Wikivoyage:Destination of the month candidates

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Here we determine which articles are featured on the Main Page as Destination of the month (DotM), Off the Beaten Path (OtBP) and Featured travel topics (FTT).

Nominate[edit]

You can nominate any article you would like to see featured. Any destination, region, itinerary or event that passes the "What is an article?" test is eligible for nomination.

However, before nominating, please check that the article follows these basic guidelines:

Well-known and/or popular destinations should be nominated as Destination of the Month, while more obscure destinations should be nominated for Off the Beaten Path. Travel topics, phrasebooks, itineraries and other articles should be nominated for Featured Travel Topic. Where applicable, you should propose a good time to visit the destination as a month to be featured.

The basic format of a nomination is as follows:

{{FeatureNom
| place=Destination
| blurb='''[[Destination]]''' is a place of contrasts, and as such it...
| status=Guide
| time=March-June
| nominatedBy=~~~~
| comment=Great article and it's just luvvly-jubbly in the springtime.
| DotMImage=[[File:Destinationimage.jpg|thumb|300px]]
}}

Add a nomination to the end of the appropriate section.

Discuss[edit]

You can comment on any nomination based on timeliness and adherence to the criteria above, just add a bullet point (*) and your signed opinion.

===[[Destination]]===
Great article and it's just luvvly-jubbly in the springtime. TravelNut 25:25, 31 Feb 2525 (EDT)
* Looks nice, but shouldn't the Do section contain more than just quilting contests? ~~~~

Please note that the following are not considered valid reasons to oppose a nomination:

  • "I don't like it." All objections have to be based on the guidelines above: poor formatting, missing information, etc. Personal opinions, dislikes, etc. do not count.
  • "Wrong time of year." Articles are supported or opposed based on their content. Timing can be worked out later.
  • "Wrong type of place." Articles are supported or opposed based on their content. Whether it's DotM or OtBP can be worked out later.

Select[edit]

If an article gets several comments in favor and none against for a week or so, it's eligible to be placed in an appropriate time-slot in the Upcoming queue. If the objections are relatively minor and are being worked on, add them to the Upcoming queue tentatively (add a question mark "?" after the article). Feel free to move the queue around or swap articles if it makes sense. If a nomination clearly does not make the grade and if the objections are not easily fixable, they go into the Slush pile.

Once a nomination has been scheduled, an appropriate banner image and text blurb must be selected. Go to Wikivoyage:Destination of the month candidates/Banners to start that discussion.

Archive[edit]

Discussions for previously selected destinations are kept in the Archive.

Upcoming[edit]

Schedule[edit]

The following queue should contain about six months' worth of upcoming destinations. Note that new DotMs are rotated in on the 1st of each month, OtBPs on the 11th and travel topics on the 21st.

Month DotM OtBP FTT
December 2018 Denver Baños Winter in the Nordic countries
January 2019 Yaoundé - pending fixes and stronger consensus to support Chatham Islands - pending fixes and stronger consensus to support Indonesian phrasebook - pending fixes and stronger consensus to support
February 2019 Zurich - pending fixes and stronger consensus to support Khasab - pending fixes(?) Diving the Cape Peninsula and False Bay/SS Lusitania - pending stronger consensus to support
March 2019 Siem Reap - pending fixes and stronger consensus to support Chapel Hill Judaism - pending fixes and stronger consensus to support
April 2019 Istanbul - pending fixes and stronger consensus to support Bouzigues Jazz - pending stronger consensus to support
May 2019 Kaunas Pleasanton - pending fixes(?) and stronger consensus to support Roman Empire - pending fixes and stronger consensus to support

These are not cast in stone, and the order can be changed if, for example, an excellent guide for a timely event is found. Whenever a guide becomes a current feature, it should be removed from the list, the discussion archived, and (when changing out Featured Travel Topics) a new month added to the end of the queue. Alternatives are OK; the whole point is to enable some discussion as needed.

Next change[edit]

Decisions regarding which images to use as the banners are made at Wikivoyage:Destination of the month candidates/Banners.

The section below provides an opportunity to see what the upcoming featured articles will look like on the Main Page using the banners that are currently most popular on the above page.

Destination of the Month[edit]

Yaoundé

Cameroon's capital may be short on tourist attractions per se, but it's a hotspot for business travellers to Africa, with lively markets and interesting architecture.

Off the Beaten Path[edit]

Chatham Islands

Endemic plants and birds, rugged landscapes, and a blend of three cultures await you in this archipelago at the end of the world.

Featured Travel Topic[edit]

Winter in the Nordic countries

Snow, ice, winter sports, northern lights, Santa and an interesting cuisine — there are many reasons to visit the Nordic countries in the winter!

Updating[edit]

On the date of the scheduled change, the DotM, OtBP, or FTT should be changed as close to midnight UTC as possible. When the featured page is changed, please follow the following procedures to do so and archive content to the appropriate pages. At each stage, please double-check that you are correctly moving content.

  1. Update the featured articles on the main page by replacing the current 'banner' template section with those of the appropriate banner for the new DotM/OtBP/FTT found in the Next change section above.
  2. Update the Photo credits page with the banner's original image, title and attribution.
  3. Add the former featured article to the appropriate archive page: Previous Destinations of the month, Previously Off the beaten path, or Previous Featured travel topics.
  4. Remove Template:Featurenomination from newly featured article.
  5. For the former featured article, add the appropriate parameter to the pagebanner template (directly after the image filename) to label the page as having been featured previously.
    • For former DotMs, add: dotm=yes
    • For former OtBPs, add: otbp=yes
    • For former FTTs, add: ftt=yes
  6. Archive the newly featured article's nomination. Simply cut-and-paste the nomination section of the newly featured article from this page to Wikivoyage:Destination of the Month candidates/Archive.
  7. Update the Next change section above by adding the banner from the discussion page. View the table in the Schedule section above to determine what next month's change will be, then update the image and blurb in the "Next change" section with that found in the upcoming featured article's nomination.
  8. Archive the newly featured article's banner by cutting-and-pasting all banner suggestions and the associated discussion into Wikivoyage:Destination of the month candidates/Banners/Archive.

Nominations for Destination of the Month[edit]

Berlin[edit]

Place: Berlin
Blurb: Germany's capital was at the heart of the Cold War and still bears the scars of wars and partition, but it is quickly reclaiming its place as one of Europe's - if not the world's - top cities. A vibrant cultural scene and surprisingly affordable prices make this "poor but sexy" city a draw for visitors and residents from all over the globe (again, I am not too happy with my blurbing skills) (should not exceed ~145 characters)
Article status: Usable, but imho only because nobody has promoted it to Guide yet; all districts are usable or guide, so that's not what's keeping it Guide (must be guide or above).
Time to feature: any - Berlin weather is terrible year round (though Spaniards falling in love with Berlin summer on holiday only to be miserable during their winter-Erasmus are surprisingly common) and there is really something to do all year (which might explain why Hertha BSC has trouble attracting fans)
Nominated by: Hobbitschuster (talk) 17:45, 26 July 2017 (UTC)
Comment: I know we have more than enough German language places "in the pipeline", but I just wanted to get this nominated there's no rush to get this actually featured; it can well languish here if some considerations make this necessary, but in case we have to slush something on short notice, I want this to be ready

Nomination
Bikinihaus Berlin-1210760.jpg
  • Comment - this is currently rated at usable, simply because I did not unilaterally want to promote it to guide. I think it is quite ready, but a bit of copy-editing might still be necessary. At any rate, we can safely hold this one in reserve (we have a lot of Central European places and topics as is imho) until we need an emergency replacement Hobbitschuster (talk) 17:47, 26 July 2017 (UTC)
  • Almost some sections are listy, and then there are listings in See and Do that should be moved to the district articles. As such, I'd say there is enough information in the article so that the average visitor wouldn't have to consult another travel guide. Therefore, it can probably be upgraded to guide status. --ϒpsilon (talk) 19:03, 26 July 2017 (UTC)
  • Close, the main problem being the issue Ypsi brought up about "See" and "Do" listings that need to be devolved to district articles (there also seem to be some "Do" listings that violate our tour policy and should thus be deleted outright). Also, though it's not usual practice to do so, I wonder if there's anything that can be done about the exhaustive list of embassies and consulates in "Cope". If not, no big deal - Berlin is a national capital, after all - but it seems pretty Yellow Page-y. -- AndreCarrotflower (talk) 22:51, 30 July 2017 (UTC)
  • Another thing: The article currently has no routebox whatsoever. How important should the existence and completeness of a routebox be for featuring? Hobbitschuster (talk) 15:34, 2 August 2017 (UTC)
  • Before featuring, I'd like somebody to go over the language and a sprucing up of the district blurbs. Otherwise I think the article is fine and getting better. And the district layout now makes sense for the most part, though I am still not 100% sure what to do with Wedding... Hobbitschuster (talk) 20:09, 23 March 2018 (UTC)
  • Weak support. I would support this completely, except that the "Do" section has some problems and the article seems to be understand- and get in- heavy. Selfie City (talk) 01:15, 25 May 2018 (UTC)
  • Comment: I'm not a regular participant on this project, just someone who came to read this particular page. I noticed that quite a few of the external links in the museum section need to be changed, as they're leading to 404-pages. Other than that, I found the article informative. Risker (talk) 05:47, 12 December 2018 (UTC)

Sarajevo[edit]

Place: Sarajevo
Blurb: Surrounded by mountains on three sides, in this meeting point of east and west a range of sights present the city's dramatic and interesting history. (should not exceed ~145 characters)
Article status: Guide (must be guide or above).
Time to feature: May-Sep as a summer destination, though there are also some winter events and winter sports facilities (actually the 1984 Winter Olympics was held here)
Nominated by: ϒpsilon (talk) 17:58, 1 October 2017 (UTC)
Comment: We've never featured any article from anywhere in the Balkans, so let's amend that now! The article has been extensively edited as of lately, so we don't need to run everything through Google to check if it's up to date like we usually have to. I don't see any major problems with the article, but it does have a ton of See listings. Discussion is underway for what to do with them (see numerous threads on Talk:Sarajevo), but there is almost a year until the article will appear on the Main Page anyway, so there is plenty of time to make decisions and take action. When that is resolved, I'll upgrade my vote to full support. Good that we this time we have several people around who know the destination.

Nomination
Sarajevo view.jpg
  • Conditional support per comment. ϒpsilon (talk) 17:58, 1 October 2017 (UTC)
  • I would say districtification would probably be necessary before it gets promoted to Star, but for purposes of DotM I think the status quo works fine. There are no other problems with the article either, so I gladly vote support and send out my congratulations to User:Loaoa for his/her impressive contributions. -- AndreCarrotflower (talk) 22:41, 2 October 2017 (UTC)
  • Support. I agree that districtification isn't needed for dotm right now, though if the article gets too much longer it might be worth considering. —Granger (talk · contribs) 01:00, 12 October 2017 (UTC)
  • Support. Article is very readable, and although there are many See items, they are properly sectioned so I don't think that districtification would provide an added value here. Article looks very complete, why isn't this a Star yet? ArticCynda (talk) 16:57, 20 January 2018 (UTC)
Because the Star nominations page is in practice dead since the last couple of years.ϒpsilon (talk) 17:11, 20 January 2018 (UTC)
But feel free to nominate it if you think that's warranted. Ikan Kekek (talk) 02:39, 21 January 2018 (UTC)
So does that mean we're not nominating Stars anymore? And if so, why is that? ArticCynda (talk) 20:51, 2 February 2018 (UTC)
We are working to increase the number of active Wikivoyage editors. In the interim, however, it has sometimes proven difficult to sustain consistent participation in certain features of the site. -- AndreCarrotflower (talk) 20:54, 2 February 2018 (UTC)
  • Support. It's pretty long, but in general I think the article looks like a fine feature. Selfie City (talk) 01:21, 25 May 2018 (UTC)

Yaoundé[edit]

Place: Yaoundé
Blurb: Cameroon's capital may be short on tourist attractions per se, but it's a hotspot for business travellers to Africa, with lively markets and interesting architecture. (should not exceed ~145 characters)
Article status: Guide (must be guide or above).
Time to feature: Dec-Mar (dry season)
Nominated by: ϒpsilon (talk) 19:47, 11 March 2018 (UTC)
Comment: Ticking one more of the never before featured regions off the list — Central Africa (and we haven't had an African DotM in a while!). Yaoundé has extensive articles in German and French so I've translated those and then used Google to get stamp out closed businesses and other outdated info. I recently asked a docent to Yaounde (retired, won't ping them again) and he/she had a quick look at the article and said there's nothing important missing. So... what do you say? Do we have a suitable winter article right here?

Nomination
Musée National du Cameroun 01.JPG
  • Support as nominator, I guess. ϒpsilon (talk) 19:47, 11 March 2018 (UTC)
  • Tentative support. Impressive work. My only concern is that many of the listings just have general locations rather than exact addresses, but I don't know how realistic it is to give exact addresses in Cameroon. —Granger (talk · contribs) 11:33, 11 April 2018 (UTC)
  • Comment: Is it possible to make a map of the districts or to organize them differently? Although the text claims it is "helpful" to know, that list is extremely long. Are they all equally useful or could the most useful be listed while the others are dropped or grouped together somehow? Maybe just list the ones the traveler are most likely to visit/be directed to along with any to avoid?

There are a bit too many pictures and some of low quality and appeal that could be deleted. Are all of the "cuisine" listings specific to Yaounde or could some be moved to the general Cameroon page? Most of them seem like general Cameroon foods. For those that are relevant, do we have listings for places where you can eat them? Are the supermarkets necessary? It looks like contentless clutter. Overall, it's a decent article, but the large amount of lists kind of overshadow the listings that do have content. ChubbyWimbus (talk) 11:47, 11 May 2018 (UTC)

  • Support Looks pretty great! There's a lot of good information here. I think we should nominate this, and that way we can get an African destination as a DotM. Selfie City (talk) 13:24, 25 May 2018 (UTC)
  • Not yet, possibly not at Guide status. This article needs pretty extensive work before it can be featured. There are a lot of pointless overlong lists, such as in the "Orientation", "Buy", and "Eat" sections, that seem to function as filler more so than imparting any truly valuable information. For instance, is it really necessary to list every single residential neighborhood in the city, with seemingly no regard to the presence or absence of anything interesting to visitors in each one? I'd say confine the list to quartiers that contain at least one POI or are prominent enough to be mentioned elsewhere in the article, and delete the rest. Similarly with the naked bullet-point listings for "small markets [that] can be found all over the city"; are they really interesting to visitors, or are we including them just for the sake of having them? And I echo ChubbyWimbus' comments about the "Eat" section; most of these are Cameroonian dishes in general rather than specific to Yaoundé, and thus belong in Cameroon#Eat. Also, there are a lot of naked POIs with no blurbs, or blurbs that consist only of directions to the place. Can we find information on all these places, or should they be deleted too? And - perhaps most importantly - if we find that most of this information is indeed mostly fluff, and have to delete it, will there be enough left in this article that it's truly at Guide status? -- AndreCarrotflower (talk) 15:14, 7 June 2018 (UTC)
  • Comment For the record, I've removed most of the districts, moved the dishes to the Cameroon articlen and hidden the small markets and supermarkets. --ϒpsilon (talk) 18:31, 14 July 2018 (UTC)

Zurich[edit]

Place: Zurich
Blurb: Switzerland's largest city and financial centre is famous for winter sport, festivals, nightlife and luxury shopping. (should not exceed ~145 characters)
Article status: Guide (must be guide or above).
Time to feature: Anytime 2019. Winter allows skiing. Spring and summers are full of festivals, and autumn is beautiful.
Nominated by: Yvwv (talk) 15:50, 10 May 2018 (UTC)
Comment: A stable article with the essentials. Nominated in 2016-17; comments requested a restructuring of the See section, a broader selection of photos, and a Talk section. A history section would also improve the article.

Nomination
Zurich in night1.jpg


  • Comment: We slushed this article last year. The comments in the archived thread should be a good barometer of what issues still need to be addressed before Zurich can be featured. -- AndreCarrotflower (talk) 16:09, 10 May 2018 (UTC)
One objection was the excess of Germanophonic destinations. That is no longer an issue. /Yvwv (talk) 15:30, 11 May 2018 (UTC)
History, climate and language sections have been added. /Yvwv (talk) 12:05, 24 May 2018 (UTC)
I would argue that we still tend to have too many Germanophone destinations "in the pipeline" to feature any that is merely "meh". If there is an outstanding article, by all means, we should feature it, but if we have to chose from articles of similar quality, geographic balance should be one of the tiebreaking factors imho. Hobbitschuster (talk) 12:15, 24 May 2018 (UTC)
  • Support. I think the article is okay for a DotM, but the latter parts of the article need more pictures and the article itself could probably do with fewer listings - they're pretty overwhelming and hard to maintain for us. Selfie City (talk) 23:38, 24 May 2018 (UTC)
Could Zurich make April 2018? It is Sechseläuten, and some nearby ski resorts are still open. /Yvwv (talk) 13:32, 16 June 2018 (UTC)
No, that was already two months ago. :D ϒpsilon (talk) 14:19, 16 June 2018 (UTC)
D'oh! April 2019, I mean. / Yvwv (talk) 13:53, 1 July 2018 (UTC)
  • Close Some listings still need coordinates, and the bottom third of the article could use some photos. ϒpsilon (talk) 14:19, 16 June 2018 (UTC)

Siem Reap[edit]

Place: Siem Reap
Blurb: Right next to Angkor Wat, Siem Reap is full of sights and experiences. (should not exceed ~145 characters)
Article status: Guide (must be guide or above).
Time to feature: Nov-Apr
Nominated by: ϒpsilon (talk) 18:42, 29 May 2018 (UTC)
Comment: The nominations page is filled to the brim with (Northern Hemisphere) summer destinations, but many of next winter's slots are still open. So how about this one for next winter's traditional Southeast Asian Dotm; we haven't presented anything from Cambodia since January 2009. Many listings are probably outdated, but as always it's probably better to deal with that closer to the time the article gets featured. Otherwise, the article is quite tidy and certainly not lacking content, so up-to-dateness is really the only reason why I'm not giving the article a full support yet. And yeah, the latter 3/4 of the article definitely needs some photos.

Nomination
Siem Reap street.jpg
  • Conditional support per comment. ϒpsilon (talk) 18:42, 29 May 2018 (UTC)
  • Support, except for one issue: in the "drink" section, there are several listings with no content. Selfie City (talk) 02:41, 1 June 2018 (UTC)
  • Close. In addition to the foregoing issues, "Get in" needs to be redesigned: there are lots of bullet-point lists that ought to be turned into prose, as well as pseudo-section headers of italicized text that need to be brought in line with proper Wikivoyage format. Secondly, the "Sleep" section is too long: just because the choice of accommodations is "seemingly inexhaustible" doesn't mean we need to list every single option; let's keep the best and get rid of the rest. Also, there are lots and lots of listings without geo coordinates. -- AndreCarrotflower (talk) 14:49, 7 June 2018 (UTC)
Yes, I think that's right, actually. I didn't really notice that at first. Selfie City (talk) 01:34, 20 June 2018 (UTC)

Metro Cebu[edit]

Place: Metro Cebu
Blurb: Second largest urban area in the Philippines with the country's second busiest airport. Outlying parts have many beaches, reefs, dive sites & resorts plus the country's most important site for bird watching. (should not exceed ~145 characters)
Article status: Guide (must be guide or above).
Time to feature: Any, but probably best in northern hemisphere winter
Nominated by: Pashley (talk) 13:29, 30 June 2018 (UTC)
Comment: This article was Collaboration of the month for June 2018 & is therefore now rated Guide. It is the main transport hub for the southern Philippines. Many visitors choose to enter the country via Mactan-Cebu International Airport (CEB IATA) rather than via Manila, both because this airport is easier on travellers & because it is more centrally located in the country.

Nomination
Lapu - lapu Statue in Cebu, Philippines.jpg
  • Support as nominator. Pashley (talk) 13:29, 30 June 2018 (UTC)
  • Of course, this is being mentioned now the article finished its period as COTM. I think it's good to have a region article, and while this one could do with some more information still in some sections, I think it's quite a good idea. It's all up-to-date information due to the CotM and all the places underneath it are decent, as we know, so I'm supporting this nomination. Selfie City (talk) 23:07, 30 June 2018 (UTC)
  • Unsure, looks like all the subarticles listed in the Cities section are usable and most of the article looks OK. But Eat and Drink seem a little bit short. --ϒpsilon (talk) 20:38, 13 July 2018 (UTC)
Most travellers will visit only Cebu City and perhaps Lapu-Lapu, so the fact that most of the other articles on towns within the area are barely usable does not bother me much. Clearly improving them would be good, but it is not essential. The exception would be Talisay (Cebu) which is fairly large & important.
On the other hand, it would be nice to get the main cities up to Guide. I think Cebu is close, but it could use copy edits & more under Eat & Drink. L-L has problems; Drink is empty and there are only two Eat listings, far from ideal when you consider it is a tourist town & population is over 400,000. Pashley (talk) 15:44, 19 July 2018 (UTC)
I was a little unclear. Subarticles need only to be at usable status, and all of them are, which is good. It would certainly do no harm to have some of them at guide status, but they do not need to be. Secondly, I see no big problems with the article, though Eat and Drink looked a bit short. So there's no need to replace this one with Cebu City or Olango Island or some other article. ϒpsilon (talk) 16:24, 19 July 2018 (UTC)
  • Instead of making this region article DotM, there are two places within it that might be nominated instead, Cebu City (the area's main tourist destination) for DotM and Olango Island for OtBP (a strange one, about an hour's travel from an international airport but off the main tourist path). Neither is currently rated Guide, but I think both are close. Pashley (talk) 16:01, 19 July 2018 (UTC)
A possible advantage of this as DotM is that it was created here rather than on WT before the split, as were Olango Island & I think some of its other subordinate articles. This might be good for SEO. Pashley (talk) 17:31, 24 July 2018 (UTC)
Another option on the cards is Alona Beach. It’s only at usable status at the moment, but with some more work it could be at guide status. The problem is coordinates there, though — the place is so crowded in that it’s hard to be sure about them. --Comment by Selfie City (talk about my contributions) 14:42, 3 September 2018 (UTC)
The Cebu City article has now been promoted to Guide. The article for the region's other main destination, Lapu-Lapu, still does not have good Eat or Drink sections. Pashley (talk) 12:37, 12 September 2018 (UTC)
  • The Magellan-Elcano circumnavigation reached the Philippines in March 1521. In April they went on to Cebu City, their most important destination in the country, and Magellan was killed in a battle in what is now the city of Lapu-Lapu, named for the opposing chief. Both those cities are now part of Metro Cebu, so the 500th anniversary in April 2021 might be a good time to feature this article. Around then might also be a good time for the Magellan article. Pashley (talk) 22:52, 25 September 2018 (UTC)
The Magellan article should definitely be run next summer when they started the journey. Even if there'd be some really good excuse to postpone the Magellan article until then, if the reason to run Metro Cebu in April 2021 would be Magellan's visit there, we should not run the articles simultaneously, as we traditionally don't want to feature several articles with the same theme too close to each other.
If Metro Cebu needs to wait until 2021, it should (like London/Hampstead) be parked in the slush pile until when it's time to move it to the schedule. ϒpsilon (talk) 19:08, 21 October 2018 (UTC)
It does not need to wait until then, but it could. Pashley (talk) 00:34, 3 November 2018 (UTC)
Featuring articles in tandem with timely events is well and good, but I really wish that people would stop suggesting we hold nominees off for years and years for the sole purpose of making them coincide with some far-in-the-future event (see also: Birmingham, Alabama). A long period of time spent languishing on this page means that an article that was ready to go when it was nominated might well be full of outdated information by the time it actually goes on the Main Page. Magellan-Elcano circumnavigation is slotted for a summer FTT next year, but there's no reason we couldn't run a destination in the Philippines within the same general timeframe: by definition, a round-the-world voyage is not attributable to any geographical region in particular. Metro Cebu's "Time to feature" indicates a preference for the Northern Hemisphere winter, anyway, so it was a moot point from the getgo. -- AndreCarrotflower (talk) 00:44, 3 November 2018 (UTC)
Indeed. Sorry for sounding harsh, but after my comment in January where I was concerned about how long articles nowadays sit around on the Main Page there have been quite a few nominations that will have to wait for quite some time, and there have been many suggestions that this or that article should wait until 2020 or even 2021. ϒpsilon (talk) 20:54, 3 November 2018 (UTC)

Istanbul[edit]

Place: Istanbul
Blurb: Turkey's largest city is divided between Europe and Asia. Once the capital of the Byzantine and Ottoman Empires, it remains a world metropolis today. (should not exceed ~145 characters)
Article status: Guide (must be guide or above).
Time to feature: Spring or autumn
Nominated by: Yvwv (talk) 21:17, 10 July 2018 (UTC)
Comment: A lenghty article with elaborate district articles. The history section could use more text. Slushed in 2010, but has improved a lot since then. Except the recently featured Ottoman Empire, Turkey has hardly ever been on our front page. A new airport will open this autumn.

Nomination
İstanbul 4228.jpg
  • I want to vote oppose on political grounds (Yeah, I know, I am a major class A hypocrite, having been there this year) but I know we don't do that here, so *shrug emoji*. That said, if we have an article of equal quality and similar geographic position and so on, we should prefer that over this... Hobbitschuster (talk) 00:52, 11 July 2018 (UTC)
    • The ethics of tourism to authoritarian countries (or countries which have become more authoritarian during recent years) have not been issues against featuring destinations in China, Thailand, or Qatar. There is no clear evidence that tourism to such countries would either erode or support democratization, so IMO it is a question for each individual traveller's conscience. /Yvwv (talk) 12:44, 25 July 2018 (UTC)
      • Agree with Yvwv. The current regime in Turkey is certainly not my favorite, but I have no issues with the fine people of Turkey. But perhaps keep clear of politics in this context. Istanbul is one of the great cities of the world and deserves a proper article. --Erik den yngre (talk) 11:51, 3 September 2018 (UTC)
  • Almost Pretty comprehensive article, and the districts range from excellent to decent (all are usable, and a couple of them probably deserve guide status). The main issue I have with the article is the overuse of bullet points in some sections towards the end of the article, and among them a manual of style warning box. Also, if there are things to update, the new airport and possibly other things, they certainly need to be updated. Though anything that is updated today should probably be checked up again a month before the article is featured.

It should be up to the travelers, not us, to decide what they think about Turkey, and whether they'd like to travel there or not. ϒpsilon (talk) 16:48, 2 August 2018 (UTC)

  • Almost. There are some formatting issues and a manual of style issue with the article, but I think these can be fixed. Selfie City (talk) 00:09, 6 August 2018 (UTC)

Istanbul is one of the world's great cities. I'd say that, whatever the political situation, if the article is up to scratch & there are no travel advisories against going there, then we should obviously feature it. Pashley (talk) 12:47, 12 September 2018 (UTC)

Birmingham (Alabama)[edit]

Place: Birmingham (Alabama)
Blurb: Once the South's premier industrial center and later notorious for its role in the Civil Rights Movement, the "Magic City" is on the rise once again thanks to a growing population of trendy young urbanites. (should not exceed ~145 characters)
Article status: Guide (must be guide or above).
Time to feature: Mar-May or Sep-Nov (midsummer is very hot and muggy)
Nominated by: AndreCarrotflower (talk) 02:19, 5 August 2018 (UTC)
Comment: We have room for one more U.S. DotM in 2019, and here's my preferred candidate. I visited Birmingham in 2012 and found it a fascinating anomaly (a Southern city founded around steel mills and a railroad junction, rather than cotton fields?), with industrial relics that look like they could have been plucked out of Buffalo or any other Northern Rust Belt city. I'm especially looking forward to making DotM banners for this one; I have a couple really nice source-image candidates in my personal archives.

Nomination
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  • Very close, and I don't envision the fixes requiring more than a few days' work. Many listings are missing geo coordinates and there are a few of the wrong type (I'm talking specifically about the "Buy" section here), much of "Do" needs to be moved to "See", and the "Get in", "Get around", and "Go next" sections could use some further development. -- AndreCarrotflower (talk) 02:19, 5 August 2018 (UTC)
  • Needs work, as André just said. Coordinates, descriptions for many listings in Buy and Sleep, and of course photos. And when adding coordinates, closed attractions and businesses should be removed. BTW this is the only U.S. DotM candidate in 2019 so far, though there are indeed a huge number of American OtBP candidates. ϒpsilon (talk) 09:17, 5 August 2018 (UTC)
  • Comment Birmingham has been chosen to host the 2021 World Games. If we could coincide our feature with that event, I think we should. Hobbitschuster (talk) 09:38, 5 August 2018 (UTC)
I think we should definitely get back in the habit of synchronizing our featured articles with timely events that will be occurring at the respective destinations, but forcing a nominee to wait nearly 3 years on that basis before being featured would be unprecedented and unwarranted. -- AndreCarrotflower (talk) 17:47, 5 August 2018 (UTC)
Look, I really don't want to play the "I've been here longer than you and know what I'm talking about" card, but let me repeat myself: making nominees wait three years to be featured is something we simply don't do here. The more time passes between when an article is checked over and when it goes on the Main Page, the more of a chance there is for restaurants, bars or hotels to close or change their opening hours, URLs to go dead, new attractions to open their doors, etc. There have actually been instances when we've thrown nominees on the slush pile rather than having them languish on the DotM nominations page for too long. Now I'm sure there are plenty of other events taking place in 2021 that we can coordinate with a DotM feature, and three years is more than enough time to make whatever improvements are necessary to whatever article we choose. -- AndreCarrotflower (talk) 00:26, 6 August 2018 (UTC)
Also, Pleasanton is tentatively scheduled for May 2019, and the fact that Great Basin National Park has to wait until 2020 has nothing to do with the DotM column, but rather with the fact that there are so many U.S. OtBP nominees. -- AndreCarrotflower (talk) 00:29, 6 August 2018 (UTC)
Makes sense. How important are the 2021 World Games? Selfie City (talk) 00:33, 6 August 2018 (UTC)
  • Comment - Not ready yet. I just moved the "Learn" section of naked names to the talk page, but there is a longish list of mere names of shopping malls in "Buy". Ideally, too, everything in a fixed location should have geo. Ikan Kekek (talk) 07:34, 27 October 2018 (UTC)

Oslo[edit]

Place: Oslo
Blurb: Norway's capital and largest city has a heritage back to the Viking Age, and is known for winter sport venues and sustainable architecture. (should not exceed ~145 characters)
Article status: Guide (must be guide or above).
Time to feature: Late winter for snow, May for National Day, summer for city-life
Nominated by: Yvwv (talk) 23:18, 2 September 2018 (UTC)
Comment: The only Nordic capital yet to be featured. Lots of buildings finished during recent years. While still one of the world's most expensive cities, the krone has fallen since its record level around 2013 (from 0.18 US$ to 0.12).

Nomination
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  • Could do with some work, but otherwise looks like a quite a good nomination. As the previous sentence suggests, I have some fairly minor concerns with nominating this article. But before I get to them, I think we ought to go with summer if possible for this nomination. I can imagine that Oslo is too cold to be enjoyable for tourists during much of the year. Even if it isn't too cold, if we post up Oslo in February on the main page, most people will think that it's cold and they won't want to go there.
Now to the nitty-gritty. When you nominate a huge city article (that is, one with districts underneath it), you are nominating the districts as well as the city article itself. The Oslo Center District article is only at usable status, and while most of the article sections in that district article look fine, the "Do" section has only one listing — one listing. And while "see" makes up for this with a total of 17 listings, the lack of "Do" listings makes it obvious that there are things you can do in downtown Oslo not mentioned in this article. If there are any "see" listings that are actually things to do, then this is not a concern, since we can just move those "see" listings down to the correct section. I also noticed a marker for "Do" that was in the "Get around" section.
The Western Oslo district article has no "Understand" section and is rated at usable; the Inner North, North, Inner East, and South district articles are all rated at usable status. So can we consider the huge city article to be at guide status if all the district articles underneath it are rated at usable status? While I think a lot of these district articles could be promoted to guide status, not all of them could.
On the other hand, however, none of these district articles are terrible, and the huge city article has quite a lot of information. So I think some work should go into the lower-level articles, but the huge city article looks good. Next summer it would be nice to see this on the front page if we can get the above-listed work done by then. --Comment by Selfie City (talk about my contributions) 23:38, 2 September 2018 (UTC)
    • For cities it is not always clear how to sort items into Do, Drink and See. For instance Rockefeller (a major concert venue) I would list under Do, now it is listed as Drink. Erik den yngre (talk) 11:31, 3 September 2018 (UTC)
  • Comment — Oslo is a fairly important center for winter sports (especially as a spectator sport), so we can very well run it during the winter too (and then of course the cold weather is part of the experience). I'm afraid this is going to sit around until summer 2020, though, as the summer of 2019 is fully booked; matter of fact if Kaunas is moved up to the DotM page, I think or some other DotM from Europe is likewise going to be left sitting around until 2020 :/ .
When it comes to city districts, they only need to be usable (but all of them do have to be usable) for the main city article to be guide. Think of it this way, city articles are divided into districts when/because they are so stuffed with listings that they become unwieldy. This by definition means that the city article has enough listings for guide status and the Main Page, the listings have only been distributed around several district articles for easier reading and usage.
All in all, I remember the Oslo article was in a pretty good shape when districtifying it almost exactly two years ago, though the article and the listings in the districts could benefit from an update closer to the time when we run it on the Main Page. --ϒpsilon (talk) 13:21, 3 September 2018 (UTC)
Thanks, Ypsilon, this is very helpful. I have a couple questions, though:
  1. What about May? Is that open?
  2. Why does it have to wait 2 years? We don’t have 24 DOTM nominations. --Comment by Selfie City (talk about my contributions) 14:53, 3 September 2018 (UTC)
We can only fit so many articles in the summer slots and most places in Europe, USA and Canada are best featured from May-Sep. These are the parts of the world we cover best by far (probably because most of the en-WV community comes from these parts of the world) and therefore the summer tends to be "sold out" more or less one year ahead. Right now we have quite many European DotM candidates (somewhat comparable to the situation of American OtBP candidates) and to keep the Main Page varied, we really don't want to have European DotMs for, say, four months straight in the schedule. Then comes the autumn and except for nominees from the Mediterranean (or for the US, from places like Florida, Hawaii or California) or places that are suitable for a winter visit, the next time European, US and Canadian articles can be featured weather-wise is late next spring. ϒpsilon (talk) 16:51, 3 September 2018 (UTC)
Well I plan to nominate York for a November or a December slot. It's not ready yet, though.
I see no problem with a winter slot for Oslo, but haven't looked at the article yet.--ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 17:41, 3 September 2018 (UTC)

Portland (Oregon)[edit]

Place: Destination
Blurb: Oregon's largest city attracts young Americans looking for a sustainable lifestyle. (should not exceed ~145 characters)
Article status: Guide (must be guide or above).
Time to feature: northern summer
Nominated by: Yvwv (talk) 13:11, 1 October 2018 (UTC)
Comment: Slushed in 2010, but has grown a lot since then. Has all the essentials of a city article.

Nomination
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  • Not yet — at a first glance it looks like a solid article, but some listings lack description (most notably in the Sleep section). The article has a huge number of Eat listings (83!). Yes, some of them are local chains with several restaurants but still... ϒpsilon (talk) 15:49, 5 October 2018 (UTC)
  • If being complete means adding even more length and listings to an already overlong and over-listy article, as Ypsilon said (and I agree with him), then the answer is that Portland needs to be districtified first. -- AndreCarrotflower (talk) 15:52, 5 October 2018 (UTC)
Interestingly, districtification has already been discussed three times on Talk:Portland (Oregon). ϒpsilon (talk) 13:39, 6 October 2018 (UTC)

Kaunas[edit]

Place: Kaunas
Blurb: Lithuania's second biggest city boasts a beautiful old town and a vibrant cultural life. (should not exceed ~145 characters)
Article status: Guide (must be guide or above).
Time to feature: May-Aug (there was an open slot in June 2019???)
Nominated by: ϒpsilon (talk) 18:52, 12 August 2018 (UTC)
Comment: In 2014 I spent some time cleaning up and updating this article, hoping to see it on the Main Page as DotM or OtBP (Kaunas is one of those places that aren't really on the beaten path but not really off either) but that did never happen. There's a lot of information in all sections but it needs to be updated before we run the article, also there are some POIs added later that lack coordinates.

Nomination
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  • Support, but those updates need to be done a little before the article is featured. --ϒpsilon (talk) 18:52, 12 August 2018 (UTC)
  • Support, but as the second-largest city in the country, I think this is a DotM rather than an OtBP. -- AndreCarrotflower (talk) 18:57, 12 August 2018 (UTC)
Could work as both DotM and OtBP, it's a major city but in one of the lesser visited parts of Europe. If it wouldn't result in too many European articles in the DotM section (which I was afraid it would), feel free to move it up there. ϒpsilon (talk) 19:06, 12 August 2018 (UTC)
I think there's more in the OTBP section than DOTM, so it would make sense to be moved to DOTM. Also, I haven't voted on this one yet, and from what I've seen it looks quite good, and I support. What I would like to see however, considering the Pleasanton nomination I made, is longer descriptions for listings in Kaunas' eat section. Selfie City (talk) 19:23, 12 August 2018 (UTC)
I guess Kaunas should be moved up to the DotM section, then. I'll try to expand the listings when running them through Google maps a few weeks before the article is featured. --ϒpsilon (talk) 10:35, 21 August 2018 (UTC)
No objections, so I'll move Kaunas up to DotM now. ϒpsilon (talk) 16:00, 5 October 2018 (UTC)

Support --ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 08:11, 13 August 2018 (UTC)

Fukuoka[edit]

Place: Fukuoka
Blurb: Warm weather, a friendly populace, and a relative lack of chaos combine to make Kyushu's lively yet laid-back hub city a great introduction for first-time visitors to Japan. (should not exceed ~145 characters)
Article status: Guide (must be guide or above).
Time to feature: Mar-Nov, Jul and Aug less preferable due to heat and humidity
Nominated by: AndreCarrotflower (talk) 00:19, 3 November 2018 (UTC)
Comment: Our Summer 2019 schedule is chock full of U.S. and European destinations; here's something different.

Nomination
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  • Very close, and the fixes are fairly easy. The "Do" section is the biggest problem: it contains plenty of content but is disorganized. Many of the listings belong in other sections: "See", "Buy", "Eat", and even "Go next"; the rest should be broken down into subcategories. In addition, "Eat" could use a few more restaurant listings to go with the copious information about local specialties, there are many listings without coordinates, and the lede needs to be expanded and made more interesting. -- AndreCarrotflower (talk) 00:19, 3 November 2018 (UTC)
  • Needs work. André already listed the article's issues. The fact the so many listings lack coordinates may indicate that they have been added before we introduced coordinates and dynamic maps here on WV, so we should check if the establishments still exist.ϒψιλον (talk) 21:27, 3 November 2018 (UTC)

Nominations for Off the Beaten Path[edit]

Yuryev-Polsky[edit]

Place: Yuryev-Polsky
Blurb: Smack-dab in the middle of the Golden Ring tourist circuit yet relatively little visited, this sleepy old Russian town is gathered around a magnificent 13th-century cathedral. (should not exceed ~145 characters)
Article status: Guide (must be guide or above).
Time to feature: Jun 2018 preferred, otherwise Apr-Aug
Nominated by: AndreCarrotflower (talk) 04:02, 23 November 2017 (UTC)
Comment: Ordinarily I'd be hesitant to nominate an article that needs so much work before featuring (see my comments below), but several factors converge to make Yuryev-Polsky IMO the best choice for the still-vacant June 2018 OtBP slot.

For one, the geographical options are limited:

  • the nearby articles on the bracket trend very heavily toward Northwestern Europe (Erlangen OtBP May 2018, Höfn OtBP July 2018, Wales DotM July 2018)
  • through the end of 2018, we're already saturated with the maximum number of North American nominees we can handle (Underground Railroad, FTT July 2018, took the last available slot),
  • the convergence of Downtown Shanghai (DotM May 2018) and Ottoman Empire (FTT May 2018) would make an Asian feature awkward (especially given that we want to stay away from more equatorial regions like the Arabian Peninsula, the Indian Subcontinent, and Southeast Asia around midsummer), and
  • for similar reasons of uncomfortably hot weather, Mediterranean Europe is also less than ideal for a June-July Main Page sojourn.

Secondly, it's worth noting that other than Yuzhno-Sakhalinsk - a Siberian wilderness backwater closer to Seattle than Moscow - it's been since 2013 that we've featured a Russian destination on the Main Page.

Finally: though this article appears to be a more-or-less straight translation of its analogue on ru: and there's little if anything more to be gleaned from translating from there, it bears emphasizing that Yuryev-Polsky is part of the "Golden Ring" tourist circuit of Russian historic cities, so the chances are good that we can glean additional information from the Internet to flesh out the listings.

Nomination
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  • Not yet, though the problems with this article are easier fixes than it may look like at first blush. The most demanding task here is the need to flesh out the "Get around" section. (For starters, it looks like much of the prose in the "Orientation" subsection of "Understand" could be retooled and moved there.) There are many others which, while also major deficiencies, require relatively little actual work to fix:
  • There is no dynamic map, nor any geo coordinates for the listings.
  • The bullet-point lists in the various "Get in" subsections should be converted to prose, and in "By plane", we might want to give directions to the town from the various Moscow-area airports.
  • The "Eat" and "Sleep" sections might need to be expanded; "Drink" definitely does.
  • "Go next" and "See" need to be reformatted to conform with Wikivoyage convention.
  • The article looks like it could use a thorough copyedit.
-- AndreCarrotflower (talk) 04:02, 23 November 2017 (UTC)
I'll take your word for all the things that need to be fixed, but one quick and tangential comment: There is no convergence between Shanghai and the Ottoman Empire. You might as well say there's a convergence between Tierra del Fuego and Alaska, considering the distance and cultural differences involved. Asia is the world's largest continent, and I believe that featuring two places at entirely opposite ends of the continent at the same time should never be considered any kind of issue by us. Ikan Kekek (talk) 04:10, 23 November 2017 (UTC)
Yes, but as I said, the majority of Asia is unsuitable for featuring in summer for climatic reasons (which incidentally is why we see a disproportionate abundance of Asian destinations in the Northern Hemisphere fall and winter; this year's relative lack thereof is an anomaly). The Ottoman Empire at its height stretched as far east as Iran and the Caucasus, we already have a Chinese feature, and anywhere south of there is a no-go for the summer. Among regions for which we have Guide-level articles, what other than Russia is left? Japan, which we've seen plenty of on the Main Page in recent years (Kurashiki, Kyoto, Taketomi, Nagoya) and what else? Not much as far as I can see. -- AndreCarrotflower (talk) 04:16, 23 November 2017 (UTC)
I get your point. What else there is, I would say, would be primarily hill stations and mountainous areas. There are actually a fair number of them. We featured Shimla some time ago, for example. Ikan Kekek (talk) 04:23, 23 November 2017 (UTC)
Parenthetically, "convergence" referred to those two destinations converging on the schedule into relative proximity to one another and to a hypothetical additional Asian feature, not to any presumed cultural or geographical redundancy between them. -- AndreCarrotflower (talk) 04:33, 23 November 2017 (UTC)
  • Needs work — André already brought up most things that need to be fixed in the article. In addition several prices given as per 2008, so everything in the article should probably be checked up.
And yes, summer in Northern Hemisphere usually means rain in the tropics north of the Equator (the same goes for Austral summer in the southern tropics) and the during that time of the year places like the Arabian desert are only for hardcore fans of hot weather. So viable Asian places to visit during Jun-Sep probably amount to Russia, some of Central Asia, some of East Asia, and then places in the southern tropics like most of Indonesia. --ϒpsilon (talk) 17:43, 23 November 2017 (UTC)
BTW I came up with an alternative to this one, see #Piton de la Fournaise below. ϒpsilon (talk) 19:14, 17 December 2017 (UTC)
Slush? ϒpsilon (talk) 20:09, 30 April 2018 (UTC)
André? (also, see #Venice's nomination above, probably that one should also be slushed when we're at it) ϒpsilon (talk) 14:33, 16 June 2018 (UTC)
Why the push to slush? Just because we didn't feature Yuryev-Polsky this year doesn't mean we can't feature it next year. Also, Venice is already on the schedule for September, with several months remaining in which its problems can be ironed out. (And please don't underestimate the possibility of that; Underground Railroad is a great example of an article that went from extremely problematic to feature-ready in a short period of time. Thanks go to K7L for his efforts, BTW.) -- AndreCarrotflower (talk) 14:49, 16 June 2018 (UTC)
  • Almost. The fact that this whole article doesn't have one coordinate marker almost immediately gave me doubts about it. Also, it would be nice if see and do had some listings beside man-made structures. The understand and get in section seem to make this article okay until you realize that the article only has one picture, excluding the banner. Selfie City (talk) 23:59, 24 May 2018 (UTC)

Kamphaeng Phet[edit]

Place: Kamphaeng Phet
Blurb: Otherwise known for ancient walls, forts, temple ruins and Buddha statues, Thailand's "banana capital" holds a ten-day festival to promote its sweet and aromatic fruit. (should not exceed ~145 characters)
Article status: Guide (must be guide or above).
Time to feature: September preferred, but could be anytime
Nominated by: RJFF (talk) 21:47, 9 December 2017 (UTC)
Comment: Worth visiting, but little frequented. The banana festival in September is Thailand's longest provincial fair.

Nomination
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  • Support, but what's with the non-standard "Nearby" section? That's not how we handle that kind of thing. Those listings need to be merged into either "See"/"Do" or "Go next". -- AndreCarrotflower (talk) 03:35, 10 December 2017 (UTC)
A "Nearby" section is explicitly proposed in the guideline WV:Region article template ("If something is in a tiny rural village too small to justify its own local article, (...) adding a section 'Nearby' in an adjacent city article (before the 'Go next' section).") and also explained in WV:Article templates/Sections#Nearby. "Go next" should only include places that have their own article (but these scattered, rural destinations do not warrant articles of their own), while I find it confusing to place points that are up to 65 km off the main city under the "See"/"Do" sections. To me, the "Nearby" section seems to be the perfect solution for this case. --RJFF (talk) 11:52, 10 December 2017 (UTC)
I argued with another user a few months back about this Nearby section, which apparently is real. Yes, if an attraction is far outside the city it's misleading to put it in the city article's See or Do section (perhaps then in the surrounding region's See or Do). But given that very few articles in practice have it, it does look strange and out of place and I think Nearby should be a subsection of Go next instead it's own section.
  • Support. My instinct is to think the "Nearby" section should be merged to "See"/"Do", but I don't feel strongly about that at all. —Granger (talk · contribs) 12:21, 10 December 2017 (UTC)
  • Support — I don't really have anything to complain about, save for the Nearby section which I think should be a subsection of Go next. ϒpsilon (talk) 14:45, 10 December 2017 (UTC)
  • Support. I agree with Granger and AndreCarrotflower that the "Nearby" section should be removed and its content put somewhere else, but it's otherwise a well-formatted article with plenty of useful information that will be good as an OtBP. Selfie City (talk) 02:06, 5 June 2018 (UTC)
  • Is this one going to sit here until September 2019 (as per time to feature)? In that case, I believe we'll need one more nominee for one of the spring months 2019. ϒpsilon (talk) 18:44, 4 August 2018 (UTC)
I had indeed envisioned this for September 2019. We actually need two more spring 2019 OtBPs - April and June (leaving room for Gaspé Peninsula in August) - as well as DotMs for May 2019 (I have one in mind for May that I'll be nominating shortly), July 2019, and everything past September 2019. Oddly enough, we've come to a point now where FTTs are pretty consistently the most well-stocked of the three categories. -- AndreCarrotflower (talk) 18:54, 4 August 2018 (UTC)
The nice Bouzigues article TT has been working on is one that I'd really really like to see as OtBP; maybe next spring :). Ilulissat is another one (per Wikivoyage_talk:Destination_of_the_month_candidates#Unfeatured_regions), though at the moment we have quite many OtBP candidates from North America.
For DotM, Kaunas is one article I've had my eyes on for several years (yes I know, there's currently a ton of European DotM candidates, but over the years we've had surprisingly few DotMs from Europe east of the former Iron Curtain). Kaunas could work as OtBP too. ϒpsilon (talk) 19:40, 4 August 2018 (UTC)

Chapel Hill[edit]

Place: Chapel Hill
Blurb: A scenic campus, ultra-popular sports teams, and the buzz of research and learning at the home of North Carolina's flagship public university. (should not exceed ~145 characters)
Article status: Guide (must be guide or above).
Time to feature: August–November or January–March (to get the real Chapel Hill experience, you've got to come when the students are in town)
Nominated by: —Granger (talk · contribs) 02:10, 10 December 2017 (UTC)
Comment: At Wikivoyage talk:Destination of the month candidates#Unfeatured U.S. states, Ypsilon pointed out that no North Carolina destination has ever been featured—let's change that!

Nomination
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  • Support as nominator. Thorough article; I don't notice any major omissions or problems. —Granger (talk · contribs) 02:10, 10 December 2017 (UTC)
  • Support, and a case could also be made for DotM rather than OtBP. Again, though, please understand that given the abundance of current U.S. nominees, Chapel Hill is going to have to wait till 2019. -- AndreCarrotflower (talk) 03:34, 10 December 2017 (UTC)
  • Support Looks good. With so long time before the article goes on the Main Page, a few weeks before it does we need to check that everything is still up to date. --ϒpsilon (talk) 15:07, 10 December 2017 (UTC)
  • Support. Unlike Keenjhar Lake, Chapel Hill is a very complete article that should be a DotM, especially when you consider that North Carolina has never had a DotM article. Someone could definitely make a vacation out of the Chapel Hill article, which is the kind of service we want every article to be. Selfie City (talk) 22:48, 24 May 2018 (UTC)

Khasab[edit]

Place: Khasab
Blurb: Off the tourist path, this strategically placed town harbors a former Portuguese fort and modern Iranian smugglers. (should not exceed ~145 characters)
Article status: Guide (must be guide or above).
Time to feature: Nov-Mar probably, as per w:Khasab#Climate
Nominated by: ϒpsilon (talk) 18:16, 31 March 2018 (UTC)
Comment: One of our nice Omani guide articles, which I just polished a little bit. I guess everything important is in the article, given that this is a pretty small and non-touristy town. Musandam Peninsula has been OtBP, but that was back in December 2013, so it shouldn't be a problem.

Nomination
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  • Support as nominator. ϒpsilon (talk) 18:16, 31 March 2018 (UTC)
  • Hmm... I think it needs work. The Car Rentals should be a subheading of "By Car" which should just briefly state how easy/difficult it is to get around by car (by the looks of the map, it may just need to say "Most sites are located along Khasab Road"). If there are no rentacycles, "By bike" might not be worth mentioning. The "See" section could use a bit more information. The first listing is okay, but the second site states it's in city with some dubious conjectures. The Irani Smugglers bit is kind of interesting but it doesn't seem to make sense as a listing. Overall, more concrete information about the sites would be nice in the "See" section. In the "Eat" section, convenience store ice cream isn't worth a listing. The "Drink" section should have some actual listings (places other than the hotel that serve alcohol and places to get the mentioned smoothies). I don't think it's far off, but a bit more information and listings would really help. ChubbyWimbus (talk) 13:24, 12 May 2018 (UTC)
  • Weak support. I'm not crazy about some of the formatting, but I still support this nomination. Selfie City (talk) 02:10, 5 June 2018 (UTC)
  • Weak support. I agree with what ChubbyWimbus identifies as the article's weaknesses, but I don't think they're quite as big a deal as he makes them out to be. -- AndreCarrotflower (talk) 15:19, 7 June 2018 (UTC)
  • Conditional support. I agree in essence with ChubbyWimbus's comments. Most of the fixes are fairly straightforward, although there is a bit of organizational and formatting work to do. A couple of the bulleted points in 'get around' I think should be converted to simple prose. The second listing, Al Khmazera Castle, does in fact exist, but I haven't seen it myself and so can't comment on the worthiness of its inclusion here. The listing for the Dhow Port should be moved to 'do', because this is where visitors will pick any boats for dhow cruises or snorkeling and diving excursions. The information about Iranian smugglers is relevant (as it accounts for possibly most of the traffic in the port area); however the smugglers operate out of a different area of the port which should be described and/or geotagged.
The 'do' section should be reorganized, into port-related activities (dolphin-watching cruises, snorkeling excursions, etc.) and other activities. The information about Jebal Harim ('Mountain Safari') should be expanded in the related article about the Musandam Peninsula, as the mountains are outside of Khasab proper and covered, albeit briefly, in the second article.
In the food and drink section, the ice cream listing and the bulleted points in 'drink' should be converted to prose. Regarding actual listings in 'drink', it's been a few years since I visited the place, but I don't recall seeing any juice bars – juices you would commonly order in a restaurant anyway. The handful of cafés I saw were the exclusive domain of local men and not terribly welcoming, and I didn't try any of them. Perhaps other visitors have tried them however and can comment.
I see by looking at the OSM map that there's a newly-opened large hotel on the south side of the port. Given the dearth of accommodation in the town, a listing for this should be added.
StellarD (talk) 12:16, 17 June 2018 (UTC)
Thanks a lot for updating and polishing the article, StellarD. ϒpsilon (talk) 10:00, 14 August 2018 (UTC)
I'm not quite finished yet, but am happy to help. :) StellarD (talk) 11:05, 14 August 2018 (UTC)

Pleasanton[edit]

Place: Pleasanton
Blurb: This city near the Silicon Valley has a cosmopolitan feeling with international cuisine, racial diversity, and a architecturally-rich downtown. (should not exceed ~145 characters)
Article status: Guide (must be guide or above).
Time to feature: Oct-Nov or Mar-May are the optimal months due to climate, but Dec-Feb could also work
Nominated by: Selfie City (talk) 01:48, 23 May 2018 (UTC)
Comment: I’ve significantly expanded this article over the last few months and it now seems ready for being on something like this. On May 26, I also added a different banner that really improves the presentation of the article.

Nomination
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  • Support, not just because I’m the nominator and I know the area well, but also because this is now a well-developed article about the place. Selfie City (talk) 01:48, 23 May 2018 (UTC)
  • Qualified support - You've done great work and I trust you that this content-laden guide is comprehensive. However, some work remains. I just made these edits for brevity, and I think the whole article could probably merit the same kind of careful reading and editing for style and brevity. Also, I see the Main Street sign arch in at least 3 pictures, so I think 2 of those should be removed from the article. The remaining images should be distributed a bit more evenly through the article, not bunched up, thereby leaving areas without images. A further comment would be that "By car/Driving" looks too detailed for visitors. I agree with naming and describing the most important roads, but for the rest, I'd rather let readers consult a map. I'll look more closely at other sections another time and may have more comments. Ikan Kekek (talk) 09:04, 23 May 2018 (UTC)
I have done some work removing two pictures and removing some listings from "By car/Driving". I will now do some reorganizing of the pictures. Selfie City (talk) 13:25, 23 May 2018 (UTC)
I can get to work on the listings. I don't know a lot about every business I've listed (some, hardly at all), but I could add to some of the listings. Selfie City (talk) 01:56, 30 May 2018 (UTC)
Also, ϒpsilon, having improved the listing in the "eat" section of Pleasanton, I have gone back and checked the link you made to the archive. Pleasanton only has 80,000-90,000 inhabitants, so I would say it's probably OtBP as I initially stated. Selfie City (talk) 14:30, 30 May 2018 (UTC)
AndreCarrotflower: I'm assuming you are referring to the listings in the sections "buy", "drink", and "sleep", which definitely need more information. I'll get to work on this right away. Selfie City (talk) 18:36, 7 June 2018 (UTC)

Letchworth State Park[edit]

Place: Letchworth State Park
Blurb: Upstate New York's "Grand Canyon of the East", where the Genesee River tumbles over a trio of spectacular waterfalls, preserved through the generosity of a prominent 19th-century industrialist. (should not exceed ~145 characters)
Article status: Guide (must be guide or above).
Time to feature: May-Oct; as a popular "leaf peeping" destination, Sep or Oct would be especially ideal
Nominated by: AndreCarrotflower (talk) 15:30, 7 June 2018 (UTC)
Comment: Originally I had hoped to feature a Buffalo district as OtBP in summer 2019, two years after Historic Churches of Buffalo's East Side's stint as FTT. But given the scope of what needs to happen to those articles between now and then - updates to weed out closed businesses and add listings to new ones, shortening lengthy blurbs, and possibly further subdividing the articles themselves, not to mention wrapping up the Gaspé Peninsula project at the same time - any such feature will likely have to wait until 2020. Here's a good article to run in its stead.

Nomination
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  • Support as nominator. I'm interested in hearing the thoughts of Powers, the article's principal author. -- AndreCarrotflower (talk) 15:30, 7 June 2018 (UTC)
  • Almost: any issues can most likely be fixed before this is featured. This article should be more helpful to the traveler before being turned into an OtBP. For example, the climate subsection is completely empty, buy, eat, and drink should have more content, and only the sleep section has any coordinate markers. A good article needs plenty of coordinate markers, especially for attractions like this one, so people know exactly where the attractions can be found. The good thing is that the lack of coordinates is an easily problem to solve and can be easily done before this is featured. When we've fixed the coordinate issues, we should also add a dynamic map (that's what they're called, right?) so tourists get a better idea about the place. Still, it looks like a really nice place for Off the Beaten Path. Selfie City (talk) 18:33, 7 June 2018 (UTC)
Selfie City - the reason why "Buy", "Eat", and "Drink" don't have more content is because there isn't much content to add in the first place. State parks aren't shopping or nightlife meccas; what more do you feel needs to be said about the few unremarkable gift shops within the park boundaries? As for "Eat", the Glen Iris Inn is a renowned fine-dining restaurant, but we have a policy of not double-listing the same establishment in multiple different sections, so all the information is in "Sleep". As for the coordinate markers, policy says they're not required in articles with static maps (which include the markers directly on the image file, making coordinates redundant). However, I agree with you that this particular static map is pretty useless and we'd do well to jettison it in favor of a dynamic one, which would entail adding coordinates to the listings. -- AndreCarrotflower (talk) 16:03, 8 June 2018 (UTC)
I've solved some of the problems by merging eat and drink - however, more information about the Basics would be useful. Also, I understand that coordinates are not required for articles, but I still think they're extremely useful to the traveler and should be included in any one of our featured destinations. Selfie City (talk) 16:15, 8 June 2018 (UTC)
  • Very close...heck, I'll say support right away. Adding someting to the climate section and coordinates to the couple of listings that still lack them (it can be useful even if there isn't an embedded dynamic map in the article; readers can click on the icons and open one), and perhaps a photo in the end of the article are things that anyone can do in a couple of minutes. ϒpsilon (talk) 19:01, 8 June 2018 (UTC)
  • Support, with the additions of a climate section and one or two more photos showing off the landscape. --ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 17:23, 10 August 2018 (UTC)

Great Basin National Park[edit]

Place: Great Basin National Park
Blurb: Ironically considering its name, this mountainous national park includes juniper forests, caves, a gorge, and the great Wheeler Peak, one of Nevada's highest mountains. (should not exceed ~145 characters)
Article status: Guide (must be guide or above).
Time to feature: Apr-Oct; particularly Apr-Jun or September
Nominated by: Selfie City (talk)
Comment: I think it could do with a little work that I can mostly likely do in expanding some sections, but at the same time not a lot more can be said. What's existing in the article is what is there, so I think in general this article is pretty complete and would definitely be appropriate for OtBP. I was originally going to do somewhere else but I think this one will work well, actually.

Nomination
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  • Support as nominator. Selfie City (talk) 02:03, 20 June 2018 (UTC)
  • Comment: Due to how many OtBP candidates are already waiting in the wings (and how many of those are U.S. destinations), there'll be no room for this one on the Main Page till 2020 at the earliest. Let's hold off on any additional OtBP nominees for awhile. -- AndreCarrotflower (talk) 02:35, 20 June 2018 (UTC)
Yes, sure. Selfie City (talk) 14:02, 20 June 2018 (UTC)
  • Very close – some listings need coordinates and some of Understand's subsections could perhaps be expanded. --ϒpsilon (talk) 09:29, 5 August 2018 (UTC)

Bouzigues[edit]

Place: Bouzigues
Blurb: In the sleepy oyster capital of France, walking the seafront and the old town alleys is an enjoyable experience (should not exceed ~145 characters)
Article status: Guide (must be guide or above).
Time to feature: April 2019 as per discussion in #Kamphaeng Phet above? Otherwise probably Apr-Oct
Nominated by: ϒpsilon (talk) 09:09, 5 August 2018 (UTC)
Comment: As discussed in the Kamphaeng Phet thread above we need some articles to feature during the spring 2019. Here's a nice and well-written little article of a nice little Mediterranean town. I don't see anything that would need to be fixed, probably everything in the town is already in the article and it could be featured today. Also, this will only be the fourth overall feature and first OtBP from mainland France — by looking at how few French articles we've had on the Main Page it's hard to believe it's the most visited country in the world.

Nomination
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  • Support --ϒpsilon (talk) 09:09, 5 August 2018 (UTC)
  • Support. Looks ready to go. -- AndreCarrotflower (talk) 15:19, 5 August 2018 (UTC)
  • Support. I think it could do with some more information in some sections, but at the same time I wouldn't say it "needs work". It's also not a North America destination, which is good considering the schedule. Selfie City (talk) 00:16, 6 August 2018 (UTC)
  • Support, obviously, though I'm honoured this would be noticed and liked by others. I would look to improve it still further by adding some more history and organising the restaurants by price. --ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 12:16, 10 August 2018 (UTC)
    • BTW, it should be featured when there's an R in the month, which is when mussels and oysters are harvested (so basically not May-August). April or September would be ideal. --ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 12:19, 10 August 2018 (UTC)
      • There's an open slot in April with Bouzigues' name on it. -- AndreCarrotflower (talk) 15:51, 10 August 2018 (UTC)

Chatham Islands[edit]

Place: Chatham Islands
Blurb: Endemic plants and birds, rugged landscapes, and a blend of three cultures await you in this archipelago at the end of the world (should not exceed ~145 characters)
Article status: Guide (must be guide or above).
Time to feature: January 2019 urgently needs an OtBP. Otherwise Dec-Mar.
Nominated by: ϒpsilon (talk) 18:28, 21 October 2018 (UTC)
Comment: I thought something from NZ could fit in nicely in the empty slot on the schedule, and together with AlasdairW we've made some tweaks to this article, which was already in a quite good shape. It's almost ready for the main page, some listings and perhaps the Understand section still need some improvement.

Nomination
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  • Support as nominator. ϒpsilon (talk) 18:28, 21 October 2018 (UTC)
  • Weak support, with only minor fixes necessary to upgrade that to full support. In reading the article, I found it hard to get a real sense of the place. I think the intro lede, the "Understand" section, and a lot of the section ledes need to be fleshed out to something more than just rote information about geographical location, population, lists of species of endemic wildlife, etc. I'd much prefer to see lively prose used to paint a picture for the reader. What makes the Chatham Islands special and worth a visit? Also, the "See" section could be better organized; categories like "man-made attractions" cover an awfully broad range of types of places. -- AndreCarrotflower (talk) 15:15, 22 October 2018 (UTC)
  • Support I have been to other New Zealand islands, but not here. However doing some edits on this article has increased my desire to make the trip, despite the expensive flights. Although the islands are remote, there is a reasonable amount of information online, and some edits have been done by an editor who was there a year ago - I am reasonably happy that it is up to date. I have expanded Understand, but maybe the prose could be more lively. There is not a great selection of large images on commons, but I think that there will be enough to make a banner. AlasdairW (talk) 22:05, 26 October 2018 (UTC)

Ilulissat[edit]

Place: Ilulissat
Blurb: Iceberg spotting doesn't get much better than in this colorful town on the shore of Greenland's Disko Bay, home to as many sled dogs as people. (should not exceed ~145 characters)
Article status: Guide (must be guide or above).
Time to feature: As close to midsummer as possible.
Nominated by: AndreCarrotflower (talk) 01:49, 3 November 2018 (UTC)
Comment: I once remarked that "I would love to see somewhere in Greenland on the Main Page", and wouldn't you know it, a year later we have a viable candidate (and one remaining Summer 2019 schedule slot to fill)!

Nomination
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  • Support as nominator. Looks reasonably ready, but there are a few listings in the "Do" section (Arctic Adventure and Sports Centre Ilulissat) that lack descriptions. Also, are we sure all the tours listed in the "Tour companies" section are value-added? --AndreCarrotflower (talk) 01:49, 3 November 2018 (UTC)
  • Support. There are a few redlinks and the "Understand" section could be better, but I think we can do it for a particularly off-the-beaten-path DOTM. --Comment by Selfie City (talk | contributions) 05:14, 3 November 2018 (UTC)
  • Support as the one who polished up the article a little while ago. ϒψιλον (talk) 21:28, 3 November 2018 (UTC)

Nominations for Featured travel topic[edit]

Judaism[edit]

Place: Judaism
Blurb: Over its long and often fraught existence, the world's oldest monotheistic religion has left its mark on history and culture all over the world — from the Holy Land to Europe to East Asia to the Americas. (should not exceed ~145 characters)
Article status: Guide (must be guide or above).
Time to feature: Anytime
Nominated by: AndreCarrotflower (talk) 18:35, 17 September 2017 (UTC)
Comment: As a discussion on this article's talk page indicates, many of us have had their eye on this article as a possible FTT for some time now. Though it's recently been elevated to Guide status and is thus eligible to be nominated (preferably for the March 2018 FTT slot which is currently vacant), Ikan Kekek earlier had expressed some doubts as to whether the article was yet complete enough to be featured. I'd love to hear whether, four months after having originally made that comment, his opinion has changed.

Nomination
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  • Despite being the nominator, I can't in good conscience vote "support" for the article as is. However, we have a goodly amount of time to attend to its needs, which as I see them comprise adding geo coordinates for all the listings in "Cities" and "See" that don't yet have them, as well as lengthening descriptive blurbs in most cases, and perhaps expanding the "Eat", "Drink", and "Buy" sections (in descending order of how much additional detail IMO should be added). This may not be an exhaustive list of the article's issues (again, I hereby solicit Ikan's opinion on the matter) but again, the March '18 slot is vacant. -- AndreCarrotflower (talk) 18:35, 17 September 2017 (UTC)
  • The article is in much better shape than before, due to a lot of hard, smart work. I think there are still some more cities that should be added, and we also may want to think about what should be in "Cities" and what should be in "See". Ikan Kekek (talk) 19:44, 17 September 2017 (UTC)
  • Conditional support As I said on the talk page some coords are still missing, but on the other hand I don't know much about Judaism so I can't myself tell if everything important is in the article. But I'm ready to support the article when Ikan and other central contributors think it looks good for the main page. ϒpsilon (talk) 19:59, 17 September 2017 (UTC)
So... is this still "work in progress"? There are two months before it's scheduled to be featured and it doesn't have even one full support vote. Sure, like with most travel topics, we can feature them anytime of the year but still... ϒpsilon (talk) 20:12, 19 January 2018 (UTC)
  • I would solicit the opinion and comments of Ar2332, whose great work is most responsible for the great improvements in this article. Ikan Kekek (talk) 20:19, 17 September 2017 (UTC)
    • There is still work to be done. The "See" section is generally missing sites in Israel. The "Cities" section still needs work, in terms of content and focus. The relationship between the "Cities" and "See" sections needs to be clarified. Ar2332 (talk) 22:01, 17 September 2017 (UTC)
  • I agree with Ar2332. The "city" and "See" sections seem like they should be merged. The distinction is really unclear. ChubbyWimbus (talk) 02:36, 18 September 2017 (UTC)
  • March/April would be suitable, as it coincides with Passover/Easter. /Yvwv (talk) 05:10, 20 September 2017 (UTC)
Again, the March 2018 FTT slot is vacant, and I intended to fill it with this. -- AndreCarrotflower (talk) 05:17, 20 September 2017 (UTC)
  • This is indeed still a work in progress, as the relationship between "Cities" and "See" still needs to be clarified. I think this is a "Not yet" for now. Ikan Kekek (talk) 11:09, 20 January 2018 (UTC)
I'd suggest places with several Jewish sites should go in Cities, and these sites would be described in the listing of the city. "Standalone" attractions, ie. those that are in cities that aren't otherwise notable for their Jewish heritage can be listed in See. I can help with adding coordinates for sites and cities but not really much more.
Andre, looks like we need a plan B for March's FTT. Should we move Ottoman Empire, Advice for nervous flyers or something else to March (making room for Vikings and the Old Norse in the summer) or run Hostels? ϒpsilon (talk) 10:28, 28 January 2018 (UTC)
Vikings and the Old Norse still needs quite a bit of work before it goes on the Main Page, IMO, and with Ottoman Empire the question would be what to replace it with in the May 2018 slot. I'd say the least disruptive course of action would be to run Hostels in March. -- AndreCarrotflower (talk) 15:11, 28 January 2018 (UTC)
Yes Done. As for this article, it's come a long way and will make a fine feature when the "Cities"/"See" issue is sorted out, so I'm going to refrain from slushing it and instead say that it would make a good feature for next year's Passover. -- AndreCarrotflower (talk) 00:51, 29 January 2018 (UTC)

Roman Empire[edit]

Place: Roman Empire
Blurb: The Roman Empire encircled the Mediterranean two thousand years ago and left many marvellous ruins. Its heritage has influenced much of the world. (should not exceed ~145 characters)
Article status: Usable (deserves a higher grade) (must be guide or above).
Time to feature: Spring or autumn
Nominated by: Yvwv (talk) 04:56, 20 September 2017 (UTC)
Comment: A highlight in the historical travel series. The marker counter is capped at 99; maybe we can find a workaround?

Nomination
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  • I want to vote Support here, because it's a well-written article on one of my personal favorite historical subjects. However, I'm not sure if the marker counter being capped at 99 is a bug so much as a feature. The plain fact of any article having over 99 listings (even a travel topic article, and especially an article with a dynamic map) is a pretty big red flag for me that says maybe we need to think about whether all of these places really need to be listed, or whether it should be split up into smaller articles (much as previous FTT Fundamentals of flying was), perhaps with Roman Empire itself serving as sort of a "Huge City" analogue: a summarization of and portal to the more fine-grained information in the daughter articles. -- AndreCarrotflower (talk) 05:29, 20 September 2017 (UTC)
  • Conditional support. The 99 problems (now I got Jay-Z's song on continuous replay in my head, thanks a lot :P) need to be fixed. One possible workaround would be splitting them up geographically (e.g. 1. today's Italy, 2. France+Iberia, 3. British Isles+Central Europe+Benelux, 4. Balkan+Greece, 5. Turkey+Middle East, 6. Northern Africa) and use different markers for destinations in different regions. ϒpsilon (talk) 11:04, 20 September 2017 (UTC)
  • Not yet; there are just too many listings. I think many of them should be pushed down to destination articles and just a summary (maybe with listing for cities, but not individual attractions) kept here. A recent discussion of a similar issue is at Wikivoyage:Travellers'_pub#Downtown_Shanghai. Pashley (talk) 18:31, 20 September 2017 (UTC)
  • Almost. The listing types should be changed to use different colours, and to avoid the present problem of having eight #1 listings. Individual listings should be trimmed to remove phone numbers, hours, prices etc, and these should be in a linked destination article. A bigger job is that all the destination articles need to be checked to see that they have related listings with the full details - I found four listings in Algeria linked to Batna but only one was in the very outline article. I don't think that there are too many listings - I would actually say the reverse that there are a few sights are missing (no Antonine Wall in Scotland). A few listings might be combined, but not many as most listings appear separately on the map at a zoom of 8. AlasdairW (talk) 20:45, 20 September 2017 (UTC)
Well, what does a good article do? Does it include every possible listing, or does it try to avoid overwhelming the reader with too much information (not to mention the static map with too many markers, a problem that the proposed color-coding solution doesn't address)? I think the answer is pretty clearly the second option. I think this article really needs to be split up in the same way as Flying is split up into Planning your flight, At the airport, On the plane, and Arriving by plane. -- AndreCarrotflower (talk) 21:16, 20 September 2017 (UTC)
Breaking it out into Roman Britain, Roman France etc would be fine, just having a paragraph about the countries with more than a dozen or so listings, with a link to a country article. On reflection, a paragraph introducing each country would be a worthwhile addition (when was this territory part of the Roman Empire etc). AlasdairW (talk) 21:51, 20 September 2017 (UTC)
Let's remember that unless we're fine with having laundry lists of attractions, if the main Roman Empire article is splitted up, we also need to add more content to each of those subarticles. ϒpsilon (talk) 16:45, 23 September 2017 (UTC)
  • Comment. I really look forward for a solution to the "99 problems" and the completion of this article - it's very incomplete yet (p. ex. Skopje and Sevastopol both deserve to be mentioned), as I stopped adding to it when this bug got evident. For the record, I don't like very much the idea of splitting up the article, as it has already been very useful to me for reference purposes, both on planning stages for trips, and on the field itself. Having said that, I can very clearly see Pashley's point stated above, and don't want to suggest any hint of being "jealous" or "possessive" about what is written in the article. To be brief: Not yet. Ibaman (talk) 15:49, 4 October 2017 (UTC)
    • The Ottoman Empire is now nominated as an FTT. IMO, that article should go first. /Yvwv (talk) 18:37, 26 October 2017 (UTC)
  • Slush? Still only at usable status. Moreover, we'll have Vikings and the Old Norse in the summer of 2019, and I've envisioned Magellan-Elcano circumnavigation for a summer month 2019 too, as it will be 500 years since that journey started. And three historical topics within about half a year is perhaps a little too much. --ϒpsilon (talk) 20:15, 30 April 2018 (UTC)
  • Weak support in the long term. I'm not sure why Palmyra is a red marker and all the others are green, but other than that, the article seems well-developed and good enough to be guide status. However, with several other historical topics (like the Ottoman Empire) this summer, and all the issues addressed above, let's leave this nomination up here a little while longer and maybe see this article develop some more. Selfie City (talk) 04:23, 25 May 2018 (UTC)
Because Palmyra was largely destroyed by IS. Ikan Kekek (talk) 19:17, 25 May 2018 (UTC)
That makes sense (I've read a book about the city), but I still think the red marker will be more confusing than informative. Also, it interrupts the flow of the numbered listings (it shows up as listing #1 but would normally be #38). Selfie City (talk) 23:21, 25 May 2018 (UTC)

Vikings and the Old Norse[edit]

Place: Vikings and the Old Norse
Blurb: The Old Norse were the ancestors of Scandinavians. The most famous were the Vikings; sailors who ventured around Europe and across the Atlantic in the 8th to 11th centuries. (should not exceed ~145 characters)
Article status: Guide (must be guide or above).
Time to feature: April-September. Preferrably June/July or July/August, as most outdoor events take place in summer.
Nominated by: Yvwv (talk) 04:54, 28 December 2017 (UTC)
Comment: The article has grown over time, and now has an impressive history section, and a long list of destinations.

Nomination
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  • Comment: It's interesting and likely to get my vote, but a quick read of the first few paragraphs demonstrated to me that this article is going to need to be edited with a fine-toothed comb, for both clarity and standard, clear English. I think the editing will take a while, but the content certainly looks to be there. Ikan Kekek (talk) 05:09, 28 December 2017 (UTC)
  • Almost Otherwise a good article, though I would imagine there'd be a some more places in Iceland and Norway worth listing. --ϒpsilon (talk) 10:40, 1 January 2018 (UTC)
  • In addition to the relative dearth of Icelandic and Norwegian POIs pointed out by Ypsilon, it's strange that the article simply ends abruptly after the lengthy list of "Locations". If there nothing to say in the realm of "Stay safe"? No "Related topics" to delve into? -- AndreCarrotflower (talk) 17:29, 19 January 2018 (UTC)
  • Support, can't tell if the article needs copyediting, but it's probably better to let native English speakers take care of that :). I recently added a stash of destinations in Norway and Iceland, and a See also section with some links. For Stay safe; well the Nordic countries are nowadays some of the safest in the world so I don't really know what to add. If the problems many users have pointed out with the Underground Railroad article aren't resolved, here is a spare article. ϒpsilon (talk) 05:52, 27 February 2018 (UTC)
  • Support. After scanning through this article, it has plenty of good images and a lot of listings of places like L'Anse Aux Meadows where Viking remains and reconstructions can be found. This definitely ought to be a Featured Travel Topic at some point. Selfie City (talk) 13:44, 23 May 2018 (UTC)
  • I'm belatedly noticing the additions Ypsilon made some months ago, and now I feel I can support this candidate. -- AndreCarrotflower (talk) 15:40, 7 June 2018 (UTC)

Rail travel in the Netherlands[edit]

Place: Rail travel in the Netherlands
Blurb: Having said farewell to paper tickets several years ago, the efficient Dutch rail network may very well be the example for the future of rail travel. (should not exceed ~145 characters)
Article status: Guide (must be guide or above).
Time to feature: Any time but December, preferably around September 20th, 2019 (180th anniversary).
Edit: I understand that September 2019 may cause problems. Other dates of importance in the upcoming five years are:

  • December 2018; Sprinter Nieuwe Generatie put in service (same issue; too soon).
  • Early 2021; Intercity Nieuwe Generatie put in service.
  • In general, September is my preferred month for featuring since the anniversary of the Dutch railway network is in that month. March of 2022 is also fine by me (182½ year anniversary).
  • August 2021; 25 years since the first concession of the Dutch railways.

I am well aware that the feature date doesn't need to have a reason behind it, but I recon it might as well. Don't limit yourself to the dates above, but rather consider them.
Nominated by: Wauteurz (talk) 14:22, 21 January 2018 (UTC)
Comment: The article may need some touching up here and there as most information in the article has come from me, but content-wise I believe that nothing is missing and the article is therefore a good candidate for FTT.

Nomination
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I should say, though, this is an exceptionally good article and I support its eventually being run as a feature. -- AndreCarrotflower (talk) 15:18, 21 January 2018 (UTC)
I don't think there is a problem to run Rail travel in Germany perhaps already in August 2018, especially as RtiG is a topic and not a place. In that way this could be featured in September 2019 as desired, "only" 20 months from now. ϒpsilon (talk) 18:12, 22 January 2018 (UTC)
  • Support — I've noticed you working on this one over the last several months and it's looking very informative. At least at a quick glance I can't really find anything wrong with it. ϒpsilon (talk) 18:17, 22 January 2018 (UTC)
  • Minor language and possible "nerding out" issues (for which I am the wrong person to judge them) aside, there is nothing to preclude my support for this feature and thanks to Wauteurz for some amazing work. As the user who nominated rail travel in Germany, I would have no qualms moving it around if this article could then be featured on a date that fits better. Just please don't feature either in December, as that is the European schedule change. Hobbitschuster (talk) 22:52, 25 January 2018 (UTC)
  • Weak Support, some essential details need finetuning - the article is thoroughly written but some of the more practical information is not entirely spot on, i.e. information about gates is too general, there is no information present about the surcharge for tickets purchased at the counter, no correct information present about the cost if you check in and check out after a certain time at the same station, information about opening train doors and onboard announcements is very specific to some of the rolling stock but wrong for others. In general, quite a large part of the article is written towards railway enthousiasts with a lot of technical details, but less towards the average tourist who travels on the train for the first time in the Netherlands. --WallyTheWalrus (talk) 23:42, 1 February 2018 (UTC)
  • Support, although there are some issues with red links. Selfie City (talk) 04:26, 25 May 2018 (UTC)
Can you elaborate on 'issues with redlinks' so that I can fix it? I am aware that I've left a few (somewhere around ten) redlinks in the article, and I would assume the issue is them being linked to in the first place?
-- Wauteurz (talk) 15:29, 25 May 2018 (UTC)
Rail_travel_in_the_Netherlands#Expansion_and_boom is one example, but there are several parts of the article that seem to abound in red links. Also, I'm not crazy about red-colored listings. Selfie City (talk) 22:44, 25 May 2018 (UTC)

Diving the Cape Peninsula and False Bay/SS Lusitania[edit]

Place: Diving the Cape Peninsula and False Bay/SS Lusitania
Blurb: The century-old remains of this Portuguese ocean liner are seldom visited, yet are considered one of the top wreck dives in the Cape Peninsula region. (should not exceed ~145 characters)
Article status: Guide (must be guide or above).
Time to feature: Oct-May per Diving the Cape Peninsula and False Bay#Climate, weather and sea conditions
Nominated by: AndreCarrotflower (talk) 02:19, 31 January 2018 (UTC)
Comment: The last time we were talking about dive guides on the Main Page, I remember suggesting we hold off and not run them as frequently as every year, as most of Peter Southwood's articles focus on the immediate vicinity of Cape Town, which would mean a disproportionate level of Main Page coverage would be concentrated into a very small geographical area. That's all well and good, but by next winter/spring it will have been nearly three years since we ran a dive guide - and there's certainly no denying the quality of Peter's work. Perusing the ranks of Guide-level dive guides, this one struck me as fairly interesting, and would be the first time we've ever featured a shipwreck on the Main Page.

Nomination
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  • Support as nominator. Looks reasonably complete, with the exception of the "Photography" subsection, which consists in its entirety of a note the author left for himself: "(photographic equipment suggestions)". Perhaps Peter can fill that in for us; if not, it would seem not to be of such vital importance that we couldn't delete it or at least <!-- hide --> the parenthetical memo. -- AndreCarrotflower (talk) 02:19, 31 January 2018 (UTC)
Aaaaaand the above problem has already been addressed! -- AndreCarrotflower (talk) 05:53, 31 January 2018 (UTC)
Yes, I was just about to come back here to say so. The article is, as you say, fairly complete and up to date. I would be happy to see it feature on the Main Page. I am also open to suggestions to improve the general appearance - layout of photos etc. • • • Peter (Southwood) (talk): 06:24, 31 January 2018 (UTC)
  • Support I also thought about nominating one of Peter's diving articles for sometime in early 2019. Speaking of Cape Town, I learned yesterday that the city has severe problems with its water reserves (also see the warning box in the article), don't know how much this affects diving travellers who probably have access to cars and boats and thus can easily eat, drink, sleep and buy supplies e.g. 200 kms away if needed. And according to Previous_Featured_travel_topics we've had dive guides as FTT in January 2013 and May 2016, so this will only be the third time. ϒpsilon (talk) 12:07, 31 January 2018 (UTC)
  • SupportGranger (talk · contribs) 12:01, 11 April 2018 (UTC)
  • Almost. The "get in" section needs more information and there's a red link in it. Selfie City (talk) 13:32, 25 May 2018 (UTC)

Winter in the Nordic countries[edit]

Place: Winter in the Nordic countries
Blurb: Snow, ice, winter sports, northern lights, Santa and an interesting cuisine — there are many reasons to visit the Nordic countries in the winter! (should not exceed ~145 characters)
Article status: Guide (must be guide or above).
Time to feature: November, to get the most out of the article
Nominated by: ϒpsilon (talk) 17:16, 9 February 2018 (UTC)
Comment: Yes, we've probably never had as many FTT nominees before as we have now, but many of them are guaranteed not to be seen on the Main Page before 2019, so how about running this one right at the threshold of the winter? We've been working on the article for a few months and while some minor polishing is still needed, I'd say the article is at guide status by now.

Nomination
Storlien ski area.JPG


  • Support --ϒpsilon (talk) 17:16, 9 February 2018 (UTC)
  • Support. We're actually fully stocked with FTTs up to and including November 2018 (as Hobbitschuster said, I don't think concerns about an overabundance of U.S. destinations really apply to an article specifically about not visiting that country), but IMO it would actually be better to run this in December — it would make a nice holiday feature. Article looks complete, no complaints or issues from me. -- AndreCarrotflower (talk) 17:31, 9 February 2018 (UTC)
December is fine too. ϒpsilon (talk) 19:25, 9 February 2018 (UTC)
While November and December are usually terrible for winter sport (short days and little snow), articles should on principle be featured well before the desirable season. /Yvwv (talk) 19:55, 9 February 2018 (UTC)
Historically, consensus has disagreed with the above philosophy on when to feature. However, it's perhaps worth mentioning that "December" FTTs actually spend more time on the Main Page in January than in the previous month. -- AndreCarrotflower (talk) 20:02, 9 February 2018 (UTC)
"Well before the season" is applicable when featuring it during the season in practice would mean a prospective traveler would have to wait until the next season (e.g. the Inca trail nomination above), and this is not the case here. On the other hand, the article is not only about winter sports but also the Christmas season and the Polar night among others. December is fine, but I would rather not have it postponed until January, let alone February. ϒpsilon (talk) 20:28, 9 February 2018 (UTC)
The peak holiday for Nordic ski resorts is Easter, which in 2019 is on April 21st. A December/January slot would be prospective for skiers, and in synch with those who want to experience the polar night. /Yvwv (talk) 21:38, 9 February 2018 (UTC)
Sounds like December is a good month, then. -- AndreCarrotflower (talk) 03:57, 10 February 2018 (UTC)
  • SupportGranger (talk · contribs) 11:57, 11 April 2018 (UTC)
  • Support (although I am biased...). The polar light (aurora borealis) season starts in September and lasts throughout the winter until early April. The skiing season mostly begins in December (or even later), but in some parts of Norway skiing begins in (early) November. Some ski lifts actually open in May and stay open during summer, but I guess that is a different topic. Erik den yngre (talk) 15:00, 30 April 2018 (UTC)
  • Support. I can see there's a lot of useful content in this article. I think, though, I need to address some issues with this article:
  1. This article could do with fewer pictures. There are some really nice pictures but there are others that do not need to be in the article and could easily draw an article's readers attention from the article itself to the pictures.
  2. In the weather section is a chart that shows general climatic conditions. This would be more attractive if it was formatted as a table, which would help out with my first point.
  3. The weather section would probably be more accurately titled "climate".
  4. The quote in the "daylight" section doesn't add much to the article and doesn't even make much sense. I think we should either find another quote to replace it or remove the quote altogether.
  5. Due to all the red links in the ski resorts section, that section looks kind-of messy. Also, I don't think the formatting of those listings is totally consistent.
  6. The "buy" section could do with some more information, although it doesn't need to be too long for an article about a season.
  7. Because this article is really about the cold weather in Nordic countries, I think the entire "stay safe" section should be devoted to weather only, and the first part of this section and the "weather" heading should be removed. Still, in general, this is a good, detailed article that should be a Featured Travel Topic either starting late November, late December, perhaps late January, or be featured in the late 2019/early 2020 winter. Selfie City (talk) 23:28, 24 May 2018 (UTC)
What do others think? I started a section at Talk:Winter in the Nordic countries, as I think this kind of changes is better discussed in the article talk. --LPfi (talk) 11:56, 26 September 2018 (UTC)

Indonesian phrasebook[edit]

Place: Indonesian phrasebook
Blurb: When exploring the treasures of Indonesia, especially away from the common tourist trails, you'll certainly get use for some Indonesian phrases. (should not exceed ~145 characters)
Article status: Guide (must be guide or above).
Time to feature: Any
Nominated by: ϒpsilon (talk) 15:14, 8 June 2018 (UTC)
Comment: Time to nominate another phrasebook, I think. This seems like a complete phrasebook with pseudo-pronunciation for all phrases. And we have many users who understand Indonesian, if there are some things that need to be looked at. But I'd say the only thing the article needs are some more photos to give it some color.

Nomination
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  • Support --ϒpsilon (talk) 15:14, 8 June 2018 (UTC)
  • Support. Definitely. No need for debate about this one. I think we should do this one this winter, or perhaps in the spring of 2019? See Ikan Kekek's comment. Selfie City (talk) 15:16, 8 June 2018 (UTC)
We ran Italian phrasebook in February and try to have at least one year between topics of the same type so yes, winter or spring is probably when we'll feature this one. ϒpsilon (talk) 15:23, 8 June 2018 (UTC)
  • Oppose until the issue of how to represent glottal stops in pseudo-translations on this phrasebook is resolved and the changes are thoroughly implemented (I'd like to insist on a solution for unaspirated Ts and Ps, too, but mistransliterating glottal stops is a more severe defect, IMO). I brought this up at Talk:Indonesian phrasebook#Pseudo-transliteration for glottal stops, but no action was taken on it. See Malay phrasebook#Note for an example of how to deal with glottal stops and unaspirated Ts and Ps. Ikan Kekek (talk) 04:42, 22 June 2018 (UTC)
You clearly have a good understanding of the language, so I'll go neutral and leave this to an expert. Selfie City (talk) 17:39, 22 June 2018 (UTC)

[unindent] In addition, I'm noticing inconsistent psuedo-transliterations of "mau". I'd probably use "mah-oo", not "ma-oo" or "mah-hoo" or "mah-woo", but it's important for someone to knowledgeably pick one approximation and use it consistently. Ikan Kekek (talk) 09:24, 29 June 2018 (UTC)

Fortunately we have several Indonesian speakers active here, so they can probably help if they have time. Pinging User:Othello95, User:Ibhi19, User:Gsarwa. ϒpsilon (talk) 19:07, 1 July 2018 (UTC)
Alright. I'm going to go with Ikan's proposal to make all pseudo-transliterations on the page to be more consistent and try to help as much as I can. Meanwhile, I found this page to guide us later for editing the pseudo-transliterations on the page. What do you think? ibhi19 (talk) 19:35, 1 July 2018 (UTC)
Great. That guide to pronunciation is very good, except that a rolled r is not like "tt" in "butter" in most English dialects. Anyway, I think that if anyone doesn't understand what "rolled r" means, there's really not much hope for them other than to learn by listening to Indonesian-speakers. Ikan Kekek (talk) 05:02, 2 July 2018 (UTC)
  • Support, once the aforementioned issues are dealt with. A great and detailed phrasebook. --ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 22:43, 11 August 2018 (UTC)
  • Support. I'm impressed with all the work that's been done on this phrasebook. It's probably ready to run now, but if not, I am completely confident it will be. Ikan Kekek (talk) 03:25, 13 August 2018 (UTC)

Jazz[edit]

Place: Jazz
Blurb: Even though this music is associated with the blues, its mixture of cultural backgrounds makes it one of the liveliest and happiest music genres in the world. (should not exceed ~145 characters)
Article status: Guide (must be guide or above).
Time to feature: Any, although I think summer is best
Nominated by: Selfie City (talk) 21:17, 21 June 2018 (UTC)
Comment: I know this will have to wait a while, but I've been developing the article and I think it's now ready to be FTT at some point in the future. However, I do have two concerns that I can think of at the moment with this article: first, it needs a banner different from Jazz Track; second, it needs at least one more recording to demonstrate what jazz sounds like; and third, it could do with more in the venues section, which was only recently brought to a size beyond one sentence.

Nomination
Charlie Parker, Tommy Potter, Miles Davis, Duke Jordan, Max Roach (Gottlieb 06851).jpg


  • Support as nominator, especially if these changes are made. Selfie City (talk) 21:17, 21 June 2018 (UTC)
  • Almost what SC just said. There must for sure be other famous jazz venues in the US than just the four that are mentioned? ϒpsilon (talk) 20:02, 8 July 2018 (UTC)
  • As an avid fan of bossa nova and Brazilian jazz, I'm flabbergasted that the only mention of those genres in the whole article is a brief aside about Stan Getz and "The Girl from Ipanema". No Antônio Carlos Jobim, no João Gilberto, no Herb Alpert, no Sérgio Mendes, no Nara Leão, no Walter Wanderley, etc. etc. ad nauseam? In the '60s, this was one of, if not the most popular and commercially impactful styles of jazz, and I think there definitely must be some more information and/or listings that can be added. -- AndreCarrotflower (talk) 21:05, 8 October 2018 (UTC)
Sure, I'll add some more about bossa nova. Sorry that I overlooked this. --Comment by Selfie City (talk about my contributions) 22:28, 8 October 2018 (UTC)

Magellan-Elcano circumnavigation[edit]

Place: Magellan-Elcano circumnavigation
Blurb: 500 years ago five ships left Seville to go where no other European explorers had sailed before... (should not exceed ~145 characters)
Article status: Guide (must be guide or above).
Time to feature: Jul, Aug or Sep 2019 to celebrate the half millenium since the start of this journey
Nominated by: ϒpsilon (talk) 20:02, 8 July 2018 (UTC)
Comment: I started this little project back in 2016, already then looking to bring it up to guide status until 2019. Per a little discussion on the article's talk page, I just added the Magellan-related attractions along the route the modern day voyager can visit, and can't come to think of much else to add to the article. You can read about Magellan's journey, and there's advice for getting from place to place and what you can see at each point in the itinerary.

Nomination
Ferdinand Magellan.jpg
I think the problem described at Talk:Magellan-Elcano_circumnavigation#Verb_tenses needs fixing before it is featured. Pashley (talk) 15:13, 9 July 2018 (UTC)
  • Support, especially if we put it all in past tense. Selfie City (talk) 00:19, 6 August 2018 (UTC)
  • Support per Selfie City. I just did some copy editing. Capitalization was a problem, but I think I may have gotten all the stray "River"s and "Hill"s that were part of proper names (and the "strait" that wasn't). I definitely think everything that happened in the past should be recounted in past tense, both because it's more intuitive and to make a stronger contrast with present-tense advice on current-day travel. I made some progress toward that, but more needs to be done if everyone is OK with putting the past in the past. I hope some of the things that are presumed ("you can probably take a bus/boat to X") are confirmed before the article is run. Ikan Kekek (talk) 01:53, 6 August 2018 (UTC)
  • See also my comments at #Metro_Cebu above about featuring that article around the 500th anniversary of his visit there, April 2021. Pashley (talk) 22:57, 25 September 2018 (UTC)

Common scams[edit]

Place: Common scams
Blurb: Especially in popular travel destinations travellers may encounter "special offers", supposedly closed businesses, fake products and police, unsolicited "help", and whatnot. Check out our guide and be prepared for some of the most common tricks con men try to pull on travellers! (should not exceed ~145 characters)
Article status: Guide (must be guide or above).
Time to feature: Any
Nominated by: ϒpsilon (talk) 18:05, 12 August 2018 (UTC)
Comment: Firstly, I think there's one vacant slot in the spring, and secondly almost all of our current FTT candidates are bound to a specific geographic location to some degree. This one isn't, and as such can be featured any time of the year and no matter which other articles are on the Main Page at the same time.

The issues in Talk:Common_scams#To_Guide seem to be fixed, I just added some advice about taxis that was talked about there but nobody had added yet (or it was buried somewhere in the article). And, obviously, this is a topic that can never be complete as people invent new scams all the time, but we do cover pretty many of them already, right?

Nomination
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  • Support as nominator. --ϒpsilon (talk) 18:05, 12 August 2018 (UTC)
  • Support. -- AndreCarrotflower (talk) 18:58, 12 August 2018 (UTC)
  • This article is very detailed; in fact, it almost seems like too long for the traveler to take in, but I guess I'll support. Selfie City (talk) 19:28, 12 August 2018 (UTC)
  • Support. I'm unconvinced on pane e coperto, though. If the charge is reasonable, it could be OK. I remember that in the 90s, around two thousand lire was standard in all trattorie. Ikan Kekek (talk) 03:23, 13 August 2018 (UTC)
  • Support. Regarding pane e coperto, this kind of cover charge is common in Uruguay too. I've rephrased the section a bit to try to address Ikan Kekek's concern. —Granger (talk · contribs) 00:55, 18 August 2018 (UTC)
  • Comment: I think the blurb should be a little shorter, if possible. Selfie City (talk) 01:21, 18 August 2018 (UTC)
  • Support --ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 13:03, 21 September 2018 (UTC)

LGBT travel[edit]

Place: LGBT travel
Blurb: Globally, LGBT rights have increased exponentially in the past 50 years, but there are still many places where travellers should exercise caution. (should not exceed ~145 characters)
Article status: Guide (officially, but maybe not actually) (must be guide or above).
Time to feature: Any of the first seven months of 2019, with a preference for June, to coincide with the 50th anniversary of the Stonewall uprising, which will be widely marked across the world. There's no point featuring after July, because most pride events will have been and gone by that point.
Nominated by: ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 13:03, 21 September 2018 (UTC)
Comment: Looking at the talk page, this was raised as a potential FTT back in 2016. While there have been significant improvements and updates made since then, many of the concerns raised there (namely that the format is too listy, that there isn't enough information in each section, and that text may be outdated) remain an issue. However, none of these are fatal flaws which can't be fixed with a bit of elbow grease, and I think if we resolve now to make the improvements, and have a deadline to work to, that will be a sufficient shot in the arm for things to happen. Plus, if we are ever going to feature this, there couldn't be a better time than next summer.

Nomination
Rainbow flag and blue skies.jpg
  • Needs work, as stated above. My blurb and choice of image are just placeholders which I'd be happy to see changed. --ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 13:03, 21 September 2018 (UTC)
  • I think there's more work needed here than you think. In my estimation, there are some really fundamental problems with the structure of the article as it currently is. I'm talking specifically about the "Queer-friendly destinations" section, which sticks us between a rock and a hard place: it's a series of lists that are already way too long, yet still far from complete. If we were to add every LGBT-friendly destination of the level of prominence of the ones already listed, with blurbs scrupulously added next to each entry, we'd run the risk of overwhelming the reader with too much information. However, if we go the opposite route and restrict the section to only the most prominent destinations, we cheat the reader out of comprehensive coverage of the topic. I think that to really do justice to this topic, we have to either break it up by region (LGBT travel in Europe, etc.) or else come up with some other way to talk about good destinations for LGBT folks to visit. -- AndreCarrotflower (talk) 13:20, 21 September 2018 (UTC)
  • If you think an article is quite simply not ready, it may be best to plunge forward and try to fix it before nominating it for FTT. The topic is valid and I'd like to see it featured in 2019 – which may be well within the realm of possibility – but what's your path to get there? K7L (talk) 16:17, 21 September 2018 (UTC)
K7L: You're not wrong (and it's what I'm doing with York because I am comfortable handling that article by myself if necessary, but not so for this which has such a broad subject matter and covers so many different people under one umbrella term it needs as many perspectives as possible). But the idea in nominating now is to draw eyes on the article and, as stated above, spur people on - including myself - to write to a deadline. That it's not ready now doesn't mean it can't be ready in 6 months' time.
Andre: Another alternative to splitting by region is to do so by topic. One article could focus on dangers and concerns for LGBT travellers, while another could group the places people can travel to in order to experience the local LGBT culture. The latter needn't be split geographically, but can be as and when the volume of information on specific regions grows. But I agree with both of you that the article's scope is a little ill-defined, and this is something we need to work out.--ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 16:36, 21 September 2018 (UTC)
  • Not yet — The 50th anniversary of the Stonewall riots can be a good time to feature this article, but there's definitely work to do. Good to hear that the article has been updated, but LGBT_travel#Europe_2 in particular still needs to be expanded. Understand and See (maybe the "LGBT laws" should be moved up to Understand) are also very short.
I'm also not sure if we need to have a list of each and every individual "queer-friendly destination" in the world, right now we list 122 of them if I counted correctly. ϒpsilon (talk) 18:18, 21 September 2018 (UTC)