Wikivoyage:Destination of the month candidates

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Here we determine which articles are featured on the Main Page as Destination of the month (DotM), Off the Beaten Path (OtBP) and Featured travel topics (FTT).


You can nominate any article you would like to see featured. Any destination, region, itinerary or event that passes the "What is an article?" test is eligible for nomination.

However, before nominating, please check that the article follows these basic guidelines:

Well-known and/or popular destinations should be nominated as Destination of the Month, while more obscure destinations should be nominated for Off the Beaten Path. Travel topics, phrasebooks, itineraries and other articles should be nominated for Featured Travel Topic. Where applicable, you should propose a good time to visit the destination as a month to be featured.

The basic format of a nomination is as follows:

| place=Destination
| blurb='''[[Destination]]''' is a place of contrasts, and as such it...
| status=Guide
| time=March-June
| nominatedBy=~~~~
| comment=Great article and it's just luvvly-jubbly in the springtime.
| DotMImage=[[File:Destinationimage.jpg|thumb|300px]]

Add a nomination to the end of the appropriate section.


You can comment on any nomination based on timeliness and adherence to the criteria above, just add a bullet point (*) and your signed opinion.

Great article and it's just luvvly-jubbly in the springtime. TravelNut 25:25, 31 Feb 2525 (EDT)
* Looks nice, but shouldn't the Do section contain more than just quilting contests? ~~~~

Please note that the following are not considered valid reasons to oppose a nomination:

  • "I don't like it." All objections have to be based on the guidelines above: poor formatting, missing information, etc. Personal opinions, dislikes, etc. do not count.
  • "Wrong time of year." Articles are supported or opposed based on their content. Timing can be worked out later.
  • "Wrong type of place." Articles are supported or opposed based on their content. Whether it's DotM or OtBP can be worked out later.


If an article gets several comments in favor and none against for a week or so, it's eligible to be placed in an appropriate time-slot in the Upcoming queue. If the objections are relatively minor and are being worked on, add them to the Upcoming queue tentatively (add a question mark "?" after the article). Feel free to move the queue around or swap articles if it makes sense. If a nomination clearly does not make the grade and if the objections are not easily fixable, they go into the Slush pile

Once a nomination has been scheduled, an appropriate banner image and text blurb must be selected. Go to Wikivoyage:Destination of the month candidates/Banners to start that discussion.


Discussions for previously selected destinations are kept in the Archive.



The following queue should contain about six months' worth of upcoming destinations. Note that new DotMs are rotated in on the 1st of each month, OtBPs on the 11th and travel topics on the 21st.

Month DotM OtBP FTT
March 2018 Valencia Brownsville (Texas) Hostels
April 2018 Uppsala Poros - pending fixes and stronger consensus to support Military museums and sites in Australia
May 2018 Downtown Shanghai - pending fixes and stronger consensus to support Erlangen - pending fixes and stronger consensus to support Ottoman Empire
June 2018 Boston Piton de la Fournaise - pending fixes Advice for nervous flyers
July 2018 Wales Höfn Underground Railroad - pending fixes and stronger consensus to support
August 2018 North Vancouver - pending stronger consensus to support Goroka Inca Trail

These are not cast in stone, and the order can be changed if, for example, an excellent guide for a timely event is found. Whenever a guide becomes a current feature, it should be removed from the list, the discussion archived, and (when changing out Featured Travel Topics) a new month added to the end of the queue. Alternatives are OK; the whole point is to enable some discussion as needed.

Next change[edit]

Decisions regarding which images to use as the banners are made here.

The section below provides an opportunity to see what the upcoming featured articles will look like on the Main Page using the banners that are currently most popular on the above page.

Destination of the month[edit]


A Viking Age shrine which became the seat of the Church of Sweden and home of the first university in the Nordic countries.

Off the Beaten Path[edit]


Greece in a nutshell: delicious food, beaches and archaeological sites galore, and an environment of serenity and relaxation that's becoming harder and harder to find in this increasingly touristy region.

Featured Travel Topic[edit]


If you travel on a shoestring, hostels are a good choice for getting a roof over your head — and as a bonus, you can get to know fellow travellers!


On the date of the scheduled change, the DotM, OtBP, or FTT should be changed as close to midnight UTC as possible. When the featured page is changed, please follow the following procedures to do so and archive content to the appropriate pages. At each stage, please double-check that you are correctly moving content.

  1. Update the featured articles on the main page by replacing the current 'banner' template section with those of the appropriate banner for the new DotM/OtBP/FTT found in the Next change section above.
  2. Update the Photo credits page with the banner's original image, title and attribution.
  3. Add the former featured article to the appropriate archive page: Previous Destinations of the month, Previously Off the beaten path, or Previous Featured travel topics.
  4. Remove Template:Featurenomination from newly featured article.
  5. For the former featured article, add the appropriate parameter to the pagebanner template (directly after the image filename) to label the page as having been featured previously.
    • For former DotMs, add: dotm=yes
    • For former OtBPs, add: otbp=yes
    • For former FTTs, add: ftt=yes
  6. Archive the newly featured article's nomination. Simply cut-and-paste the nomination section of the newly featured article from this page to Wikivoyage:Destination of the Month candidates/Archive.
  7. Update the Next change section above by adding the banner from the discussion page. View the table in the Schedule section above to determine what next month's change will be, then update the image and blurb in the "Next change" section with that found in the upcoming featured article's nomination.
  8. Archive the newly featured article's banner by cutting-and-pasting all banner suggestions and the associated discussion into Wikivoyage:Destination of the month candidates/Banners/Archive.

Nominations for Destination of the Month[edit]


Place: Boston
Blurb: John Winthrop's "shining city on a hill" is among the most historic in the U.S., packed with sites from Colonial and Revolutionary days. But it's also a vibrant 21st-century metropolis, with a culture of college-town progressivism rather than the Puritan stodginess of years past. (should not exceed ~145 characters)
Article status: Guide (must be guide or above).
Time to feature: Apr-Oct
Nominated by: AndreCarrotflower (talk) 22:06, 2 March 2017 (UTC)
Comment: By now, ButteBag is probably sick of hearing me congratulate him about the fine work he's done on the Boston district articles, so I hope he'll indulge me one last time as I repeat that his work is rapidly elevating Boston to the same elite tier as Chicago, Washington, D.C., and San Francisco when it comes to superlative Wikivoyage coverage. There was recently a discussion regarding featuring Boston/Jamaica Plain-Mission Hill as DotM or OtBP wherein I suggested we "hold out and feature Boston itself rather than one of its districts", and now that all the district articles have attained at least Usable status, I've decided to go ahead and put this nomination up for consideration. I'm pretty sure ButteBag's response is going to be that he's not satisfied with the state of some of the district articles - I think I heard him mention that before - but given the fact that they all continue to develop at an admirable pace, and Boston won't be featured on the Main Page until next year at the earliest anyway, that leaves ample time for him to get them up to snuff.

USA Old State House 1 MA.jpg

  • Support as nominator. -- AndreCarrotflower (talk) 22:06, 2 March 2017 (UTC)
  • Support I am also very handsome and intelligent. (And trying to keep this updated going forward, thanks AndreCarrotflower!) --ButteBag (talk) 22:14, 2 March 2017 (UTC)
  • Conditional support User:ButteBag has really done superb work here, but as he (assuming he, please correct if wrong) has pointed out, there are some things that could still be improved. In the main article this mostly seems to be the history and the public transit sections, which do contain some old content as per (though history does not become outdated all that fast). All in all, I think we'll have a fine article by the time this goes live some time from now Hobbitschuster (talk) 23:48, 2 March 2017 (UTC)
  • Support without even skipping through the article tonight. I have confidence in ButteBag. Ikan Kekek (talk) 05:20, 3 May 2017 (UTC)
  • Support since the article itself looks ready on quick perusal & there will be time for district improvements.
I wonder, though, if the nomination should be broadened to Greater Boston since that would include Cambridge (Massachusetts) which for me is the main place to go in the area, mostly for the MIT bookstore & the pubs. Or perhaps Cambridge might be another nomination? Pashley (talk) 16:44, 9 July 2017 (UTC)
Late reply: The Greater Boston article is an Outline. However, the Cambridge (Massachusetts) article is a Guide with plenty of content, and therefore very much a potential DotM at some future point. Ikan Kekek (talk) 08:14, 20 February 2018 (UTC)


Place: Wales
Blurb: Witness a living Celtic culture in a land of wet, green landscapes, historic castles, and spectacular mountains and coasts. (should not exceed ~145 characters)
Article status: Guide (must be guide or above).
Time to feature: May-Sep
Nominated by: Traveler100 (talk) 21:34, 25 May 2017 (UTC)
Comment: Time to feature a country.

Snowdon from Llyn Nantlle Uchaf (cropped).jpg

  • Not yet. Everything up through "Talk" is great, but after that point - especially in "See" and "Do" - things get too list-y for a country article. The bullet points in "See", "Eat", "Drink", and (especially) "Do" should be converted to prose, with listings migrated to articles further down the breadcrumb hierarchy where necessary. The blurbs in "Go next" also could stand to be expanded. -- AndreCarrotflower (talk) 14:28, 27 May 2017 (UTC)
  • Should the events list stay as bullet points? Any suggestions on how to structure this and the Eat section? --Traveler100 (talk) 07:12, 31 May 2017 (UTC)
  • Support. It looks like the lists have mostly been converted to prose. Seems like a solid article to me. —Granger (talk · contribs) 13:50, 21 February 2018 (UTC)
  • I see Traveler100 directed a question to me almost a year ago that I've yet to answer; sorry about that. The event listings should be moved to their respective bottom-level destinations if they're not there already, and Wales#Events should be an overview in prose of the most important ones. As for the "Eat" section, it looks okay to me, though again, I personally have a mild preference for sentences and paragraphs in favor of bullet-point lists. At this point I'm very close to being able to change my vote to Support. -- AndreCarrotflower (talk) 21:02, 21 February 2018 (UTC)
  • Almost. it is a good article, and it would be good to feature a nation. However I think that there are a few points that could be looked at:
    • Only 3 cities are listed, but there are 6 cities in Wales. I think that we should add an introductory sentence: "There are six cities in Wales, including St Asaph, Newport, St Davids and:"
    • Talk is only about Welsh. Are there no phrases, words etc in English that are worth mentioning?
    • The list of events would be improved if the month or approximate date was added to most of the listings. This means that those planning a trip only look into events that might be on when they are there. AlasdairW (talk) 23:31, 21 February 2018 (UTC)
Again, there should actually be no event listings at all. See my comment above. -- AndreCarrotflower (talk) 23:37, 21 February 2018 (UTC)
I am not too bothered about whether the events are a (shorter) list or an "overview in prose", but when needs to be mentioned. The details belong in the city articles. AlasdairW (talk) 00:16, 22 February 2018 (UTC)
I have restructured the section and updated the details on the city articles. --Traveler100 (talk) 11:53, 24 February 2018 (UTC)
Thanks for the edits. I now support it. AlasdairW (talk) 22:39, 26 February 2018 (UTC)
I also am changing my vote to support. Good work, Traveler100. -- AndreCarrotflower (talk) 00:35, 27 February 2018 (UTC)
Shall we also assume that Traveler100 himself votes "Support"? If so, that's four stamps of approval and we can remove the "pending stronger consensus" caveat from the schedule grid. -- AndreCarrotflower (talk) 00:36, 27 February 2018 (UTC)
To my understanding nominating an article means supporting it unless you've specifically indicated otherwise. ϒpsilon (talk) 05:59, 27 February 2018 (UTC)
  • Support Apparently I haven't voted on this one yet, but it looks good. If all the articles below it in the hierarchy also have a sufficient status I'd say it's ready. --ϒpsilon (talk) 05:59, 27 February 2018 (UTC)

North Vancouver[edit]

Place: North Vancouver
Blurb: This is two cities north of downtown Vancouver. With nice beaches like Panorama Park or Cates Park. Great hiking in the North shore mountains. Or you could just relax and enjoy the view or the skiing. (should not exceed ~145 characters)
Article status: Guide (must be guide or above).
Time to feature: Dec-Sept
Nominated by: Dowling002 (talk) 07:16, 18 June 2017 (UTC)
Comment: It has been almost a year since a Canadian city has been nominated and ten years since a city in BC has been nominated. So why not one of the beautiful cities in Canada.

  • There was discussion about this guide for DotM at Wikivoyage talk:Destination of the month candidates#Vancouver district articles for Dotm? I'd be happy to support, as the article looks good and I understand from the linked discussion that Shaundd will continue to edit and update the article before it's featured (probably in 2019). Ikan Kekek (talk) 07:34, 18 June 2017 (UTC)
  • Support, but is this truly a DotM or would it perhaps work better as an OtBP? -- AndreCarrotflower (talk) 17:29, 18 June 2017 (UTC)
  • Very close — A couple of listings lack coordinates and there are some things in Do that should be expended a bit (Festivals etc.), also it would be nice with a few photos in the latter half of the article but this can be fixed fairly quickly, I think. ϒpsilon (talk) 18:45, 18 June 2017 (UTC)
  • Support -- I still need to refresh/expand a number of sections, and some things will need to be rewritten before featuring as Seabus service is expected to improve and a couple of attractions are moving and being expanded within the next 2-3 years, but I'll make sure that's done as it happens. With respect to DotM/OtBP, I'd say DotM is a better fit because people visit it as part of a trip to a DotM destination (Vancouver), but I'm not fussed either way. Note - I changed the featuring time to Dec-Sept. The fall, particularly Nov, isn't a great time to visit. It's between summer and snow season and the weather is usually awful (rain and more rain). I was also thinking a catchier blurb could be, Take in the views, or hit the trails, slopes or water, in Vancouver's mountain playground. Feel free to ignore/edit as fit. -Shaundd (talk) 01:32, 19 June 2017 (UTC)
Shaundd - There's no doubt that Vancouver itself is DotM rather than OtBP (in fact, it was DotM in June 2005, before we started running OtBPs, but if we were to rerun it today it would clearly be the former and not the latter). However, when talking about how to categorize a Huge City district article, the comparison to make is with other districts of the same city. Take Toronto for instance: Canada's own Great White Way, Yonge-Dundas, would clearly be DotM, while the spread-out and suburblike Etobicoke would be OtBP. I have no familiarity with Vancouver, but you obviously do. So, imagine you're a first-time visitor with a workable but limited amount of time to spend there, and think about which districts you'd spend the most time in, and you'll be a long way toward an answer. -- AndreCarrotflower (talk) 20:41, 19 June 2017 (UTC)
Ah OK, thanks for clarifying. On that basis, I'd still lean towards DotM, although it depends on how far you take "limited amount of time". If you only have one day in Vancouver, you're probably not going to spend it in North Vancouver (most people would probably cover two or three of the City Center, West End/Stanley Park, Granville Island and Gastown). After that though, it's fair game for day two or three, I'd say. Two attractions often appear on top XX list of things to see in Vancouver (Grouse Mountain and the Capilano Suspension Bridge) and the Grouse Grind is considered one of the busiest hikes in Metro Vancouver (and it gets tourist traffic too). It's also really easy to get to from the city center -- you just hop on the Seabus and take a 12 minute ferry ride (which plenty of tourists do) -- and the City of North Van is adding a number of attractions that are within a 5 min walk from the Seabus station. I'm not fussed either way, but I'd say many travellers who spend at least three days in Vancouver probably spend some time in North Vancouver. And for what page view stats are worth, North Vancouver is (on a monthly average) second in page views to the City Center. -Shaundd (talk) 02:23, 20 June 2017 (UTC)
Definitely a gray area, but based on what you said, I would also lean toward DotM. -- AndreCarrotflower (talk) 03:43, 20 June 2017 (UTC)
  • Support - Looks good to me, and I trust Shaundd and others to edit anything that needs editing. Maybe the exact positions of the start and end of the hiking and mountain biking trails listed in "Do" should be clearly indicated, but otherwise, everything appears to have coordinates. The one thing I noticed that seems weird to me is: Why are the fees for the water slide at the Fun City Festival listed in US dollars and not Canadian dollars? Ikan Kekek (talk) 08:53, 20 February 2018 (UTC)


Place: Berlin
Blurb: Germany's capital was at the heart of the Cold War and still bears the scars of wars and partition, but it is quickly reclaiming its place as one of Europe's - if not the world's - top cities. A vibrant cultural scene and surprisingly affordable prices make this "poor but sexy" city a draw for visitors and residents from all over the globe (again, I am not too happy with my blurbing skills) (should not exceed ~145 characters)
Article status: Usable, but imho only because nobody has promoted it to Guide yet; all districts are usable or guide, so that's not what's keeping it Guide (must be guide or above).
Time to feature: any - Berlin weather is terrible year round (though Spaniards falling in love with Berlin summer on holiday only to be miserable during their winter-Erasmus are surprisingly common) and there is really something to do all year (which might explain why Hertha BSC has trouble attracting fans)
Nominated by: Hobbitschuster (talk) 17:45, 26 July 2017 (UTC)
Comment: I know we have more than enough German language places "in the pipeline", but I just wanted to get this nominated there's no rush to get this actually featured; it can well languish here if some considerations make this necessary, but in case we have to slush something on short notice, I want this to be ready

Bikinihaus Berlin-1210760.jpg
  • Comment - this is currently rated at usable, simply because I did not unilaterally want to promote it to guide. I think it is quite ready, but a bit of copy-editing might still be necessary. At any rate, we can safely hold this one in reserve (we have a lot of Central European places and topics as is imho) until we need an emergency replacement Hobbitschuster (talk) 17:47, 26 July 2017 (UTC)
  • Almost some sections are listy, and then there are listings in See and Do that should be moved to the district articles. As such, I'd say there is enough information in the article so that the average visitor wouldn't have to consult another travel guide. Therefore, it can probably be upgraded to guide status. --ϒpsilon (talk) 19:03, 26 July 2017 (UTC)
  • Close, the main problem being the issue Ypsi brought up about "See" and "Do" listings that need to be devolved to district articles (there also seem to be some "Do" listings that violate our tour policy and should thus be deleted outright). Also, though it's not usual practice to do so, I wonder if there's anything that can be done about the exhaustive list of embassies and consulates in "Cope". If not, no big deal - Berlin is a national capital, after all - but it seems pretty Yellow Page-y. -- AndreCarrotflower (talk) 22:51, 30 July 2017 (UTC)
  • Another thing: The article currently has no routebox whatsoever. How important should the existence and completeness of a routebox be for featuring? Hobbitschuster (talk) 15:34, 2 August 2017 (UTC)


Place: Uppsala
Blurb: Once a Viking Age shrine, Sweden's fourth-largest city is the seat of the Church of Sweden and the country's oldest university, where taxonomic biology and the Celsius temperature scale were developed. (should not exceed ~145 characters)
Article status: Guide (must be guide or above).
Time to feature: April (see below); weather is great at summer, but being a campus city, it is deserted
Nominated by: /Yvwv (talk) 21:14, 13 August 2017 (UTC)
Comment: Usually in the shade of Stockholm, though an older city, more walkable, and closer to Stockholm-Arlanda Airport than Stockholm itself. The article has improved a lot this year. A good timing would be April 2018, with university application deadline on April 15, and the Walpurgis celebration on April 30. Other Nordic destinations have their high season during winter or summer.

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  • Good timing for this nominee, as it's time (already!) to start thinking about DotMs and OtBPs for next spring. It's very close to being ready - about a quarter to a third of the listings lack geo coordinates, and that's the only deficiency I could spot. -- AndreCarrotflower (talk) 23:08, 13 August 2017 (UTC)
  • Support, some coordinates are missing but that's really about it. I can add them at some point before the article is featured (thereby google maps also lets me know if some places have closed), if nobody else has done it by then. ϒpsilon (talk) 14:22, 15 August 2017 (UTC)
  • Upgrading my vote to support; looks like the issues I cited above have been attended to. -- AndreCarrotflower (talk) 03:13, 25 September 2017 (UTC)
  • Support, looks like a solid article. —Granger (talk · contribs) 12:17, 22 October 2017 (UTC)
  • Uppsala is due up on the Main Page in a month, and we need a fourth "Support" vote. Anyone? -- AndreCarrotflower (talk) 23:40, 28 February 2018 (UTC)
  • Support very thorough and worthy of the main page. Gizza (roam) 23:42, 28 February 2018 (UTC)
  • I am very glad to see that Uppsala is deemed worthy of being a DotM! If you have any additional feedback on the article I would be happy to try to improve it before it hits the main page. MartinJacobson (talk) 20:11, 3 March 2018 (UTC)


Place: Colonia
Blurb: On the shore just opposite Buenos Aires is a picturesque historic town, full of cobblestone streets lined with colonial architecture. (should not exceed ~145 characters)
Article status: Guide (must be guide or above).
Time to feature: Probably September–April
Nominated by: —Granger (talk · contribs) 23:17, 1 September 2017 (UTC)
Comment: As discussed (briefly) at Talk:Colonia. It's a much smaller destination than our typical DotM, but I think its popularity within the region and position on the "Gringo Trail" probably make it better suited for this than for OtBP. (This is my first time nominating something for the main page—I hope I'm doing it right!)

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  • Support as nominator. I've been in Colonia for several weeks now and have expanded and updated the article quite a bit. I'll still be here until mid-November if there are any concerns that require someone "on the ground" to address. —Granger (talk · contribs) 23:17, 1 September 2017 (UTC)
  • Support - Dunno if anything needs to be added, but if you stuble upon some nice shop, restaurant or bar, do let future visitors know about it. As a top destination in a country that's somewhat off the beaten path, Colonia is an article that I think can work both as DotM and OtBP. --ϒpsilon (talk) 16:03, 6 September 2017 (UTC)
  • Support. I'm leaning toward DotM rather than OtBP as the category, and toward November 2018 as the time to feature - we could run it sooner, but November is probably the hardest month of the year to schedule for, and if we have a suitable candidate now I'd just as soon save the headache. -- AndreCarrotflower (talk) 01:43, 25 September 2017 (UTC)
  • Support - It seems like this article is an easy feature: no glaringly obvious grammar or spelling problems, lots of content, plenty of good pictures, easy and fun to read. The only nit-pick I have is that the banner looks a bit dreary. I don't think that's any reason to not feature it, however. DethDestroyerOfWords (talk) 15:40, 10 November 2017 (UTC)

Downtown Shanghai[edit]

Place: Downtown Shanghai
Blurb: Otherwise known as "Puxi", the historic core of China's largest and most modern city has an international flavor thanks to the colonialist "concession" system of the 19th and early 20th Centuries. (should not exceed ~145 characters)
Article status: Guide (must be guide or above).
Time to feature: Apr-Oct; midsummer somewhat less desirable due to heat and humidity
Nominated by: AndreCarrotflower (talk) 01:47, 25 September 2017 (UTC)
Comment: While Pashley's efforts at improving this article in view of a featured article nomination are apparently still ongoing, it's already at Guide level - and on the draft schedule grid that I keep on my laptop at home, there's a nice empty slot in the DotM column in May 2018, between Uppsala and Boston. As next summer looks to be another Europe- and North America-centric one on our Main Page, it'd sure be nice to have an Asian destination in the mix as a geographical counterpoint.

Crowded Bund on summer evening.jpg
  • Provisional support. There are several areas that need attention but again, this article is a work in progress, and I trust that Pashley will have things well in hand by next May. -- AndreCarrotflower (talk) 01:47, 25 September 2017 (UTC)
  • Support, but while I may have done most of the work so far, others have contributed already & I'd encourage more to jump in. There is still a fair bit to do. Pashley (talk) 02:24, 25 September 2017 (UTC)
Also, someone other than me should take a look at overall structure, determine whether some text needs to move between articles. Shanghai is pretty much unworkable as a city article, population 23 million last I heard, 17 official districts & more like 20 articles here since we treat Shanghai/Old City Shanghai/Nanhui & Shanghai/Zhujiajiao separately. I created this article mainly by moving text from there & may not have got it quite right. Pashley (talk) 01:40, 22 February 2018 (UTC)
  • Almost per the article's talk page. --ϒpsilon (talk) 17:54, 25 September 2017 (UTC)


Place: Denver
Blurb: Don't be fooled by discounted hotel rooms and the relative lack of tourist crowds: the Mile High City in winter makes a great homebase for skiers and snowboarders hitting the slopes of the Front Range. (should not exceed ~145 characters)
Article status: Guide (must be guide or above).
Time to feature: Anytime except spring, but winter 2018-2019 would be an interesting time (and, given the looks of the upcoming year or so on the schedule, probably the earliest it could be featured)
Nominated by: AndreCarrotflower (talk) 20:40, 28 September 2017 (UTC)
Comment: In the Northern Hemisphere winter, it's always nice for a change to run an article where cold weather during the "Time to feature" is a pro rather than a con. Let's carve out a space for a destination that's neither tropical nor Antipodean!

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  • Close. Though there are numerous issues with this article, they're all pretty easy fixes: some sections need to have their listings alphabetized, "Drink" has some naked bullet-point listings that need to be filled out ("Breweries" and "Music venues" subsections) or that lack geo coordinates (both of the foregoing subsections plus "Coffee" and "Nightclubs"); live music venues belong in "Do" rather than "Drink"; the information on altitude sickness is largely redundant to what's already written in the travel topic article on the subject and can be excised; some of the tours listed in "Do" look like they might not be value-added; "Go next" needs to be redone. Still, this doesn't constitute as much work as it might look like, and we have north of a year in which to do it. -- AndreCarrotflower (talk) 20:40, 28 September 2017 (UTC)
  • Comment given that it is listed on our United States without a car guide, we might wish to expand and update those sections a bit. Hobbitschuster (talk) 20:11, 1 October 2017 (UTC)
  • Almost support No big issues with this article. Some coordinates are missing here and there and there are long stretches without any photos and like Andre I also noticed there's a section dedicated to tours, some of which may not comply with our tour guidelines. And, as always, a while before the artilce goes on the main page we need to check if everything is still in business, prices are still correct, links still work etc. ϒpsilon (talk) 18:53, 11 October 2017 (UTC)


Place: Sarajevo
Blurb: Surrounded by mountains on three sides, in this meeting point of east and west a range of sights present the city's dramatic and interesting history. (should not exceed ~145 characters)
Article status: Guide (must be guide or above).
Time to feature: May-Sep
Nominated by: ϒpsilon (talk) 17:58, 1 October 2017 (UTC)
Comment: We've never featured any article from anywhere in the Balkans, so let's amend that now! The article has been extensively edited as of lately, so we don't need to run everything through Google to check if it's up to date like we usually have to. I don't see any major problems with the article, but it does have a ton of See listings. Discussion is underway for what to do with them (see numerous threads on Talk:Sarajevo), but there is almost a year until the article will appear on the Main Page anyway, so there is plenty of time to make decisions and take action. When that is resolved, I'll upgrade my vote to full support. Good that we this time we have several people around who know the destination.

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  • Conditional support per comment. ϒpsilon (talk) 17:58, 1 October 2017 (UTC)
  • I would say districtification would probably be necessary before it gets promoted to Star, but for purposes of DotM I think the status quo works fine. There are no other problems with the article either, so I gladly vote support and send out my congratulations to User:Loaoa for his/her impressive contributions. -- AndreCarrotflower (talk) 22:41, 2 October 2017 (UTC)
  • Support. I agree that districtification isn't needed for dotm right now, though if the article gets too much longer it might be worth considering. —Granger (talk · contribs) 01:00, 12 October 2017 (UTC)
  • Support. Article is very readable, and although there are many See items, they are properly sectioned so I don't think that districtification would provide an added value here. Article looks very complete, why isn't this a Star yet? ArticCynda (talk) 16:57, 20 January 2018 (UTC)
Because the Star nominations page is in practice dead since the last couple of years.ϒpsilon (talk) 17:11, 20 January 2018 (UTC)
But feel free to nominate it if you think that's warranted. Ikan Kekek (talk) 02:39, 21 January 2018 (UTC)
So does that mean we're not nominating Stars anymore? And if so, why is that? ArticCynda (talk) 20:51, 2 February 2018 (UTC)
We are working to increase the number of active Wikivoyage editors. In the interim, however, it has sometimes proven difficult to sustain consistent participation in certain features of the site. -- AndreCarrotflower (talk) 20:54, 2 February 2018 (UTC)


Place: Venice
Blurb: Venice was once an independent merchant republic and the cradle of the Italian Renaissance. Still today, canal boats are the main means of transportation. (should not exceed ~145 characters)
Article status: Guide (must be guide or above).
Time to feature: Spring or autumn
Nominated by: Yvwv (talk) 21:01, 4 November 2017 (UTC)
Comment: Surprised to see that this classical destination has yet to be featured or nominated. The article has improved a lot during last weeks.

Venezia-punta della dogana.jpg

  • Not yet. There are the bones of a good article here, but there are also a lot of issues that need to be addressed before Venice is ready for prime time:
  • The "By boat" and "Porters" subsections of "Get in", and the "By water taxi" subsection of "Get around", need to be at least converted into bullet-point lists, if not listingified. All those price quotes (how old are those, by the way?) and phone numbers are ugly when presented as a big block of prose.
  • There are quite a few listings that lack geo coordinates and/or need descriptions.
  • The list of churches in "See" is too long, as are most of the "Sleep" subsections. Pick the best and ditch the rest.
  • Some of the material in "Do" is questionable, for instance there are a few apparently non-value-added tours (Il Burchiello, Secret Itineraries in Doge's Palace).
  • In the "Buy" section, for such a major tourist city as Venice, I totally understand the urge to avoid listing every shop that might be of interest to our readers, but in that case the article should present generalized information of where you can find shopping areas, any types of specialty items that are unique to the area or for which you can find unusually good bargains, etc. without any listings at all. But having five listings of apparently randomly-selected shops looks too much like unreverted touting for my tastes. (Also, why is one of them an "Eat" listing?)
  • "Eat", "Sleep", and "Drink" need to be alphabetized.
  • The whole article needs to be copyedited by someone who speaks English natively.
-- AndreCarrotflower (talk) 22:45, 4 November 2017 (UTC)
  • Not yet — this article does need quite a bit of streamlining and pruning, and listings need coords and expansion and perhaps a couple more photos, though the article is much less of a mess than I remembered. --ϒpsilon (talk) 10:16, 5 November 2017 (UTC)
  • The article is quickly developing thanks to User:Xsobev et al. I guess it can make autumn 2018. /Yvwv (talk) 14:18, 6 November 2017 (UTC)


Place: Gyeongju
Blurb: Centuries of Korean history await you in the capital of the ancient Silla Kingdom, nowadays also famous for its pastries. (should not exceed ~145 characters)
Article status: Guide (must be guide or above).
Time to feature: "Late fall is the best time to visit..."
Nominated by: ϒpsilon (talk) 21:03, 16 December 2017 (UTC)
Comment: As you can see on the article's talk page it wasn't exactly yesterday I and some others were looking at Gyeongju as a potential DotM candidate, and here it now finally is. We have had South Korean destinations on the main page before as OtBPs (the last time in 2011), but never as DotM, let's change that!

2010 Anapji Pond.JPG
  • Support --ϒpsilon (talk) 21:03, 16 December 2017 (UTC)
  • Almost – some listings need coordinates, but other than that it looks good to me. —Granger (talk · contribs) 13:03, 4 January 2018 (UTC)
  • In addition to what Granger said, "Go next" needs an overhaul - the first half of the section consists of individual listings that don't belong in "Go next" (briefly perusing them, it looks like either Gyeongju#See or Pohang#See might be better places for them), and the second half mentions Daegu and Busan but doesn't say why they're of interest to visitors, and contains extraneous information about transportation from Gyeongju that, again, doesn't belong in "Go next". Despite that, I feel I can provisionally support this article as there is still plenty of time until autumn 2018 in which to address these minor issues, though we should maybe also keep an eye on the political situation on the Korean Peninsula (recent calls by some in the U.S. government for families of military personnel to be evacuated from South Korea due to the threat of war strike me as overreactions, and prospects for diplomacy seem to be better than they have in months if not years, but a year is a long time when it comes to this). -- AndreCarrotflower (talk) 17:14, 19 January 2018 (UTC)


Place: Yaoundé
Blurb: While not a tourist hotspot, in the Cameroonian capital you can find lively markets and interesting architecture, and the city is an important business destination. (should not exceed ~145 characters)
Article status: Guide (must be guide or above).
Time to feature: Dec-Mar (dry season)
Nominated by: ϒpsilon (talk) 19:47, 11 March 2018 (UTC)
Comment: Ticking one more of the never before featured regions off the list — Central Africa (and we haven't had an African DotM in a while!). Yaoundé has extensive articles in German and French so I've translated those and then used Google to get stamp out closed businesses and other outdated info. I recently asked a docent to Yaounde (retired, won't ping them again) and he/she had a quick look at the article and said there's nothing important missing. So... what do you say? Do we have a suitable winter article right here?

Musée National du Cameroun 01.JPG
  • Support as nominator, I guess. ϒpsilon (talk) 19:47, 11 March 2018 (UTC)

Nominations for Off the Beaten Path[edit]


Place: Chicago/Bronzeville
Blurb: African-American history abounds in the "Black Metropolis", where Gwendolyn Brooks published poetry in the Chicago Defender, Andrew Rube Foster created Negro League baseball, and Louis Armstrong kept his trumpet singing at the Sunset Cafe to keep Al Capone off his back. (should not exceed ~145 characters)
Article status: Star (must be guide or above).
Time to feature: Apr-Oct
Nominated by: AndreCarrotflower (talk) 16:05, 9 April 2017 (UTC)
Comment: Believe it or not, it's time to start thinking about feature articles for 2018. It's been a while since Chicago has graced our Main Page - the most recent feature was Far Northwest Side, which was OtBP way back in 2015. Here's a Star district article that I've had my eye on for a while now.

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  • Support as nominator. Looks like the most recent substantive edits were in 2013, but it should be a simple matter to confirm the continued existence, opening hours, phone numbers, URLs, etc. of the listed POIs. Aside from that, there's a nice static map that actually appears up to date, containing most or all of the numerous listings, and - of course, this being a Star article, not to mention a Chicago district - the prose is skillfully and engagingly written. -- AndreCarrotflower (talk) 16:05, 9 April 2017 (UTC)
  • Support - Hell yes! I've read through this article before. It's a Star, with all kinds of good information. Like you, I trust that it would be acceptably updated before a feature. Given recent troubles with crime in some black neighborhoods of Chicago, it would be important to add a "Stay safe" section that addresses whether or to what extent Bronzeville has or has not suffered from this (I simply don't know enough about Chicago to know which neighborhoods have been affected). Ikan Kekek (talk) 19:59, 9 April 2017 (UTC)
  • As always, listings need to be checked and coordinates would also be useful, nevertheless this is a nice article and I can support it when the aforementioned issues are fixed (no point in updating them right today as it's a full year before we'll see it on the main page). Tangentially we have two Star itineraries in Chicago, Loop Art Tour and Along the Magnificent Mile. I brought them up two years ago and asked if it's OK to feature personal itineraries and consensus was that we should not. However, are these two itineraries "too personal" to be featured as FTT? What do you think? --ϒpsilon (talk) 06:18, 19 July 2017 (UTC)
  • Almost, needs some updates. I have just compared this with LP's paper guide to Chicago. We have more see listings -16 against the 8 that LP have. (LP does have w:Roloson Houses and w:State Street Village, which might be worth listing and w:Pilgrim Baptist Church which isn't, and does have a stay safe warning, but no eat, sleep or drink listings). I have updated some of the eat & sleep listings, but quite a bit more is needed - with emphasis on the budget sleep listings. I think that the last sentence of Understand could form the start of Stay safe. Overall I would rather have our article than the LP book if I did venture to Bronzeville. AlasdairW (talk) 22:28, 3 August 2017 (UTC)


Place: Erlangen
Blurb: Whether you're in town for the twelve day Bergkirchweih extravaganza or not, Erlangen is much more than Siemens and university. Its charming old town as well as its Huguenot and margravial heritage make Southern Germany's smallest Großstadt a perfect place to get on your bike and explore (okay, this blurb needs work) (should not exceed ~145 characters)
Article status: Guide (must be guide or above).
Time to feature: May preferred to coincide with Bergkirchweih festival, otherwise Apr-Oct
Nominated by: Hobbitschuster (talk) 17:41, 9 April 2017 (UTC)
Comment: There is absolutely no rush to get this featured now, but I want to get this "in the pipeline" for our "Germany slot" a year or two from now

Erlangen Schlossplatz.JPG
  • As a former resident of a nearby suburb, attendant of this city's most run down high school and someone whose last visit to the town was a few months ago, I can assure that this article has been written with substantial local input and is quite up to date. There is no rush to feature it now, but I am nominating early this time, lest the Germany slot be already "taken" some time in the future. If you find fault with this article, do point out, where and how and why. Hobbitschuster (talk) 17:41, 9 April 2017 (UTC)
  • Not yet. About a third to a half of the listings in "See", as well as a considerably higher proportion of those in "Do", "Buy", "Eat", "Drink", and "Sleep", are either bare bullet points like the Yellow Pages, or have blurbs that need lengthening. Aside from that, though, the article looks good and I'll be happy to support it when the blurbs are attended to. -- AndreCarrotflower (talk) 19:54, 9 April 2017 (UTC)
@Buan~dewiki: do you want to weigh in? You've edited on this article quite a bit in the past... Hobbitschuster (talk) 20:37, 1 August 2017 (UTC)
I don't have experience or real comparison measures regarding nomination. As for the lists: I've just opened the article and deem the descriptions in the See section rather short. As a traveller I would love to read some more about the sights (mostly for palaces/notable buildings and churches, the rest seems quite ok). Maybe same applies for Do, although I think the titles are already more descriptive and at least I would have a look at the pages of everything that's happening when I'm at a place to see what I'm really interested in. As for the buy section, I personally deem lists enough. Eat and Drink are in my view long enough (would otherwise be hard to read). Comparing it with Groningen (the current off the beaten path destination), I would say: Erlangen still lacks some more descriptive content for the items in See and to some extent in Do and Sleep. In my view, it could be added with reasonable effort, I'm just personally very busy at the moment and would have a rather tough time doing anything on WikiVoyage except basic adding of a listing item I run accross by chance. Buan~dewiki (talk) 21:37, 1 August 2017 (UTC)
  • Needs work. This is a really informative article. Nevertheless, many listings still need descriptions. There are maybe a little too many intermediate headings here and there, some with just one listing under them. Finally, there are no photos whatsoever after the Do section. ϒpsilon (talk) 18:53, 10 September 2017 (UTC)
  • By the way, I currently live there, so if you need on the ground research, do tell me what of... Hobbitschuster (talk) 15:40, 27 November 2017 (UTC)
  • Needs work. As AndreCarrotflower and Ypsilon said, some of the listings need descriptions, and others could use longer descriptions. It would also be nice to have a longer lead paragraph that gives more of a sense of why a traveller would want to come here. —Granger (talk · contribs) 13:36, 21 February 2018 (UTC)


Place: Poros
Blurb: Greece in a nutshell: delicious food, beaches and archaeological sites galore, and an environment of serenity and relaxation that's becoming harder and harder to find in this increasingly touristy region. (should not exceed ~145 characters)
Article status: Guide (must be guide or above).
Time to feature: Apr-Oct
Nominated by: --ϒpsilon, the 20th letter in the Greek alphabet :D (talk) 18:36, 18 June 2017 (UTC)
Comment: Have had my eyes on this one ever since User:Agustin Bartolome turned the article to what it's now. Considering Greece is one of the most popular Mediterranean countries to visit, it's surprising that we've only ever featured one Greek article (Mykonos in Sep 2011), so let's make this the second one. I just updated the Get in section, arranged Sleep in price categories and filled out some other small bits of information that were missing.

It was mentioned in Yuzhno-Sakhalinsk's nomination that it risks ending up on the slush pile, so if that will happen (I hope not) here's a replacement for August's OtBP slot (or if it's a problem to have three European destinations on the Main Page at the same time, we can run Kurashiki in August and this one in September). Otherwise we can run this one next spring.

Clock tower in Poros.jpg

  • Support per comment. --ϒpsilon (talk) 18:36, 18 June 2017 (UTC)
  • Needs some very minor copyedits, but that's not enough to hamper my support. -- AndreCarrotflower (talk) 17:25, 21 June 2017 (UTC)
  • Comment: I'll have a closer look another day, but some of the prose may be a bit purple, and I feel like "Understand" is too long or at least has too many of the details that belong in other sections. It would be fine to have an "Orientation" subsection, but in that case, attractions could be mentioned as an aid to orientation but not in detail. Ikan Kekek (talk) 04:28, 2 July 2017 (UTC)


Place: Höfn
Blurb: This small fishing town is known for two things; the mighty Vatnajökull sitting next to it and lobsters. (should not exceed ~145 characters)
Article status: Guide (must be guide or above).
Time to feature: probably Jun-Aug
Nominated by: ϒpsilon (talk) 18:33, 6 September 2017 (UTC)
Comment: What can I say, a nice little Guide article which I just added coordinates to and removed dead listings from. It's at least nine months before it goes on the Main Page and closer to that time we can update those bus hours.

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  • Support per nomination.ϒpsilon (talk) 18:33, 6 September 2017 (UTC)
  • Support. Höfn is IMO perfectly featureable as is, however I'm noticing room for improvement in the "Buy" section: the article says "The arts and crafts scene is very active in Höfn and some good souvenir shopping is possible if you keep your eyes open" and "a few artists have workshops and galleries in Mikligarður, an old building by the harbor" yet none of these places have listings. -- AndreCarrotflower (talk) 18:38, 17 September 2017 (UTC)
  • Almost. Overall, looks like a pretty good article. The "By plane" section currently says "The airport is some distance outside the Höfn, so you'll have to figure out a way to get into town." Can we give our readers a little more help than that? (Are there rental cars, can you call the sole taxi from the airport, do the buses stop there, is it feasible to walk, might locals be willing to give you a ride?) I think it would be good to give at least one suggestion for how to get into town from the airport. —Granger (talk · contribs) 13:10, 22 October 2017 (UTC)
  • Support. I was there 6 years ago. I read through the article and don't believe anything major is missing. Regarding User:Mx. Granger's comment about getting from the airport to the town, there isn't any other way except driving. The only suggestion I would make is to explicitly write that out rather than leaving the readers to figure out on their own. OhanaUnited (talk) 05:00, 31 January 2018 (UTC)
    @OhanaUnited: Thanks. I did a bit more research and found that rental cars seem to be available too. Having added that information, I'll change my vote to support. —Granger (talk · contribs) 13:22, 31 January 2018 (UTC)


Place: Yuryev-Polsky
Blurb: Smack-dab in the middle of the Golden Ring tourist circuit yet relatively little visited, this sleepy old Russian town is gathered around a magnificent 13th-century cathedral. (should not exceed ~145 characters)
Article status: Guide (must be guide or above).
Time to feature: Jun 2018 preferred, otherwise Apr-Aug
Nominated by: AndreCarrotflower (talk) 04:02, 23 November 2017 (UTC)
Comment: Ordinarily I'd be hesitant to nominate an article that needs so much work before featuring (see my comments below), but several factors converge to make Yuryev-Polsky IMO the best choice for the still-vacant June 2018 OtBP slot.

For one, the geographical options are limited:

  • the nearby articles on the bracket trend very heavily toward Northwestern Europe (Erlangen OtBP May 2018, Höfn OtBP July 2018, Wales DotM July 2018)
  • through the end of 2018, we're already saturated with the maximum number of North American nominees we can handle (Underground Railroad, FTT July 2018, took the last available slot),
  • the convergence of Downtown Shanghai (DotM May 2018) and Ottoman Empire (FTT May 2018) would make an Asian feature awkward (especially given that we want to stay away from more equatorial regions like the Arabian Peninsula, the Indian Subcontinent, and Southeast Asia around midsummer), and
  • for similar reasons of uncomfortably hot weather, Mediterranean Europe is also less than ideal for a June-July Main Page sojourn.

Secondly, it's worth noting that other than Yuzhno-Sakhalinsk - a Siberian wilderness backwater closer to Seattle than Moscow - it's been since 2013 that we've featured a Russian destination on the Main Page.

Finally: though this article appears to be a more-or-less straight translation of its analogue on ru: and there's little if anything more to be gleaned from translating from there, it bears emphasizing that Yuryev-Polsky is part of the "Golden Ring" tourist circuit of Russian historic cities, so the chances are good that we can glean additional information from the Internet to flesh out the listings.

Vadimrazumov copter - Yuriev-Polskiy 3.jpg

  • Not yet, though the problems with this article are easier fixes than it may look like at first blush. The most demanding task here is the need to flesh out the "Get around" section. (For starters, it looks like much of the prose in the "Orientation" subsection of "Understand" could be retooled and moved there.) There are many others which, while also major deficiencies, require relatively little actual work to fix:
  • There is no dynamic map, nor any geo coordinates for the listings.
  • The bullet-point lists in the various "Get in" subsections should be converted to prose, and in "By plane", we might want to give directions to the town from the various Moscow-area airports.
  • The "Eat" and "Sleep" sections might need to be expanded; "Drink" definitely does.
  • "Go next" and "See" need to be reformatted to conform with Wikivoyage convention.
  • The article looks like it could use a thorough copyedit.
-- AndreCarrotflower (talk) 04:02, 23 November 2017 (UTC)
I'll take your word for all the things that need to be fixed, but one quick and tangential comment: There is no convergence between Shanghai and the Ottoman Empire. You might as well say there's a convergence between Tierra del Fuego and Alaska, considering the distance and cultural differences involved. Asia is the world's largest continent, and I believe that featuring two places at entirely opposite ends of the continent at the same time should never be considered any kind of issue by us. Ikan Kekek (talk) 04:10, 23 November 2017 (UTC)
Yes, but as I said, the majority of Asia is unsuitable for featuring in summer for climatic reasons (which incidentally is why we see a disproportionate abundance of Asian destinations in the Northern Hemisphere fall and winter; this year's relative lack thereof is an anomaly). The Ottoman Empire at its height stretched as far east as Iran and the Caucasus, we already have a Chinese feature, and anywhere south of there is a no-go for the summer. Among regions for which we have Guide-level articles, what other than Russia is left? Japan, which we've seen plenty of on the Main Page in recent years (Kurashiki, Kyoto, Taketomi, Nagoya) and what else? Not much as far as I can see. -- AndreCarrotflower (talk) 04:16, 23 November 2017 (UTC)
I get your point. What else there is, I would say, would be primarily hill stations and mountainous areas. There are actually a fair number of them. We featured Shimla some time ago, for example. Ikan Kekek (talk) 04:23, 23 November 2017 (UTC)
Parenthetically, "convergence" referred to those two destinations converging on the schedule into relative proximity to one another and to a hypothetical additional Asian feature, not to any presumed cultural or geographical redundancy between them. -- AndreCarrotflower (talk) 04:33, 23 November 2017 (UTC)
  • Needs work — André already brought up most things that need to be fixed in the article. In addition several prices given as per 2008, so everything in the article should probably be checked up.
And yes, summer in Northern Hemisphere usually means rain in the tropics north of the Equator (the same goes for Austral summer in the southern tropics) and the during that time of the year places like the Arabian desert are only for hardcore fans of hot weather. So viable Asian places to visit during Jun-Sep probably amount to Russia, some of Central Asia, some of East Asia, and then places in the southern tropics like most of Indonesia. --ϒpsilon (talk) 17:43, 23 November 2017 (UTC)
BTW I came up with an alternative to this one, see #Piton de la Fournaise below. ϒpsilon (talk) 19:14, 17 December 2017 (UTC)


Place: Goroka
Blurb: For a few days every year, a sing-sing takes place in this PNG Highlands town, filling it with colourful performances. (should not exceed ~145 characters)
Article status: Guide (must be guide or above).
Time to feature: Aug to advertise the Goroka Show in mid-Sep, otherwise perhaps even anytime
Nominated by: ϒpsilon (talk) 17:24, 23 November 2017 (UTC)
Comment: Trying to tick one of these off the list. I've been working on the article for a few days, but the OtBP country Papua New Guinea is so fascinating that I've caught myself reading about the country and playing with Google Earth for an hour instead of working on the article :). The article was usable when I found it and I believe everything that can be said about the town is in the article now.


  • Support --ϒpsilon (talk) 17:24, 23 November 2017 (UTC)
  • Support, it's ready. Ypsilon: as to timing, Aug 2018 is the space I had in mind for Gaspé Peninsula, but in light of our recent conversation about that nominee and the mountain of work I have yet to do on updating the Buffalo district articles for the umpteenth time, I'm going to go ahead and slush Gaspé Peninsula and we can run Goroka in that slot instead. -- AndreCarrotflower (talk) 18:21, 23 November 2017 (UTC)
  • Support - Looks pretty good, though I moved "Goroka Show" from "See" to "Do", as it's standard practice to list viewing concerts or sporting events in the "Do" section, even though of course you're seeing (and/or hearing) something. Ikan Kekek (talk) 07:56, 27 November 2017 (UTC)
  • Support. Looks good to me! —Granger (talk · contribs) 13:37, 31 January 2018 (UTC)

Kamphaeng Phet[edit]

Place: Kamphaeng Phet
Blurb: Otherwise known for ancient walls, forts, temple ruins and Buddha statues, Thailand's "banana capital" holds a ten-day festival to promote its sweet and aromatic fruit. (should not exceed ~145 characters)
Article status: Guide (must be guide or above).
Time to feature: September preferred, but could be anytime
Nominated by: RJFF (talk) 21:47, 9 December 2017 (UTC)
Comment: Worth visiting, but little frequented. The banana festival in September is Thailand's longest provincial fair.

Kamphaeng Phet04.JPG

  • Support, but what's with the non-standard "Nearby" section? That's not how we handle that kind of thing. Those listings need to be merged into either "See"/"Do" or "Go next". -- AndreCarrotflower (talk) 03:35, 10 December 2017 (UTC)
A "Nearby" section is explicitly proposed in the guideline WV:Region article template ("If something is in a tiny rural village too small to justify its own local article, (...) adding a section 'Nearby' in an adjacent city article (before the 'Go next' section).") and also explained in WV:Article templates/Sections#Nearby. "Go next" should only include places that have their own article (but these scattered, rural destinations do not warrant articles of their own), while I find it confusing to place points that are up to 65 km off the main city under the "See"/"Do" sections. To me, the "Nearby" section seems to be the perfect solution for this case. --RJFF (talk) 11:52, 10 December 2017 (UTC)
I argued with another user a few months back about this Nearby section, which apparently is real. Yes, if an attraction is far outside the city it's misleading to put it in the city article's See or Do section (perhaps then in the surrounding region's See or Do). But given that very few articles in practice have it, it does look strange and out of place and I think Nearby should be a subsection of Go next instead it's own section.
  • Support. My instinct is to think the "Nearby" section should be merged to "See"/"Do", but I don't feel strongly about that at all. —Granger (talk · contribs) 12:21, 10 December 2017 (UTC)
  • Support — I don't really have anything to complain about, save for the Nearby section which I think should be a subsection of Go next. ϒpsilon (talk) 14:45, 10 December 2017 (UTC)

Chapel Hill[edit]

Place: Chapel Hill
Blurb: A scenic campus, ultra-popular sports teams, and the buzz of research and learning at the home of North Carolina's flagship public university. (should not exceed ~145 characters)
Article status: Guide (must be guide or above).
Time to feature: August–November or January–March (to get the real Chapel Hill experience, you've got to come when the students are in town)
Nominated by: —Granger (talk · contribs) 02:10, 10 December 2017 (UTC)
Comment: At Wikivoyage talk:Destination of the month candidates#Unfeatured U.S. states, Ypsilon pointed out that no North Carolina destination has ever been featured—let's change that!

Old Well.JPG

  • Support as nominator. Thorough article; I don't notice any major omissions or problems. —Granger (talk · contribs) 02:10, 10 December 2017 (UTC)
  • Support, and a case could also be made for DotM rather than OtBP. Again, though, please understand that given the abundance of current U.S. nominees, Chapel Hill is going to have to wait till 2019. -- AndreCarrotflower (talk) 03:34, 10 December 2017 (UTC)
  • Support Looks good. With so long time before the article goes on the Main Page, a few weeks before it does we need to check that everything is still up to date. --ϒpsilon (talk) 15:07, 10 December 2017 (UTC)

Piton de la Fournaise[edit]

Place: Piton de la Fournaise
Blurb: The hottest attraction on this French overseas department offers exciting outdoor experiences whether it's erupting or not (should not exceed ~145 characters)
Article status: Guide (must be guide or above).
Time to feature: Jun 2018? Otherwise May-Oct
Nominated by: ϒpsilon (talk) 20:38, 16 December 2017 (UTC)
Comment: June's OtBP candidate Yuryev-Polsky does have a couple of issues and might have been nominated as an emergency measure to prevent us from having a ? on the schedule in a few days when June's slots show up. But how about running this one instead, which I just translated from German (their article was OtBP in Aug 2013) and French. Not only would it cover one more of our unfeatured regions (East African Islands), but we would also not have European OtBPs for four months straight from April to July, like it looks like we'd otherwise have.

ReU PtFournaiseVulkankegel.jpg
  • Support – there might be some details that need polishing but I will take care of that if nobody else has time. ϒpsilon (talk) 20:38, 16 December 2017 (UTC)
  • Support - I haven't read the entire article yet, but it's very impressive. I've copy edited part of the article; the rest will need to be copy edited with a fine-toothed comb in order to ensure that it's in idiomatic English. Ikan Kekek (talk) 22:19, 16 December 2017 (UTC)
  • Support. Ypsilon, I'm sorry it took me so long to respond here. I agree that this is a better candidate for June 2018 than Yuryev-Polsky (and just finished adding it to the schedule on that basis). -- AndreCarrotflower (talk) 01:27, 21 December 2017 (UTC)
  • Support. I've gone through and copyedited the whole article, as Ikan Kekek suggested. It looks like a great article to me. My only suggestion would be to expand the "Go next" section with specific destinations. —Granger (talk · contribs) 20:30, 21 February 2018 (UTC)

Keenjhar Lake[edit]

Place: Keenjhar Lake
Blurb: A popular getaway for local people and winter migratory birds alike, in the middle of this lake you can find a 14th century royal grave (should not exceed ~145 characters)
Article status: Guide (must be guide or above).
Time to feature: Oct-Mar seems to be previously suggested months for our Pakistani OtBPs
Nominated by: ϒpsilon (talk) 12:24, 25 January 2018 (UTC)
Comment: Time to run another one of our Pakistani OtBP destinations, written up to guide status by Saqib. Per the talk page the article should be good to go; I added the coordinates mentioned in the discussion there and did some copyediting.

Keenjhar Lake view 4.jpg
  • Support --ϒpsilon (talk) 12:24, 25 January 2018 (UTC)
  • Support Ikan Kekek (talk) 16:57, 25 January 2018 (UTC)
  • Support. Saqib, you asked me earlier about which Pakistani destination we might feature next, and I regret never getting back to you about that. I think this one is a fine choice. -- AndreCarrotflower (talk) 18:01, 25 January 2018 (UTC)


Place: Valletta
Blurb: History lives in Malta's compact capital: museums, shopping, and culture galore packed into a stunning labyrinth of 17th-century Baroque buildings. (should not exceed ~145 characters)
Article status: Guide (must be guide or above).
Time to feature: Mar-Dec, though after Oct it gets rainy
Nominated by: AndreCarrotflower (talk) 20:55, 9 February 2018 (UTC)
Comment: We've got only two 2018 slots left on the schedule: the OtBPs for October and December. I envision submitting nominees for both of those openings, this being one of them, and then, unless consensus disagrees, formally closing DotM to new nominations at least through the end of the summer. (Pinging participants in the recent discussion on the same topic: Ypsilon, Ground Zero, and Hobbitschuster, what do you think of this idea?)

As for Valletta, it's one of the two European Capitals of Culture for this year, so I'd say it's deserving of one of the two coveted spots. (Come to think of it, if it's more desirable to feature Valletta in September, we could actually bump Chicago/Bronzeville down to October without the latter conflicting with any other U.S. articles; let's hear your thoughts on that too.)

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  • Weak support at present. The article needs a better lede and more pictures, the "Do" section could use expanding, there are a few listings without geo coordinates, and I'm not sure "in debatable order of importance" is a valid way to organize the "See" section. -- AndreCarrotflower (talk) 20:55, 9 February 2018 (UTC)
  • Almost First off, Valletta seems to have been demoted to usable. The article needs geo coordinates, photos, possibly more POIs and an update. And FWIW I imagined Chicago Bronzeville would go into October's slot.
And I don't support a blanket closing down of the nominations, but we could do that for (Northern Hemisphere) summer articles given that spring and summer 2019 are already slowly filling up, almost a year and a half ahead.
Why? Because the next slots we're looking for articles for the winter months 2019. And traditionally it has been about as hard finding suitable articles for slots in the "colder half of the year" as there has been to find suitable months for the tons and tons of summer or shoulder season articles. The articles that sit around for long periods are the likes of Lodz, Palmyra (New York), Brownsville and Groningen, but almost never articles like Entebbe, Praia, Hobart or Merida (Mexico). ϒpsilon (talk) 21:37, 9 February 2018 (UTC)
  • Valletta is very clearly a Guide. Granted it's not the most complete Guide-level article on the site, but it's not the least complete one either (Bisbee, as one of many possible examples). I'm not sure what happened there, but I've updated the article accordingly.
  • Chicago/Bronzeville could be featured in October, but now that I look closer, Valletta probably could not be featured in September, the same month we run Venice as DotM - two Mediterranean destinations sharing the Main Page for not 10 but 20 days, I think, is out of bounds.
  • You make a good point about the difficulty of scheduling winter destinations, but it perhaps bears mentioning that once an OtBP nominee is introduced for December 2018 as I indicated above, 50% (6 out of 12) of the available slots for winter 2018-19 will have been filled:
Dec 2018: Denver / new nominee / Winter in the Nordics
Jan 2019: ? / ? / ?
Feb 2019: ? / ? / SS Lusitania
Mar 2019: ? / Chapel Hill / Judaism
-- AndreCarrotflower (talk) 22:46, 9 February 2018 (UTC)
  • I must say I oppose featuring Valetta at this point in time. The understand section contains barely anything, the "do" section is a joke, there is the issue with the order of the see section, "get in" is barely adequate and even fails to mention air travel while "get around" did not even have a single subsection until just now. Furthermore there is a weird digression about audio guides which may or may not violate WV:Tour. "Learn" says something about language learning institutes but links to none of them. The article also has surprising language- and flow issues for one covering an English speaking place. This article might be polishable, but with none of us being based out of Malta and English language as well as Mediterranean destinations overexposed as is, I see few reasons besides the capital of culture thing to spend the considerable effort it would take to fix the issues with this article. Hobbitschuster (talk) 23:44, 9 February 2018 (UTC)
First of all, English, though it has official status, is not the majority language of Malta. 95% of Malta's citizens speak Maltese natively, and virtually all of the 89% of Maltese who speak English do so as a second language, with varying degrees of fluency. We went over that point already at Talk:English language varieties.
Secondly, I'm not based out of the Gaspé Peninsula either, and I have been there a grand total of once in my life, for only three days. Despite that, I've managed to bring five articles in that region up to Guide status - Gaspé Peninsula itself, Percé, Chandler, Forillon National Park, and Gaspé - that were previously either nearly-empty outlines or redlinks. Valletta, meanwhile, is already a Guide, and only needs a few minor tweaks. Clearly, the fact that we don't have any editors in Malta is irrelevant. We are not limited to solely firsthand information here; it's perfectly fine to draw from Google, Facebook, Yelp, Tripadvisor, etc. to fill in missing information.
Valletta isn't perfect, but its issues are not insurmountable, certainly not with eight months of advance warning. Frankly, if we're going to sound the alarm about any OtBP candidate, it should be Erlangen, which you nominated almost a year ago and is still in worse shape than Valletta is now only a few hours after I nominated it.
-- AndreCarrotflower (talk) 00:08, 10 February 2018 (UTC)
I have more than once offered to do on the ground research on Erlangen if a specific thing is pointed out to me. I don't think the criticism is fair, given that it is incredibly vague and I am perfectly clear as to atrás in which the Valetta article is deficient. And ceteris paribus on the ground knowledge is always preferable to Internet research. Tell me what I should research with regards to Erlangen and I will. But I stand by my opinion that the Valetta article has the mentioned deficits and probably more. Hobbitschuster (talk) 06:04, 10 February 2018 (UTC)
FWIW, this is what I believed the onwards schedule would look like:
Aug: North Vancouver, Goroka, Rail travel in Germany
Sep: Sarajevo, Kamphaeng Phet ("September preferred" according to the nominator), Avoiding travel through the US
Oct: Gyeongju, Bronzeville, Sydney Airport (or other airport)
Nov: Colonia, Keenjhar Lake, Winter in the Nordic countries
Dec: Denver, ?, Inca trail
Jan: ?, ?, Lusitania
Feb: ?, Chapel Hill, ? (some phrasebook?)
Mar: ?, ?, Judaism?
Apr: Venice if not slushed?, ?, ?Roman empire if no Venice
Later: Berlin, Yuryev Polsky, Roman Empire, Vikings, Rail travel in NL
Concerning Erlangen, as I said above there are some listings that lack a description (particularly in Do and Buy), and in the case something has closed down it should be removed, also some photos should be added to the latter 2/3 of the article. Otherwise the article looks quite OK. --ϒpsilon (talk) 08:56, 10 February 2018 (UTC)
  • I know you hate that argument, but I just ran copyscape on Valetta and more than half that article are the same since the migration should we really an article that may well be outdated by over five years in more than half its content? And with that background us not having someone on the ground does exacerbate the issue. Hobbitschuster (talk) 23:42, 4 March 2018 (UTC)
  • Almost Valletta is the sort of destination where it may not matter if half the text has not changed in a decade, particularly for the see listings. I have done some edits, but I think that there is quite a bit more to do: Understand is 10% of the length it needs to be; Buy needs quite a bit of expansion - are there no department stores?, and if not then we should say where the nearest ones out of town are, a supermarket should be here or in Eat; although there are 16 See listings I think that there are still some missing - e.g. WP has articles on 24 churches, 17 palaces etc. AlasdairW (talk) 23:59, 5 March 2018 (UTC)

Nominations for Featured travel topic[edit]

Rail travel in Germany[edit]

Place: Rail travel in Germany
Blurb: Germany's railways enjoy a superb reputation abroad and trains are often the fastest, most comfortable and sometimes cheapest way around the country (should not exceed ~145 characters)
Article status: Guide (must be guide or above).
Time to feature: Any; preferably not December (schedule change)
Nominated by: Hobbitschuster (talk) 20:54, 2 March 2017 (UTC)
Comment: I think some work may need to be done still but this could go live tomorrow without causing me too much headache

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  • Somehow this nominee fell through the cracks. Good work, Hobbitschuster. Voting support with no reservations. -- AndreCarrotflower (talk) 14:12, 27 March 2017 (UTC)
  • Support. You're on the right track. K7L (talk) 16:17, 27 March 2017 (UTC)
  • Comment: Complaining about Deutsche Bahn and comparing it (unfavorably) to railroads in France, Switzerland, Japan or Italy is a particular "hobby" of a large subset of the German population. Meanwhile next to all non-Germans (excluding the Swiss, that is) who have an opinion on DB consider it an excellent transportation choice. The article currently partially reflects the latter but makes no allusions to the former. Is this the right approach or should we give the "Bahn-Nörgler" the light of day? Hobbitschuster (talk) 18:54, 27 March 2017 (UTC)
  • I think exactly the kind of statement you just made would be good to put in the article. I'm really busy with professional and personal stuff right now, but I'll have a look through the article when I have sufficient time and mental space. Ikan Kekek (talk) 19:17, 27 March 2017 (UTC)
  • Support This article is a pretty good one. I don't see any obvious issues with it, having just given it a quick read-through. It has answers to everything a traveler might have questions about (and a few things they might not think to ask, such as the bit about passenger rights). DethDestroyerOfWords (talk) 15:22, 9 May 2017 (UTC)
  • Support it's a really good-looking article, at least at a first glance. When the article is about to go live, we maybe need to check that all external links are still alive. ϒpsilon (talk) 15:09, 6 June 2017 (UTC)
  • Support on the condition that a good look is taken at it before it goes live. Maybe User:Griffindd and User:Xsobev who have also contributed to this article in the last months want to weigh in as well? Hobbitschuster (talk) 23:08, 20 July 2017 (UTC)

Military museums and sites in Australia[edit]

Place: Military museums and sites in Australia
Blurb: Although most battles have been fought overseas, Australia features a number of military museums and memorials. (should not exceed ~145 characters)
Article status: Guide (must be guide or above).
Time to feature: Anzac Day is commemorated on 25 April, so I think either March or April could be good months to feature this one
Nominated by: ϒpsilon (talk) 07:27, 10 August 2017 (UTC)
Comment: This is a comprehensive and interesting article. The main contributor said all important sites are mentioned in the article, and many minor ones have been added.

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  • Support per nomination. --ϒpsilon (talk) 07:27, 10 August 2017 (UTC)
  • This is what I like to call an "OtBP FTT". :) Nonetheless, this article looks perfect and it therefore has my wholehearted support. Thank you, Ypsilon and Nick-D, for your excellent work here. -- AndreCarrotflower (talk) 18:13, 10 August 2017 (UTC)
I think it makes more sense to feature this one in April rather than March, as new FTTs get subbed in on the 21st of each month and featured articles tend to get the most attention at the very beginning of their Main Page tenure. -- AndreCarrotflower (talk) 18:15, 10 August 2017 (UTC)
April would be best, as it aligns with Australia's main day of military-related commemorations. Nick-D (talk) 23:26, 11 August 2017 (UTC)
  • Support -- The article seems lovely and is an easy feature choice with none of the "effort" that other nominations seem to need to get "up to snuff". It has plenty of well written information and a good number of pictures. I learn quite a bit about a facet of Australian history I never gave much thought to before. I think it will need a quick run through perhaps a month or three before featuring to ensure the information is up to date. DethDestroyerOfWords (talk) 19:33, 10 August 2017 (UTC)
  • Support (as main contributor). Thanks for the nomination. As noted above, I think that this article now includes all of the major military museums and sites likely to be of interest to travellers in Australia, as well as as the most interesting local museums and sites. Nick-D (talk) 00:47, 12 August 2017 (UTC)
Nick-D, thank you for your work on this article - especially since it falls into a category (FTT) for which it's always a challenge to find good featured article candidates! -- AndreCarrotflower (talk) 00:50, 12 August 2017 (UTC)
  • Support. I wouldn't really know how to judge the coverage of this topic, but it's certainly a well-written, user-friendly article and I take the experts' evaluation of its coverage at face value. Ikan Kekek (talk) 02:50, 12 August 2017 (UTC)
  • Support. I have only been to a couple of the sites listed here, but the coverage looks good. I think that the individual listings should have links to the relevant city / district articles. Am I correct in thinking that little happens on November 11 in Australia, as the main event is Anzac Day? AlasdairW (talk) 21:40, 17 October 2017 (UTC)
    • Yes, 11 November is pretty low key Nick-D (talk) 01:01, 6 November 2017 (UTC)


First, there has been war on Australia's soil, if you count Japanese air raids, and there's also been organized violence against Aborigines. So how about "Australia is notable for its many war museums and memorials" or if it's felt that more is needed, "Australia hosts many war museums and memorials to wars in which Australians have fought"? Ikan Kekek (talk) 06:19, 12 March 2018 (UTC)

Well no one would ever say WWII was waged in the U.S. either, despite the fact that there was a pretty major Japanese air raid in Hawaii, not to mention a couple of Japanese-occupied Aleutian Islands and all the ships sunk off the East Coast by German U-boats. As for the Aboriginals, we already discussed that that was unduly stretching the definition of "war" as opposed to genocide or massacre. We could debate these points till the cows come home, but frankly the place to get into the weeds about issues like this is in the article itself. The job of the banner blurb is not to split hairs but to sell the article in an interesting and brief way. I'm not convinced that changing the text is necessary. -- AndreCarrotflower (talk) 14:34, 12 March 2018 (UTC)
Just to point out: You just explained why anyone who says none of WWII was fought on U.S. territory is wrong - and really seriously wrong, as without the attack on Pearl Harbor and the attack on and occupation of the Philippines, it's unclear what might have provoked an all-out U.S. involvement in that war. As for the rest AlasdairW had an opinion at Wikivoyage:Destination of the month candidates/Banners#Military museums and sites in Australia and might want to express an opinion here. Ikan Kekek (talk) 20:58, 12 March 2018 (UTC)
I changed the blurb here on Friday, before I saw that a separate discussion had started on the banners page. The blurb was (on Thursday) "Though no war has ever been fought on its soil (apart from periodic skirmishes between European settlers and indigenous inhabitants), Australia nonetheless features a number of military museums and war memorials.", and was then shortened to "Though no war has ever been fought on its soil, Australia nonetheless features a number of military museums and memorials.". This prompted me to think of WW2 activity in Australia and I mentioned the air raid on Darwin on the other page (there was also some naval action), and I changed the blurb to "Although most battles have been fought overseas, Australia features a number of military museums and memorials." Ikan suggested "Australia hosts many war museums and memorials to wars in which Australians have fought", which is also acceptable.
I think that the "no war has ever been fought on its soil" is an absolute phrase, and we should avoid it where there is any significant evidence to the contrary. This could be off-putting to readers whose families were affected by the WW2 bombing, or are descended from indigenous inhabitants, and there is no need to do so when other blurbs are available. There is a difference between generalising about emotive history and doing so about travel. This is quite different from "Despite having no cheap hotels, Smallville is popular with travellers", when we know that there is one cheap but small hotel. AlasdairW (talk) 23:51, 12 March 2018 (UTC)
I'm not married to the current wording, but I think (by way of responding to the suggestions on the banners page) that "Australia is notable for its many war museums and memorials" is too short, and the other two sound too weak and wishy-washy. We need a blurb with some zip to it. Over the next day or so, I'll see if I can come up with something else for your consideration. -- AndreCarrotflower (talk) 00:30, 13 March 2018 (UTC)


Place: Judaism
Blurb: Over its long and often fraught existence, the world's oldest monotheistic religion has left its mark on history and culture all over the world — from the Holy Land to Europe to East Asia to the Americas. (should not exceed ~145 characters)
Article status: Guide (must be guide or above).
Time to feature: Anytime
Nominated by: AndreCarrotflower (talk) 18:35, 17 September 2017 (UTC)
Comment: As a discussion on this article's talk page indicates, many of us have had their eye on this article as a possible FTT for some time now. Though it's recently been elevated to Guide status and is thus eligible to be nominated (preferably for the March 2018 FTT slot which is currently vacant), Ikan Kekek earlier had expressed some doubts as to whether the article was yet complete enough to be featured. I'd love to hear whether, four months after having originally made that comment, his opinion has changed.

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  • Despite being the nominator, I can't in good conscience vote "support" for the article as is. However, we have a goodly amount of time to attend to its needs, which as I see them comprise adding geo coordinates for all the listings in "Cities" and "See" that don't yet have them, as well as lengthening descriptive blurbs in most cases, and perhaps expanding the "Eat", "Drink", and "Buy" sections (in descending order of how much additional detail IMO should be added). This may not be an exhaustive list of the article's issues (again, I hereby solicit Ikan's opinion on the matter) but again, the March '18 slot is vacant. -- AndreCarrotflower (talk) 18:35, 17 September 2017 (UTC)
  • The article is in much better shape than before, due to a lot of hard, smart work. I think there are still some more cities that should be added, and we also may want to think about what should be in "Cities" and what should be in "See". Ikan Kekek (talk) 19:44, 17 September 2017 (UTC)
  • Conditional support As I said on the talk page some coords are still missing, but on the other hand I don't know much about Judaism so I can't myself tell if everything important is in the article. But I'm ready to support the article when Ikan and other central contributors think it looks good for the main page. ϒpsilon (talk) 19:59, 17 September 2017 (UTC)
So... is this still "work in progress"? There are two months before it's scheduled to be featured and it doesn't have even one full support vote. Sure, like with most travel topics, we can feature them anytime of the year but still... ϒpsilon (talk) 20:12, 19 January 2018 (UTC)
  • I would solicit the opinion and comments of Ar2332, whose great work is most responsible for the great improvements in this article. Ikan Kekek (talk) 20:19, 17 September 2017 (UTC)
    • There is still work to be done. The "See" section is generally missing sites in Israel. The "Cities" section still needs work, in terms of content and focus. The relationship between the "Cities" and "See" sections needs to be clarified. Ar2332 (talk) 22:01, 17 September 2017 (UTC)
  • I agree with Ar2332. The "city" and "See" sections seem like they should be merged. The distinction is really unclear. ChubbyWimbus (talk) 02:36, 18 September 2017 (UTC)
  • March/April would be suitable, as it coincides with Passover/Easter. /Yvwv (talk) 05:10, 20 September 2017 (UTC)
Again, the March 2018 FTT slot is vacant, and I intended to fill it with this. -- AndreCarrotflower (talk) 05:17, 20 September 2017 (UTC)
  • This is indeed still a work in progress, as the relationship between "Cities" and "See" still needs to be clarified. I think this is a "Not yet" for now. Ikan Kekek (talk) 11:09, 20 January 2018 (UTC)
I'd suggest places with several Jewish sites should go in Cities, and these sites would be described in the listing of the city. "Standalone" attractions, ie. those that are in cities that aren't otherwise notable for their Jewish heritage can be listed in See. I can help with adding coordinates for sites and cities but not really much more.
Andre, looks like we need a plan B for March's FTT. Should we move Ottoman Empire, Advice for nervous flyers or something else to March (making room for Vikings and the Old Norse in the summer) or run Hostels? ϒpsilon (talk) 10:28, 28 January 2018 (UTC)
Vikings and the Old Norse still needs quite a bit of work before it goes on the Main Page, IMO, and with Ottoman Empire the question would be what to replace it with in the May 2018 slot. I'd say the least disruptive course of action would be to run Hostels in March. -- AndreCarrotflower (talk) 15:11, 28 January 2018 (UTC)
Yes Done. As for this article, it's come a long way and will make a fine feature when the "Cities"/"See" issue is sorted out, so I'm going to refrain from slushing it and instead say that it would make a good feature for next year's Passover. -- AndreCarrotflower (talk) 00:51, 29 January 2018 (UTC)

Advice for nervous flyers[edit]

Place: Advice for nervous flyers
Blurb: Scared of flying? You don't need to be! Have a look at our guide and consider taking a course and hopefully you'll be more comfortable flying. (should not exceed ~145 characters)
Article status: Guide (must be guide or above).
Time to feature: Anytime
Nominated by: ϒpsilon (talk) 10:30, 18 September 2017 (UTC)
Comment: A little less than a year ago Andre suggested this article was possible already a guide. I can't come to think of anything missing so I upgraded it to guide per my monologue on the article's talk page and nominate it right now. If there's anything missing, feel free to add it.

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Roman Empire[edit]

Place: Roman Empire
Blurb: The Roman Empire encircled the Mediterranean two thousand years ago and left many marvellous ruins. Its heritage has influenced much of the world. (should not exceed ~145 characters)
Article status: Usable (deserves a higher grade) (must be guide or above).
Time to feature: Spring or autumn
Nominated by: Yvwv (talk) 04:56, 20 September 2017 (UTC)
Comment: A highlight in the historical travel series. The marker counter is capped at 99; maybe we can find a workaround?

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  • I want to vote Support here, because it's a well-written article on one of my personal favorite historical subjects. However, I'm not sure if the marker counter being capped at 99 is a bug so much as a feature. The plain fact of any article having over 99 listings (even a travel topic article, and especially an article with a dynamic map) is a pretty big red flag for me that says maybe we need to think about whether all of these places really need to be listed, or whether it should be split up into smaller articles (much as previous FTT Fundamentals of flying was), perhaps with Roman Empire itself serving as sort of a "Huge City" analogue: a summarization of and portal to the more fine-grained information in the daughter articles. -- AndreCarrotflower (talk) 05:29, 20 September 2017 (UTC)
  • Conditional support. The 99 problems (now I got Jay-Z's song on continuous replay in my head, thanks a lot :P) need to be fixed. One possible workaround would be splitting them up geographically (e.g. 1. today's Italy, 2. France+Iberia, 3. British Isles+Central Europe+Benelux, 4. Balkan+Greece, 5. Turkey+Middle East, 6. Northern Africa) and use different markers for destinations in different regions. ϒpsilon (talk) 11:04, 20 September 2017 (UTC)
  • Not yet; there are just too many listings. I think many of them should be pushed down to destination articles and just a summary (maybe with listing for cities, but not individual attractions) kept here. A recent discussion of a similar issue is at Wikivoyage:Travellers'_pub#Downtown_Shanghai. Pashley (talk) 18:31, 20 September 2017 (UTC)
  • Almost. The listing types should be changed to use different colours, and to avoid the present problem of having eight #1 listings. Individual listings should be trimmed to remove phone numbers, hours, prices etc, and these should be in a linked destination article. A bigger job is that all the destination articles need to be checked to see that they have related listings with the full details - I found four listings in Algeria linked to Batna but only one was in the very outline article. I don't think that there are too many listings - I would actually say the reverse that there are a few sights are missing (no Antonine Wall in Scotland). A few listings might be combined, but not many as most listings appear separately on the map at a zoom of 8. AlasdairW (talk) 20:45, 20 September 2017 (UTC)
Well, what does a good article do? Does it include every possible listing, or does it try to avoid overwhelming the reader with too much information (not to mention the static map with too many markers, a problem that the proposed color-coding solution doesn't address)? I think the answer is pretty clearly the second option. I think this article really needs to be split up in the same way as Flying is split up into Planning your flight, At the airport, On the plane, and Arriving by plane. -- AndreCarrotflower (talk) 21:16, 20 September 2017 (UTC)
Breaking it out into Roman Britain, Roman France etc would be fine, just having a paragraph about the countries with more than a dozen or so listings, with a link to a country article. On reflection, a paragraph introducing each country would be a worthwhile addition (when was this territory part of the Roman Empire etc). AlasdairW (talk) 21:51, 20 September 2017 (UTC)
Let's remember that unless we're fine with having laundry lists of attractions, if the main Roman Empire article is splitted up, we also need to add more content to each of those subarticles. ϒpsilon (talk) 16:45, 23 September 2017 (UTC)
  • Comment. I really look forward for a solution to the "99 problems" and the completion of this article - it's very incomplete yet (p. ex. Skopje and Sevastopol both deserve to be mentioned), as I stopped adding to it when this bug got evident. For the record, I don't like very much the idea of splitting up the article, as it has already been very useful to me for reference purposes, both on planning stages for trips, and on the field itself. Having said that, I can very clearly see Pashley's point stated above, and don't want to suggest any hint of being "jealous" or "possessive" about what is written in the article. To be brief: Not yet. Ibaman (talk) 15:49, 4 October 2017 (UTC)
    • The Ottoman Empire is now nominated as an FTT. IMO, that article should go first. /Yvwv (talk) 18:37, 26 October 2017 (UTC)


Place: Hostels
Blurb: If you travel on a shoestring, hostels are a good choice for getting a roof over your head — and as a bonus, you can get to know fellow travellers! (should not exceed ~145 characters)
Article status: Guide (must be guide or above).
Time to feature: Anytime
Nominated by: ϒpsilon (talk) 21:13, 13 October 2017 (UTC)
Comment: I think we need some more FTT candidates, so per the discussion at Talk:Hostels I just promoted this one to Guide. The article looks OK to me, and as always, if there's something to add, please do so.

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  • Support --ϒpsilon (talk) 21:13, 13 October 2017 (UTC)
  • My trip to Quebec in 2012 (wow, was it really five years ago?) was the first one I ever took where I stayed mostly in hostels as opposed to full-fledged hotels. I knew a bed in a hostel was way less expensive than a hotel room and that hostels were geared toward solo travellers with minimal need for luxurious amenities, like myself, but otherwise I only had a vague idea what I was in for. It was a more positive than negative experience for me, I think, but in skimming this article, time and time again I kept thinking I wished I had read something like this beforehand to prepare myself. On that basis, I'm going to support this nominee pretty enthusiastically. -- AndreCarrotflower (talk) 00:45, 14 October 2017 (UTC)
  • Support I often stay at hostels, and I don't see any major omissions. I like having the cooking facilities, and the chance to meet other travellers. I find that there can be quite a difference in character between a small remote rural hostel and a large city one (or even a small hostel in a major city), and maybe this difference could be explained. AlasdairW (talk) 20:28, 17 October 2017 (UTC)
  • Support I didn't see any obvious spelling or grammar mistakes, so there wouldn't be too much work needed. The article is informative, has a good number of pictures, and I think will benefit the traveler DethDestroyerOfWords (talk) 20:19, 19 October 2017 (UTC)
  • Support. I think this is an important topic, and I can't think of any essential information that's missing. And I'd be excited to see an article that I've worked hard on be featured on the main page. —Granger (talk · contribs) 20:48, 21 October 2017 (UTC)

Ottoman Empire[edit]

Place: Ottoman Empire
Blurb: The Ottoman empire was a global power from the conquest of Istanbul in 1453, until the end of World War I. They had a cultural impact across much of Asia, Africa and Europe. (should not exceed ~145 characters)
Article status: Guide (must be guide or above).
Time to feature: Spring or autumn
Nominated by: Yvwv (talk) 17:41, 26 October 2017 (UTC)
Comment: Well-developed historical travel article, without the overburdened lists of the Roman Empire, and more travel-related information.

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  • Support, but wait until at least 2019. Roman Empire will be FTT next year, which is a thematically similar article that covers more or less the same geographical region, so I think it's less than ideal to run both of these articles in the same year. (I do agree that this article is already at Guide status, however.) -- AndreCarrotflower (talk) 17:57, 26 October 2017 (UTC)
    • The Ottoman Empire article has fewer issues than the Roman Empire, and could possibly go first. /Yvwv (talk) 18:09, 26 October 2017 (UTC)
  • Comment - First off, pretty pretty please upgrade articles to Guide before nominating them. The article looks quite good; I like the fact that all sections are well developed and balanced (i.e. the destinations section isn't disproportionately long). In this respect is is actually a better article than the Roman Empire whose nomination so far has two Not yet votes and no full Supports.
Tangentially, I hope there is room for more than one historical travel article in 2019, please see Talk:Magellan-Elcano_circumnavigation#FTT_in_2019.3F. ϒpsilon (talk) 18:25, 26 October 2017 (UTC)
I took the freedom to add the guide label. /Yvwv (talk) 18:36, 26 October 2017 (UTC)
  • Support. The article is developed and tight, and is representative of our best work. It really should be featured before Roman Empire is, in my opinion. Ibaman (talk) 23:44, 26 October 2017 (UTC)
  • Support per others. This article is excellent, really informative. It would be nice if the red-linked cities (Söğüt, Suakin) could have their own articles, but my support for featuring this article is irrespective of that. Ikan Kekek (talk) 21:02, 3 November 2017 (UTC)
  • I just took the time to read through the article and support it. ϒpsilon (talk) 18:06, 4 November 2017 (UTC)
  • Comment. As one of the main contributors to this article, I have recently realized that it was nominated and added a Template:Featurenomination at its top (which is lacked by some of the nominations here, by the way). I have created the article for Söğüt (although unfortunately not from first-hand information as I've never been there), but all I know about Suakin is limited to what's mentioned in the listing (and don't know even if it is worthy of an article or whether it is safe to visit there), so I'll leave creating the article for that town to someone else. As I said in the discussion page earlier, I'd appreciate any efforts of proofreading by native speakers for tightness and grammatical errors before this goes on the main page, although I realize that there is plenty of time until that happens. Vidimian (talk) 22:18, 25 November 2017 (UTC)

Underground Railroad[edit]

Place: Underground Railroad
Blurb: The Underground Railroad was a network of escape routes for slaves from the southern United States to Canada. (should not exceed ~145 characters)
Article status: Guide (must be guide or above).
Time to feature: Mar-Sep
Nominated by: Yvwv (talk) 16:11, 3 November 2017 (UTC)
Comment: Describes historical context, and each destination along two routes.


  • Support. I haven't looked through all the listings with a fine-toothed comb, but the article looks very informative. Ikan Kekek (talk) 19:04, 3 November 2017 (UTC)
  • Support. This article is also representative of Wikivoyage's best work. Ibaman (talk) 19:14, 3 November 2017 (UTC)
Which month would be most appropriate? Are there any memorial dates? Or should we go for the best weather? /Yvwv (talk) 19:19, 3 November 2017 (UTC)
  • This article covers a worthy topic and is well on its way to being featureable, but for the moment, not yet. Many of the listings in the "Go" section need to be expanded (especially in the "Tubman's Pennsylvania, Auburn and Niagara Railroad" subsection, which also contains an ugly bullet-point list that needs to be converted to prose and fleshed out with more context). In addition, there's some copyediting and mos-ifying that needs to be done (including some old-school, footnote-style external links that need to be converted to the inline style), and "Go next" and "See also" should have one-line listings explaining the connection.
As for the question of when to feature, there's not one large unified national commemoration to coincide the feature with, though many individual cities along the route have their own at various times throughout the year. I think it's best to default to the time of year with the best weather, which in this region of the U.S. would be March-September (October would be pushing the envelope, especially since FTTs don't go on the Main Page until the 21st of the month. There's liable to be snow on the ground by that time in the northern reaches of the route.)
-- AndreCarrotflower (talk) 20:19, 3 November 2017 (UTC)
Also, just for the record, this nominee has taken the last available slot in 2018 for U.S.-related articles. Any future nominees will need to wait till 2019. -- AndreCarrotflower (talk) 20:23, 3 November 2017 (UTC)
February is Black History Month, but I agree that there's no reason to tokenize an article about such an important part of American history into the shortest month of the year that has been uniquely awarded to black history. And February is cold and can be snowy in many places covered in this topic, so I agree with a spring-to-fall timeline for best month to feature. Ikan Kekek (talk) 20:45, 3 November 2017 (UTC)
Actually, given that Black History Month spans the month of February, if the article is featured for that month it should go on the Main Page on January 21st (if we'd run it in February's slot, there would be just a week left of the month), and as such it would be featured for 31 days.
But I agree with what has been said about the weather. Unless there are notable events happening at the monuments and museums in February, we should rather run the article in March-September. ϒpsilon (talk) 13:53, 21 November 2017 (UTC)
  • Almost. The list of bullet points in "Tubman's Pennsylvania, Auburn and Niagara Railroad" needs to be turned into at least markers if not listings. Also, the lead section only consists of one sentence. ϒpsilon (talk) 18:52, 4 November 2017 (UTC)
  • The article is usable but not complete. By definition, it may never be complete, but at a minimum we should cover any of the "what links here" points in Talk:Underground Railroad#Existing articles which mention the Underground Railroad or list UGRR sites where a destination article has listings we can use here. That would most likely mean expanding the existing "two rail lines" to three or four by adding one along the Atlantic seaboard to Halifax and another through Illinois/Indiana to the Great Lakes. K7L (talk) 18:11, 23 November 2017 (UTC)

Vikings and the Old Norse[edit]

Place: Vikings and the Old Norse
Blurb: The Old Norse were the ancestors of Scandinavians. The most famous were the Vikings; sailors who ventured around Europe and across the Atlantic in the 8th to 11th centuries. (should not exceed ~145 characters)
Article status: Guide (must be guide or above).
Time to feature: April-September. Preferrably June/July or July/August, as most outdoor events take place in summer.
Nominated by: Yvwv (talk) 04:54, 28 December 2017 (UTC)
Comment: The article has grown over time, and now has an impressive history section, and a long list of destinations.

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  • Comment: It's interesting and likely to get my vote, but a quick read of the first few paragraphs demonstrated to me that this article is going to need to be edited with a fine-toothed comb, for both clarity and standard, clear English. I think the editing will take a while, but the content certainly looks to be there. Ikan Kekek (talk) 05:09, 28 December 2017 (UTC)
  • Almost Otherwise a good article, though I would imagine there'd be a some more places in Iceland and Norway worth listing. --ϒpsilon (talk) 10:40, 1 January 2018 (UTC)
  • In addition to the relative dearth of Icelandic and Norwegian POIs pointed out by Ypsilon, it's strange that the article simply ends abruptly after the lengthy list of "Locations". If there nothing to say in the realm of "Stay safe"? No "Related topics" to delve into? -- AndreCarrotflower (talk) 17:29, 19 January 2018 (UTC)
  • Support, can't tell if the article needs copyediting, but it's probably better to let native English speakers take care of that :). I recently added a stash of destinations in Norway and Iceland, and a See also section with some links. For Stay safe; well the Nordic countries are nowadays some of the safest in the world so I don't really know what to add. If the problems many users have pointed out with the Underground Railroad article aren't resolved, here is a spare article. ϒpsilon (talk) 05:52, 27 February 2018 (UTC)

Inca Trail[edit]

Place: Inca Trail
Blurb: Hike the centuries-old stone paths laid by the Incas, past impressive ruins and staggering mountain scenery, all the way to the ancient city of Machu Picchu. (should not exceed ~145 characters)
Article status: Guide (must be guide or above).
Time to feature: "Weather is best May to September"; though as voyagers are recommended to book tickets and start getting fit a full 6 months ahead, Northern Hemisphere winter is probably best
Nominated by: —Granger (talk · contribs) 13:59, 4 January 2018 (UTC)
Comment: This is a thorough guide to an incredible trek, and I've addressed the issues raised on the talk page. This would also be our first ever feature from Peru!


  • Support. The article does look good; if you've also addressed the tour operator problem, then I think this is good to put on the main page. --ϒpsilon (talk) 15:18, 4 January 2018 (UTC)
  • Not yet.
  • Most of what's in "Understand" — "Acclimatize for at least 2 or 3 days", "Use trekking poles", "Pack appropriately", "Pace yourself", etc. etc. ad nauseam — actually belongs in "Prepare" (and, redundantly, much of it appears to already be there).
  • Also in "Understand" and "Prepare", the non-standard structure of brief snips of text headed up by bold pseudo-section titles needs to be jettisoned in favor of the standard paragraphs of prose we use here.
  • By comparison with the extensive information in the sections preceding it, "Go" — supposedly the meat of the article — seems almost like an afterthought. Interesting-sounding sets of ruins along the trail — Huillca Raccay, Sayacmarka, even Machu Picchu itself — are name-checked but barely (or not at all) described. Remind me again why I'm walking this trail?
  • The "Theft" subsection of "Stay safe" is another section that needs to be converted from its current weird non-standard structure to the prose format we normally use.
-- AndreCarrotflower (talk) 17:26, 19 January 2018 (UTC)
I've edited the article to try to address these issues. The "Go" section is still on the short side, but I think that's because this is an unusual itinerary: the trail is always done with a guide, so preparation and planning are much more important than details about the route, and the point of going on the Inca Trail is more the overall experience rather than the specific ruins you see on days 1 and 3. Still, I've expanded the "Go" section with more information about the ruins. What do you think? —Granger (talk · contribs) 20:35, 17 February 2018 (UTC)
Regarding "the trail is always done with a guide, so preparation and planning are much more important than details about the route", I always picture the prototypical Wikivoyage reader as someone who's trying to decide where to go, at least within the parameters of some particular broad region, rather than someone who's trying to decide what to do when they get to a place they've already decided to go. For the latter category of traveller, the extensive preparation and planning information would be sufficient; for the former, we go back to my earlier question of why choose this trek out of all the possible ones within one's geographic area of interest? I notice you've expanded the "Go" section, and having no expertise of my own on the region, I have no reason to disbelieve you when you say the point of the trail is the trail itself rather than the ruins along the way. I just have trouble wrapping my head around the idea of an itinerary with such a short "Go" section. I'm going to have to think about this for a while before choosing "support" or "still not yet". -- AndreCarrotflower (talk) 21:13, 21 February 2018 (UTC)
I agree that it's important for Wikivoyage to be useful for readers who are deciding where to go, and I think there's a good amount of information in the lead, "Understand", and "Go" sections for those readers. But I'll try to think of more information of this kind to add.
As for the length of the "Go" section, I don't really think it makes sense to judge this article by comparing the length of its "Go" section to the length of most other itineraries' "Go" sections. A lot of other "Go" sections have detailed directions, logistical information, or large numbers of destinations, which wouldn't make sense in the "Go" section in this article. —Granger (talk · contribs) 21:25, 26 February 2018 (UTC)
  • Almost I think that the "Go" section could be expended a little, but the main omission is any mention of distance. I think that the introduction should say that it is a 26 mile / 45 kn trek - check these figures which I got from one of the tour operator's wwebsite. If there are any established ways of expressing te sea level equivalent distance that could also be added. AlasdairW (talk) 23:25, 21 February 2018 (UTC)
Good point about the distance—I've added that to the "Understand" section. —Granger (talk · contribs) 21:25, 26 February 2018 (UTC
Thanks for the edits. I now support it. AlasdairW (talk) 22:44, 26 February 2018 (UTC)
Okay, I'm satisfied with the fixes, and certainly don't want to stand in the way of a four-vote quorum here. Support. -- AndreCarrotflower (talk) 23:45, 28 February 2018 (UTC)

Rail travel in the Netherlands[edit]

Place: Rail travel in the Netherlands
Blurb: Having said farewell to paper tickets several years ago, the efficient Dutch rail network may very well be the example for the future of rail travel. (should not exceed ~145 characters)
Article status: Guide (must be guide or above).
Time to feature: Any time but December, preferably around September 20th, 2019 (180th anniversary).
Edit: I understand that September 2019 may cause problems. Other dates of importance in the upcoming five years are:

  • December 2018; Sprinter Nieuwe Generatie put in service (same issue; too soon).
  • Early 2021; Intercity Nieuwe Generatie put in service.
  • In general, September is my preferred month for featuring since the anniversary of the Dutch railway network is in that month. March of 2022 is also fine by me (182½ year anniversary).
  • August 2021; 25 years since the first concession of the Dutch railways.

I am well aware that the feature date doesn't need to have a reason behind it, but I recon it might as well. Don't limit yourself to the dates above, but rather consider them.
Nominated by: Wauteurz (talk) 14:22, 21 January 2018 (UTC)
Comment: The article may need some touching up here and there as most information in the article has come from me, but content-wise I believe that nothing is missing and the article is therefore a good candidate for FTT.

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I should say, though, this is an exceptionally good article and I support its eventually being run as a feature. -- AndreCarrotflower (talk) 15:18, 21 January 2018 (UTC)
I don't think there is a problem to run Rail travel in Germany perhaps already in August 2018, especially as RtiG is a topic and not a place. In that way this could be featured in September 2019 as desired, "only" 20 months from now. ϒpsilon (talk) 18:12, 22 January 2018 (UTC)
  • Support — I've noticed you working on this one over the last several months and it's looking very informative. At least at a quick glance I can't really find anything wrong with it. ϒpsilon (talk) 18:17, 22 January 2018 (UTC)
  • Minor language and possible "nerding out" issues (for which I am the wrong person to judge them) aside, there is nothing to preclude my support for this feature and thanks to Wauteurz for some amazing work. As the user who nominated rail travel in Germany, I would have no qualms moving it around if this article could than be featured on a date that fits better. Just please don't feature either in December, as that is the European schedule change. Hobbitschuster (talk) 22:52, 25 January 2018 (UTC)
  • Weak Support, some essential details need finetuning - the article is thoroughly written but some of the more practical information is not entirely spot on, i.e. information about gates is too general, there is no information present about the surcharge for tickets purchased at the counter, no correct information present about the cost if you check in and check out after a certain time at the same station, information about opening train doors and onboard announcements is very specific to some of the rolling stock but wrong for others. In general, quite a large part of the article is written towards railway enthousiasts with a lot of technical details, but less towards the average tourist who travels on the train for the first time in the Netherlands. --WallyTheWalrus (talk) 23:42, 1 February 2018 (UTC)

Sydney Airport[edit]

Place: Sydney Airport
Blurb: The main gateway to Australia serves flights from all inhabited continents and is the end of one of the world's busiest air routes. (should not exceed ~145 characters)
Article status: Guide (must be guide or above).
Time to feature: Anytime
Nominated by: ϒpsilon (talk) 11:03, 28 January 2018 (UTC)
Comment: In October there'll be a year since we ran Manchester Airport and it'll be possible to have another airport article on the Main Page. We have two unfeatured guide airport articles which are slightly problematic, Heathrow Airport (from the UK, just like Manchester, so people might object to two airport articles from the same country back to back) and Seattle-Tacoma International Airport (we have a ton of U.S. nominees right now). But as it looks like SYD's article "Has different choices for accommodation and eating/drinking, and information on flights, airlines and terminals. Listings and layout closely match the manual of style. There will be multiple ways to get in, some suggestions for moving out, and information on getting around.", I just upgraded that article's status to guide and hereby nominate it.

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  • Support And as always, if anyone thinks there's anything missing, feel free to add it. ϒpsilon (talk) 11:03, 28 January 2018 (UTC)
  • Weak support. Is there any information about specific shops, restaurants, bars etc. to put in "Buy", "Eat", and "Drink"? (I realize that most "Eat" listings would likely consist of fast food, but I think it's more appropriate to list places like that in airport articles than in ordinary destinations.) -- AndreCarrotflower (talk) 17:35, 30 January 2018 (UTC)
On the talk page I pinged some voyagers who I guess use the airport every now and then, and Eat was updated including some restaurants. Perhaps they have something more to add, otherwise we can always take a look at the airport's home page. --ϒpsilon (talk) 17:59, 30 January 2018 (UTC)

Avoiding travel through the United States[edit]

Place: Avoiding travel through the United States
Blurb: Transiting through the United States might not be worth the trouble, even for U.S. citizens. Check out our guide to see why and how to avoid it. (should not exceed ~145 characters)
Article status: Guide (must be guide or above).
Time to feature: Anytime
Nominated by: ϒpsilon (talk) 17:19, 30 January 2018 (UTC)
Comment: This article has been a good usable for quite a while and upgrading to guide and nominating for FTT was discussed on the talk page already a year ago. A few months ago I checked up the flights (may need to be checked up again just before we run it, probably in the fall) and yesterday I added some photos so the article should be ready now.

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  • Support as nominator. ϒpsilon (talk) 17:19, 30 January 2018 (UTC)
  • Support, as I already indicated on the article's talk page. -- AndreCarrotflower (talk) 17:33, 30 January 2018 (UTC)
  • Support. It would be good to update the flights shortly before the article is featured, if someone has the energy. The details of Trump's travel ban should also be brought up to date shortly before featuring. —Granger (talk · contribs) 14:19, 21 February 2018 (UTC)

Diving the Cape Peninsula and False Bay/SS Lusitania[edit]

Place: Diving the Cape Peninsula and False Bay/SS Lusitania
Blurb: The century-old remains of this Portuguese ocean liner are seldom visited, yet are considered one of the top wreck dives in the Cape Peninsula region. (should not exceed ~145 characters)
Article status: Guide (must be guide or above).
Time to feature: Oct-May per Diving the Cape Peninsula and False Bay#Climate, weather and sea conditions
Nominated by: AndreCarrotflower (talk) 02:19, 31 January 2018 (UTC)
Comment: The last time we were talking about dive guides on the Main Page, I remember suggesting we hold off and not run them as frequently as every year, as most of Peter Southwood's articles focus on the immediate vicinity of Cape Town, which would mean a disproportionate level of Main Page coverage would be concentrated into a very small geographical area. That's all well and good, but by next winter/spring it will have been nearly three years since we ran a dive guide - and there's certainly no denying the quality of Peter's work. Perusing the ranks of Guide-level dive guides, this one struck me as fairly interesting, and would be the first time we've ever featured a shipwreck on the Main Page.

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  • Support as nominator. Looks reasonably complete, with the exception of the "Photography" subsection, which consists in its entirety of a note the author left for himself: "(photographic equipment suggestions)". Perhaps Peter can fill that in for us; if not, it would seem not to be of such vital importance that we couldn't delete it or at least <!-- hide --> the parenthetical memo. -- AndreCarrotflower (talk) 02:19, 31 January 2018 (UTC)
Aaaaaand the above problem has already been addressed! -- AndreCarrotflower (talk) 05:53, 31 January 2018 (UTC)
Yes, I was just about to come back here to say so. The article is, as you say, fairly complete and up to date. I would be happy to see it feature on the Main Page. I am also open to suggestions to improve the general appearance - layout of photos etc. • • • Peter (Southwood) (talk): 06:24, 31 January 2018 (UTC)
  • Support I also thought about nominating one of Peter's diving articles for sometime in early 2019. Speaking of Cape Town, I learned yesterday that the city has severe problems with its water reserves (also see the warning box in the article), don't know how much this affects diving travellers who probably have access to cars and boats and thus can easily eat, drink, sleep and buy supplies e.g. 200 kms away if needed. And according to Previous_Featured_travel_topics we've had dive guides as FTT in January 2013 and May 2016, so this will only be the third time. ϒpsilon (talk) 12:07, 31 January 2018 (UTC)

Winter in the Nordic countries[edit]

Place: Winter in the Nordic countries
Blurb: Snow, ice, winter sports, northern lights, Santa and an interesting cuisine — there are many reasons to visit the Nordic countries in the winter! (should not exceed ~145 characters)
Article status: Guide (must be guide or above).
Time to feature: November, to get the most out of the article
Nominated by: ϒpsilon (talk) 17:16, 9 February 2018 (UTC)
Comment: Yes, we've probably never had as many FTT nominees before as we have now, but many of them are guaranteed not to be seen on the Main Page before 2019, so how about running this one right at the threshold of the winter? We've been working on the article for a few months and while some minor polishing is still needed, I'd say the article is at guide status by now.

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  • Support --ϒpsilon (talk) 17:16, 9 February 2018 (UTC)
  • Support. We're actually fully stocked with FTTs up to and including November 2018 (as Hobbitschuster said, I don't think concerns about an overabundance of U.S. destinations really apply to an article specifically about not visiting that country), but IMO it would actually be better to run this in December — it would make a nice holiday feature. Article looks complete, no complaints or issues from me. -- AndreCarrotflower (talk) 17:31, 9 February 2018 (UTC)
December is fine too. ϒpsilon (talk) 19:25, 9 February 2018 (UTC)
While November and December are usually terrible for winter sport (short days and little snow), articles should on principle be featured well before the desirable season. /Yvwv (talk) 19:55, 9 February 2018 (UTC)
Historically, consensus has disagreed with the above philosophy on when to feature. However, it's perhaps worth mentioning that "December" FTTs actually spend more time on the Main Page in January than in the previous month. -- AndreCarrotflower (talk) 20:02, 9 February 2018 (UTC)
"Well before the season" is applicable when featuring it during the season in practice would mean a prospective traveler would have to wait until the next season (e.g. the Inca trail nomination above), and this is not the case here. On the other hand, the article is not only about winter sports but also the Christmas season and the Polar night among others. December is fine, but I would rather not have it postponed until January, let alone February. ϒpsilon (talk) 20:28, 9 February 2018 (UTC)
The peak holiday for Nordic ski resorts is Easter, which in 2019 is on April 21st. A December/January slot would be prospective for skiers, and in synch with those who want to experience the polar night. /Yvwv (talk) 21:38, 9 February 2018 (UTC)
Sounds like December is a good month, then. -- AndreCarrotflower (talk) 03:57, 10 February 2018 (UTC)