemorations. Nick-D (talk) 23:26, 11 August 2017 (UTC)
  • Support -- The article seems lovely and is an easy feature choice with none of the "effort" that other nominations seem to need to get "up to snuff". It has plenty of well written information and a good number of pictures. I learn quite a bit about a facet of Australian history I never gave much thought to before. I think it will need a quick run through perhaps a month or three before featuring to ensure the information is up to date. DethDestroyerOfWords (talk) 19:33, 10 August 2017 (UTC)
  • Support (as main contributor). Thanks for the nomination. As noted above, I think that this article now includes all of the major military museums and sites likely to be of interest to travellers in Australia, as well as as the most interesting local museums and sites. Nick-D (talk) 00:47, 12 August 2017 (UTC)
Nick-D, thank you for your work on this article - especially since it falls into a category (FTT) for which it's always a challenge to find good featured article candidates! -- AndreCarrotflower (talk) 00:50, 12 August 2017 (UTC)
  • Support. I wouldn't really know how to judge the coverage of this topic, but it's certainly a well-written, user-friendly article and I take the experts' evaluation of its coverage at face value. Ikan Kekek (talk) 02:50, 12 August 2017 (UTC)
  • Support. I have only been to a couple of the sites listed here, but the coverage looks good. I think that the individual listings should have links to the relevant city / district articles. Am I correct in thinking that little happens on November 11 in Australia, as the main event is Anzac Day? AlasdairW (talk) 21:40, 17 October 2017 (UTC)


Place: Judaism
Blurb: Over its long and often fraught existence, the world's oldest monotheistic religion has left its mark on history and culture all over the world — from the Holy Land to Europe to East Asia to the Americas. (should not exceed ~145 characters)
Article status: Guide (must be guide or above).
Time to feature: Anytime
Nominated by: AndreCarrotflower (talk) 18:35, 17 September 2017 (UTC)
Comment: As a discussion on this article's talk page indicates, many of us have had their eye on this article as a possible FTT for some time now. Though it's recently been elevated to Guide status and is thus eligible to be nominated (preferably for the March 2018 FTT slot which is currently vacant), Ikan Kekek earlier had expressed some doubts as to whether the article was yet complete enough to be featured. I'd love to hear whether, four months after having originally made that comment, his opinion has changed.

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  • Despite being the nominator, I can't in good conscience vote "support" for the article as is. However, we have a goodly amount of time to attend to its needs, which as I see them comprise adding geo coordinates for all the listings in "Cities" and "See" that don't yet have them, as well as lengthening descriptive blurbs in most cases, and perhaps expanding the "Eat", "Drink", and "Buy" sections (in descending order of how much additional detail IMO should be added). This may not be an exhaustive list of the article's issues (again, I hereby solicit Ikan's opinion on the matter) but again, the March '18 slot is vacant. -- AndreCarrotflower (talk) 18:35, 17 September 2017 (UTC)
  • The article is in much better shape than before, due to a lot of hard, smart work. I think there are still some more cities that should be added, and we also may want to think about what should be in "Cities" and what should be in "See". Ikan Kekek (talk) 19:44, 17 September 2017 (UTC)
  • Conditional support As I said on the talk page some coords are still missing, but on the other hand I don't know much about Judaism so I can't myself tell if everything important is in the article. But I'm ready to support the article when Ikan and other central contributors think it looks good for the main page. ϒpsilon (talk) 19:59, 17 September 2017 (UTC)
  • I would solicit the opinion and comments of Ar2332, whose great work is most responsible for the great improvements in this article. Ikan Kekek (talk) 20:19, 17 September 2017 (UTC)
    • There is still work to be done. The "See" section is generally missing sites in Israel. The "Cities" section still needs work, in terms of content and focus. The relationship between the "Cities" and "See" sections needs to be clarified. Ar2332 (talk) 22:01, 17 September 2017 (UTC)
  • I agree with Ar2332. The "city" and "See" sections seem like they should be merged. The distinction is really unclear. ChubbyWimbus (talk) 02:36, 18 September 2017 (UTC)
  • March/April would be suitable, as it coincides with Passover/Easter. /Yvwv (talk) 05:10, 20 September 2017 (UTC)
Again, the March 2018 FTT slot is vacant, and I intended to fill it with this. -- AndreCarrotflower (talk) 05:17, 20 September 2017 (UTC)

Advice for nervous flyers[edit]

Place: Advice for nervous flyers
Blurb: Scared of flying? You don't need to be! Have a look at our guide and consider taking a course and hopefully you'll be more comfortable flying. (should not exceed ~145 characters)
Article status: Guide (must be guide or above).
Time to feature: Anytime
Nominated by: ϒpsilon (talk) 10:30, 18 September 2017 (UTC)
Comment: A little less than a year ago Andre suggested this article was possible already a guide. I can't come to think of anything missing so I upgraded it to guide per my monologue on the article's talk page and nominate it right now. If there's anything missing, feel free to add it.

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  • Support as nominator. ϒpsilon (talk) 10:30, 18 September 2017 (UTC)
  • Support. Article looks ready to go as is. -- AndreCarrotflower (talk) 23:19, 23 September 2017 (UTC)
  • Support. Looks like a solid article. —Granger (talk · contribs) 22:53, 30 September 2017 (UTC)
  • Support. I see no reason to not feature this article DethDestroyerOfWords (talk) 20:21, 19 October 2017 (UTC)

Roman Empire[edit]

Place: Roman Empire
Blurb: The Roman Empire encircled the Mediterranean two thousand years ago and left many marvellous ruins. Its heritage has influenced much of the world. (should not exceed ~145 characters)
Article status: Usable (deserves a higher grade) (must be guide or above).
Time to feature: Spring or autumn
Nominated by: Yvwv (talk) 04:56, 20 September 2017 (UTC)
Comment: A highlight in the historical travel series. The marker counter is capped at 99; maybe we can find a workaround?

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  • I want to vote Support here, because it's a well-written article on one of my personal favorite historical subjects. However, I'm not sure if the marker counter being capped at 99 is a bug so much as a feature. The plain fact of any article having over 99 listings (even a travel topic article, and especially an article with a dynamic map) is a pretty big red flag for me that says maybe we need to think about whether all of these places really need to be listed, or whether it should be split up into smaller articles (much as previous FTT Fundamentals of flying was), perhaps with Roman Empire itself serving as sort of a "Huge City" analogue: a summarization of and portal to the more fine-grained information in the daughter articles. -- AndreCarrotflower (talk) 05:29, 20 September 2017 (UTC)
  • Conditional support. The 99 problems (now I got Jay-Z's song on continuous replay in my head, thanks a lot :P) need to be fixed. One possible workaround would be splitting them up geographically (e.g. 1. today's Italy, 2. France+Iberia, 3. British Isles+Central Europe+Benelux, 4. Balkan+Greece, 5. Turkey+Middle East, 6. Northern Africa) and use different markers for destinations in different regions. ϒpsilon (talk) 11:04, 20 September 2017 (UTC)
  • Not yet; there are just too many listings. I think many of them should be pushed down to destination articles and just a summary (maybe with listing for cities, but not individual attractions) kept here. A recent discussion of a similar issue is at Wikivoyage:Travellers'_pub#Downtown_Shanghai. Pashley (talk) 18:31, 20 September 2017 (UTC)
  • Almost. The listing types should be changed to use different colours, and to avoid the present problem of having eight #1 listings. Individual listings should be trimmed to remove phone numbers, hours, prices etc, and these should be in a linked destination article. A bigger job is that all the destination articles need to be checked to see that they have related listings with the full details - I found four listings in Algeria linked to Batna but only one was in the very outline article. I don't think that there are too many listings - I would actually say the reverse that there are a few sights are missing (no Antonine Wall in Scotland). A few listings might be combined, but not many as most listings appear separately on the map at a zoom of 8. AlasdairW (talk) 20:45, 20 September 2017 (UTC)
Well, what does a good article do? Does it include every possible listing, or does it try to avoid overwhelming the reader with too much information (not to mention the static map with too many markers, a problem that the proposed color-coding solution doesn't address)? I think the answer is pretty clearly the second option. I think this article really needs to be split up in the same way as Flying is split up into Planning your flight, At the airport, On the plane, and Arriving by plane. -- AndreCarrotflower (talk) 21:16, 20 September 2017 (UTC)
Breaking it out into Roman Britain, Roman France etc would be fine, just having a paragraph about the countries with more than a dozen or so listings, with a link to a country article. On reflection, a paragraph introducing each country would be a worthwhile addition (when was this territory part of the Roman Empire etc). AlasdairW (talk) 21:51, 20 September 2017 (UTC)
Let's remember that unless we're fine with having laundry lists of attractions, if the main Roman Empire article is splitted up, we also need to add more content to each of those subarticles. ϒpsilon (talk) 16:45, 23 September 2017 (UTC)
  • Comment. I really look forward for a solution to the "99 problems" and the completion of this article - it's very incomplete yet (p. ex. Skopje and Sevastopol both deserve to be mentioned), as I stopped adding to it when this bug got evident. For the record, I don't like very much the idea of splitting up the article, as it has already been very useful to me for reference purposes, both on planning stages for trips, and on the field itself. Having said that, I can very clearly see Pashley's point stated above, and don't want to suggest any hint of being "jealous" or "possessive" about what is written in the article. To be brief: Not yet. Ibaman (talk) 15:49, 4 October 2017 (UTC)

Along the Magnificent Mile[edit]

Place: Along the Magnificient Mile
Blurb: Let us take you on a tour through the heart of Chicago! (should not exceed ~145 characters)
Article status: Star (must be guide or above).
Time to feature: Apr-Oct (from Bronzeville's nomination above)
Nominated by: ϒpsilon (talk) 18:32, 1 October 2017 (UTC)
Comment: This one and Loop Art Tour are Star itineraries in Chicago. Yes, I know Bronzeville was nominated for next summer, and I wouldn't go Batman on drugs if the community would decide to run that one next summer and this one sometime later (or decide that this one and/or Loop art tour are too personal to be featured). But consider that 1. it's usually a bit harder finding good FTT candidates than other types of featured articles, 2. while the last Star articles we've featured have been topics, in the past they've virtually all been destination articles, 3. it was mentioned in Downtown Shanghai's nomination above that next summer is quite heavy on European and North American destinations (as usual, and everyone knows the reason), so this would free up one OtBP slot for e.g. Apia while we would still give Chicago a month on the Main Page. For the article itself, there are probably just a couple of prices that need to be updated (to 2018 prices, just before the article goes live).

John Hancock Building 2.jpg

  • Support --ϒpsilon (talk) 18:32, 1 October 2017 (UTC)
  • Support. One question: With the exception of illumination and perhaps drinks at night, couldn't the itinerary be done in reverse? Should that be noted in the article? Ikan Kekek (talk) 20:15, 1 October 2017 (UTC)
  • Support, though if we're going to take a candidate that by next summer will have waited over a year to be featured and make it wait two more years in favor of a different nominee from the same city that's not of significantly higher quality, I'd prefer it to be for more compelling reasons than the above. Especially since we do still have an open OtBP slot next summer for the likes of Apia. -- AndreCarrotflower (talk) 22:46, 2 October 2017 (UTC)
OK, so then it's probably best to impound this one in the Slush pile like we did with London Hampstead once. ϒpsilon (talk) 10:16, 3 October 2017 (UTC)


Place: Hostels
Blurb: If you travel on a shoestring, hostels are a good choice for getting a roof over your head; and as a bonus you get to know fellow travellers! (should not exceed ~145 characters)
Article status: Guide (must be guide or above).
Time to feature: Anytime
Nominated by: ϒpsilon (talk) 21:13, 13 October 2017 (UTC)
Comment: I think we need some more FTT candidates, so per the discussion at Talk:Hostels I just promoted this one to Guide. The article looks OK to me, and as always, if there's something to add, please do so.

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  • Support --ϒpsilon (talk) 21:13, 13 October 2017 (UTC)
  • My trip to Quebec in 2012 (wow, was it really five years ago?) was the first one I ever took where I stayed mostly in hostels as opposed to full-fledged hotels. I knew a bed in a hostel was way less expensive than a hotel room and that hostels were geared toward solo travellers with minimal need for luxurious amenities, like myself, but otherwise I only had a vague idea what I was in for. It was a more positive than negative experience for me, I think, but in skimming this article, time and time again I kept thinking I wished I had read something like this beforehand to prepare myself. On that basis, I'm going to support this nominee pretty enthusiastically. -- AndreCarrotflower (talk) 00:45, 14 October 2017 (UTC)
  • Support I often stay at hostels, and I don't see any major omissions. I like having the cooking facilities, and the chance to meet other travellers. I find that there can be quite a difference in character between a small remote rural hostel and a large city one (or even a small hostel in a major city), and maybe this difference could be explained. AlasdairW (talk) 20:28, 17 October 2017 (UTC)
  • Support I didn't see any obvious spelling or grammar mistakes, so there wouldn't be too much work needed. The article is informative, has a good number of pictures, and I think will benefit the traveler DethDestroyerOfWords (talk) 20:19, 19 October 2017 (UTC)
  • Support. I think this is an important topic, and I can't think of any essential information that's missing. And I'd be excited to see an article that I've worked hard on be featured on the main page. —Granger (talk · contribs) 20:48, 21 October 2017 (UTC)