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Here we determine which articles are featured on the Main Page as Destination of the month (DotM), Off the Beaten Path (OtBP) and Featured travel topics (FTT).

Nominate[edit]

You can nominate any article you would like to see featured. Any destination, region, itinerary or event that passes the "What is an article?" test is eligible for nomination.

However, before nominating, please check that the article follows these basic guidelines:

Well-known and/or popular destinations should be nominated as Destination of the Month, while more obscure destinations should be nominated for Off the Beaten Path. Travel topics, phrasebooks, itineraries and other articles should be nominated for Featured Travel Topic. Where applicable, you should propose a good time to visit the destination as a month to be featured.

The basic format of a nomination is as follows:

{{FeatureNom
| place=Destination
| blurb='''[[Destination]]''' is a place of contrasts, and as such it...
| status=Guide
| time=March-June
| nominatedBy=~~~~
| comment=Great article and it's just luvvly-jubbly in the springtime.
| DotMImage=[[File:Destinationimage.jpg|thumb|300px]]
}}

Add a nomination to the end of the appropriate section.

Discuss[edit]

You can comment on any nomination based on timeliness and adherence to the criteria above, just add a bullet point (*) and your signed opinion.

===[[Destination]]===
Great article and it's just luvvly-jubbly in the springtime. TravelNut 25:25, 31 Feb 2525 (EDT)
* Looks nice, but shouldn't the Do section contain more than just quilting contests? ~~~~

Please note that the following are not considered valid reasons to oppose a nomination:

  • "I don't like it." All objections have to be based on the guidelines above: poor formatting, missing information, etc. Personal opinions, dislikes, etc. do not count.
  • "Wrong time of year." Articles are supported or opposed based on their content. Timing can be worked out later.
  • "Wrong type of place." Articles are supported or opposed based on their content. Whether it's DotM or OtBP can be worked out later.

Select[edit]

If an article gets several comments in favor and none against for a week or so, it's eligible to be placed in an appropriate time-slot in the Upcoming queue. If the objections are relatively minor and are being worked on, add them to the Upcoming queue tentatively (add a question mark "?" after the article). Feel free to move the queue around or swap articles if it makes sense. If a nomination clearly does not make the grade and if the objections are not easily fixable, they go into the Slush pile.

Once a nomination has been scheduled, an appropriate banner image and text blurb must be selected. Go to Wikivoyage:Destination of the month candidates/Banners to start that discussion.

Archive[edit]

Discussions for previously selected destinations are kept in the Archive.

Upcoming[edit]

Schedule[edit]

The following queue should contain about six months' worth of upcoming destinations. Note that new DotMs are rotated in on the 1st of each month, OtBPs on the 11th and travel topics on the 21st.

MonthDotMOtBPFTT
April 2019Istanbul - pending fixes and stronger consensus to supportBouziguesSouthern Ridges Walk
May 2019KaunasPleasanton - pending fixes(?) and stronger consensus to supportRoman Empire - pending fixes and stronger consensus to support
June 2019Fukuoka - pending fixes and stronger consensus to supportIlulissat - pending stronger consensus to supportSeinfeld Tour? - pending upgrade to guide and stronger consensus to support
July 2019Berlin - pending fixes and stronger consensus to supportYuryev-Polsky - pending fixes and stronger consensus to supportVikings and the Old Norse
August 2019SarajevoOlomouc - pending stronger consensus to supportMagellan-Elcano circumnavigation
September 2019Birmingham (Alabama) - pending fixes and stronger consensus to supportKamphaeng PhetThe Canadian - pending fixes and stronger consensus to support

These are not cast in stone, and the order can be changed if, for example, an excellent guide for a timely event is found. Whenever a guide becomes a current feature, it should be removed from the list, the discussion archived, and (when changing out Featured Travel Topics) a new month added to the end of the queue. Alternatives are OK; the whole point is to enable some discussion as needed.

Next changes[edit]

Decisions regarding which images to use as the banners are made at Wikivoyage:Destination of the month candidates/Banners.

The section below provides an opportunity to see what the upcoming featured articles will look like on the Main Page using the banners that are currently most popular on the above page.


Updating[edit]

On the date of the scheduled change, the DotM, OtBP, or FTT should be changed as close to midnight UTC as possible. When the featured page is changed, please follow the following procedures to do so and archive content to the appropriate pages. At each stage, please double-check that you are correctly moving content.

  1. Update the featured articles on the main page by replacing the current 'banner' template section with those of the appropriate banner for the new DotM/OtBP/FTT found in the Next change section above.
  2. Update the Photo credits page with the banner's original image, title and attribution.
  3. Add the former featured article to the appropriate archive page: Previous Destinations of the month, Previously Off the beaten path, or Previous Featured travel topics.
  4. Remove Template:Featurenomination from newly featured article.
  5. For the former featured article, add the appropriate parameter to the pagebanner template (directly after the image filename) to label the page as having been featured previously.
    • For former DotMs, add: dotm=yes
    • For former OtBPs, add: otbp=yes
    • For former FTTs, add: ftt=yes
  6. Archive the newly featured article's nomination. Simply cut-and-paste the nomination section of the newly featured article from this page to Wikivoyage:Destination of the Month candidates/Archive.
  7. Update the Next change section above by adding the banner from the discussion page. View the table in the Schedule section above to determine what next month's change will be, then update the image and blurb in the "Next change" section with that found in the upcoming featured article's nomination.
  8. Archive the newly featured article's banner by cutting-and-pasting all banner suggestions and the associated discussion into Wikivoyage:Destination of the month candidates/Banners/Archive.

Nominations for Destination of the Month[edit]

Berlin[edit]

Place: Berlin
Blurb: Germany's capital was at the heart of the Cold War and still bears the scars of wars and partition, but it is quickly reclaiming its place as one of Europe's - if not the world's - top cities. A vibrant cultural scene and surprisingly affordable prices make this "poor but sexy" city a draw for visitors and residents from all over the globe (again, I am not too happy with my blurbing skills) (should not exceed ~145 characters)
Article status: Usable, but imho only because nobody has promoted it to Guide yet; all districts are usable or guide, so that's not what's keeping it Guide (must be guide or above).
Time to feature: any - Berlin weather is terrible year round (though Spaniards falling in love with Berlin summer on holiday only to be miserable during their winter-Erasmus are surprisingly common) and there is really something to do all year (which might explain why Hertha BSC has trouble attracting fans)
Nominated by: Hobbitschuster (talk) 17:45, 26 July 2017 (UTC)
Comment: I know we have more than enough German language places "in the pipeline", but I just wanted to get this nominated there's no rush to get this actually featured; it can well languish here if some considerations make this necessary, but in case we have to slush something on short notice, I want this to be ready

Nomination
Bikinihaus Berlin-1210760.jpg
  • Comment - this is currently rated at usable, simply because I did not unilaterally want to promote it to guide. I think it is quite ready, but a bit of copy-editing might still be necessary. At any rate, we can safely hold this one in reserve (we have a lot of Central European places and topics as is imho) until we need an emergency replacement Hobbitschuster (talk) 17:47, 26 July 2017 (UTC)
  • Almost some sections are listy, and then there are listings in See and Do that should be moved to the district articles. As such, I'd say there is enough information in the article so that the average visitor wouldn't have to consult another travel guide. Therefore, it can probably be upgraded to guide status. --ϒpsilon (talk) 19:03, 26 July 2017 (UTC)
  • Close, the main problem being the issue Ypsi brought up about "See" and "Do" listings that need to be devolved to district articles (there also seem to be some "Do" listings that violate our tour policy and should thus be deleted outright). Also, though it's not usual practice to do so, I wonder if there's anything that can be done about the exhaustive list of embassies and consulates in "Cope". If not, no big deal - Berlin is a national capital, after all - but it seems pretty Yellow Page-y. -- AndreCarrotflower (talk) 22:51, 30 July 2017 (UTC)
  • Another thing: The article currently has no routebox whatsoever. How important should the existence and completeness of a routebox be for featuring? Hobbitschuster (talk) 15:34, 2 August 2017 (UTC)
  • Before featuring, I'd like somebody to go over the language and a sprucing up of the district blurbs. Otherwise I think the article is fine and getting better. And the district layout now makes sense for the most part, though I am still not 100% sure what to do with Wedding... Hobbitschuster (talk) 20:09, 23 March 2018 (UTC)
  • Weak support. I would support this completely, except that the "Do" section has some problems and the article seems to be understand- and get in- heavy. Selfie City (talk) 01:15, 25 May 2018 (UTC)
  • Comment: I'm not a regular participant on this project, just someone who came to read this particular page. I noticed that quite a few of the external links in the museum section need to be changed, as they're leading to 404-pages. Other than that, I found the article informative. Risker (talk) 05:47, 12 December 2018 (UTC)
  • Comment we never quite resolved the boundaries of Berlin/East Central and whether we should redraw them and if so, how. Hobbitschuster (talk) 20:27, 4 February 2019 (UTC)
  • I created a (quite crude) approximation of the "Wedding and Gesundbrunnen" district in my userspace. Obviously the lede and the understand section would have to be worked on and some other issues as well... Hobbitschuster (talk) 20:47, 4 February 2019 (UTC)

Sarajevo[edit]

Place: Sarajevo
Blurb: Surrounded by mountains on three sides, in this meeting point of east and west a range of sights present the city's dramatic and interesting history. (should not exceed ~145 characters)
Article status: Guide (must be guide or above).
Time to feature: May-Sep as a summer destination, though there are also some winter events and winter sports facilities (actually the 1984 Winter Olympics was held here)
Nominated by: ϒpsilon (talk) 17:58, 1 October 2017 (UTC)
Comment: We've never featured any article from anywhere in the Balkans, so let's amend that now! The article has been extensively edited as of lately, so we don't need to run everything through Google to check if it's up to date like we usually have to. I don't see any major problems with the article, but it does have a ton of See listings. Discussion is underway for what to do with them (see numerous threads on Talk:Sarajevo), but there is almost a year until the article will appear on the Main Page anyway, so there is plenty of time to make decisions and take action. When that is resolved, I'll upgrade my vote to full support. Good that we this time we have several people around who know the destination.

Nomination
Sarajevo view.jpg
  • Conditional support per comment. ϒpsilon (talk) 17:58, 1 October 2017 (UTC)
  • I would say districtification would probably be necessary before it gets promoted to Star, but for purposes of DotM I think the status quo works fine. There are no other problems with the article either, so I gladly vote support and send out my congratulations to User:Loaoa for his/her impressive contributions. -- AndreCarrotflower (talk) 22:41, 2 October 2017 (UTC)
  • Support. I agree that districtification isn't needed for dotm right now, though if the article gets too much longer it might be worth considering. —Granger (talk · contribs) 01:00, 12 October 2017 (UTC)
  • Support. Article is very readable, and although there are many See items, they are properly sectioned so I don't think that districtification would provide an added value here. Article looks very complete, why isn't this a Star yet? ArticCynda (talk) 16:57, 20 January 2018 (UTC)
Because the Star nominations page is in practice dead since the last couple of years.ϒpsilon (talk) 17:11, 20 January 2018 (UTC)
But feel free to nominate it if you think that's warranted. Ikan Kekek (talk) 02:39, 21 January 2018 (UTC)
So does that mean we're not nominating Stars anymore? And if so, why is that? ArticCynda (talk) 20:51, 2 February 2018 (UTC)
We are working to increase the number of active Wikivoyage editors. In the interim, however, it has sometimes proven difficult to sustain consistent participation in certain features of the site. -- AndreCarrotflower (talk) 20:54, 2 February 2018 (UTC)
  • Support. It's pretty long, but in general I think the article looks like a fine feature. Selfie City (talk) 01:21, 25 May 2018 (UTC)

Metro Cebu[edit]

Place: Metro Cebu
Blurb: Second largest urban area in the Philippines with the country's second busiest airport. Outlying parts have many beaches, reefs, dive sites & resorts plus the country's most important site for bird watching. (should not exceed ~145 characters)
Article status: Guide (must be guide or above).
Time to feature: Any, but probably best in northern hemisphere winter
Nominated by: Pashley (talk) 13:29, 30 June 2018 (UTC)
Comment: This article was Collaboration of the month for June 2018 & is therefore now rated Guide. It is the main transport hub for the southern Philippines. Many visitors choose to enter the country via Mactan-Cebu International Airport (CEB IATA) rather than via Manila, both because this airport is easier on travellers & because it is more centrally located in the country.

Nomination
Lapu - lapu Statue in Cebu, Philippines.jpg
  • Support as nominator. Pashley (talk) 13:29, 30 June 2018 (UTC)
  • Of course, this is being mentioned now the article finished its period as COTM. I think it's good to have a region article, and while this one could do with some more information still in some sections, I think it's quite a good idea. It's all up-to-date information due to the CotM and all the places underneath it are decent, as we know, so I'm supporting this nomination. Selfie City (talk) 23:07, 30 June 2018 (UTC)
  • Unsure, looks like all the subarticles listed in the Cities section are usable and most of the article looks OK. But Eat and Drink seem a little bit short. --ϒpsilon (talk) 20:38, 13 July 2018 (UTC)
Most travellers will visit only Cebu City and perhaps Lapu-Lapu, so the fact that most of the other articles on towns within the area are barely usable does not bother me much. Clearly improving them would be good, but it is not essential. The exception would be Talisay (Cebu) which is fairly large & important.
On the other hand, it would be nice to get the main cities up to Guide. I think Cebu is close, but it could use copy edits & more under Eat & Drink. L-L has problems; Drink is empty and there are only two Eat listings, far from ideal when you consider it is a tourist town & population is over 400,000. Pashley (talk) 15:44, 19 July 2018 (UTC)
I was a little unclear. Subarticles need only to be at usable status, and all of them are, which is good. It would certainly do no harm to have some of them at guide status, but they do not need to be. Secondly, I see no big problems with the article, though Eat and Drink looked a bit short. So there's no need to replace this one with Cebu City or Olango Island or some other article. ϒpsilon (talk) 16:24, 19 July 2018 (UTC)
  • Instead of making this region article DotM, there are two places within it that might be nominated instead, Cebu City (the area's main tourist destination) for DotM and Olango Island for OtBP (a strange one, about an hour's travel from an international airport but off the main tourist path). Neither is currently rated Guide, but I think both are close. Pashley (talk) 16:01, 19 July 2018 (UTC)
A possible advantage of this as DotM is that it was created here rather than on WT before the split, as were Olango Island & I think some of its other subordinate articles. This might be good for SEO. Pashley (talk) 17:31, 24 July 2018 (UTC)
Another option on the cards is Alona Beach. It’s only at usable status at the moment, but with some more work it could be at guide status. The problem is coordinates there, though — the place is so crowded in that it’s hard to be sure about them. --Comment by Selfie City (talk about my contributions) 14:42, 3 September 2018 (UTC)
The Cebu City article has now been promoted to Guide. The article for the region's other main destination, Lapu-Lapu, still does not have good Eat or Drink sections. Pashley (talk) 12:37, 12 September 2018 (UTC)
  • The Magellan-Elcano circumnavigation reached the Philippines in March 1521. In April they went on to Cebu City, their most important destination in the country, and Magellan was killed in a battle in what is now the city of Lapu-Lapu, named for the opposing chief. Both those cities are now part of Metro Cebu, so the 500th anniversary in April 2021 might be a good time to feature this article. Around then might also be a good time for the Magellan article. Pashley (talk) 22:52, 25 September 2018 (UTC)
The Magellan article should definitely be run next summer when they started the journey. Even if there'd be some really good excuse to postpone the Magellan article until then, if the reason to run Metro Cebu in April 2021 would be Magellan's visit there, we should not run the articles simultaneously, as we traditionally don't want to feature several articles with the same theme too close to each other.
If Metro Cebu needs to wait until 2021, it should (like London/Hampstead) be parked in the slush pile until when it's time to move it to the schedule. ϒpsilon (talk) 19:08, 21 October 2018 (UTC)
It does not need to wait until then, but it could. Pashley (talk) 00:34, 3 November 2018 (UTC)
Featuring articles in tandem with timely events is well and good, but I really wish that people would stop suggesting we hold nominees off for years and years for the sole purpose of making them coincide with some far-in-the-future event (see also: Birmingham, Alabama). A long period of time spent languishing on this page means that an article that was ready to go when it was nominated might well be full of outdated information by the time it actually goes on the Main Page. Magellan-Elcano circumnavigation is slotted for a summer FTT next year, but there's no reason we couldn't run a destination in the Philippines within the same general timeframe: by definition, a round-the-world voyage is not attributable to any geographical region in particular. Metro Cebu's "Time to feature" indicates a preference for the Northern Hemisphere winter, anyway, so it was a moot point from the getgo. -- AndreCarrotflower (talk) 00:44, 3 November 2018 (UTC)
Indeed. Sorry for sounding harsh, but after my comment in January where I was concerned about how long articles nowadays sit around on the Main Page there have been quite a few nominations that will have to wait for quite some time, and there have been many suggestions that this or that article should wait until 2020 or even 2021. ϒpsilon (talk) 20:54, 3 November 2018 (UTC)

Istanbul[edit]

Place: Istanbul
Blurb: Turkey's largest city is divided between Europe and Asia. Once the capital of the Byzantine and Ottoman Empires, it remains a world metropolis today. (should not exceed ~145 characters)
Article status: Guide (must be guide or above).
Time to feature: Spring or autumn
Nominated by: Yvwv (talk) 21:17, 10 July 2018 (UTC)
Comment: A lenghty article with elaborate district articles. The history section could use more text. Slushed in 2010, but has improved a lot since then. Except the recently featured Ottoman Empire, Turkey has hardly ever been on our front page. A new airport will open this autumn.

Nomination
İstanbul 4228.jpg
  • I want to vote oppose on political grounds (Yeah, I know, I am a major class A hypocrite, having been there this year) but I know we don't do that here, so *shrug emoji*. That said, if we have an article of equal quality and similar geographic position and so on, we should prefer that over this... Hobbitschuster (talk) 00:52, 11 July 2018 (UTC)
    • The ethics of tourism to authoritarian countries (or countries which have become more authoritarian during recent years) have not been issues against featuring destinations in China, Thailand, or Qatar. There is no clear evidence that tourism to such countries would either erode or support democratization, so IMO it is a question for each individual traveller's conscience. /Yvwv (talk) 12:44, 25 July 2018 (UTC)
      • Agree with Yvwv. The current regime in Turkey is certainly not my favorite, but I have no issues with the fine people of Turkey. But perhaps keep clear of politics in this context. Istanbul is one of the great cities of the world and deserves a proper article. --Erik den yngre (talk) 11:51, 3 September 2018 (UTC)
  • Almost Pretty comprehensive article, and the districts range from excellent to decent (all are usable, and a couple of them probably deserve guide status). The main issue I have with the article is the overuse of bullet points in some sections towards the end of the article, and among them a manual of style warning box. Also, if there are things to update, the new airport and possibly other things, they certainly need to be updated. Though anything that is updated today should probably be checked up again a month before the article is featured.

It should be up to the travelers, not us, to decide what they think about Turkey, and whether they'd like to travel there or not. ϒpsilon (talk) 16:48, 2 August 2018 (UTC)

  • Almost. There are some formatting issues and a manual of style issue with the article, but I think these can be fixed. Selfie City (talk) 00:09, 6 August 2018 (UTC)

Istanbul is one of the world's great cities. I'd say that, whatever the political situation, if the article is up to scratch & there are no travel advisories against going there, then we should obviously feature it. Pashley (talk) 12:47, 12 September 2018 (UTC)

Birmingham (Alabama)[edit]

Place: Birmingham (Alabama)
Blurb: Once the South's premier industrial center and later notorious for its role in the Civil Rights Movement, the "Magic City" is on the rise once again thanks to a growing population of trendy young urbanites. (should not exceed ~145 characters)
Article status: Guide (must be guide or above).
Time to feature: Mar-May or Sep-Nov (midsummer is very hot and muggy)
Nominated by: AndreCarrotflower (talk) 02:19, 5 August 2018 (UTC)
Comment: We have room for one more U.S. DotM in 2019, and here's my preferred candidate. I visited Birmingham in 2012 and found it a fascinating anomaly (a Southern city founded around steel mills and a railroad junction, rather than cotton fields?), with industrial relics that look like they could have been plucked out of Buffalo or any other Northern Rust Belt city. I'm especially looking forward to making DotM banners for this one; I have a couple really nice source-image candidates in my personal archives.

Nomination
Statue of Vulcan (5333922558).jpg


  • Very close, and I don't envision the fixes requiring more than a few days' work. Many listings are missing geo coordinates and there are a few of the wrong type (I'm talking specifically about the "Buy" section here), much of "Do" needs to be moved to "See", and the "Get in", "Get around", and "Go next" sections could use some further development. -- AndreCarrotflower (talk) 02:19, 5 August 2018 (UTC)
  • Needs work, as André just said. Coordinates, descriptions for many listings in Buy and Sleep, and of course photos. And when adding coordinates, closed attractions and businesses should be removed. BTW this is the only U.S. DotM candidate in 2019 so far, though there are indeed a huge number of American OtBP candidates. ϒpsilon (talk) 09:17, 5 August 2018 (UTC)
  • Comment Birmingham has been chosen to host the 2021 World Games. If we could coincide our feature with that event, I think we should. Hobbitschuster (talk) 09:38, 5 August 2018 (UTC)
I think we should definitely get back in the habit of synchronizing our featured articles with timely events that will be occurring at the respective destinations, but forcing a nominee to wait nearly 3 years on that basis before being featured would be unprecedented and unwarranted. -- AndreCarrotflower (talk) 17:47, 5 August 2018 (UTC)
Look, I really don't want to play the "I've been here longer than you and know what I'm talking about" card, but let me repeat myself: making nominees wait three years to be featured is something we simply don't do here. The more time passes between when an article is checked over and when it goes on the Main Page, the more of a chance there is for restaurants, bars or hotels to close or change their opening hours, URLs to go dead, new attractions to open their doors, etc. There have actually been instances when we've thrown nominees on the slush pile rather than having them languish on the DotM nominations page for too long. Now I'm sure there are plenty of other events taking place in 2021 that we can coordinate with a DotM feature, and three years is more than enough time to make whatever improvements are necessary to whatever article we choose. -- AndreCarrotflower (talk) 00:26, 6 August 2018 (UTC)
Also, Pleasanton is tentatively scheduled for May 2019, and the fact that Great Basin National Park has to wait until 2020 has nothing to do with the DotM column, but rather with the fact that there are so many U.S. OtBP nominees. -- AndreCarrotflower (talk) 00:29, 6 August 2018 (UTC)
Makes sense. How important are the 2021 World Games? Selfie City (talk) 00:33, 6 August 2018 (UTC)
PS: I'm sorry for having acted in such a way here. Yes, I was just trying to annoy you... --Comment by Selfie City (talk | contributions) 21:24, 10 February 2019 (UTC)
  • Comment - Not ready yet. I just moved the "Learn" section of naked names to the talk page, but there is a longish list of mere names of shopping malls in "Buy". Ideally, too, everything in a fixed location should have geo. Ikan Kekek (talk) 07:34, 27 October 2018 (UTC)

Oslo[edit]

Place: Oslo
Blurb: Norway's capital and largest city has a heritage back to the Viking Age, and is known for winter sport venues and sustainable architecture. (should not exceed ~145 characters)
Article status: Guide (must be guide or above).
Time to feature: Late winter for snow, May for National Day, summer for city-life
Nominated by: Yvwv (talk) 23:18, 2 September 2018 (UTC)
Comment: The only Nordic capital yet to be featured. Lots of buildings finished during recent years. While still one of the world's most expensive cities, the krone has fallen since its record level around 2013 (from 0.18 US$ to 0.12).

Nomination
Slott noreg bak 1.jpg


  • Could do with some work, but otherwise looks like a quite a good nomination. As the previous sentence suggests, I have some fairly minor concerns with nominating this article. But before I get to them, I think we ought to go with summer if possible for this nomination. I can imagine that Oslo is too cold to be enjoyable for tourists during much of the year. Even if it isn't too cold, if we post up Oslo in February on the main page, most people will think that it's cold and they won't want to go there.
Now to the nitty-gritty. When you nominate a huge city article (that is, one with districts underneath it), you are nominating the districts as well as the city article itself. The Oslo Center District article is only at usable status, and while most of the article sections in that district article look fine, the "Do" section has only one listing — one listing. And while "see" makes up for this with a total of 17 listings, the lack of "Do" listings makes it obvious that there are things you can do in downtown Oslo not mentioned in this article. If there are any "see" listings that are actually things to do, then this is not a concern, since we can just move those "see" listings down to the correct section. I also noticed a marker for "Do" that was in the "Get around" section.
The Western Oslo district article has no "Understand" section and is rated at usable; the Inner North, North, Inner East, and South district articles are all rated at usable status. So can we consider the huge city article to be at guide status if all the district articles underneath it are rated at usable status? While I think a lot of these district articles could be promoted to guide status, not all of them could.
On the other hand, however, none of these district articles are terrible, and the huge city article has quite a lot of information. So I think some work should go into the lower-level articles, but the huge city article looks good. Next summer it would be nice to see this on the front page if we can get the above-listed work done by then. --Comment by Selfie City (talk about my contributions) 23:38, 2 September 2018 (UTC)
    • For cities it is not always clear how to sort items into Do, Drink and See. For instance Rockefeller (a major concert venue) I would list under Do, now it is listed as Drink. Erik den yngre (talk) 11:31, 3 September 2018 (UTC)
  • Comment — Oslo is a fairly important center for winter sports (especially as a spectator sport), so we can very well run it during the winter too (and then of course the cold weather is part of the experience). I'm afraid this is going to sit around until summer 2020, though, as the summer of 2019 is fully booked; matter of fact if Kaunas is moved up to the DotM page, I think or some other DotM from Europe is likewise going to be left sitting around until 2020 :/ .
When it comes to city districts, they only need to be usable (but all of them do have to be usable) for the main city article to be guide. Think of it this way, city articles are divided into districts when/because they are so stuffed with listings that they become unwieldy. This by definition means that the city article has enough listings for guide status and the Main Page, the listings have only been distributed around several district articles for easier reading and usage.
All in all, I remember the Oslo article was in a pretty good shape when districtifying it almost exactly two years ago, though the article and the listings in the districts could benefit from an update closer to the time when we run it on the Main Page. --ϒpsilon (talk) 13:21, 3 September 2018 (UTC)
Thanks, Ypsilon, this is very helpful. I have a couple questions, though:
  1. What about May? Is that open?
  2. Why does it have to wait 2 years? We don’t have 24 DOTM nominations. --Comment by Selfie City (talk about my contributions) 14:53, 3 September 2018 (UTC)
We can only fit so many articles in the summer slots and most places in Europe, USA and Canada are best featured from May-Sep. These are the parts of the world we cover best by far (probably because most of the en-WV community comes from these parts of the world) and therefore the summer tends to be "sold out" more or less one year ahead. Right now we have quite many European DotM candidates (somewhat comparable to the situation of American OtBP candidates) and to keep the Main Page varied, we really don't want to have European DotMs for, say, four months straight in the schedule. Then comes the autumn and except for nominees from the Mediterranean (or for the US, from places like Florida, Hawaii or California) or places that are suitable for a winter visit, the next time European, US and Canadian articles can be featured weather-wise is late next spring. ϒpsilon (talk) 16:51, 3 September 2018 (UTC)
Well I plan to nominate York for a November or a December slot. It's not ready yet, though.
I see no problem with a winter slot for Oslo, but haven't looked at the article yet.--ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 17:41, 3 September 2018 (UTC)

Portland (Oregon)[edit]

Place: Destination
Blurb: Oregon's largest city attracts young Americans looking for a sustainable lifestyle. (should not exceed ~145 characters)
Article status: Guide (must be guide or above).
Time to feature: northern summer
Nominated by: Yvwv (talk) 13:11, 1 October 2018 (UTC)
Comment: Slushed in 2010, but has grown a lot since then. Has all the essentials of a city article.

Nomination
MAX and bus side-by-side on Portland Mall, 5th & Yamhill.jpg
  • Not yet — at a first glance it looks like a solid article, but some listings lack description (most notably in the Sleep section). The article has a huge number of Eat listings (83!). Yes, some of them are local chains with several restaurants but still... ϒpsilon (talk) 15:49, 5 October 2018 (UTC)
  • If being complete means adding even more length and listings to an already overlong and over-listy article, as Ypsilon said (and I agree with him), then the answer is that Portland needs to be districtified first. -- AndreCarrotflower (talk) 15:52, 5 October 2018 (UTC)
Interestingly, districtification has already been discussed three times on Talk:Portland (Oregon). ϒpsilon (talk) 13:39, 6 October 2018 (UTC)

Slush?[edit]

Between this nomination and Talk:Portland (Oregon) (and just look at the article itself!), there's a strong indication that this article ought to be districtified before it's put on the Main Page. That's a formidable task that, in the nearly five months since it's been nominated, no one has bothered to get started on. Also, the nominee doesn't currently have any Support votes to go on the Main Page as is. Are we going to get moving on this or should Portland be slushed? -- AndreCarrotflower (talk) 05:23, 25 February 2019 (UTC)

Agree, let's slush for now.--ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 10:56, 25 February 2019 (UTC)
As discussed, Portland needs to be districtified. It shouldn't be to difficult to divide the city into a couple of districts, for example per the suggestion in Talk:Portland_(Oregon)#Districtification.
But as the schedule is full for the warm months of 2019, Portland is either going to sit around for 1+ year or something from the schedule will have to give up its place. -- ϒψιλον (talk) 11:54, 25 February 2019 (UTC)
Ypsi - Now that you mention it, I do remember the districtification of Riga ahead of its term of DotM took much less time than I'd expected. But the question is: given all the other work that needs to be done, on other DotM candidates and elsewhere on the site, is anyone actually going to take on this project? We have enough DotM candidates, and enough Guide-level articles especially among U.S. destinations, that it would be no big deal if we slushed Portland, not to mention that it was nominated too late to make the summer 2019 schedule anyway. I'd say let's revisit this issue in three months and see if any progress has been made in the interim. What do you (and others) think about that? -- AndreCarrotflower (talk) 16:06, 25 February 2019 (UTC)
I've never used more than a few days to districtify a city. Usually it does just take a couple of hours to move the listings, once the district division and borders have been decided. Then the main article needs some more content in sections that formerly had listings, district articles need some info in Understand and Get in (a look at the city's map and public transport network map is often enough), and then a district map needs to be created.
I could help out with districtifying Portland, but it will have to wait a while; other WV projects (yup, also DotM related :)) have priority. -- ϒψιλον (talk) 18:49, 25 February 2019 (UTC)
Portland is now districtified. -- ϒψιλον (talk) 19:44, 12 March 2019 (UTC)
  • Borderline between support and not yet. I find it hard to make up my mind here. The eat section, for example, is much to long, and therefore is like a yellow pages guide and not a travel guide. Otherwise, however, it looks like a reasonably good article. --Comment by Selfie City (talk | contributions) 23:26, 25 February 2019 (UTC)

Districts[edit]

Regarding the fact that, as Ypsilon says, it's now districtified, I have a couple thoughts:

  1. I think it would make sense for Portland to be moved to Portland and for the disambiguation page to moved to Portland (disambiguation).
  2. Good news about the districtification! The district articles look good, although perhaps they could do with some more general information. (For example, none of them have an "understand" section.)
  3. In the "districts" section of the main article, there definitely ought to be a description of each of the districts, so travelers can know a little about each district before visiting their respective pages.

--Comment by Selfie City (talk | contributions) 00:56, 13 March 2019 (UTC)

Better to have that discussion in Talk:Portland_(Oregon)#Districtification_for_DotM, there indeed are still some things both the main Portland article and the district articles need. ϒψιλον (talk) 05:10, 13 March 2019 (UTC)

Kaunas[edit]

Place: Kaunas
Blurb: Lithuania's second biggest city boasts a beautiful old town and a vibrant cultural life. (should not exceed ~145 characters)
Article status: Guide (must be guide or above).
Time to feature: May-Aug (there was an open slot in June 2019???)
Nominated by: ϒpsilon (talk) 18:52, 12 August 2018 (UTC)
Comment: In 2014 I spent some time cleaning up and updating this article, hoping to see it on the Main Page as DotM or OtBP (Kaunas is one of those places that aren't really on the beaten path but not really off either) but that did never happen. There's a lot of information in all sections but it needs to be updated before we run the article, also there are some POIs added later that lack coordinates.

Nomination
Vytautas the Great Bridge from hill, Kaunas, Lithuania - Diliff.jpg
  • Support, but those updates need to be done a little before the article is featured. --ϒpsilon (talk) 18:52, 12 August 2018 (UTC)
  • Support, but as the second-largest city in the country, I think this is a DotM rather than an OtBP. -- AndreCarrotflower (talk) 18:57, 12 August 2018 (UTC)
Could work as both DotM and OtBP, it's a major city but in one of the lesser visited parts of Europe. If it wouldn't result in too many European articles in the DotM section (which I was afraid it would), feel free to move it up there. ϒpsilon (talk) 19:06, 12 August 2018 (UTC)
I think there's more in the OTBP section than DOTM, so it would make sense to be moved to DOTM. Also, I haven't voted on this one yet, and from what I've seen it looks quite good, and I support. What I would like to see however, considering the Pleasanton nomination I made, is longer descriptions for listings in Kaunas' eat section. Selfie City (talk) 19:23, 12 August 2018 (UTC)
I guess Kaunas should be moved up to the DotM section, then. I'll try to expand the listings when running them through Google maps a few weeks before the article is featured. --ϒpsilon (talk) 10:35, 21 August 2018 (UTC)
No objections, so I'll move Kaunas up to DotM now. ϒpsilon (talk) 16:00, 5 October 2018 (UTC)

Support --ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 08:11, 13 August 2018 (UTC)

Fukuoka[edit]

Place: Fukuoka
Blurb: Warm weather, a friendly populace, and a relative lack of chaos combine to make Kyushu's lively yet laid-back hub city a great introduction for first-time visitors to Japan. (should not exceed ~145 characters)
Article status: Guide (must be guide or above).
Time to feature: Mar-Nov, Jul and Aug less preferable due to heat and humidity
Nominated by: AndreCarrotflower (talk) 00:19, 3 November 2018 (UTC)
Comment: Our Summer 2019 schedule is chock full of U.S. and European destinations; here's something different.

Nomination
Hakata Station illuminations.JPG


  • Very close, and the fixes are fairly easy. The "Do" section is the biggest problem: it contains plenty of content but is disorganized. Many of the listings belong in other sections: "See", "Buy", "Eat", and even "Go next"; the rest should be broken down into subcategories. In addition, "Eat" could use a few more restaurant listings to go with the copious information about local specialties, there are many listings without coordinates, and the lede needs to be expanded and made more interesting. -- AndreCarrotflower (talk) 00:19, 3 November 2018 (UTC)
  • Needs work. André already listed the article's issues. The fact the so many listings lack coordinates may indicate that they have been added before we introduced coordinates and dynamic maps here on WV, so we should check if the establishments still exist.ϒψιλον (talk) 21:27, 3 November 2018 (UTC)

Zhuhai[edit]

Place: Zhuhai
Blurb: Warm weather, some nice islands & beaches, good shopping, lively nightlife. (should not exceed ~145 characters)
Article status: Guide (must be guide or above).
Time to feature: any, with a preference for N hemisphere winter
Nominated by: Pashley (talk) 13:05, 14 January 2019 (UTC)
Comment: Our Summer 2019 schedule is chock full of U.S. and European destinations; here's another Asian one.

Nomination

China-zhuhai.jpg


  • I am not certain how up-to-date this article is & it lacks a map, but it looks near ready. The city is interesting & fairly heavily touristed, mostly northern Chinese fleeing their harsh winters or Hong Kong & Taiwan people coming for cheap shopping & entertainment. Pashley (talk) 13:05, 14 January 2019 (UTC)
  • Overall the article looks pretty complete. Our coverage of the city's islands is currently weak—for "the city of a hundred islands" that's not great, but I don't know if it's a barrier to featuring. I'm going to be traveling to Zhuhai for a few days later this month, so I should be able to get a sense of whether there's anything else that needs work.
One thing the article certainly needs is coordinates for the listings and the ferry terminals. A map showing the districts would be nice too. Anyone who wants to add coordinates, be careful not to copy them directly from Google Maps or Baidu Maps (see Talk:China#GPS coordinates in China). —Granger (talk · contribs) 03:58, 15 January 2019 (UTC)
  • Not yet. As Granger said, the lack of coordinates for the listings is the most significant barrier to featuring. Also, regarding the comment in the feature nomination template: DotM has become popular enough that the wait time between nomination and Main Page feature is generally between 6 and 12 months barring an extreme mishap with an already-scheduled article, so summer 2019 isn't going to happen. -- AndreCarrotflower (talk) 04:35, 15 January 2019 (UTC)
  • Needs work; mostly coordinates and a checkup that each listing still exists. After a look at the climate table in Wikipedia I think this should be run in the Northern Hemisphere winter, just as stated in the "time" parameter. -- ϒψιλον (talk) 12:51, 15 January 2019 (UTC)
  • Close. I got back from my trip and think the article seems pretty complete. Once coordinates are added, I think it'll be just about ready for featuring.
It would also be good to improve coverage of the Wanshan Islands (currently only described very briefly) and to rewrite the "Eat" section so all the restaurants have names and addresses (some just have general descriptions and somewhat vague directions). I'm not sure those fixes are necessary for featuring, though.
I agree with Northern Hemisphere winter—summer around here is hot and humid. —Granger (talk · contribs) 02:58, 2 February 2019 (UTC)

San Miguel de Allende[edit]

Place: San Miguel de Allende
Blurb: This artsy colonial city with exciting events is not only a destination to visit but has for many become a second home. (should not exceed ~145 characters)
Article status: Guide (must be guide or above).
Time to feature: Fall or spring are probably best (how about Oct or Nov 2019 for Día de Muertos; I think these are the next slots we're looking for articles for?)
Nominated by: ϒψιλον (talk) 12:13, 20 January 2019 (UTC)
Comment: It's a while since we last ran a Mexican article on the Main Page, and here's a nice one (you guessed it, largely thanks to StellarD) which I just added coordinates to and tidied up a bit.

Nomination
The narrow streets of San Miguel.jpg
  • Support. Thank you Ypsilon for taking the time to finally clean up the article. As you've suggested, this would be a good candidate for either spring or fall, or Día de Muertos. My only comment is that the listing for the UNESCO site of Atotonilco should either be expanded, or possibly split into a new article. This has been brought up before, and I'd forgotten about it (again). –StellarD (talk) 17:44, 20 January 2019 (UTC)
  • Support. However, the climate data needs to be turned into a proper template before featuring. --Comment by Selfie City (talk | contributions) 22:18, 20 January 2019 (UTC)

York[edit]

Place: York
Blurb: Ancient capital city where the Romans, Angles and Vikings ruled northern England, York's many attractions include its magnificent minster and the largest railway museum in the world. (should not exceed ~145 characters)
Article status: Guide (must be guide or above).
Time to feature: Any, but recommend back half of year: 1 Aug is Yorkshire day, Sept has the highest concentration of major events, and there are also lots of pre-Christmas festivities. The weather may be poor in Nov/Dec, but the atmosphere is magical and nobody visits northern England for the weather anyway.
Nominated by: ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 18:37, 10 February 2019 (UTC)
Comment: One of England's most-visited cities, so deserves a crack at the main page - this would be the first time a British city had been DOTM since Manchester in 2015. I have been working on this one pretty solidly since September, so hope you all like it. Work is 95% complete, with the only issues which still need to be resolved being: a lot more images are needed, the lede needs a rewrite, plus anything which comes up in comments here. My blurb (above) probably needs work as well.

Nomination
York Minster from M&S.JPG
  • Support as nominator.--ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 18:42, 10 February 2019 (UTC)
  • Support --Comment by Selfie City (talk | contributions) 21:14, 10 February 2019 (UTC)
  • Support. A really nice article, I looked at it until I could find something to complain about... and the airports in Get in need coordinates and the Drink section perhaps could use one more photo towards the end. ϒψιλον (talk) 15:47, 12 February 2019 (UTC)
Thank you for your support and for trying so hard to find faults ;-) I definitely haven't finished adding photos, it's just that finding good quality ones which are suitable takes time.
About the airports, generally I don't put co-ordinates for locations not in or near the place covered in the article. Plus the IATA code links to the article which covers the airport in detail. Do you still think I should put in the co-ords? --ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 16:37, 12 February 2019 (UTC)
I have a habit of adding geo locations of important airports and other stations so that the traveller can visualize on the map where they will end up (relative to points of interest, hotels etc.) when they step off the vehicle. Do as you like. ϒψιλον (talk) 17:06, 12 February 2019 (UTC)

Nominations for Off the Beaten Path[edit]

Yuryev-Polsky[edit]

Place: Yuryev-Polsky
Blurb: Smack-dab in the middle of the Golden Ring tourist circuit yet relatively little visited, this sleepy old Russian town is gathered around a magnificent 13th-century cathedral. (should not exceed ~145 characters)
Article status: Guide (must be guide or above).
Time to feature: Jun 2018 preferred, otherwise Apr-Aug
Nominated by: AndreCarrotflower (talk) 04:02, 23 November 2017 (UTC)
Comment: Ordinarily I'd be hesitant to nominate an article that needs so much work before featuring (see my comments below), but several factors converge to make Yuryev-Polsky IMO the best choice for the still-vacant June 2018 OtBP slot.

For one, the geographical options are limited:

  • the nearby articles on the bracket trend very heavily toward Northwestern Europe (Erlangen OtBP May 2018, Höfn OtBP July 2018, Wales DotM July 2018)
  • through the end of 2018, we're already saturated with the maximum number of North American nominees we can handle (Underground Railroad, FTT July 2018, took the last available slot),
  • the convergence of Downtown Shanghai (DotM May 2018) and Ottoman Empire (FTT May 2018) would make an Asian feature awkward (especially given that we want to stay away from more equatorial regions like the Arabian Peninsula, the Indian Subcontinent, and Southeast Asia around midsummer), and
  • for similar reasons of uncomfortably hot weather, Mediterranean Europe is also less than ideal for a June-July Main Page sojourn.

Secondly, it's worth noting that other than Yuzhno-Sakhalinsk - a Siberian wilderness backwater closer to Seattle than Moscow - it's been since 2013 that we've featured a Russian destination on the Main Page.

Finally: though this article appears to be a more-or-less straight translation of its analogue on ru: and there's little if anything more to be gleaned from translating from there, it bears emphasizing that Yuryev-Polsky is part of the "Golden Ring" tourist circuit of Russian historic cities, so the chances are good that we can glean additional information from the Internet to flesh out the listings.

Nomination
Vadimrazumov copter - Yuriev-Polskiy 3.jpg


  • Not yet, though the problems with this article are easier fixes than it may look like at first blush. The most demanding task here is the need to flesh out the "Get around" section. (For starters, it looks like much of the prose in the "Orientation" subsection of "Understand" could be retooled and moved there.) There are many others which, while also major deficiencies, require relatively little actual work to fix:
  • There is no dynamic map, nor any geo coordinates for the listings.
  • The bullet-point lists in the various "Get in" subsections should be converted to prose, and in "By plane", we might want to give directions to the town from the various Moscow-area airports.
  • The "Eat" and "Sleep" sections might need to be expanded; "Drink" definitely does.
  • "Go next" and "See" need to be reformatted to conform with Wikivoyage convention.
  • The article looks like it could use a thorough copyedit.
-- AndreCarrotflower (talk) 04:02, 23 November 2017 (UTC)
I'll take your word for all the things that need to be fixed, but one quick and tangential comment: There is no convergence between Shanghai and the Ottoman Empire. You might as well say there's a convergence between Tierra del Fuego and Alaska, considering the distance and cultural differences involved. Asia is the world's largest continent, and I believe that featuring two places at entirely opposite ends of the continent at the same time should never be considered any kind of issue by us. Ikan Kekek (talk) 04:10, 23 November 2017 (UTC)
Yes, but as I said, the majority of Asia is unsuitable for featuring in summer for climatic reasons (which incidentally is why we see a disproportionate abundance of Asian destinations in the Northern Hemisphere fall and winter; this year's relative lack thereof is an anomaly). The Ottoman Empire at its height stretched as far east as Iran and the Caucasus, we already have a Chinese feature, and anywhere south of there is a no-go for the summer. Among regions for which we have Guide-level articles, what other than Russia is left? Japan, which we've seen plenty of on the Main Page in recent years (Kurashiki, Kyoto, Taketomi, Nagoya) and what else? Not much as far as I can see. -- AndreCarrotflower (talk) 04:16, 23 November 2017 (UTC)
I get your point. What else there is, I would say, would be primarily hill stations and mountainous areas. There are actually a fair number of them. We featured Shimla some time ago, for example. Ikan Kekek (talk) 04:23, 23 November 2017 (UTC)
Parenthetically, "convergence" referred to those two destinations converging on the schedule into relative proximity to one another and to a hypothetical additional Asian feature, not to any presumed cultural or geographical redundancy between them. -- AndreCarrotflower (talk) 04:33, 23 November 2017 (UTC)
  • Needs work — André already brought up most things that need to be fixed in the article. In addition several prices given as per 2008, so everything in the article should probably be checked up.
And yes, summer in Northern Hemisphere usually means rain in the tropics north of the Equator (the same goes for Austral summer in the southern tropics) and the during that time of the year places like the Arabian desert are only for hardcore fans of hot weather. So viable Asian places to visit during Jun-Sep probably amount to Russia, some of Central Asia, some of East Asia, and then places in the southern tropics like most of Indonesia. --ϒpsilon (talk) 17:43, 23 November 2017 (UTC)
BTW I came up with an alternative to this one, see #Piton de la Fournaise below. ϒpsilon (talk) 19:14, 17 December 2017 (UTC)
Slush? ϒpsilon (talk) 20:09, 30 April 2018 (UTC)
André? (also, see #Venice's nomination above, probably that one should also be slushed when we're at it) ϒpsilon (talk) 14:33, 16 June 2018 (UTC)
Why the push to slush? Just because we didn't feature Yuryev-Polsky this year doesn't mean we can't feature it next year. Also, Venice is already on the schedule for September, with several months remaining in which its problems can be ironed out. (And please don't underestimate the possibility of that; Underground Railroad is a great example of an article that went from extremely problematic to feature-ready in a short period of time. Thanks go to K7L for his efforts, BTW.) -- AndreCarrotflower (talk) 14:49, 16 June 2018 (UTC)
  • Almost. The fact that this whole article doesn't have one coordinate marker almost immediately gave me doubts about it. Also, it would be nice if see and do had some listings beside man-made structures. The understand and get in section seem to make this article okay until you realize that the article only has one picture, excluding the banner. Selfie City (talk) 23:59, 24 May 2018 (UTC)
  • Comment: I should mention that Andre's statement "Though this article appears to be a more-or-less straight translation of its analogue on ru: and there's little if anything more to be gleaned from translating from there" is not true. The Russian article has been re-worked based on the recent on-the-ground research, and there is a lot to learn from it, should anyone be interested. --Alexander (talk) 16:30, 1 February 2019 (UTC)

Kamphaeng Phet[edit]

Place: Kamphaeng Phet
Blurb: Otherwise known for ancient walls, forts, temple ruins and Buddha statues, Thailand's "banana capital" holds a ten-day festival to promote its sweet and aromatic fruit. (should not exceed ~145 characters)
Article status: Guide (must be guide or above).
Time to feature: September preferred, but could be anytime
Nominated by: RJFF (talk) 21:47, 9 December 2017 (UTC)
Comment: Worth visiting, but little frequented. The banana festival in September is Thailand's longest provincial fair.

Nomination
Kamphaeng Phet04.JPG


  • Support, but what's with the non-standard "Nearby" section? That's not how we handle that kind of thing. Those listings need to be merged into either "See"/"Do" or "Go next". -- AndreCarrotflower (talk) 03:35, 10 December 2017 (UTC)
A "Nearby" section is explicitly proposed in the guideline WV:Region article template ("If something is in a tiny rural village too small to justify its own local article, (...) adding a section 'Nearby' in an adjacent city article (before the 'Go next' section).") and also explained in WV:Article templates/Sections#Nearby. "Go next" should only include places that have their own article (but these scattered, rural destinations do not warrant articles of their own), while I find it confusing to place points that are up to 65 km off the main city under the "See"/"Do" sections. To me, the "Nearby" section seems to be the perfect solution for this case. --RJFF (talk) 11:52, 10 December 2017 (UTC)
I argued with another user a few months back about this Nearby section, which apparently is real. Yes, if an attraction is far outside the city it's misleading to put it in the city article's See or Do section (perhaps then in the surrounding region's See or Do). But given that very few articles in practice have it, it does look strange and out of place and I think Nearby should be a subsection of Go next instead it's own section.
  • Support. My instinct is to think the "Nearby" section should be merged to "See"/"Do", but I don't feel strongly about that at all. —Granger (talk · contribs) 12:21, 10 December 2017 (UTC)
  • Support — I don't really have anything to complain about, save for the Nearby section which I think should be a subsection of Go next. ϒpsilon (talk) 14:45, 10 December 2017 (UTC)
  • Support. I agree with Granger and AndreCarrotflower that the "Nearby" section should be removed and its content put somewhere else, but it's otherwise a well-formatted article with plenty of useful information that will be good as an OtBP. Selfie City (talk) 02:06, 5 June 2018 (UTC)
  • Is this one going to sit here until September 2019 (as per time to feature)? In that case, I believe we'll need one more nominee for one of the spring months 2019. ϒpsilon (talk) 18:44, 4 August 2018 (UTC)
I had indeed envisioned this for September 2019. We actually need two more spring 2019 OtBPs - April and June (leaving room for Gaspé Peninsula in August) - as well as DotMs for May 2019 (I have one in mind for May that I'll be nominating shortly), July 2019, and everything past September 2019. Oddly enough, we've come to a point now where FTTs are pretty consistently the most well-stocked of the three categories. -- AndreCarrotflower (talk) 18:54, 4 August 2018 (UTC)
The nice Bouzigues article TT has been working on is one that I'd really really like to see as OtBP; maybe next spring :). Ilulissat is another one (per Wikivoyage_talk:Destination_of_the_month_candidates#Unfeatured_regions), though at the moment we have quite many OtBP candidates from North America.
For DotM, Kaunas is one article I've had my eyes on for several years (yes I know, there's currently a ton of European DotM candidates, but over the years we've had surprisingly few DotMs from Europe east of the former Iron Curtain). Kaunas could work as OtBP too. ϒpsilon (talk) 19:40, 4 August 2018 (UTC)

Pleasanton[edit]

Place: Pleasanton
Blurb: This city near the Silicon Valley has a cosmopolitan feeling with international cuisine, racial diversity, and a architecturally-rich downtown. (should not exceed ~145 characters)
Article status: Guide (must be guide or above).
Time to feature: Oct-Nov or Mar-May are the optimal months due to climate, but Dec-Feb could also work
Nominated by: Selfie City (talk) 01:48, 23 May 2018 (UTC)
Comment: I’ve significantly expanded this article over the last few months and it now seems ready for being on something like this. On May 26, I also added a different banner that really improves the presentation of the article.

Nomination
Downtown Pleasanton, California 3 2017-03-12.jpg
  • Support, not just because I’m the nominator and I know the area well, but also because this is now a well-developed article about the place. Selfie City (talk) 01:48, 23 May 2018 (UTC)
  • Qualified support - You've done great work and I trust you that this content-laden guide is comprehensive. However, some work remains. I just made these edits for brevity, and I think the whole article could probably merit the same kind of careful reading and editing for style and brevity. Also, I see the Main Street sign arch in at least 3 pictures, so I think 2 of those should be removed from the article. The remaining images should be distributed a bit more evenly through the article, not bunched up, thereby leaving areas without images. A further comment would be that "By car/Driving" looks too detailed for visitors. I agree with naming and describing the most important roads, but for the rest, I'd rather let readers consult a map. I'll look more closely at other sections another time and may have more comments. Ikan Kekek (talk) 09:04, 23 May 2018 (UTC)
I have done some work removing two pictures and removing some listings from "By car/Driving". I will now do some reorganizing of the pictures. Selfie City (talk) 13:25, 23 May 2018 (UTC)
I can get to work on the listings. I don't know a lot about every business I've listed (some, hardly at all), but I could add to some of the listings. Selfie City (talk) 01:56, 30 May 2018 (UTC)
Also, ϒpsilon, having improved the listing in the "eat" section of Pleasanton, I have gone back and checked the link you made to the archive. Pleasanton only has 80,000-90,000 inhabitants, so I would say it's probably OtBP as I initially stated. Selfie City (talk) 14:30, 30 May 2018 (UTC)
AndreCarrotflower: I'm assuming you are referring to the listings in the sections "buy", "drink", and "sleep", which definitely need more information. I'll get to work on this right away. Selfie City (talk) 18:36, 7 June 2018 (UTC)
  • Support. Good, thorough article. You can tell it's had a lot of careful attention from someone who knows the city. I agree with Ikan Kekek that some editing for brevity wouldn't hurt. —Granger (talk · contribs) 03:56, 25 February 2019 (UTC)
  • Support - really nice article written with plenty of local knowledge and a dash of humour.--ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 10:51, 25 February 2019 (UTC)

Letchworth State Park[edit]

Place: Letchworth State Park
Blurb: Upstate New York's "Grand Canyon of the East", where the Genesee River tumbles over a trio of spectacular waterfalls, preserved through the generosity of a prominent 19th-century industrialist. (should not exceed ~145 characters)
Article status: Guide (must be guide or above).
Time to feature: May-Oct; as a popular "leaf peeping" destination, Sep or Oct would be especially ideal
Nominated by: AndreCarrotflower (talk) 15:30, 7 June 2018 (UTC)
Comment: Originally I had hoped to feature a Buffalo district as OtBP in summer 2019, two years after Historic Churches of Buffalo's East Side's stint as FTT. But given the scope of what needs to happen to those articles between now and then - updates to weed out closed businesses and add listings to new ones, shortening lengthy blurbs, and possibly further subdividing the articles themselves, not to mention wrapping up the Gaspé Peninsula project at the same time - any such feature will likely have to wait until 2020. Here's a good article to run in its stead.

Nomination
Letchworth State Park Middle Falls 2002.jpeg


  • Support as nominator. I'm interested in hearing the thoughts of Powers, the article's principal author. -- AndreCarrotflower (talk) 15:30, 7 June 2018 (UTC)
  • Almost: any issues can most likely be fixed before this is featured. This article should be more helpful to the traveler before being turned into an OtBP. For example, the climate subsection is completely empty, buy, eat, and drink should have more content, and only the sleep section has any coordinate markers. A good article needs plenty of coordinate markers, especially for attractions like this one, so people know exactly where the attractions can be found. The good thing is that the lack of coordinates is an easily problem to solve and can be easily done before this is featured. When we've fixed the coordinate issues, we should also add a dynamic map (that's what they're called, right?) so tourists get a better idea about the place. Still, it looks like a really nice place for Off the Beaten Path. Selfie City (talk) 18:33, 7 June 2018 (UTC)
Selfie City - the reason why "Buy", "Eat", and "Drink" don't have more content is because there isn't much content to add in the first place. State parks aren't shopping or nightlife meccas; what more do you feel needs to be said about the few unremarkable gift shops within the park boundaries? As for "Eat", the Glen Iris Inn is a renowned fine-dining restaurant, but we have a policy of not double-listing the same establishment in multiple different sections, so all the information is in "Sleep". As for the coordinate markers, policy says they're not required in articles with static maps (which include the markers directly on the image file, making coordinates redundant). However, I agree with you that this particular static map is pretty useless and we'd do well to jettison it in favor of a dynamic one, which would entail adding coordinates to the listings. -- AndreCarrotflower (talk) 16:03, 8 June 2018 (UTC)
I've solved some of the problems by merging eat and drink - however, more information about the Basics would be useful. Also, I understand that coordinates are not required for articles, but I still think they're extremely useful to the traveler and should be included in any one of our featured destinations. Selfie City (talk) 16:15, 8 June 2018 (UTC)
  • Very close...heck, I'll say support right away. Adding someting to the climate section and coordinates to the couple of listings that still lack them (it can be useful even if there isn't an embedded dynamic map in the article; readers can click on the icons and open one), and perhaps a photo in the end of the article are things that anyone can do in a couple of minutes. ϒpsilon (talk) 19:01, 8 June 2018 (UTC)
  • Support, with the additions of a climate section and one or two more photos showing off the landscape. --ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 17:23, 10 August 2018 (UTC)

Great Basin National Park[edit]

Place: Great Basin National Park
Blurb: Ironically considering its name, this mountainous national park includes juniper forests, caves, a gorge, and the great Wheeler Peak, one of Nevada's highest mountains. (should not exceed ~145 characters)
Article status: Guide (must be guide or above).
Time to feature: Apr-Oct; particularly Apr-Jun or September
Nominated by: Selfie City (talk)
Comment: I think it could do with a little work that I can mostly likely do in expanding some sections, but at the same time not a lot more can be said. What's existing in the article is what is there, so I think in general this article is pretty complete and would definitely be appropriate for OtBP. I was originally going to do somewhere else but I think this one will work well, actually.

Nomination
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  • Support as nominator. Selfie City (talk) 02:03, 20 June 2018 (UTC)
  • Comment: Due to how many OtBP candidates are already waiting in the wings (and how many of those are U.S. destinations), there'll be no room for this one on the Main Page till 2020 at the earliest. Let's hold off on any additional OtBP nominees for awhile. -- AndreCarrotflower (talk) 02:35, 20 June 2018 (UTC)
Yes, sure. Selfie City (talk) 14:02, 20 June 2018 (UTC)
  • Very close – some listings need coordinates and some of Understand's subsections could perhaps be expanded. --ϒpsilon (talk) 09:29, 5 August 2018 (UTC)

Bouzigues[edit]

Place: Bouzigues
Blurb: In the sleepy oyster capital of France, walking the seafront and the old town alleys is an enjoyable experience (should not exceed ~145 characters)
Article status: Guide (must be guide or above).
Time to feature: April 2019 as per discussion in #Kamphaeng Phet above? Otherwise probably Apr-Oct
Nominated by: ϒpsilon (talk) 09:09, 5 August 2018 (UTC)
Comment: As discussed in the Kamphaeng Phet thread above we need some articles to feature during the spring 2019. Here's a nice and well-written little article of a nice little Mediterranean town. I don't see anything that would need to be fixed, probably everything in the town is already in the article and it could be featured today. Also, this will only be the fourth overall feature and first OtBP from mainland France — by looking at how few French articles we've had on the Main Page it's hard to believe it's the most visited country in the world.

Nomination
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  • Support --ϒpsilon (talk) 09:09, 5 August 2018 (UTC)
  • Support. Looks ready to go. -- AndreCarrotflower (talk) 15:19, 5 August 2018 (UTC)
  • Support. I think it could do with some more information in some sections, but at the same time I wouldn't say it "needs work". It's also not a North America destination, which is good considering the schedule. Selfie City (talk) 00:16, 6 August 2018 (UTC)
  • Support, obviously, though I'm honoured this would be noticed and liked by others. I would look to improve it still further by adding some more history and organising the restaurants by price. --ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 12:16, 10 August 2018 (UTC)
    • BTW, it should be featured when there's an R in the month, which is when mussels and oysters are harvested (so basically not May-August). April or September would be ideal. --ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 12:19, 10 August 2018 (UTC)
      • There's an open slot in April with Bouzigues' name on it. -- AndreCarrotflower (talk) 15:51, 10 August 2018 (UTC)
  • Comment: per TT's comment on Talk:Bouzigues, I have now nominated Bouzigues for star status for the second time. TT's hope is that we can get the {{starcity}} template on this article by the time it reaches the Main page. --Comment by Selfie City (talk | contributions) 03:44, 19 March 2019 (UTC)

Ilulissat[edit]

Place: Ilulissat
Blurb: Iceberg spotting doesn't get much better than in this colorful town on the shore of Greenland's Disko Bay, home to almost as many sled dogs as people. (should not exceed ~145 characters)
Article status: Guide (must be guide or above).
Time to feature: As close to midsummer as possible.
Nominated by: AndreCarrotflower (talk) 01:49, 3 November 2018 (UTC)
Comment: I once remarked that "I would love to see somewhere in Greenland on the Main Page", and wouldn't you know it, a year later we have a viable candidate (and one remaining Summer 2019 schedule slot to fill)!

Nomination
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  • Support as nominator. Looks reasonably ready, but there are a few listings in the "Do" section (Arctic Adventure and Sports Centre Ilulissat) that lack descriptions. Also, are we sure all the tours listed in the "Tour companies" section are value-added? --AndreCarrotflower (talk) 01:49, 3 November 2018 (UTC)
  • Support. There are a few redlinks and the "Understand" section could be better, but I think we can do it for a particularly off-the-beaten-path DOTM. --Comment by Selfie City (talk | contributions) 05:14, 3 November 2018 (UTC)
  • Support as the one who polished up the article a little while ago. ϒψιλον (talk) 21:28, 3 November 2018 (UTC)
  • Support. Just needs descriptions for those last couple of "Do" listings and it looks ready. —Granger (talk · contribs) 08:21, 25 February 2019 (UTC)

Norfolk Island[edit]

Place: Norfolk Island
Blurb: This former South Sea penal colony is a great destination for relaxation and history buffs. (should not exceed ~145 characters)
Article status: Guide (must be guide or above).
Time to feature: Per w:Norfolk_Island#Climate, Sep-Feb has less than 15 rain days/month on average
Nominated by: ϒψιλον (talk) 17:27, 26 December 2018 (UTC)
Comment: An OtBP for late 2019, maybe? The article has been thoroughly edited this year, so it shouldn't be too outdated. Many listings needed coordinates, but I just took care of that.

Nomination
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Pakse[edit]

Place: Pakse
Blurb: Pakse features lively markets and a few Buddhist sites but is above all a starting point for visits to the amazing natural and historical sites in the region. (should not exceed ~145 characters)
Article status: Guide (must be guide or above).
Time to feature: Nov-Apr
Nominated by: ϒψιλον (talk) 20:02, 6 March 2019 (UTC)
Comment: Siem Reap is DotM as I'm writing this, and like Cambodia, we've also featured few articles from Laos (compared to Southeast Asia generally). So as of lately I've polished up this article, including adding coordinates and removing places that don't seem to be in business any longer (you all know the drill, I think...).

The article still includes many prices that apparently are fairly old, but as you can read at the talk page it's surprisingly hard to update them. Not sure if we should just delete them or leave them in. Anyways, as the article is in a better shape than a week or so ago, I thought I'd nominate it now.

Nomination
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  • Support? -- ϒψιλον (talk) 20:02, 6 March 2019 (UTC)
  • Generally, it's fine, but I think the "Go next" section could be better organized and perhaps shorter. --Comment by Selfie City (talk | contributions) 04:12, 7 March 2019 (UTC)

Olomouc[edit]

Place: Olomouc
Blurb: Originally named after Julius Caesar, this undiscovered gem of the Czech Republic is packed with historical monuments. (should not exceed ~145 characters)
Article status: Guide (must be guide or above).
Time to feature: May-Sep
Nominated by: ϒψιλον (talk) 18:23, 9 March 2019 (UTC)
Comment: Central Europe outside Germany and Switzerland is another part of the world that gets very little time on the Main Page compared to the number of visitors, and as such this is a perfect replacement for Igls. This is also our very first Czech feature. The article was already a guide, and the See section looked great and I added a couple of listings from the it-WV, so here it is.

Nomination
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Nominations for Featured travel topic[edit]

Roman Empire[edit]

Place: Roman Empire
Blurb: The Roman Empire encircled the Mediterranean two thousand years ago and left many marvellous ruins. Its heritage has influenced much of the world. (should not exceed ~145 characters)
Article status: Usable (deserves a higher grade)Guide (must be guide or above).
Time to feature: Spring or autumn
Nominated by: Yvwv (talk) 04:56, 20 September 2017 (UTC)
Comment: A highlight in the historical travel series. The marker counter is capped at 99; maybe we can find a workaround?

Nomination
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  • I want to vote Support here, because it's a well-written article on one of my personal favorite historical subjects. However, I'm not sure if the marker counter being capped at 99 is a bug so much as a feature. The plain fact of any article having over 99 listings (even a travel topic article, and especially an article with a dynamic map) is a pretty big red flag for me that says maybe we need to think about whether all of these places really need to be listed, or whether it should be split up into smaller articles (much as previous FTT Fundamentals of flying was), perhaps with Roman Empire itself serving as sort of a "Huge City" analogue: a summarization of and portal to the more fine-grained information in the daughter articles. -- AndreCarrotflower (talk) 05:29, 20 September 2017 (UTC)
  • Conditional support. The 99 problems (now I got Jay-Z's song on continuous replay in my head, thanks a lot :P) need to be fixed. One possible workaround would be splitting them up geographically (e.g. 1. today's Italy, 2. France+Iberia, 3. British Isles+Central Europe+Benelux, 4. Balkan+Greece, 5. Turkey+Middle East, 6. Northern Africa) and use different markers for destinations in different regions. ϒpsilon (talk) 11:04, 20 September 2017 (UTC)
  • Not yet; there are just too many listings. I think many of them should be pushed down to destination articles and just a summary (maybe with listing for cities, but not individual attractions) kept here. A recent discussion of a similar issue is at Wikivoyage:Travellers'_pub#Downtown_Shanghai. Pashley (talk) 18:31, 20 September 2017 (UTC)
  • Almost. The listing types should be changed to use different colours, and to avoid the present problem of having eight #1 listings. Individual listings should be trimmed to remove phone numbers, hours, prices etc, and these should be in a linked destination article. A bigger job is that all the destination articles need to be checked to see that they have related listings with the full details - I found four listings in Algeria linked to Batna but only one was in the very outline article. I don't think that there are too many listings - I would actually say the reverse that there are a few sights are missing (no Antonine Wall in Scotland). A few listings might be combined, but not many as most listings appear separately on the map at a zoom of 8. AlasdairW (talk) 20:45, 20 September 2017 (UTC)
Well, what does a good article do? Does it include every possible listing, or does it try to avoid overwhelming the reader with too much information (not to mention the dynamic map with too many markers, a problem that the proposed color-coding solution doesn't address)? I think the answer is pretty clearly the second option. I think this article really needs to be split up in the same way as Flying is split up into Planning your flight, At the airport, On the plane, and Arriving by plane. -- AndreCarrotflower (talk) 21:16, 20 September 2017 (UTC)
Breaking it out into Roman Britain, Roman France etc would be fine, just having a paragraph about the countries with more than a dozen or so listings, with a link to a country article. On reflection, a paragraph introducing each country would be a worthwhile addition (when was this territory part of the Roman Empire etc). AlasdairW (talk) 21:51, 20 September 2017 (UTC)
Let's remember that unless we're fine with having laundry lists of attractions, if the main Roman Empire article is splitted up, we also need to add more content to each of those subarticles. ϒpsilon (talk) 16:45, 23 September 2017 (UTC)
  • Comment. I really look forward for a solution to the "99 problems" and the completion of this article - it's very incomplete yet (p. ex. Skopje and Sevastopol both deserve to be mentioned), as I stopped adding to it when this bug got evident. For the record, I don't like very much the idea of splitting up the article, as it has already been very useful to me for reference purposes, both on planning stages for trips, and on the field itself. Having said that, I can very clearly see Pashley's point stated above, and don't want to suggest any hint of being "jealous" or "possessive" about what is written in the article. To be brief: Not yet. Ibaman (talk) 15:49, 4 October 2017 (UTC)
    • The Ottoman Empire is now nominated as an FTT. IMO, that article should go first. /Yvwv (talk) 18:37, 26 October 2017 (UTC)
  • Slush? Still only at usable status. Moreover, we'll have Vikings and the Old Norse in the summer of 2019, and I've envisioned Magellan-Elcano circumnavigation for a summer month 2019 too, as it will be 500 years since that journey started. And three historical topics within about half a year is perhaps a little too much. --ϒpsilon (talk) 20:15, 30 April 2018 (UTC)
  • Weak support in the long term. I'm not sure why Palmyra is a red marker and all the others are green, but other than that, the article seems well-developed and good enough to be guide status. However, with several other historical topics (like the Ottoman Empire) this summer, and all the issues addressed above, let's leave this nomination up here a little while longer and maybe see this article develop some more. Selfie City (talk) 04:23, 25 May 2018 (UTC)
Because Palmyra was largely destroyed by IS. Ikan Kekek (talk) 19:17, 25 May 2018 (UTC)
That makes sense (I've read a book about the city), but I still think the red marker will be more confusing than informative. Also, it interrupts the flow of the numbered listings (it shows up as listing #1 but would normally be #38). Selfie City (talk) 23:21, 25 May 2018 (UTC)

Slush?[edit]

No one seems terribly interested in addressing this article's myriad problems, we already have another Featured Travel Topic on the docket for next year related to European history (Vikings and the Old Norse), as well as a soon-to-be FTT nominee with a summer 2019 timeslot envisaged (Seinfeld Tour). Is it time to throw Roman Empire on the slush pile? -- AndreCarrotflower (talk) 07:24, 23 December 2018 (UTC)

Neutral At least the problem with the numbers is fixed now and the article is in my opinion definitely complete when it comes to listings — are there still some important Roman sites that aren't listed? That said, if y'all would like to divide the article into regions and rather feature the Roman Empire as a series of articles, then it'd be best to slush it and renominate e.g. in a year or two. ϒψιλον (talk) 18:55, 26 December 2018 (UTC)
Ypsilon, thank you for bringing to my attention that the issue with the numbers has been resolved and that the POIs are now spread out onto multiple different dynamic maps rather than all clustered together on one enormous one. Despite those fixes, I still think the article is longer than it ideally should be, and ultimately should be broken up into regions. But I also am not sure that those concerns are necessarily severe enough to preclude the article going on the Main Page. And of the many other upcoming FTT candidates that need a great deal of work before being featureable - Judaism, Jazz, LGBT travel for example - it's probable that at least one of them won't get the required fixes in time and will need to be slushed, thus making room on the schedule for the Seinfeld Tour. So I guess mark me down as weak support for Roman Empire. -- AndreCarrotflower (talk) 16:01, 20 January 2019 (UTC)
  • I see I gave the article a conditional support a year and a half ago when the POI numbers still were a problem, it has been fixed long ago. The article is about to go on the Main Page relatively soon, many users have given the article a (kinda) support vote, there are other articles in worse shape that are going to be slushed (which means it could be hard to find a replacement for this one), and the article has also been sitting around here for almost a year and a half already so let's not drag out this further. Some users have suggested the article is still incomplete and there are Roman sites that still need to be listed, but mirroring the discussion at LGBT travel's nomination below, I'm starting to think that if there are too many places listed, the article becomes too heavy to read (this is also why we have theWikivoyage:Avoid long lists policy). Therefore: full support from me. ϒψιλον (talk) 12:39, 25 February 2019 (UTC)

Vikings and the Old Norse[edit]

Place: Vikings and the Old Norse
Blurb: The Old Norse were the ancestors of Scandinavians. The most famous were the Vikings; sailors who ventured around Europe and across the Atlantic in the 8th to 11th centuries. (should not exceed ~145 characters)
Article status: Guide (must be guide or above).
Time to feature: April-September. Preferrably June/July or July/August, as most outdoor events take place in summer.
Nominated by: Yvwv (talk) 04:54, 28 December 2017 (UTC)
Comment: The article has grown over time, and now has an impressive history section, and a long list of destinations.

Nomination
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  • Comment: It's interesting and likely to get my vote, but a quick read of the first few paragraphs demonstrated to me that this article is going to need to be edited with a fine-toothed comb, for both clarity and standard, clear English. I think the editing will take a while, but the content certainly looks to be there. Ikan Kekek (talk) 05:09, 28 December 2017 (UTC)
  • Almost Otherwise a good article, though I would imagine there'd be a some more places in Iceland and Norway worth listing. --ϒpsilon (talk) 10:40, 1 January 2018 (UTC)
  • In addition to the relative dearth of Icelandic and Norwegian POIs pointed out by Ypsilon, it's strange that the article simply ends abruptly after the lengthy list of "Locations". If there nothing to say in the realm of "Stay safe"? No "Related topics" to delve into? -- AndreCarrotflower (talk) 17:29, 19 January 2018 (UTC)
  • Support, can't tell if the article needs copyediting, but it's probably better to let native English speakers take care of that :). I recently added a stash of destinations in Norway and Iceland, and a See also section with some links. For Stay safe; well the Nordic countries are nowadays some of the safest in the world so I don't really know what to add. If the problems many users have pointed out with the Underground Railroad article aren't resolved, here is a spare article. ϒpsilon (talk) 05:52, 27 February 2018 (UTC)
  • Support. After scanning through this article, it has plenty of good images and a lot of listings of places like L'Anse Aux Meadows where Viking remains and reconstructions can be found. This definitely ought to be a Featured Travel Topic at some point. Selfie City (talk) 13:44, 23 May 2018 (UTC)
  • I'm belatedly noticing the additions Ypsilon made some months ago, and now I feel I can support this candidate. -- AndreCarrotflower (talk) 15:40, 7 June 2018 (UTC)

Rail travel in the Netherlands[edit]

Place: Rail travel in the Netherlands
Blurb: Having said farewell to paper tickets several years ago, the efficient Dutch rail network may very well be the example for the future of rail travel. (should not exceed ~145 characters)
Article status: Guide (must be guide or above).
Time to feature: Any time but December, preferably around September 20th, 2019 (180th anniversary).
Edit: I understand that September 2019 may cause problems. Other dates of importance in the upcoming five years are:

  • December 2018; Sprinter Nieuwe Generatie put in service (same issue; too soon).
  • Early 2021; Intercity Nieuwe Generatie put in service.
  • In general, September is my preferred month for featuring since the anniversary of the Dutch railway network is in that month. March of 2022 is also fine by me (182½ year anniversary).
  • August 2021; 25 years since the first concession of the Dutch railways.

I am well aware that the feature date doesn't need to have a reason behind it, but I recon it might as well. Don't limit yourself to the dates above, but rather consider them.
Nominated by: Wauteurz (talk) 14:22, 21 January 2018 (UTC)
Comment: The article may need some touching up here and there as most information in the article has come from me, but content-wise I believe that nothing is missing and the article is therefore a good candidate for FTT.

Nomination
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I should say, though, this is an exceptionally good article and I support its eventually being run as a feature. -- AndreCarrotflower (talk) 15:18, 21 January 2018 (UTC)
I don't think there is a problem to run Rail travel in Germany perhaps already in August 2018, especially as RtiG is a topic and not a place. In that way this could be featured in September 2019 as desired, "only" 20 months from now. ϒpsilon (talk) 18:12, 22 January 2018 (UTC)
  • Support — I've noticed you working on this one over the last several months and it's looking very informative. At least at a quick glance I can't really find anything wrong with it. ϒpsilon (talk) 18:17, 22 January 2018 (UTC)
  • Minor language and possible "nerding out" issues (for which I am the wrong person to judge them) aside, there is nothing to preclude my support for this feature and thanks to Wauteurz for some amazing work. As the user who nominated rail travel in Germany, I would have no qualms moving it around if this article could then be featured on a date that fits better. Just please don't feature either in December, as that is the European schedule change. Hobbitschuster (talk) 22:52, 25 January 2018 (UTC)
  • Weak Support, some essential details need finetuning - the article is thoroughly written but some of the more practical information is not entirely spot on, i.e. information about gates is too general, there is no information present about the surcharge for tickets purchased at the counter, no correct information present about the cost if you check in and check out after a certain time at the same station, information about opening train doors and onboard announcements is very specific to some of the rolling stock but wrong for others. In general, quite a large part of the article is written towards railway enthousiasts with a lot of technical details, but less towards the average tourist who travels on the train for the first time in the Netherlands. --WallyTheWalrus (talk) 23:42, 1 February 2018 (UTC)
  • Support, although there are some issues with red links. Selfie City (talk) 04:26, 25 May 2018 (UTC)
Can you elaborate on 'issues with redlinks' so that I can fix it? I am aware that I've left a few (somewhere around ten) redlinks in the article, and I would assume the issue is them being linked to in the first place?
-- Wauteurz (talk) 15:29, 25 May 2018 (UTC)
Rail_travel_in_the_Netherlands#Expansion_and_boom is one example, but there are several parts of the article that seem to abound in red links. Also, I'm not crazy about red-colored listings. Selfie City (talk) 22:44, 25 May 2018 (UTC)

Jazz[edit]

Place: Jazz
Blurb: Even though this music is associated with the blues, its mixture of cultural backgrounds makes it one of the liveliest and happiest music genres in the world. (should not exceed ~145 characters)
Article status: Guide (must be guide or above).
Time to feature: Any, although I think summer is best
Nominated by: Selfie City (talk) 21:17, 21 June 2018 (UTC)
Comment: I know this will have to wait a while, but I've been developing the article and I think it's now ready to be FTT at some point in the future. However, I do have two concerns that I can think of at the moment with this article: first, it needs a banner different from Jazz Track; second, it needs at least one more recording to demonstrate what jazz sounds like; and third, it could do with more in the venues section, which was only recently brought to a size beyond one sentence.

Nomination
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  • Support as nominator, especially if these changes are made. Selfie City (talk) 21:17, 21 June 2018 (UTC)
  • Almost what SC just said. There must for sure be other famous jazz venues in the US than just the four that are mentioned? ϒpsilon (talk) 20:02, 8 July 2018 (UTC)
  • As an avid fan of bossa nova and Brazilian jazz, I'm flabbergasted that the only mention of those genres in the whole article is a brief aside about Stan Getz and "The Girl from Ipanema". No Antônio Carlos Jobim, no João Gilberto, no Herb Alpert, no Sérgio Mendes, no Nara Leão, no Walter Wanderley, etc. etc. ad nauseam? In the '60s, this was one of, if not the most popular and commercially impactful styles of jazz, and I think there definitely must be some more information and/or listings that can be added. -- AndreCarrotflower (talk) 21:05, 8 October 2018 (UTC)
Sure, I'll add some more about bossa nova. Sorry that I overlooked this. --Comment by Selfie City (talk about my contributions) 22:28, 8 October 2018 (UTC)

Slush? (or push back)[edit]

As of right now, this article consists of 1) a lengthy discussion of jazz history that borders on the encyclopedic, 2) lists of cities and countries significant to jazz, individual jazz clubs, and jazz festivals that seem almost chosen at random, and 3) a "Learn" section that, despite that fact that it's the "most well-developed without being overdeveloped" section of the article, is only of secondary importance to travellers. It lacks 1) any discussion of POIs that aren't live music venues - museums, historic sites, etc.; 2) many relevant entries in the "Destinations", "Venues" and "Events" section, 3) quite a few other sections that a good travel topic article should have, and 4) any unqualified Support votes save for SelfieCity's. We've now got two months before the article is currently scheduled to be featured, which is quite a short time to address these numerous issues that heretofore no one has seemed terribly interested in correcting, and we've also got a decent selection of FTT candidates that could fill the April 2019 slot on the schedule if need be. I think we need to have a frank discussion about the possibility of slushing this article or at least moving its timeslot further into the future to allow more time for these issues to be addressed. -- AndreCarrotflower (talk) 02:56, 25 February 2019 (UTC)

Let's set it to a later date, like winter, perhaps, or autumn? --Comment by Selfie City (talk | contributions) 04:10, 25 February 2019 (UTC)
Andre has some good points, though I don't see the long history section as that much of a problem (though it probably doesn't need to be expanded...). In particular, I think there could be some more venues (also from outside the U.S.), and the article could use some more photos. I also wouldn't slush the article quite yet, it's better to move it forward in the schedule. -- ϒψιλον (talk) 12:15, 25 February 2019 (UTC)
I've actually cut down a little on the history section, but there's still plenty there. I'm doing some work on the idea of places to visit, like the Coltrane church, etc., which hopefully can be expanded. --Comment by Selfie City (talk | contributions) 01:21, 26 February 2019 (UTC)

Magellan-Elcano circumnavigation[edit]

Place: Magellan-Elcano circumnavigation
Blurb: 500 years ago, five ships and 270 men left Seville to go where no other European explorers had sailed before. One ship with 18 men aboard made it back in 1522, completing the first round-the-world journey in history. (should not exceed ~145 characters)
Article status: Guide (must be guide or above).
Time to feature: Jul, Aug or Sep 2019 to celebrate the half millenium since the start of this journey
Nominated by: ϒpsilon (talk) 20:02, 8 July 2018 (UTC)
Comment: I started this little project back in 2016, already then looking to bring it up to guide status until 2019. Per a little discussion on the article's talk page, I just added the Magellan-related attractions along the route the modern day voyager can visit, and can't come to think of much else to add to the article. You can read about Magellan's journey, and there's advice for getting from place to place and what you can see at each point in the itinerary.

Nomination
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I think the problem described at Talk:Magellan-Elcano_circumnavigation#Verb_tenses needs fixing before it is featured. Pashley (talk) 15:13, 9 July 2018 (UTC)
  • Support, especially if we put it all in past tense. Selfie City (talk) 00:19, 6 August 2018 (UTC)
  • Support per Selfie City. I just did some copy editing. Capitalization was a problem, but I think I may have gotten all the stray "River"s and "Hill"s that were part of proper names (and the "strait" that wasn't). I definitely think everything that happened in the past should be recounted in past tense, both because it's more intuitive and to make a stronger contrast with present-tense advice on current-day travel. I made some progress toward that, but more needs to be done if everyone is OK with putting the past in the past. I hope some of the things that are presumed ("you can probably take a bus/boat to X") are confirmed before the article is run. Ikan Kekek (talk) 01:53, 6 August 2018 (UTC)
  • See also my comments at #Metro_Cebu above about featuring that article around the 500th anniversary of his visit there, April 2021. Pashley (talk) 22:57, 25 September 2018 (UTC)

Southern Ridges Walk[edit]

Place: Southern Ridges Walk
Blurb: Join us on a walk through the greener side of Singapore. (should not exceed ~145 characters)
Article status: Guide (must be guide or above).
Time to feature: Anytime (constant weather around the year), but probably best to run this some month in the colder half of the year in the temperate Northern Hemisphere
Nominated by: ϒψιλον (talk) 20:46, 28 December 2018 (UTC)
Comment: Hopefully not too early to think about FTTs for late 2019? Here's an interesting little itinerary that was worked on (and updated?) a few months ago by Renek78 and Bcd4e6 and I think would deserve a month on the Main Page.

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  • Support -- ϒψιλον (talk) 20:46, 28 December 2018 (UTC)
  • Support - It looks a good walk, and is in a country / city where going for a walk is not the first attraction that springs to mind. AlasdairW (talk) 18:40, 11 January 2019 (UTC)
  • Support – looks like a solid article about an interesting walk. —Granger (talk · contribs) 04:08, 25 February 2019 (UTC)

Seinfeld Tour[edit]

Place: Seinfeld Tour
Blurb: Did you ever notice that a lot of the places featured on the hit '90s TV show can be visited in real life? What's the deal with that? (should not exceed ~145 characters)
Article status: Usable now, but will be Guide before too long (must be guide or above).
Time to feature: June 2019 to coincide with the 30th anniversary of the first broadcast of the pilot episode on NBC (1989-07-05)
Nominated by: AndreCarrotflower (talk) 16:25, 7 February 2019 (UTC)
Comment: Now that this article is on the schedule, I guess it's time to formally nominate it.

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  • Support, pending the improvements outlined at Talk:Seinfeld Tour#To-do list for bringing this article to Guide status. -- AndreCarrotflower (talk) 16:25, 7 February 2019 (UTC)
  • Conditional support - I'm confident you will make those additions, but it's undeniable that most of your suggestions would be an improvement so ought to be in place before featuring.--ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 17:10, 7 February 2019 (UTC)
  • Conditional support As always when there are several contributors (Andre, Ikan, ARR8, ויקיג'אנקי...) that are much more knowledgeble about a topic or place than myself, I'll support it when you will. ϒψιλον (talk) 17:34, 7 February 2019 (UTC)
  • Condition support ARR8 (talk | contribs) 23:47, 7 February 2019 (UTC)
  • Not to seem blunt, but I oppose until it reaches guide status. When it reaches guide status, I plan to comment here with a different vote (I will put the page on my watchlist). --Comment by Selfie City (talk | contributions) 01:44, 8 February 2019 (UTC)

The Canadian[edit]

Place: The Canadian
Blurb: Through forests and mountains across Canada, the Canadian is one of the world's great rail journeys (should not exceed ~145 characters)
Article status: Guide (must be guide or above).
Time to feature: because travel topics are featured late in the month: May-Sep
Nominated by: ϒψιλον (talk) 19:43, 7 February 2019 (UTC)
Comment: As it in the nomination of Roman Empire (which itself still isn't safe from getting slushed) was mentioned that "many other upcoming FTT candidates that need a great deal of work before being featureable - Judaism [slushed], Jazz, LGBT travel for example - it's probable that at least one of them won't get the required fixes in time and will need to be slushed", I figured it could be good to have a spare topic article for one of the spring/summer months.

What's more, Gaspé Peninsula together with its subarticles was mentioned as a possible OtBP candidate for August, but two weeks before August's articles will show up in the schedule, it's not nominated and many subarticles aren't up to the superb standards Andre likes to bring up the articles to ;) . So I've nominated Igls as an alternative for August's OtBP, but as this also will mean there's nothing from Canada next summer, (should one of the articles above need to be slushed) there's room for this interesting train itinerary!

Across Canada by train that considerably overlaps this article was FTT in June 2013, would that be a problem? We have featured cities and individual district articles from the same city so it shouldn't.

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  • Almost The article lacks a good description of what you can see on the route between the stops, which the WP article has. in a way the article is too focussed on the facilities and not he journey. AlasdairW (talk) 23:41, 7 February 2019 (UTC)
  • Support. Nice, detailed article. However, I plan to review User:AlasdairW's point. --Comment by Selfie City (talk | contributions) 01:46, 8 February 2019 (UTC)
Comment: I have quickly looked through the article more closely and, considering how beautiful the route is, I think some more information about sights to see (while on the train) would be good. Otherwise, looks like a good article. --Comment by Selfie City (talk | contributions) 01:47, 8 February 2019 (UTC)
OK, I'll have a look at what's written about the route over at Wikipedia; probably there is a great deal to bring over from there. For the record, I think this article was modeled after the Trans-Siberian Railway whose article also focuses on the train itself and major stops. ϒψιλον (talk) 18:54, 25 February 2019 (UTC)
Probably, that's accurate. And, interestingly, that one's a guide article too, so maybe some day it too could be FTT. --Comment by Selfie City (talk | contributions) 01:18, 26 February 2019 (UTC)
The Transsib was, back in 2014. Articles that have the little orange pen logo in the upper right corner of the banner have been FTT at some point in the past (just as those that have the green check mark have been DotM or OtBP). ϒψιλον (talk) 09:33, 1 March 2019 (UTC)
  • Comment The route description from Wikipedia is now imported. It did take a little while, especially as Wikipedia's description was written from Vancouver to Toronto (opposite direction of our guide until now) and the content included references, links to articles etc. What's more, some "smart" person(s) at WP had used imperial units at several occasions for mountain altitudes and bridges at least, but I'll deal with that later. ϒψιλον (talk) 21:37, 16 March 2019 (UTC)

Hartsfield–Jackson Atlanta International Airport[edit]

Place: Hartsfield–Jackson Atlanta International Airport
Blurb: The busiest airport in the world, some say "It doesn't matter whether you go to heaven or hell—to get there, you will have to connect through Atlanta." (should not exceed ~145 characters)
Article status: Guide (must be guide or above).
Time to feature: Any
Nominated by: ϒψιλον (talk) 09:59, 1 March 2019 (UTC)
Comment: Time to put another airport article on the FTT nomination list, here's one of our best ones. Thanks to Bigpeteb for updating the article as of lately.

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Airport articles are always FTT. -- AndreCarrotflower (talk) 15:41, 1 March 2019 (UTC)
  • Support. I have read through and made a couple of suggestions for improvement at the talk page.--ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 17:48, 1 March 2019 (UTC)
  • Just a side-note (my computer is a bit kablooey at the moment which means I can't give it a thorough enough read to weigh in) there is still a VfD discussion on the talk page that we could move to an archive page... Hobbitschuster (talk) 00:13, 2 March 2019 (UTC)

Hotels[edit]

Place: Hotels
Blurb: Most travellers are familiar with staying at hotels, though there might still be some quirks you haven't heard about before checking out our guide. (should not exceed ~145 characters)
Article status: Guide (must be guide or above).
Time to feature: Any
Nominated by: ϒψιλον (talk) 14:20, 10 March 2019 (UTC)
Comment: Always good to have at least one global topic in the FTT nominations that can be featured anytime and together with any other articles (just like Common scams which replaced Judaism on a short notice). I upgraded this very strong usable article to guide and added some pictures. Should be good to go.

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