Wikivoyage:Destination of the month candidates

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Here we determine which articles are featured on the Main Page as Destination of the month (Dotm), Off the Beaten Path (OTBP) and Featured travel topics (FTT).

Nominate[edit]

You can nominate any article you would like to see featured. Any destination, region, itinerary or event that passes the "What is an article?" test is eligible for nomination.

However, before nominating, please check that the article follows these basic guidelines:

Well-known and/or popular destinations should be nominated as Destination of the Month, while more obscure destinations should be nominated for Off the Beaten Path. Travel topics, phrasebooks, itineraries and other articles should be nominated for Featured Travel Topic. Where applicable, you should propose a good time to visit the destination as a month to be featured.

The basic format of a nomination is as follows:

{{FeatureNom
| place=Destination
| blurb='''[[Destination]]''' is a place of contrasts, and as such it...
| status=Guide
| time=March-June
| nominatedBy=~~~~
| comment=Great article and it's just luvvly-jubbly in the springtime.
| DotMImage=[[File:Destinationimage.jpg|thumb|300px]]
}}

Add a nomination to the end of the appropriate section.

Discuss[edit]

You can comment on any nomination based on timeliness and adherence to the criteria above, just add a bullet point (*) and your signed opinion.

===[[Destination]]===
Great article and it's just luvvly-jubbly in the springtime. TravelNut 25:25, 31 Feb 2525 (EDT)
* Looks nice, but shouldn't the Do section contain more than just quilting contests? ~~~~

Please note that the following are not considered valid reasons to oppose a nomination:

  • "I don't like it." All objections have to be based on the guidelines above: poor formatting, missing information, etc. Personal opinions, dislikes, etc. do not count.
  • "Wrong time of year." Articles are supported or opposed based on their content. Timing can be worked out later.
  • "Wrong type of place." Articles are supported or opposed based on their content. Whether it's DotM or OtBP can be worked out later.

Select[edit]

If an article gets several comments in favor and none against for a week or so, it's eligible to be placed in an appropriate time-slot in the Upcoming queue. If the objections are relatively minor and are being worked on, add them to the Upcoming queue tentatively (add a question mark "?" after the article). Feel free to move the queue around or swap articles if it makes sense. If a nomination clearly does not make the grade and if the objections are not easily fixable, they go into the Slush pile

Once a nomination has been scheduled, an appropriate banner image and text blurb must be selected. Go to Wikivoyage:Destination of the month candidates/Banners to start that discussion.

Archive[edit]

Discussions for previously selected destinations are kept in the Archive.

Upcoming[edit]

Schedule[edit]

The following queue should contain about six months' worth of upcoming destinations. Note that new DotMs are rotated in on the 1st of each month, OtBPs on the 11th and travel topics on the 21st.

Month DotM OtBP FTT
May 2016 Seattle Dilijan
Svalbard for a day for OtBP's tenth anniversary
Diving the Cape Peninsula and False Bay/Partridge Point
June 2016 Stockholm London/Hampstead Money - pending stronger consensus to support
July 2016 Halifax (Nova Scotia) - pending fixes and stronger consensus to support Palmyra (New York) for Hill Cumorah Pageant Copenhagen Airport - pending fixes and stronger consensus to support
August 2016 Edinburgh/New Town Salalah Earthquake safety - pending stronger consensus to support
September 2016 Riga - pending stronger consensus to support Washington, D.C./Anacostia Hiking and backpacking in Israel
October 2016 Tunis - pending stronger consensus to support Caldas da Rainha Travel insurance - pending stronger consensus to support

These are not cast in stone, and the order can be changed if, for example, an excellent guide for a timely event is found. Whenever a guide becomes a current feature, it should be removed from the list, the discussion archived, and a new month added to the end of the queue. Alternatives are OK; the whole point is to enable some discussion as needed.

Next change[edit]

Decisions regarding which images to use as the banners are made here.

The section below provides an opportunity to see what the upcoming featured articles will look like on the Main Page using the banners that are currently most popular on the above page.

Destination of the Month[edit]

Seattle

Home of the Space Needle, birthplace of Starbucks coffee, and cradle of grunge music, the vibrant "Emerald City" is nestled in a breathtaking setting where the forest-covered, snow-capped Olympic Mountains meet the sea.

Off the Beaten Path[edit]

Dilijan

They call this Caucasian mountain resort the "Armenian Switzerland" — but take a walk past the rustic stone houses of Sharambeyan Street and you'll see it has a character all its own.

Featured Travel Topic[edit]

Diving Partridge Point

Swim with the fishes at these protected reefs within South Africa's Table Mountain National Park — an almost infinite number and variety of them, plus seals, starfish, and sea anemones to boot.

Updating[edit]

On the date of the scheduled change, the DotM, OtBP, or FTT should be changed as close to midnight UTC as possible. When the featured page is changed, please follow the following procedures to do so and archive content to the appropriate pages. At each stage, please double-check that you are correctly moving content.

  1. Update the featured articles on the main page by replacing the current 'banner' template section with those of the appropriate banner for the new DotM/OtBP/FTT found in the Next change section above.
  2. Update the Photo credits page with the banner's original image, title and attribution.
  3. Add the former featured article to the appropriate archive page: Previous Destinations of the month, Previously Off the beaten path, or Previous Featured travel topics.
  4. Remove Template:Featurenomination from newly featured article.
  5. For the former featured article, add the appropriate parameter to the pagebanner template (directly after the image filename) to label the page as having been featured previously.
    • For former DotMs, add: dotm=yes
    • For former OtBPs, add: otbp=yes
    • For former FTTs, add: ftt=yes
  6. Archive the newly featured article's nomination. Simply cut-and-paste the nomination section of the newly featured article from this page to Wikivoyage:Destination of the Month candidates/Archive.
  7. Update the Next change section above by adding the banner from the discussion page. View the table in the Schedule section above to determine what next month's change will be, then update the image and blurb in the "Next change" section with that found in the upcoming featured article's nomination.
  8. Archive the newly featured article's banner by cutting-and-pasting all banner suggestions and the associated discussion into Wikivoyage:Destination of the month candidates/Banners/Archive.

Nominations for Destination of the Month[edit]

Stockholm[edit]

Place: Stockholm
Blurb: Perched on fourteen islands in Lake Mälaren, Sweden's capital is also a capital destination for fans of history, art, fine dining, and nightlife: you can see everything from a preserved 17th-century warship to the ABBA Museum! (should not exceed ~145 characters)
Article status: Guide (must be guide or above).
Time to feature: May-Sep
Nominated by: ϒpsilon (talk) 18:53, 27 August 2015 (UTC)
Comment: Yup, guess who's back from the slush pile again. The last time the largest problem was that there were more districts than content in most of them. Me and Prince restructured the city a year ago and I've recently listingfied the district articles and filled in missing pieces of information (unbelievable how many places didn't even have a freaking address!), so there shouldn't be any issues with the districts any longer. Certainly there is outdated stuff here and there, but that's something that should better be fixed a month or two before the article is featured to make sure the article is up to date when it is featured (from today until May, probably at least one POI in each district will have closed down or otherwise changed). In the Stockholm article itself I've converted many many old-style external links to our new style and though there are also some other style issues that yet have to be fixed (most notably, bulleted points are overused). Nevertheless, as updating probably more than a hundred listings took me four evenings, it shouldn't be impossible to polish up the article in eight to twelve months...

Nomination
Stockholm Castle and crown.jpg
  • Not yet per comment but I'm putting this here now as there are still vacant DotM slots for next summer. ϒpsilon (talk) 18:53, 27 August 2015 (UTC)
  • Support - as our big city articles go, this one's really good. I am not saying this because I was mentioned above, as I did precious little compared to other users (and yes, I could have done more in the recent weeks when it was called for...) My comment would be that since Eurovision returns to Stockholm for May 2016, we could feature the city in May or even April (when people will be planning their visits to the city for the shows in the first half of May), and from my experience May is perhaps the best month to visit. I intend to head to Stockholm for the ESC myself and I will be looking into the article immediately prior to fix all the issues that might arise from last-minute changes for sure. PrinceGloria (talk) 05:27, 28 August 2015 (UTC)
ϒpsilon, there are also walking tours listed. To date, the consensus is that walking tours, regardless of whether they are free or not, generally should not be listed when in theory, it's possible to do the same tour yourself without a guide. The same standard doesn't apply to bike tours because cycling is considered an activity and walking isn't, or something (I don't think that's really the reason, but I've never really understood this policy distinction). So yeah, I agree that the article still could use some more work, but I expect to support the article's nomination soon. Ikan Kekek (talk) 05:56, 28 August 2015 (UTC)
PrinceGloria - also, especially in light of the comment you made and then retracted for unrelated reasons, Indianapolis is already scheduled for May 2016. We already ran Vienna last summer to coincide with Eurovision, and there are other events besides that for which we can time DotM features. In fact, save for the UK and Ireland, very few people in most English-speaking countries (i.e. the readership of English Wikivoyage) follow Eurovision, so it's not even a particularly good "timely event" to choose. -- AndreCarrotflower (talk) 05:46, 1 December 2015 (UTC)
The readership of English Wikivoyage is far beyond countries where English is an official language - it is the "default" Wikivoyage, especially in light of the relatively underdeveloped state (or nonexistence) of many language versions. I for one do not even visit WV in my own language. Plus Australia is now participating as well due to, drum roll, the massive following of the contest on the continent. PrinceGloria (talk) 07:12, 1 December 2015 (UTC)
Be that as it may, muscling other "timely event" candidates out of the way on the schedule to accommodate a second consecutive Eurovision host city is excessive to the point of ridiculous. -- AndreCarrotflower (talk) 13:19, 1 December 2015 (UTC)
  • Support Prince removed the walking tours, and I've now cut down the insane number of bulleted points and made the text more comfortable to read. Apparently many businesses have locations in three or even four districts so probably it's OK to leave their listings with all the addresses here in this article, otherwise descriptions would need to be duplicated. ϒpsilon (talk) 14:35, 19 September 2015 (UTC)
  • Looks good to me; I'm ready to give the article a vote of support. Ikan Kekek (talk) 07:34, 23 September 2015 (UTC)
  • As I have done a lot of the work on the article, I abstain from voting. Requesting feedback on latest cleanup. /Yvwv (talk) 21:21, 19 February 2016 (UTC)
Yvwv - though the article might need some (not much) copyediting by a native English speaker, your recent edits look fine in terms of substance. I hope you don't feel that it's a requirement that you abstain from voting because you're the article's principal contributor, because that's not the case - on the contrary, you're perhaps better equipped than anyone else to say whether there's any inaccurate or missing information. -- AndreCarrotflower (talk) 21:29, 19 February 2016 (UTC)
  • It looks like I haven't yet voted on this nominee. I mentioned the possible need for copyediting above, and I wonder if the Yellow Pages-style list of embassies is really necessary (might they perhaps be moved to the district articles?) Despite those quite minor concerns, I'm happy to provide the fourth support vote. -- AndreCarrotflower (talk) 21:31, 19 February 2016 (UTC)
    Is it helpful to have embassies in the district articles? Usually you are looking for a specific one, not wondering which ones are nearby. --LPfi (talk) 08:03, 12 April 2016 (UTC)
  • Should the blurb be more characteristic? A suggestion: The capital of Sweden, built within a beautiful archipelago, is the home of the Nobel Prize, the Vasa (a 17th century warship) and the ABBA Museum. /Yvwv (talk) 22:31, 11 April 2016 (UTC)

Tunis[edit]

Place: Tunis
Blurb: A place of contrasts: the capital and largest city of Tunisia, yet compact and relatively laid-back (even in the souq!); largely passed over by tourists, yet a gateway to the magnificent ruins of Cathage and the crowded beaches of Sousse. (should not exceed ~145 characters)
Article status: Guide (must be guide or above).
Time to feature: Mar-Jun, Sep-Nov
Nominated by: AndreCarrotflower (talk) 22:40, 22 September 2015 (UTC)
Comment: Continuing with the trend toward African destinations on the Main Page, here's a pretty good article that would be only our second North African feature ever. I'm envisioning June 2016 for this one, or else the following autumn.

[EDIT: I might have known, this is yet another of the African articles that's been whipped into shape by Ypsilon. Again, Ypsi, thank you for your copious help to the cause of geographic diversity on the Main Page.]

Nomination
Tunis ZitounaMosque.JPG
  • Very, very close. A "Do" section that's in need of expansion is the only thing barring this article from my support. -- AndreCarrotflower (talk) 22:40, 22 September 2015 (UTC)
Thanks a lot for your compliments! :) Though, I was actually thinking of having Tunis some year in the early spring or late autumn, when we (compared to the summer) traditionally have had somewhat hard time finding suitable candidates. ϒpsilon (talk) 04:23, 23 September 2015 (UTC)
This is a highly developed article, and one thing I like is the "orientation" subsection, probably borrowed from fr.wikivoyage. It's a good idea and something that should be in more en.wikivoyage articles. I did some copy editing, but there's a lot of material to go through. Ikan Kekek (talk) 07:47, 23 September 2015 (UTC)
I'm finally taking the time to look through the article more. There are a few "See" listings without description. As Andre says, "Do" needs to be expanded and listified. "Learn" should also be listified, with addresses and contact info specified. Ikan Kekek (talk) 06:21, 24 January 2016 (UTC)
  • Support - here's the first support vote for Tunis. I've now fixed most of what has been brought up in this discussion. ϒpsilon (talk) 22:38, 25 March 2016 (UTC)
  • Support. I haven't been to Tunis, but I like the style and information in this article. Ikan Kekek (talk) 07:01, 29 March 2016 (UTC)

Halifax (Nova Scotia)[edit]

Place: Halifax (Nova Scotia)
Blurb: The largest city in Canada's Maritime Provinces boasts a long, proud military history, a restored 19th-century waterfront, and friendly, laid-back East Coast hospitality. (should not exceed ~145 characters)
Article status: Guide (must be guide or above).
Time to feature: Jun-Sep (when planning the schedule, remember Percé/Gaspé Peninsula is there too ϒpsilon (talk) 09:34, 28 September 2015 (UTC) )
Nominated by: AndreCarrotflower (talk) 04:01, 28 September 2015 (UTC)
Comment: It's time to start looking for DotM candidates for summer 2016 - as of now we've got Stockholm and that's all. Here's a candidate I've had my eye on for a while.

Nomination
Halifax - NS - Uhrturm.jpg


  • Weak support as of now. A few easy fixes will upgrade my vote to full support, namely:
  • about half the listings need coordinates,
  • "Go next" needs a few minor tweaks to conform with the Wikivoyage standard,
  • the "Climate" section needs to be filled out with more than just the temperature/precipitation infobox, and
  • the "Cope" section is empty (it contained information about a drug addiction treatment center that I reverted as irrelevant to travellers).

-- AndreCarrotflower (talk) 04:01, 28 September 2015 (UTC)

  • Almost — when the things Andre mentioned are fixed, also I will be happy to support Halifax for DotM. BTW apparently the Cope section can be left out if there's nothing important to add there.
Ps. I have several ideas for summer DotMs. But as we have just a few summer months, dropping all 10+ of those articles here at once would almost be vandalism, I guess :). ϒpsilon (talk) 09:34, 28 September 2015 (UTC)
Mention them on the talk page. Ikan Kekek (talk) 10:34, 28 September 2015 (UTC)
  • For the record the issues mentioned above are now fixed, except for the coordinates. ϒpsilon (talk) 17:26, 27 January 2016 (UTC)
Beautiful. The coordinates should be a quick and easy fix that I'll get to soon. -- AndreCarrotflower (talk) 18:00, 27 January 2016 (UTC)

Riga[edit]

Place: Riga
Blurb: Perhaps best known for its nightclubs, the metropolis on Daugava is packed with history from the Middle ages to the Cold war. (should not exceed ~145 characters)
Article status: Guide (must be guide or above).
Time to feature: May-Sep
Nominated by: ϒpsilon (talk) 18:42, 9 October 2015 (UTC)
Comment: Thanks to Prince (it’s an article of a major European city, what would you expect?) the article is in a good shape and it actually takes some effort to find something to complain about. Some POIs have short descriptions and some lack coordinates, but this can be fixed in an hour or so. Also, a month or so before it gets featured it's good to click through all links, amend or remove dead ones and remove businesses that have closed...

Nomination
Vistas desde la iglesia de San Pedro, Riga, Letonia, 2012-08-07, DD 12.JPG
  • As it's probably me who will do this eventually, it'd be silly for me to write "almost" before support. ϒpsilon (talk) 18:42, 9 October 2015 (UTC)
  • Tentative support pending the fixes Ypsi has identified and plans to do. In addition, the cities listed in "Go next" need one-liner descriptions, and the selections probably need to be pruned a bit. -- AndreCarrotflower (talk) 22:31, 28 October 2015 (UTC)
I don't have time to read and judge the status of this article right now, but as for pruning the "Go next" listings, why? They're very clearly organized by country, so the list is not hard to read. Ikan Kekek (talk) 04:41, 26 January 2016 (UTC)
Apparently I fixed the Go next section at some point. ϒpsilon (talk) 17:14, 27 January 2016 (UTC)

Edinburgh/New Town[edit]

Place: Edinburgh/New Town
Blurb: 250 years ago, in 1766 the young architect, James Craig, won the contest to design an extension to Scotland's capital city. (should not exceed ~145 characters)
Article status: Guide (must be guide or above).
Time to feature: 2016 or 2017 (August would be best as that is when the Edinburgh festivals are held - for 2017 blurb to refer to plans being accepted by town council in 1767)
Nominated by: AlasdairW (talk) 14:25, 24 October 2015 (UTC)
Comment: Edinburgh was featured on DOTM in December 2005, but I doubt many readers will remember.

Nomination
Moray Place, Edinburgh 003.jpg


Support as nominator. It should be reasonably up-to-date as a lot of changes have been made in the last six months. AlasdairW (talk) 14:29, 24 October 2015 (UTC)

  • Support, a quick glance reveals no big issues (a pic or two towards the middle would be good and some coords are also missing). Concerning scheduling, I think there is still a summer slot left in 2016 so that this one doesn't sit here for almost two years. However we may want to have a month or two between this one, London Hampstead and Driving in the UK (which I nominated for FTT a few hours ago) to avoid having two UK articles overlapping. ϒpsilon (talk) 15:35, 24 October 2015 (UTC)
  • Minor quibble: if we're going to break up "Buy" and "Drink" geographically, it should be done with second-level section headings, not with random paragraphs interrupting the bullet-point list. Of course, that's far too minor an issue to preclude my support. -- AndreCarrotflower (talk) 22:34, 28 October 2015 (UTC)
  • Reserving the right to object: You're right that 2005 is a long time ago, but I think we should put all repeat features on the back burner, to be considered only if we don't have another worthy article that's never been featured and is ready to go. Does anyone disagree, and if so, why? Ikan Kekek (talk) 04:39, 26 January 2016 (UTC)
Edinburgh/New Town has never been featured, the main Edinburgh article has. ϒpsilon (talk) 14:29, 26 January 2016 (UTC)
Oh, I see. Objection withdrawn! haha :-) Ikan Kekek (talk) 14:55, 26 January 2016 (UTC)
Support. Looks good to me. Ikan Kekek (talk) 14:41, 17 April 2016 (UTC)

Macau[edit]

Place: Macau
Blurb: The gambling capital of the East is a fascinating blend of Chinese and Portuguese traditions and glitzy modernity. (should not exceed ~145 characters)
Article status: Guide (must be guide or above).
Time to feature: Oct-Mar
Nominated by: ϒpsilon (talk) 18:37, 2 March 2016 (UTC)
Comment: On the article's talk page Macau was suggested for DotM a little less than a year ago, by then the winter of 2015-16 was full. In the discussion there some issues are outlined, including how the currency should be notated. I asked if there's anything important missing from the article and as nobody has come up with anything, I guess the article is (content-wise) in order.

Nomination
20090925182608 macau hong kong 20090924@macau hong kong 050.jpg
  • Support ϒpsilon (talk) 18:37, 2 March 2016 (UTC)
  • Support. Very good article. Ikan Kekek (talk) 19:24, 2 March 2016 (UTC)
  • Support. -- AndreCarrotflower (talk) 20:52, 2 March 2016 (UTC)
  • Support It looks good. I have not been to Macau, only watched the ferry leaving Hong Kong. A couple of minor points: By Taxi talks about 2008 fares and no listings in the the article or any districts have lat/longs. It might be best not featured in January or February, as weather can be cool (in Hong Kong older buildings can feel cold with no heating - I assume that it is the same in Macau) - Spring or Autumn would be better. AlasdairW (talk) 23:43, 2 March 2016 (UTC)
The next open DotM slot is in November 2016, which (given w:Geography of Macau#Climate) seems like a fine time to feature it. -- AndreCarrotflower (talk) 00:25, 3 March 2016 (UTC)
It seems November is optimal. And, yes I noticed that listings in the districts lack coordinates but this is the case with our current DotM, Kyoto, too. I can help out with adding the coords if needed. What do Pashley and Andrew think?ϒpsilon (talk) 05:59, 3 March 2016 (UTC)
Happy to support --Andrewssi2 (talk) 09:38, 3 March 2016 (UTC)
I'm strongly inclined to support. Macau has been one of my favorite tourist destinations for a long time & both the main & district articles look good overall.
However I see this in Get in: "A larger permanent ferry terminal is being constructed ..., scheduled for completion in 2011." At a minimum, that needs updating & I worry about whether the rest of the articles are up to date. Not having been there is several years, I cannot really check but someone should before we feature it. Pashley (talk) 14:23, 3 March 2016 (UTC)
I am copy editing & noticed an issue which I have raised at Talk:Macau#Star_ratings.3F. Pashley (talk) 13:30, 13 April 2016 (UTC)
The main article has many links tagged as dead. I have fixed some, but do not have time to get them all & I suspect there will be some in district articles as well. Volunteers? Pashley (talk) 19:14, 18 April 2016 (UTC)
The talk page discussion on what currency symbol to use seems to be close to consensus, but it looks as though no-one has updated the article to reflect that. Pashley (talk) 19:17, 18 April 2016 (UTC)

Seattle[edit]

Place: Seattle
Blurb: Home of the Space Needle, birthplace of Starbucks coffee, and cradle of grunge music, the vibrant "Emerald City" is nestled in a breathtaking setting where the forest-covered, snow-capped Olympic Mountains meet the sea. (should not exceed ~145 characters)
Article status: Guide (must be guide or above).
Time to feature: May 2016 to replace slushed nominee Indianapolis, otherwise Apr-Sep
Nominated by: AndreCarrotflower (talk) 03:50, 20 March 2016 (UTC)
Comment: As many had predicted, Indianapolis ended up requiring more work than was reasonable to expect in the less than two months before it was due to go up on the Main Page. Here's a replacement that I hope you'll all agree is much readier for prime time.

Nomination
Seattle 4.jpg


  • Support. Looks like the copyedits I remember this article needing have already been taken care of, so there's nothing bad I can say about this article: exhaustively detailed, plenty of pictures, written in an informative and engaging way. Let's slide this article in where Indianapolis was supposed to go, in the May 2016 slot. -- AndreCarrotflower (talk) 03:50, 20 March 2016 (UTC)
  • Support. I made a few more light copy edits. This looks like a great and very complete article. Ikan Kekek (talk) 05:31, 20 March 2016 (UTC)
  • Support. Brilliant article. ϒpsilon (talk) 11:04, 20 March 2016 (UTC)
  • Support. Great city article; well-organized and fairly comprehensive. PerryPlanet (talk) 22:57, 20 March 2016 (UTC)

Santiago de Chile[edit]

Place: Santiago de Chile
Blurb: From colonial buildings and cultural events to Sanhattan's high-rises and the Andes with wineries and ski resorts, this lush and scenic metropolis is truly the heart of Chile. (should not exceed ~145 characters)
Article status: Guide (must be guide or above).
Time to feature: Sep-May
Nominated by: ϒpsilon (talk) 16:35, 27 March 2016 (UTC)
Comment: I've now cleaned up the Santiago article as well as its districts, something I planned to do already two years ago. One motivator was that I wanted to put something on the Main Page from Latin America next winter too, but didn't feel comfortable nominating anything from where the Zika epidemic is running loose; luckily the mosquito spreading the disease doesn't exist in some parts of South America including Chile. Anyway, now I think Santiago is good enough for DotM, also, all the districts are usable.

Nomination
Vista Parcial de Santiago de Chile 2013.jpg
  • Support ϒpsilon (talk) 16:35, 27 March 2016 (UTC)
  • Comment - This article looks like it will probably benefit from a normal amount of additional copy editing (I did some), but before I support it, I think it's important for the self-contradictory "Stay safe/Other" section to be dealt with. Which of these two statements is true?
In any situation, you can trust the Chilean Police (Carabineros).
Also remember that the Chilean police is a militarized police. Therefore the police special forces can be violent or unreasonable, be careful.
It looks to me like someone who had never run afoul or had friends who ran afoul of the police inserted the former claim, and then another person, perhaps someone who had been attacked at demonstrations (which are also mentioned in this section), added the latter text without editing the rest. I'd tend to suggest deleting the first sentence, but I have no personal knowledge about the behavior of the carabineros since the return of democracy in Chile. Ikan Kekek (talk) 18:12, 27 March 2016 (UTC)
I've notified the anonymous contributor who's been editing Santiago de Chile a few days ago, he/she maybe could help. ϒpsilon (talk) 18:34, 27 March 2016 (UTC)
  • Weak support. In addition to what's been gone over above, the "See" and (especially) "Do" sections are a bit short - granted this is a Huge City with listings devolved to the district articles, but surely there's a bit more in the way of general information to give, and surely a few of the most important sights/activities can be briefly name-dropped. -- AndreCarrotflower (talk) 13:30, 28 March 2016 (UTC)

Nominations for Off the Beaten Path[edit]

Palmyra (New York)[edit]

Place: Palmyra (New York)
Blurb: On the banks of the Erie Canal, this charming Upstate New York small town is the birthplace of the Latter-Day Saints movement — a history commemorated every summer at the famous Hill Cumorah Pageant. (should not exceed ~145 characters)
Article status: Guide (must be guide or above).
Time to feature: July or June (Hill Cumorah Pageant is mid-July), elsewise anytime between March and October
Nominated by: Powers (talk) 23:36, 27 October 2014 (UTC)
Comment: Blurb needs work. Been working on it off and on since 2012, before the move to the WMF. This is what it looked like when I started. It's definitely off the beaten path, but its attractions include the holiest sites of a significant world religion with more than 15 million adherents.

Nomination
Hill Cumorah Pageant heralds.jpg


  • Support. That's a lot of really good work! I haven't read through the entire article with a fine-toothed comb, but I feel very satisfied that I've read through enough of it to be able to testify to its high quality. A few more photos, if available (perhaps one of the canal?) would be welcome. Ikan Kekek (talk) 01:12, 28 October 2014 (UTC)
    Free photos are hard to come by, in part because searching produces false positives with Palmyra. There are some options out there, and I've got a couple of my own I might be able to use; I just haven't added them yet. I appreciate the reminder, though! Powers (talk) 01:20, 28 October 2014 (UTC)
    I've added a couple of photos; feel free to look for some more to add! Powers (talk) 02:22, 28 October 2014 (UTC)
  • Support. Excellent work, Powers, though I echo Ikan's request for more photos. Let's put this on the Main Page in July 2016, to coincide with the Hill Cumorah pageant (and to avoid running too close to Buffalo's DotM run, which I envision for June 2015). -- AndreCarrotflower (talk) 02:12, 28 October 2014 (UTC)
    Small nitpick: in an article with nine other places in the Eat section that aren't national chains, do we really need a listing for Subway? -- AndreCarrotflower (talk) 02:16, 28 October 2014 (UTC)
    Need, no, but the list isn't strongly curated, so it seemed odd to omit it just because it's a chain. In small towns like this, without local specialty cuisines, sometimes consistency and predictability is desirable for a traveler over greasy spoons and diners with unknown standards. I'd thought about just mentioning it without giving it a full listing, but I thought its location inside a gas station was best explained in a full listing. Powers (talk) 02:22, 28 October 2014 (UTC)
  • Support - The article looks good, I can't really find anything big to complain about though I do notice there are quite many redlinks in the article. Yeah, and of course some more photos would be great. ϒpsilon (talk) 19:28, 28 October 2014 (UTC)
    Are redlinks a problem for some reason? And there are now six photos in the article; if you find any more you'd like to add feel free, but policy does request we don't go overboard. Powers (talk) 21:25, 28 October 2014 (UTC)
I believe we have enough photos at this point. -- AndreCarrotflower (talk) 00:02, 29 October 2014 (UTC)
Yes indeed, with the two that Powers added since this discussion started. Ikan Kekek (talk) 01:06, 29 October 2014 (UTC)

[unindent] This is another article with 3 votes of support. Any interest from anyone else? Ikan Kekek (talk) 00:06, 1 January 2015 (UTC)

  • Support-I can't imagine there is anything important left out of this article. My only suggestion is to add a summary paragraph under "Do" since all the other sections have one.Godsendlemiwinks (talk) 22:17, 18 May 2015 (UTC)
  • Request - As spring approaches, I am likely to have the opportunity to head out to Palmyra to take photos before the article is featured in July. Does anyone have an idea for a photo subject that would enhance the article? Powers (talk) 20:34, 4 March 2016 (UTC)
I think the article is well-covered in terms of photographs. The only thing that strikes me as obviously lacking is any images of the Hill Cumorah pageant itself, but given that the article will already be on the Main Page by the time this year's starts, we would be limited to what can be found on Commons or the copyleft-compatible sections of Flickr. -- AndreCarrotflower (talk) 20:41, 4 March 2016 (UTC)

Blurb[edit]

I appreciate this go at revising the blurb, but it falls a bit flat with me. "On the banks of the Erie Canal" is pretty pedestrian -- it'd be nice to explain the appeal of the Erie Canal. It's a bit awkward to use "charming" unironically when the article itself addresses the overuse of the term. And "famous" seems like filler. I agree it's good to mention the Hill Cumorah Pageant, though, so it's definitely an improvement in that respect. Anyone have any other thoughts? Powers (talk) 17:08, 28 April 2016 (UTC)

Re: "it'd be nice to explain the appeal of the Erie Canal" - It's a bit of a tall order to do that within the space constraints of a three-line-maximum DotM blurb.
Re: use of the word "charming" - In my opinion, DotM blurbs are the one place on the site where it's okay to use (within reason) flowery promotional language. After all, with featured articles we are trying to sell our readers - not on the destination as a great place to visit, necessarily, but on the article as an example of some of our best content. Overused though it may be, viewed in that light "charming" is an appropriate type of word to use, and is maybe the most accurate way to succinctly describe the town given, again, the space constraints DotM blurbs present us with.
Re: "famous" - I'll cop to that as a filler word, but I think the copy reads better with an adjective qualifying "Hill Cumorah Festival". I'm not going to advocate for this as hard as the other two points, though.
-- AndreCarrotflower (talk) 21:19, 28 April 2016 (UTC)

Dilijan[edit]

Place: Dilijan
Blurb: They call this resort town perched high in the Lesser Caucasian Mountains the "Armenian Switzerland" — but take a walk among the rustic, rough-hewn stone houses of Sharambeyan Street and you'll discover a character all its own. (should not exceed ~145 characters)
Article status: Guide (must be guide or above).
Time to feature: The lede says that the town has "mild climate", but since skiing isn't listed under "Do", I suppose we should avoid winter months and favor May-October
Nominated by: Ikan Kekek (talk) 10:45, 23 March 2015 (UTC)
Comment: Candidly, I'd never heard of this town until I clicked the article from Category:Guide articles, but it looks like an excellent article about a worthwhile place.

Nomination
Haghartsin-raffi kojian-DCP 4210.JPG


  • Support by nominator. This is a picturesque place and the article is nicely listified. Some prices may need to be updated, but I don't see anything that would otherwise prevent us from featuring this article tomorrow, which we won't do in any case. Ikan Kekek (talk) 10:45, 23 March 2015 (UTC)
  • Close The issues are not great, but I think these need dealt with: the Geological Museum should at least have a little description, the "Do" section needs to expand on each of the topics. The current bulleted list is as helpful as empty space, and it needs some "Go Next" listings. Also, is it misrepresented as a "resort town"? That is the first thing the article says about it, but none of the pictures, sites, or activities suggest that it's actually a resort town. ChubbyWimbus (talk) 14:02, 23 March 2015 (UTC)
I agree with CW, they are easily fixed but they do have to be fixed before the article goes on the main page. However, as Armenian phrasebook likely will go on the main page sometimes in the fall, and the OtBP section is otherwise practically fully booked for the rest of 2015, it will take some time before Dilijan will get featured. Per Climate-data, I would say the time to feature is from May to October. --ϒpsilon (talk) 19:07, 23 March 2015 (UTC)
I did my best, as someone who has no personal knowledge of the town, to address your concerns. I have no idea whether it is being misrepresented as a resort town. I think I'll post something about climate. Ikan Kekek (talk) 06:04, 24 March 2015 (UTC)
I created a climate chart and also wrote about the climate. See what you think of the article now. Reviews of the Geological Museum and Art Gallery of Dilijan on Tripadvisor were generally positive, but there were only 4 of them. I have no idea how much I'd like the museum if I visited; some of the art on display that I found pictures of wouldn't interest me. So I thought it was probably best to quote (with quotation marks and citation) and paraphrase from what the museum says about itself, and let travellers choose whether to go based on that. Ikan Kekek (talk) 06:47, 24 March 2015 (UTC)
  • Close. ChubbyWimbus' point regarding the "Do" section is well taken, and is also arguably applicable to "Buy" and "Drink" too. Also, we need coordinates in the "Eat" section. And finally, I understand there's a school of thought that holds it to be acceptable to configure dynamic maps such that some outlying POIs are left off the margins, but I think 8 out of 11 POIs invisible in the default settings is stretching it way too far. -- AndreCarrotflower (talk) 15:02, 1 April 2015 (UTC)
Well, unless someone who actually knows the town would like to fill in more information, we'll probably have to slush the nomination. I do have a question about the map, though. I have to reduce the zoom level to 11 to show all but one of the "Nearby" attractions (#10), but then the town is just an orange plus sign. From the viewpoint of seeing the numbers of listings, it's not so bad, because the plus sign is hiding only #2 and #3, so would you recommend that zoom level, even though the result is a regional map? Ikan Kekek (talk) 09:54, 12 April 2015 (UTC)
I think it's probably OK to make the "Eat" section "Eat and drink", given the remark in the "Drink" section. I'm going to do that now. Ikan Kekek (talk) 09:58, 12 April 2015 (UTC)
I zoomed the map in and recentered it well to the west of town, but that might need to be revisited if the Eat & drink and Sleep sections are subjected to thorough Geo. Ikan Kekek (talk) 07:59, 13 April 2015 (UTC)

[unindent] Thanks to User:Kiaora, the article is much improved. What do you all think of it now, in terms of adequacy of content? Also, should the map now be zoomed in a bit to make the town's points of interest more visible, given the higher number now covered in the article? Ikan Kekek (talk) 06:52, 22 August 2015 (UTC)

  • Support. Looks much better now. Thousand thanks to Kiaora and yourself for valuable additions. I'd prefer not to zoom in the map, as there are quite a couple of POIs outside the town that may go unnoticed if the map is zoomed in. The reader can zoom it in him/herself to get a closer look. ϒpsilon (talk) 09:20, 22 August 2015 (UTC)
  • Closer than before, though I still can't quite support this nominee. At a minimum, "Sleep" and "Eat" need price range templates, and Dilijan National Park needs to be moved from "Do" to "See", with coordinates for all the attractions within the park that are listed under second-level bullet points. Also it'd be nice if "Buy" was expanded a bit, but that's less essential. -- AndreCarrotflower (talk) 16:15, 23 December 2015 (UTC)
I thought parks were usually put in "Do" as places for activities. Is that incorrect? Ikan Kekek (talk) 08:54, 7 January 2016 (UTC)
By convention, city parks are listed in See. This may be a unique case where a national park has a listing within a city article. You could make an argument for Do, but See is probably more consistent. Powers (talk) 21:20, 7 January 2016 (UTC)
  • We're a little more than a month from Dilijan's stint on the Main Page, and we've yet to move the listing of Dilijan National Park from "Do" to "See". It's a quick fix. I'll do it myself if I absolutely have to, but I'm coming back to my Wikivoyage work after a long quiet spell of taking care of offwiki tasks, and I've got a lot on my docket. -- AndreCarrotflower (talk) 16:13, 5 April 2016 (UTC)
Well, I've now moved the listing to See and changed the listing type to "see". Is there something else to fix with that listing as you wrote a comment instead of just copying and pasting the listing yourself (it took less than 5 seconds)? ϒpsilon (talk) 17:21, 5 April 2016 (UTC)
Ypsi - I apologize for not being clearer about this. The park itself should go in "See", along with any sights and attractions in the park, but there are a number of hiking trails in the park that should stay in "Do" (perhaps we should create a "Hiking" subsection within "Do", as there are quite a few trails). For some reason, I had thought I went over all of this in an earlier comment, but now I see that I did not. -- AndreCarrotflower (talk) 17:34, 5 April 2016 (UTC)
Looking over the article further, I see there are also a few See listings that lack geo coordinates. -- AndreCarrotflower (talk) 17:43, 5 April 2016 (UTC)
  • It looks like someone (Ypsi?) got to the hiking trails before I did. I corrected a few other minor issues and now feel comfortable giving this nominee my support. -- AndreCarrotflower (talk) 22:05, 7 April 2016 (UTC)
Thanks for all the great work you did on this article, Ypsi and AndreCarrotflower! The article looks much better! I think we still have only 3 votes, though, with one demurral. Ikan Kekek (talk) 10:46, 14 April 2016 (UTC)
ChubbyWimbus, do you think this article is featurable now, or are there other necessary edits that have not yet been done? Ikan Kekek (talk) 14:36, 17 April 2016 (UTC)
I think I can Support the nomination. The pictures need to be cut down to probably just a few. It's a wall of pictures right now down the right. ChubbyWimbus (talk) 13:47, 18 April 2016 (UTC)
Thanks for your vote and comments. An alternative is to space out the photos more, so they're not all in a column one after the other. Which thumbnails would you want to remove? I would say the least interesting ones are The Geological Museum and Art Gallery of Dilijan, Dilijan museum of Folk Art, the strange-looking (overprocessed?) Khachkar at Haghartsin, and Traditional bakery beneath Tufenkian restaurant, but I don't think it's necessary to remove them all. Ikan Kekek (talk) 20:33, 18 April 2016 (UTC)

Washington, D.C./Anacostia[edit]

Place: Washington, D.C./Anacostia
Blurb: Despite its reputation among Washingtonians for crime and blight, east of the river lies a hearty serving of D.C. black history, from Frederick Douglass to Marvin Gaye. (should not exceed ~145 characters)
Article status: Star (must be guide or above).
Time to feature: Mar-May or Sep-Nov (midsummer is very hot and muggy)
Nominated by: AndreCarrotflower (talk) 20:28, 5 August 2015 (UTC)
Comment: Maybe it's because my work on Buffalo/East Side is still pretty fresh in my mind, but the moment I laid eyes on this article it appealed to me as a possible OtBP. The similarities between the two are striking: here we have a neighborhood that locals have a one-dimensional view of and tend to stay away from (and advise visitors to do the same), but where a rich slice of American history (and particularly African-American history) that's unknown even to many lifelong Washingtonians awaits those who are willing to defy conventional wisdom. There's been some controversy lately about nominators playing fast and loose with where the boundary between DotM and OtBP lies, so I'm happy to nominate a destination that I feel is both exceptionally worthwhile and unquestionably OtBP.

Nomination
Frederick Douglass House.jpg


  • Support as nominator. This is a Star article, which should tell you all you need to know about its quality. No significant edits have been made to this article since 2013, so it may be good to ensure that listings are up-to-date. Other than that, I think Anacostia is good to go. -- AndreCarrotflower (talk) 20:28, 5 August 2015 (UTC)
  • Support. A previously-unfeatured Star article. Who could oppose it? Ikan Kekek (talk) 21:09, 5 August 2015 (UTC)
  • Support, but a month or two before it goes eventually live someone should check that everything in the article is still in business. ϒpsilon (talk) 16:19, 6 August 2015 (UTC)
  • Support, for a comprehensive and interesting look at an often-overlooked corner of D.C. I'll repeat the caveat above that we should make sure everything is up-to-date before featuring. PerryPlanet (talk) 20:47, 9 January 2016 (UTC)

London/Hampstead[edit]

Place: London/Hampstead
Blurb: Dominated by the vast meadows of Hampstead Heath, this upscale, just slightly off-the-beaten-path suburb has long been home to many of Britain's most famous authors, artists, and thespians. (should not exceed ~145 characters)
Article status: Star (must be guide or above).
Time to feature: May-September
Nominated by: Ikan Kekek (talk) 06:49, 15 September 2013 (UTC) (original nomination); AndreCarrotflower (talk) 20:16, 12 August 2015 (UTC) (renomination)
Comment: I suppose there's no point in further delaying pulling Hampstead out of the slush pile, since the summer 2016 months are going to start popping up on the back end of our schedule grid before too long.

For those of you who don't remember or may not have been around at the time, Hampstead is a unique case: it was not placed on the slush pile because of any deficiencies in the article, but due to scheduling concerns. In 2013, both Hampstead and City of London were nominees for the following summer, for OtBP and DotM respectively. While they were both fine articles, policy holds that two different districts of the same Huge City can't be featured on the Main Page less than two years apart. The City of London, being the site of Wikimania that year, won out, whereupon it was decided that instead of having Hampstead linger on this page for almost three years, it should be temporarily slushed with the understanding that it would be renominated later for 2016.

Because there have been no substantial edits to Hampstead since that time, I think it's fine to retain the support/oppose votes the article earned before it was slushed (with, of course, the option for any editor individually to change, rescind, or further elaborate on their previous vote if they choose). As for any nominated article that's been untouched for three years, it would naturally be a good idea to make sure all the listings are up to date.

Nomination
Kenwood House, London - geograph.org.uk - 3318.jpg


  • Support. This article duly went through the starnom process and was confirmed as a star, so unless there's some problem that wasn't noticed or has cropped up since, there shouldn't be any issue with the article, and as I said, it is a lovely part of London. The London article was featured in July/August, 2012, so that's the only issue I can see, but by next June, almost 2 years will have passed since then. Ikan Kekek (talk) 06:57, 15 September 2013 (UTC)
  • Support, though I'm not convinced this article belongs in OtBP rather than DotM. Even if Hampstead isn't the most famous neighborhood in London, it's still fairly well-known.
As for the fact that London was featured as DotM in summer 2012, please see my comments here.
-- AndreCarrotflower (talk) 05:46, 16 September 2013 (UTC)
I'm not dead-set on it being OtBP rather than DotM, but as I recall, it's in Zone 3, and while Kenwood House is hardly unknown, it is not on the heaviest tourist routes, which are concentrated in Zone 1 plus the Kew Gardens and some other places I may be forgetting because I've been to London only once so far. I'll go along with whatever the consensus ends up being, and I would love to hear from Londoners on how they view the neighborhood in terms of beaten path vs. off the beaten path. Ikan Kekek (talk) 06:18, 16 September 2013 (UTC)
  • Support. Burmesedays did great work on this one back in the day. I would definitely call it OtBP. I've been there (mostly to see Keats' House), but only because I've lived in London—I wouldn't have made it on a week-long trip, and I tend to get around! --Peter Talk 13:42, 16 September 2013 (UTC)
  • Support, and of course listings have to be updated a little before it's featured. ϒpsilon (talk) 15:09, 13 August 2015 (UTC)
  • Support. It does need updating, but has a lot of good stuff. Something also needs to be done about the map - as lat/longs are added to listings they will get numbers, which won't match the current static map. I would suggest removing most of the listings from the static map, and adding a dynamic map to support listings. AlasdairW (talk) 22:16, 18 August 2015 (UTC)

Salalah[edit]

Place: Salalah
Blurb: With its temperate climate, Dhofar’s historic capital is a cool escape from Arabian summers, and a winter wonderland for divers and naturalists. (should not exceed ~145 characters)
Article status: Guide (must be guide or above).
Time to feature: July-September, or November-March
Nominated by: Ikan Kekek (talk) 05:32, 25 October 2015 (UTC)
Comment: This is a very unusual Arabian destination. StellarD has done a wonderful job on it, and it's in fine shape for a feature.

Nomination
Downtown Salalah Oman.jpg
  • Support by nominator. Perhaps StellarD will have ideas about how to make the blurb more colorful. Ikan Kekek (talk) 05:32, 25 October 2015 (UTC)
  • Support. I'll work on the blurb. I'd also like to change the page banner to something a little more enticing. Regarding timing, this is a flexible destination and could fill several calendar slots. The high season is July and August during the khareef, with the most important annual festival held in August. The shoulder months are also good times, as then the room rates are not so sky-high. For divers and birders, the best months are in the winter. – StellarD (talk) 07:57, 25 October 2015 (UTC)
  • Support Weather-wise Salalah probably could be featured during any month of the year. ϒpsilon (talk) 10:26, 25 October 2015 (UTC)
StellarD, do you agree with this? If so, please edit the "time" tab in the nomination to mention the best months and the fact that any month is fine to visit. Ikan Kekek (talk) 11:25, 27 October 2015 (UTC)
w:Salalah#Climate is what I based my judgement on. The temperature is quite stable around the year, and there's no month with torrential rain. ϒpsilon (talk) 12:19, 27 October 2015 (UTC)
I've omitted June because it can be quite humid, and expanded the winter months. The blurb would be best tailored to whichever month is chosen, as the character of the place changes quite dramatically. – StellarD (talk) 17:16, 27 October 2015 (UTC)
Thanks, StellarD. Could the blurb encompass both the khareef and winter in one sentence? Ikan Kekek (talk) 20:13, 27 October 2015 (UTC)
  • StellarD - to answer the question you posed in your edit summary ("how flexible is the 145-character limit?"): de facto, the standard is three lines or less of text on the DotM banner. The new blurb should be fine - it could even probably be lengthened by a few words, if there's something else you wanted to include but didn't feel you had space for. -- AndreCarrotflower (talk) 16:38, 28 October 2015 (UTC)
You might use the blurb for Praia as a guide; it's just about the absolute maximum length that fits on three lines. -- AndreCarrotflower (talk) 16:40, 28 October 2015 (UTC)
  • Support. Good information, if a bit sparse. Minor issues:
  • The "Climate" subsection should contain some prose rather than just the climate infobox.
  • "Go next" needs to be elaborated on a bit - sure Taqah is 35km away on Hwy 49 and you can drive to Mirbat in an hour, but why do I want to go to these places?
-- AndreCarrotflower (talk) 22:38, 28 October 2015 (UTC)
  • Comment I think it's a good article, but I think the descriptions are lacking the kind of information that makes the reader want to visit. Maybe it needs a "History" section or just expand the Understand section. It says it was historically famous for the frankincense trade; give us some history. It was independent until the Qaboos came to power; did its independent status contribute to any unique cultural practices, etc? What happened when the Qaboos took over? Why/How did things change? The Jibbali tribes "maintain" government distrust; What distrust was there to begin with?
I think the "See" descriptions are similar. Surely some of the sites are worth more than a one-line description. Where is the hook? Where is the juicy information that pulls me in?
Job's Tomb and Ayn Razat should be in the "See" section. ChubbyWimbus (talk) 11:50, 12 November 2015 (UTC)

Lady Elliot Island[edit]

Place: Lady Elliot Island
Blurb: At this island the impressive marine fauna and the corals of the Great Barrier Reef is just a dive away (should not exceed ~145 characters)
Article status: Guide (must be guide or above).
Time to feature: Per [1] Sep-Dec are best, but there are no bad months to visit
Nominated by: ϒpsilon (talk) 13:47, 21 November 2015 (UTC)
Comment: When nominating Hyden almost a year ago I really had to toss a coin whether to nominate that one or this one. So I have had my eyes on this one for quite a while. As the line of OtBP candidates is almost a year long I have to nominate Lady Elliott Island now to ensure it will be on the Main Page around this time next year. Most of the article content is written in early 2009 by User:Inas so probably a thing or two is not up to date. Nevertheless the article is probably better updated a month or two before the article is featured rather than now to make sure the article is up to date for the 2016-17 season.

Nomination
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  • Support as the nominator. ϒpsilon (talk) 13:47, 21 November 2015 (UTC)
  • Comment This is a small island with a single resort which seems to almost have a monopoly on eat, sleep and get in for most travellers. AlasdairW (talk) 00:16, 22 November 2015 (UTC)
Is that a problem? It wouldn't be our first OtBP like that - Childs isn't a resort, but it still has only one hotel, one restaurant (describing the convenience store/gas station as such is a stretch), and (effectively) one method of ingress and egress. -- AndreCarrotflower (talk) 00:44, 22 November 2015 (UTC)
My concern is that there is a single company proving flights, accommodation and meals, and it is a remote island. Childs may have only one eat, sleep etc, but there is no sign that they are all the same business, and one could easily go (possibly walk) to a neighbouring community to get something different. To me this seems to have something in common with Disneyland. I am not saying it can't be featured, but we must consider the issue, and the potential for negative feedback. AlasdairW (talk) 01:08, 22 November 2015 (UTC)
I don't think it's much of a problem, and of course we cannot do much about there being just one place for eating and sleeping :) . We just tell the voyager how things are and then its up to them if they'd like to visit or not. ϒpsilon (talk) 10:59, 22 November 2015 (UTC)
  • Very close. The article needs a proper lede, i.e. more than one sentence long. When that's fixed it will have my support. Also, this is a more minor concern, but it would be nice to see it addressed as well: perhaps this article's brevity is by necessity given that this is such an - ahem - off-the-beaten-path place, but are we sure we can't flesh out some of the descriptions on the listings? -- AndreCarrotflower (talk) 00:50, 22 November 2015 (UTC)
It's possible, WP and the official web site seem to have some more info about the place. ϒpsilon (talk) 10:59, 22 November 2015 (UTC)
Comment: I'd be fine with featuring this island. The only thing I notice that really begs the question is this: "Private craft must pay the appropriate fees, and cannot use the resort facilities." What are the appropriate fees? I think we should find out what those fees are and input them before running this article. I also think it's somewhat important to note the duration of flights to the island and its distance in km from the mainland. Another thing that would be ideal would be to indicate how hazardous or circuitous it is to sail to the island, given its position in the Barrier Reef. And would it be highly destructive to the environment to arrive on a motorized craft, such that only sailboats should be used? The length of the lede doesn't trouble me because the "Understand" section is informative. Ikan Kekek (talk) 03:06, 26 January 2016 (UTC)

North Central New Mexico[edit]

Place: North Central New Mexico
Blurb: Rich in culture and history, North Central New Mexico, with its high desert and mountain scenery made famous by Georgia O'Keeffe's paintings, offers much for the visitor. (should not exceed ~145 characters)
Article status: Guide (must be guide or above).
Time to feature: Any, though Sep-Oct are preferred
Nominated by: PerryPlanet (talk) 21:08, 23 December 2015 (UTC)
Comment: I'm not entirely sure whether this should be a DotM or a OtBP; Santa Fe, which is within this region, is undeniably a "destination," although this guide deals more with the larger region beyond Santa Fe, which feels more fitting as a OtBP to me. Either way, this is a part of the world near and dear to my heart, having lived most of my adolescence there; as such, I can confidently say that our coverage of this region is very good. With the recent revision to the region article template rules, I've been putting some work expanding and updating what was already a pretty good set of guides, and I can't think of any substantial gaps in our coverage here; several of the city/destination articles are at "Guide" status (with Santa Fe at "Star") and none are below "Usable."

Nomination
Santuario de Chimayo, Chimayo, NM.JPG


  • Support — the article looks good with nice photos and even a hand-drawn map. Some of the destinations like Taos have outstanding articles. ϒpsilon (talk) 21:44, 1 January 2016 (UTC)
  • Support - Well put together article, and the images are beautiful. -- Ryan • (talk) • 04:37, 8 January 2016 (UTC)
  • Support - That's really a great article. I agree with OtBP. Danapit (talk) 10:16, 8 January 2016 (UTC)
  • Support - Nice piece of work! Ibaman (talk) 11:14, 8 January 2016 (UTC)
  • Support. Looks very good, and I'd like to praise everyone who worked on the article and made it so informative and pretty! There's one thing I'm wondering about, though: The "Scenic drives" section of "See" presents what may seem to some readers like a daunting wall of text, even though it's divided up into different bullets and indentations. What could we do to make it more easily digestible? I'm thinking that it might help a bit if each drive got its own 3rd-level subheading, rather than a bullet, with the introductory text moved just below the subheading. I'm also thinking that structuring the various legs of the drives more similarly to the way they'd look in a good itinerary article like Route 66 would be helpful - in other words, the first leg of the "High Road to Taos" itinerary would have a 4th-order subheading of "Santa Fe to Chimayó". What do you think? Ikan Kekek (talk) 02:34, 26 January 2016 (UTC)
I think 4th-level subheadings might be too narrow a level of specificity for such short itineraries as these. And anyway, I'm not sure what you would title some of those 4th-level subheadings; for instance, your "Santa Fe to Chimayó" suggestion wouldn't be entirely accurate, because that paragraph also explains how to start the itinerary from Española instead of Santa Fe. However, 3rd-level subheadings sound great. PerryPlanet (talk) 16:12, 26 January 2016 (UTC)
  • Redundant though it may be, here's another support vote. -- AndreCarrotflower (talk) 20:19, 7 February 2016 (UTC)
  • Support - especially as it is a well done destination article for a non-urban area (with which we often have problems.) Hobbitschuster (talk) 13:58, 21 March 2016 (UTC)

When to feature[edit]

The time is given as "Any, though Sep-Oct are preferred" in the nomination. Especially given the large number of support votes, I think we should try to run it as soon as possible, which would mean during some month next winter. The article mentions that Christmas in NM is a special experience and that you can ski there. Are there some arguments for not running it in the winter? ϒpsilon (talk) 15:40, 17 April 2016 (UTC)

None from me. Even if I don't think December is the absolutely best time of the year to visit, there's still much to enjoy. It's even kind of fitting given the theme, because winter is when this region is at its most quiet and "off the beaten path." PerryPlanet (talk) 15:45, 17 April 2016 (UTC)
I don't think that "there are a lot of Support votes" is a particularly strong argument for ignoring a preferred Time to Feature. I guess this question hinges on PerryPlanet's remark above, "I don't think December is the absolutely best time of the year to visit". What exactly do you mean by that? Is it simply the cold weather that makes it that way, or are there more practical issues (i.e. visitor attractions closed for the season) to consider? If the latter, I'd prefer to leave it to 2017.
Though I should say that the schedule would also allow us to feature it in November 2016 rather than December, if that makes things better. -- AndreCarrotflower (talk) 15:55, 17 April 2016 (UTC)
To answer Andre's question, it's mainly just the cold weather. Some places do shut down for the season, but it's not so prevalent an issue that I would advise people to avoid the area that time of the year. November would be a fine time as well, given that you still have some of that warm fall weather, although by that point all the festivals will have already happened. Between those two I think I would prefer December for all the wonderful Christmas celebrations. PerryPlanet (talk) 16:07, 17 April 2016 (UTC)

Caldas da Rainha[edit]

Place: Caldas da Rainha
Blurb: Still undiscovered by most tourists, the “Queen’s Hot Springs” is a great place to experience the real Portugal. (should not exceed ~145 characters)
Article status: Guide (must be guide or above).
Time to feature: Given there cannot be too many US articles clustered together, either of Sep or Oct 2016 still has a vacant OtBP slot, I think. Otherwise time to feature is maybe Apr-Oct, or even anytime.
Nominated by: ϒpsilon (talk) 19:37, 7 February 2016 (UTC)
Comment: As Ikan said over here, this fine article should definitely be shown on the Main Page. And I don't think we need to wait many years to feature our first article from Portugal. Per the article's talk page, there are still some long lists that perhaps need to be cut down. Also, the latter half of the article could need more photos. Possibly Eat and Sleep need to be subdivided into price classes too. Nevertheless, there's still plenty of time before the article goes live.

Nomination
Chafariz das 5 bicas.jpg


  • Support --ϒpsilon (talk) 19:37, 7 February 2016 (UTC)
  • I hadn't looked at this article in a while. It seems to be in very good shape. I'll support running it, with the one caveat that we need to decide what to do with the list of freguesias, which seems kind of encyclopedic and not too user-friendly for most imaginable readers. Ikan Kekek (talk) 20:04, 7 February 2016 (UTC)
  • Weak support - great article, but I agree with Ikan that the Orientation section is way too long, especially for a city of only 27,000 residents. Perhaps we could deal with the freguesias as if Caldas were a Huge City, clustering neighboring ones together that are similar to each other. As to Ypsi's remark about timing, beyond what's already on the schedule grid I had envisioned Salalah in August, Anacostia in September, and Lady Elliot Island in October, but the latter of those three can easily be bumped ahead to November to accommodate Caldas. -- AndreCarrotflower (talk) 20:14, 7 February 2016 (UTC)
  • Support. I'm a bit biased, though, seeing as I have been the principal contributor. I have addressed the issue of the overlong Orientation section by removing the list of settlements from each civil parish (freguesia), but I do prefer to leave each parish itself listed. I'll see if I can find pricing info. in order to break out the Eat section, but Sleep falls within the 7±2 guideline for lists. I'll also dig for photos. Thanks, All, for the suggestions! —Nelson Ricardo (talk) 02:47, 20 February 2016 (UTC)

Nauru[edit]

Place: Nauru
Blurb: The world's least touristed nation offers a South Pacific experience that's decidedly atypical: on the coast, old artillery and pillboxes from World War II; inland, a desolate moonscape dotted with abandoned mining equipment, an urbexer's dream. (should not exceed ~145 characters)
Article status: Guide (must be guide or above).
Time to feature: Mar-Oct to avoid typhoon season
Nominated by: AndreCarrotflower (talk) 23:27, 16 February 2016 (UTC)
Comment: "An off-the-beaten-track destination if there ever was one", says the article. This would also be only our second country-level article to be featured (Singapore was DotM way back in 2006).

Nomination
Abandoned Japanese Pillbox, Nauru (1998).jpg


  • Support. Nauru is nothing if not a niche destination. Given that, it's impressive how thorough our coverage of it is. I can't think of anything in particular this article needs before it's featured. -- AndreCarrotflower (talk) 23:27, 16 February 2016 (UTC)
  • Needs stylistic / wording fixes - I recently happened upon this article and would love to see it featured (Zika permitting) but apart from the question whether all listings are up to date, just a cursory glance showed what appeared to be a handful of wording and stylistic issues, including footnote style links. When those are fixed, sure Hobbitschuster (talk) 00:39, 17 February 2016 (UTC)
  • Support - The article and the listings should be up to date as of last spring. I translated stuff from the Italian version and googled up a little more about this fascinating island. Everything available on the Internet of use for travelers, including that the island recently got its very first ATM, is in the article. ϒpsilon (talk) 05:29, 17 February 2016 (UTC)
  • Support. Hobbitschuster, have a look at the article now and see whether you feel it still needs style fixes. I just copy edited a few things in the article. I think it's a good article and don't clearly see what could be added to it, short of a local adding things only a local would know. Ikan Kekek (talk) 09:50, 6 March 2016 (UTC) - I'm crossing out my post completely. ChubbyWimbus' argument convinces me. Ikan Kekek (talk) 10:54, 6 March 2016 (UTC)
  • Not Yet Being such a small island/country, I think we can do better. For example "you may see remnants of WWII" (which should be in the "See" section not "Do"). What and where are they? This is not a destination crawling with so many things to do that things like the Japanese post can be glazed over. Reading the article suggests it essentially has nothing to see/do, so why would we NOT mention the few things that do exist? To go along with that, the "See" section could use an intro of some sort, because the listings don't draw me in. This article relies too heavily on the pictures (which are too many) to speak for it. The picture of Anibare Bay shows beautiful coral jutting out of the water, but read the description of Anibare Bay. No mention of that. Instead it reads like a copy-and-paste description of what all tropical beaches are. Why? What about those phosphate mines mentioned? Can you or can't you visit there? We should know and have information. I wonder if there are any interesting flora/fauna. As I said, right now, the writing is dull and doesn't really sell the island as worth visiting. Since this is the only article for the country, I think it deserves a bit more attention before featuring. ChubbyWimbus (talk) 10:48, 6 March 2016 (UTC)

Groningen[edit]

Place: Groningen
Blurb: A lively student city in the North of The Netherlands. Best known for her bicycle culture and characteristic city center. (should not exceed ~145 characters)
Article status: Guide (must be guide or above).
Time to feature: All year round, preference for summer months
Nominated by: Iceandsnow (talk) 22:38, 12 March 2016 (UTC)
Comment: On the article's talk page Groningen was suggested for DotM. This city is popular among the Dutch and deserves a wider public.

Nomination
Groningen - Hoge der A - vanaf de A-brug - Bert Kaufmann.jpg


  • Support. May need some minor copyedits, but otherwise good to go. -- AndreCarrotflower (talk) 22:52, 12 March 2016 (UTC)
  • Support, more or less along the lines AndreCarrotflower lays out. I copy edited through the end of "Understand". Some sections should be alphabetized. But there sure isn't a lack of information. Ikan Kekek (talk) 06:09, 13 March 2016 (UTC)
  • Support — looks good and is beautifully illustrated. ϒpsilon (talk) 06:42, 13 March 2016 (UTC)
  • Move to OtBP - if this is not off the beaten track, then what in Europe is? This may not be the smallest backwater town in NL, but going to Groningen isn't probably on anybody's bucket list. PrinceGloria (talk) 14:59, 28 March 2016 (UTC)
    • Disagree. Groningen is for Dutch standards a 'big' city, the metropolitan area counts 360,748 inhabitants. OtBP is intended for small cities, villages or unusual destinations. In the Groningen region for example Bourtange, Schiermonnikoog or Appingedam. Iceandsnow (talk) 16:16, 28 March 2016 (UTC)
      • Where does it say that OtBP needs to be a small hamlet? It says that it's for "destinations lesser known", and for an English-speaking traveller Groningen is certainly lesser-known than many smaller, yet popular cities and towns throughout Europe. We've had Turku and Trondheim, some of the key cities in their countries, as OtBPs. PrinceGloria (talk) 18:04, 28 March 2016 (UTC)
        • Well, I think you've got a point. Groningen is in my opinion suitable for DotM, but OtBP is also an option. Lets wait and see what other users think about this discussion. Iceandsnow (talk) 18:37, 28 March 2016 (UTC)
Groningen, like Turku and Trondheim (and Lodz and many others) are places that IMO could work well both as DotM or OtBP. ϒpsilon (talk) 18:50, 28 March 2016 (UTC)
The terms "off the beaten path" are of course abused quite often, but if we look at the grand scheme of things, I think Groningen belongs into OtBP for similar reasons that Antigua Guatemala belongs into DotM... compare Groningen to other places in its region - whether you draw the region boundary at the edge of Benelux, the Netherlands or Europe, it is quite easy to think of quite a handful of places that are much more tourist-y. For Antigua Guatemala very much the precise opposite is true. To sum my argument up in one sentence: How many of the "do Europe" crowd visits Groningen? Hobbitschuster (talk) 19:11, 28 March 2016 (UTC)
I was on the fence about this question, but Hobbitschuster's arguments have convinced me. Let's move it to OtBP. -- AndreCarrotflower (talk) 19:41, 28 March 2016 (UTC)

Nominations for Featured travel topic[edit]

Diving the Cape Peninsula and False Bay/Partridge Point[edit]

Place: Diving the Cape Peninsula and False Bay/Partridge Point
Blurb: Swim with the fishes at these protected reefs within South Africa's Table Mountain National Park — an almost infinite number and variety of them, plus seals, starfish, and sea anemones to boot. (should not exceed ~145 characters)
Article status: Star (must be guide or above).
Time to feature: Oct-May per Diving the Cape Peninsula and False Bay#Climate, weather and sea conditions
Nominated by: ϒpsilon (talk) 16:19, 6 August 2015 (UTC)
Comment: Yes, we definitely should give one of our nice South African dive guides a month on the Main Page. So how about this Star? --ϒpsilon (talk) 16:19, 6 August 2015 (UTC)

Nomination
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  • Support as the nominator. --ϒpsilon (talk) 16:19, 6 August 2015 (UTC)
  • This is a much better dive article than the previous nominee. Ideally I'd like to see the listings in this section expanded beyond one-liners (and I'm surprised that wasn't brought up when it was nominated as a Star) - but with Peter going inactive for the next little while nothing's probably going to get done about that, and anyway it's not enough to preclude my support. -- AndreCarrotflower (talk) 18:03, 6 August 2015 (UTC)
  • Support. I don't have much of a way of judging a dive guide, but hey, it's a Star, and it looks very informative and is certainly nicely illustrated. I don't know what would be helpful in terms of expanding that section; I suppose it will be clear to any experienced diver (of which I am not one). I didn't realize Peter Southwood had gone inactive; that's a pity, but I hope it's because he's too busy enjoying life and comes back rested before too long. Ikan Kekek (talk) 02:46, 26 January 2016 (UTC)
  • Comment The west side of False Bay is usually at its best during the winter months, but over the last couple of years has been good over a somewhat longer season, due to variations in the wind patterns. March to November would have described the season in 2015. I am not entirely inactive, but very busy on other projects. I still try to get in a couple of survey dives each week, so the maps are getting worked on when the sites are divable and scheduled, and I will try to go over the article soon to see if anything is dated. Probably won't get to update the map until May or so. If anyone has suggestions for tweaking the article in the meanwhile,let me know, and I will see what I can do. • • • Peter (Southwood) (talk): 09:42, 26 January 2016 (UTC)
Happy travels diving, Peter! :) ϒpsilon (talk) 17:12, 27 January 2016 (UTC)
  • I'll toss in a fourth support vote. Not that I know much about diving but like Ikan said, it's a Star. :) PerryPlanet (talk) 19:11, 17 February 2016 (UTC)

Money[edit]

Place: Money
Blurb: No matter where you go and for how long, you're likely to need something to pay with. Check out our guide to learn of the advantages and drawbacks of different forms of payment. (should not exceed ~145 characters)
Article status: Guide (must be guide or above).
Time to feature: Anytime
Nominated by: ϒpsilon (talk) 18:46, 7 September 2015 (UTC)
Comment: One of our most extensive travel topics that we haven't featured yet!

Nomination
ATM Masalli.jpg


  • Support ϒpsilon (talk) 18:46, 7 September 2015 (UTC)
  • Support. Looks good! -- AndreCarrotflower (talk) 12:59, 22 September 2015 (UTC)
  • Support Might be good to have a couple of sentences stating the obvious - different countries use different currencies and rates vary etc - at the start for first time travellers. It probably should have a caution "Check with your bank for definitive advice", as I wonder whether there are some statements that don't apply to cards issued by all banks in all countries. AlasdairW (talk) 22:01, 22 September 2015 (UTC)
  • This one would benefit from a 4th support vote. Ikan? ϒpsilon (talk) 21:49, 19 February 2016 (UTC)
I'm not sure I'll be able to give you an opinion. My mind has trouble with this kind of article. Ikan Kekek (talk) 22:27, 19 February 2016 (UTC)
  • Not yet - has been edited a lot in recent times, might need to wait a bit, I would not like a FTT to be edited a lot during its time on the main page. Hobbitschuster (talk) 18:38, 3 March 2016 (UTC)
The fact that it's been nominated is probably why it's being actively edited, and the article won't be featured before the end of June. ϒpsilon (talk) 18:47, 3 March 2016 (UTC)
Furthermore, in my own experience, the surge in page visits that articles usually get when they're linked on the Main Page often translates into an uptick in edits during that same period, anyway. Beyond protecting or semi-protecting articles during their time on the Main Page - an idea that we've considered and ultimately rejected in the past, edits to current DotMs, OtBPs and FTTs are inevitable, they generally do no harm, and any vandalism is generally noticed and reverted pretty quickly. -- AndreCarrotflower (talk) 21:37, 3 March 2016 (UTC)
I might have misspoken. What I was getting at is that we thus far have only featured articles that were mostly "settled", not requiring major revision. The money article has been basically rewritten more than once in the last couple of months, which is far from it being "settled"... Hobbitschuster (talk) 22:51, 3 March 2016 (UTC)

Driving in the UK[edit]

Place: Driving in the UK
Blurb: Left-hand traffic, imperial units, unfamiliar street markings and congestion fees; British traffic has some surprises for everyone. (should not exceed ~145 characters)
Article status: Guide (must be guide or above).
Time to feature: Anytime? Or just the warmer half of the year? And yes, there should perhaps be a month or two between this one and London/Hampstead.
Nominated by: ϒpsilon (talk) 09:41, 24 October 2015 (UTC)
Comment: I illustrated this one a while back, by then it already was a guide, I believe everything relevant about driving in the UK is in the article, and otherwise we can ask some of our UK contributors to help out. So why not have this one as FTT?

Nomination
Traffic on Romney Road in Greenwich, London.jpg
  • Support — Yup, here's Ypsi hogging yet another featured article slot [evil laughter].ϒpsilon (talk) 09:41, 24 October 2015 (UTC)
  • Support, but wait until 2017. Too many UK articles, and too many "Driving in..." travel topics, in too short a span of time. -- AndreCarrotflower (talk) 14:47, 25 October 2015 (UTC)
  • Support. This is a very impressive article in terms of its coverage, and perhaps a good example for other "driving in" articles. It should be proofread for possible copy editing before it's run (I did some copy editing but didn't try to be thorough). Ikan Kekek (talk) 04:28, 26 January 2016 (UTC)
  • Support because I'm delighted that a picture I took is being used. Daniel Case (talk) 03:16, 6 March 2016 (UTC)

Earthquake safety[edit]

Place: Earthquake safety
Blurb: How would you act if an earthquake strikes? Find out how to prepare for it and what to do afterwards. (should not exceed ~145 characters)
Article status: Guide (must be guide or above).
Time to feature: Any
Nominated by: ϒpsilon (talk) 16:37, 30 October 2015 (UTC)
Comment: Everything important should be here, per the talk page. If anyone living in an earthquake-affected part of the world has anything to add, or anything obviously erroneous to remove feel very free to do so!

Nomination
Rescue workers during recovery efforts - Van Earthquake 2011.jpg
  • Support as the nominator. ϒpsilon (talk) 16:37, 30 October 2015 (UTC)
  • Support It looks a reasonable article. The last paragraph of Tsunamis may be too strongly "don't climb a tree" as this New Zealand page does suggest doing so if you can't escape. It needs a "See also" before it goes on the main page. I am also wondering about having a "See" section which could a) list museums that have good explanations, simulations etc b) list past earthquake sites where visitors are welcome, and there maybe damage repair etc to be seen (see Earthquake tourism in Christchurch. AlasdairW (talk) 23:43, 30 October 2015 (UTC)
  • Support, I guess, though the article seems pretty short. Could it perhaps be expanded a bit? -- AndreCarrotflower (talk) 15:38, 12 November 2015 (UTC)
  • Comment. I'm thinking over whether to support this article or not. It needed a lot of copy editing, and I also didn't like that it told people to go home after an earthquake, seeming to discourage any impulse to stay and do volunteer relief work, which some tourists did in places like Nepal and Thailand after earthquakes. What do you all think? I realize this is about earthquake safety, not volunteering, but I don't think we should actively discourage people from helping out if they want to. Ikan Kekek (talk) 03:43, 26 January 2016 (UTC)
I guess I feel like it's featurable now, but I'd feel a whole lot more comfortable not being the 4th vote for it and having someone like User:ChubbyWimbus, who has a keen critical eye, or User:LtPowers or both, look at the article and see what he/they think(s) of it. Ikan Kekek (talk) 03:52, 26 January 2016 (UTC)
At a first glance, it seems a bit short. Without knowing more about earthquake safety, though, my comments would have to be limited to issues of style. Powers (talk) 02:51, 28 January 2016 (UTC)
Thanks for having a look at it. Ikan Kekek (talk) 03:26, 28 January 2016 (UTC)

The blurb[edit]

Is it just me or did you violate the "no would after if" rule? Could an English native speaker please have a look? I am not sure either, but if and when this is featured, we don't want an error in the blurb... Hobbitschuster (talk) 06:29, 31 October 2015 (UTC)

Yes, I agree. I just tweaked it. It doesn't promote our guide so much anymore, but it is more grammatically correct. Anyone should please feel free to tweak it further. Ikan Kekek (talk) 06:39, 31 October 2015 (UTC)

Copenhagen Airport[edit]

Place: Copenhagen Airport
Blurb: Scandinavia’s major air hub is a calm and pleasant experience complete with Danish design. (should not exceed ~145 characters)
Article status: Guide (must be guide or above).
Time to feature: Any
Nominated by: ϒpsilon (talk) 16:37, 30 October 2015 (UTC)
Comment: One of our better airport articles. A large thank you to User:Kalaha for starting up the CPH article and also writing much of the content.

Nomination
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  • Support as the nominator. ϒpsilon (talk) 16:37, 30 October 2015 (UTC)
  • Almost - The article looks nice and has (almost) all the things we would want in an airport article, but there are still some quirks and a few things that I would want a bit more detail about. E.g. the expansion plans: When were they announced and how serious are they? If they are put to action what will the effect on voyagers be? Hobbitschuster (talk) 06:37, 31 October 2015 (UTC)
  • Very close. Hobbitschuster is right that more could be said about the expansion plans, but that alone wouldn't be enough to preclude my support. A bigger issue is the need for copyediting (phrases like "In terminal 3, the terminus of Copenhagen Metro line M2 is located" make it pretty obvious that the article could do with some attention from a native English speaker). That being said, the information itself seems very complete and it shouldn't be too difficult to get CPH up to a featureable state. -- AndreCarrotflower (talk) 15:37, 12 November 2015 (UTC)
  • Comment - a number of things could be improved, e.g. we could use more photos, but in general I do not feel that expansion information in particular is needed unless the expansion is either a) underway, affecting the travellers or b) finished, and thus some info becomes outdated. Otherwise, it's still up in the air and unnecessary chaff distracting from the actual info. PrinceGloria (talk) 15:03, 28 March 2016 (UTC)
I can't find any text about expansion plans, has someone removed it? If so, at least one problem would've been fixed. ϒpsilon (talk) 15:47, 24 April 2016 (UTC)

Hiking and backpacking in Israel[edit]

Place: Hiking and backpacking in Israel
Blurb: Best known for its cultural and religious heritage, Israel also has plenty to offer hikers and backpackers! (should not exceed ~145 characters)
Article status: Guide (must be guide or above).
Time to feature: Fall or spring are probably best
Nominated by: ϒpsilon (talk) 22:44, 8 January 2016 (UTC)
Comment: A great article that I've had my eyes on for a year. Mostly written by User:Tamuz (huge thanks to him for writing it) and as I asked him about the empty headings he (who should know about this topic) said it's fine to remove them and he also thought the article was ready to be nominated.

Nomination
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  • Let's delete the empty sections for now, but I'm willing to support the article as is. Ikan Kekek (talk) 23:58, 8 January 2016 (UTC)
  • Support I like the article, but I am in no hurry to go hiking carry 7.5 litres of water per day! A few minor points: There are some empty sections that could be deleted, and before it goes on the main page it would benefit from some more links to other travel topics including a See Also section linking to other Hiking articles and other Israel topics. The article has a lot of internal links, possibly a few could go. AlasdairW (talk) 22:27, 13 January 2016 (UTC)
  • Looks good overall, but I can't support the article in good conscience until the empty sections are filled or deleted. -- AndreCarrotflower (talk) 16:31, 26 January 2016 (UTC)
Yes Done. ϒpsilon (talk) 15:53, 24 April 2016 (UTC)
Thanks, Ypsi. I can now gladly support this nominee. -- AndreCarrotflower (talk) 13:47, 28 April 2016 (UTC)

Historic Churches of Buffalo's East Side[edit]

Place: Historic Churches of Buffalo's East Side
Blurb: There's an embarrassment of architectural riches to be marvelled at in Buffalo's old German and Polish quarters: proud silent witnesses to the rise, decline and incipient rebirth of the Queen City. (should not exceed ~145 characters)
Article status: Starnom (must be guide or above).
Time to feature: Mar 2017 for Dyngus Day, otherwise Apr-Sep
Nominated by: AndreCarrotflower (talk) 15:18, 23 January 2016 (UTC)
Comment: By 2017 it will have been two years since Buffalo was featured as DotM. Ever since I wrote this article, I had envisaged it as a possible FTT, but I was going to hold off for a few months on nominating it because I assumed it would be a summer feature, and there's no need to have it clogging up this page for north of a year. Then I remembered that Dyngus Day - a Polish ethnic festival that takes place on Easter Monday, which in 2017 falls on April 17 - represents a unique opportunity to witness both the exterior and interior of many of these old churches, which (at least in the case of St. Stan's, Corpus Christi, and St. Casimir's off the top of my head; probably others too) are open to the public as festival venues. So, atypically for a Northern U.S. destination, I'm positing March 2017 as the month to feature this article - that way it will be on the Main Page until April 20, with the end of its run coinciding with Dyngus Day. The schedule grid currently extends as far as summer 2016, so maybe it's still too early to be nominating it now, but I wanted to do so before I forgot.

Nomination
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  • Support as nominator. -- AndreCarrotflower (talk) 15:18, 23 January 2016 (UTC)
  • Support. Absolutely marvelous itinerary. PerryPlanet (talk) 15:44, 23 January 2016 (UTC)
  • Support — the article looks great! When I saw you working on the article I sort of expected to see it on the Main Page someday. One thing, though; I think the Go section could use intermediate headings.
Another thing, is this a personal itinerary? Don't get me wrong, personally I don't agree with the ban on personal itineraries and would lift it right away, but someone might complain... ϒpsilon (talk) 18:39, 23 January 2016 (UTC)
Agreed about subheadings. Regarding the issue of whether this is a personal itinerary (which did creep up in my mind from time to time as I wrote it), it seems to be in a gray area - IMO the question of which East Side churches are most architecturally notable and most historic, therefore best suited for this itinerary, is only partially subjective. More to the point, though there haven't been any changes to the actual policy page, from subsequent conversations we've had on this site (particularly in vfd) it seems like we've gradually backed off from the hardline stance we initially took against personal itineraries. My reading of the current situation (correct me if I'm wrong, anyone) is that we still discourage the creation of articles in the format "(x) days in (y) destination" or similar, while leaving alone most other itineraries that might be construed as personal, provided they're reasonably well developed. And in any case, the prescribed alternative - folding all of this information into Buffalo/East Side - would easily overwhelm what is already the longest destination article on the entire site. I'll leave it up to consensus, but I am 99.999% confident that if anyone had an issue with this article under the personal itinerary clause, it would have come up already (at Starnom if nowhere else). -- AndreCarrotflower (talk) 19:42, 23 January 2016 (UTC)
It would be really good to have an agreement to a formal change in the "personal itineraries" policy, and I don't think it would be so easy to accomplish. As I recall, User:Texugo has been particularly skeptical about driving itineraries from one city to another, so I'd really like his input on this nomination. As for me, I think this article is a thing of awe and exemplary, so obviously, this is my vote of support for featuring it. Ikan Kekek (talk) 20:15, 23 January 2016 (UTC)
This article has a specific theme, which allows it to be created collaboratively. That means it doesn't fall under the "personal itinerary" prohibition. Powers (talk) 19:39, 24 January 2016 (UTC)
That's a good point, but wouldn't it very clearly apply to all the "X City to Y City" itinerary articles that some Wikivoyagers have a problem with? Ikan Kekek (talk) 02:12, 25 January 2016 (UTC)
It does have the element I typically oppose, which is no clear reason for a suggested order or starting/end point, meaning person 1 writes an itinerary saying "this itinerary goes from A to B to C to D to E to F to G", and then person 2 changes it (or even makes a different page) saying "this itinerary goes from A to B to E to F to C to G to D" and then person 3 says "this itinerary goes from "C to D to E to F to G to A to C to B" and so on, with several equivalently reasonable routes possible. Obviously this article is developed past the likelihood of anyone stepping in and changing it willy nilly, but the point still stands in that, for anyone not strictly following the arbitrary order frozen into the prose, it is more difficult to use than if the article were built as a travel topic. This is not actually the most egregious of examples, since the arrangement of the sites happens to be loosely circular and therefore somewhat limiting the number of equivalent alternative routes (though the start and end points are still arbitrary). That said, I'd still express a preference for not making up random routes when there is no obvious linear sense to the attractions. There is too much personal preference involved, and the article becomes less easy to use for anyone who wants to do things in a different, equally reasonable order. Texugo (talk) 20:32, 26 January 2016 (UTC)
You're right about the loosely circular arrangement, but the start and end points were very deliberately chosen and are absolutely not arbitrary. The starting point of the itinerary is also the starting point chronologically of East Side religious history, and the endpoint is symbolic of the end of the chapter of East Side history that gave us these churches, and the beginning of the next one. -- AndreCarrotflower (talk) 20:49, 26 January 2016 (UTC)
As long as that is clear from the article and unlikely to inspire or serve as precedent for other itineraries with no clear reason for the route order, I suppose don't have a huge problem with this particular case. Texugo (talk) 11:34, 27 January 2016 (UTC)
  • Support It is very detailed, verging on too long (30 pages as a pdf), but good. I think that it should have a summary in the introduction - something like "This is a 20 mile half day tour by car looking at the outside of churches (built between 18xx and 19xx) in Buffalo, New York (state)." If any of the churches can be visited inside then this should also be said, and summarised at the start so that the trip can be planned to fit the opening hours. It might be good to suggest ways of cutting the route short if pressed for time. AlasdairW (talk) 00:08, 29 January 2016 (UTC)
Regarding the interior of the churches, you made the same comment at Starnom, and I don't know how much there is to say about that without straying into Captain Obvious territory. The churches that remain active (either as home to their original congregation, to a successor congregation, or as an oratory) can be visited at service times which are listed in the main East Side article; those that aren't are off limits to the public. -- AndreCarrotflower (talk) 01:10, 29 January 2016 (UTC)
Sorry. I think that this is something that varies a bit by location. In many European cities most churches are open during the week. This may be primarily for prayer, but usually allows some sightseeing. So for the benefit of overseas readers it is worth being clear that the churches are closed. AlasdairW (talk) 15:56, 29 January 2016 (UTC)

Travel insurance[edit]

Place: Travel insurance
Blurb: Should something bad happen during your travels, being uninsured will often make matters even worse. Before going on a trip, check out our guide and discuss with your insurance agent. (should not exceed ~145 characters)
Article status: Guide (must be guide or above).
Time to feature: Any
Nominated by: ϒpsilon (talk) 14:35, 4 March 2016 (UTC)
Comment: Time for a new FTT candidate, as two of the nominees above won't be on the main page before next year. A shoutout to User:Hennejohn and User:MMKK2 for their contributions to this one. Can't think of anything missing, though I'm not an insurance expert. What do you think?

Nomination
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Cold weather[edit]

Place: Cold weather
Blurb: When it's cold outside, there's plenty of fun to do from ice fishing to skiing. Nevertheless, a cold environment can be very dangerous if you're unprepared — so check out our guide for some useful dos and don'ts! (should not exceed ~145 characters)
Article status: Guide (must be guide or above).
Time to feature: November, to kick off the Northern Hemisphere cold season?
Nominated by: ϒpsilon (talk) 19:22, 9 April 2016 (UTC)
Comment: Per the article's talk page, it was considered almost a guide already in 2013. I spent a few hours on a very cold January day adding to the article anything I could think of and then promoted the article to guide, now I've also drawn a new windchill diagram (the old one was considered bad), so the article should be ready for the Main Page now.

Nomination
Open Wilderness Hut in the Riisitunturi national park, Riisitunturi national park.jpg
  • Support ϒpsilon (talk) 19:22, 9 April 2016 (UTC)
  • Support, as it looks good and is an important topic, but I feel sure it will need more copy editing. I've done some copy editing through the end of the "Electronic devices" section. Ikan Kekek (talk) 23:22, 9 April 2016 (UTC)
  • Support It looks good. Maybe I am alone in this, but "nightcap" suggests a glass of whisky, not a hat to wear in bed. Is there any official advice worth linking to? AlasdairW (talk) 22:17, 10 April 2016 (UTC)