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Hello, Yvwv! Welcome to Wikivoyage.

To help get you started contributing, we've created a tips for new contributors page, full of helpful links about policies and guidelines and style, as well as some important information on copyleft and basic stuff like how to edit a page. If you need help, check out Help, or post a message in the travellers' pub. Rodrigo Tetsuo Argenton m 10:09, 10 January 2013 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Thanks. I am used to Wikipedia and Wikitravel, but Wikitravel's future seems uncertain at the moment. /Yvwv (talk) 10:15, 10 January 2013 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I am curiouse what you mean. I also edit at Wikitravel and I know there wass changes there, but there seem to be a plenty of editors keeping the site clean and running. What you you mean "uncertain" and also that the "policies are killing them"? Thank you for your answer. --Voyage321 (talk) 20:22, 10 January 2013 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Yesterday, I became aware of the conflict between Internet Brands and Wikimedia, as well as Wikitravel's boycott of Wikivoyage. From that, I have more confidence in Wikimedia than in Internet Brands. /Yvwv (talk) 06:59, 11 January 2013 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Well perhaps maybe I will switch to Wv if this site ever gets travelers reading it. It will make little sense to edit here if the only one reading it is the other administrators. I write my travel article for to help travelers, not only to make a good website for nobody else to sees ;)--Voyage321 (talk) 09:10, 11 January 2013 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Since Wikivoyage is ad-free, and endorsed by WMF, I guess that it will win the race. But we'll have to wait and see. /Yvwv (talk) 09:25, 11 January 2013 (UTC)Reply[reply]

I am liking that idea... But I am not so sure what "to win" means? Most WMF projects fail except Wikipedia. Given that the search engine programs do not rank copied web pages I do not see how the site copied from Wikitravel can ever be really useful for a traveller because they will search and never find it? And the ads-Wikitravel do not bother me, all Internet has ads, it's normal. And you I think can turn them off on WT which is nice & different from most plAces --Voyage321 (talk) 19:05, 11 January 2013 (UTC)Reply[reply]

"Winning" would be attraction of a critical mass of writers and readers. I look forward to further discussion the Travellers' Pub. /Yvwv (talk) 08:13, 12 January 2013 (UTC)Reply[reply]
My advice is not to waste your time continuing to have this discussion with Voyage321, whose only edits at Wikivoyage are on your user talk page, leading me to make the reasonable inference that s/he is trolling for Internet Brands. Ikan Kekek (talk) 08:39, 12 January 2013 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I realize this is no longer relevant, but for the record Voyage321 was indeed an IB sockpuppet: w:Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/IBobi. AHeneen (talk) 11:24, 16 February 2013 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Requesting articles[edit]

Hi, this is a more important post than my previous one on your user talk page. There is no reason to request articles. If you believe an article is needed, just plunge forward and start it yourself. Ikan Kekek (talk) 08:41, 12 January 2013 (UTC)Reply[reply]

The request lists have been successfully used at Wikipedia. At many circumstances, one would find an article to be missing, without having enough knowledge to start an article. /Yvwv (talk) 08:43, 12 January 2013 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I agree with Ikan. There's a difference between WP and WV. If something is successful at Wikipedia or any other sister project, it doesn't means it gonna works here too. And one who find an article to be missing, xe do not need enough knowledge to start that missing article. Xe can simply create an article and fill it with the standard sections. That's it. --Saqib (talk) 08:49, 12 January 2013 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Travel activities[edit]

I see that you have made some structural changes, moving material from Travel activities to Sports and Winter sports. I copied and added a little more, but your intention is not very clear (are some of these just intended as indexes or disambiguation pages, how much summaries, suggestions for missing topics should there be, are biking and horseback riding sports etc.). If you are going to continue the work I should perhaps wait for a while to see the result, but a note at a suitable talk page would be nice. --LPfi (talk) 11:00, 12 March 2013 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Reply in Talk:Travel activities. /Yvwv (talk) 14:48, 12 March 2013 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Hi Yvwv! I checked today the Stockholm article you nominated for DotM. I'm supportive of your nomination and wrote that already on the Dotm nomination. I would suggest to gain more support for your nomination to adress some minor points (embassies look weird etc.). I will change some issues as well but the most important would be a standard map. Would you be willing to make one? Regards, jan (talk) 09:02, 18 April 2013 (UTC)Reply[reply]

I support the nomination, too. I'm not sure why it's getting so little attention. I will try to "bump" it. Ikan Kekek (talk) 07:15, 27 July 2013 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Homeless guide[edit]

You requested that. You should explain in your request what you have in mind, or just start the article, yourself, at your own risk. I'm not sure how it's going to have an acceptable tone, but you're the only one who knows what you are thinking of, which is part of the problem with "requested articles" in the first place.

All the best,

Ikan Kekek (talk) 20:29, 8 May 2013 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Swedish TV had a short feature about homeless guides in London. I hope that someone knew more. /Yvwv (talk) 17:27, 13 June 2013 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Page banner size[edit]

Hi there. I have undone some of your page banner additions for being the wrong size. Please use 7:1 for banners. Thanks! Texugo (talk) 22:17, 19 May 2013 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Hi again. Thanks for fixing those. One more thing you should take note of-- the image you put in China and the Great Wall articles is the right ratio but is too small to stretch all the way across the page on wider screens. The images cannot be stretched to be larger than their full size as uploaded, so we will need to find a higher resolution shot for those. Texugo (talk) 01:31, 20 May 2013 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Hello, another request. When you upload new banners to Commons can you add matching categories like Category:Wikivoyage banners of Sweden to them, so we have all new banners in one place [1]. Jjtkk (talk) 06:07, 20 May 2013 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Hi -- sorry, I've got another banner size request, too. The image for Norway looks very good, but it needs to have the 7:1 ratio.
Also, for guides like Copenhagen that have been featured as Destination of the Month or are a Star, the banner can be set up to show the icons. Just add dotm=yes (for Destination of the Month), star=yes (for Star articles) or otbp=yes (for Off the Beaten Path), and delete the {{title-icons}} template (it's usually near the bottom of the page). I set it up on Copenhagen as an example. Cheers -Shaundd (talk) 04:13, 22 May 2013 (UTC)Reply[reply]


Really good start to that article! Ikan Kekek (talk) 14:07, 29 May 2013 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Thank the people who wrote Sacred sites of the Indian sub-continent. /Yvwv (talk) 14:09, 29 May 2013 (UTC)Reply[reply]


Hey Yvwv,

I noticed your changes to Fishing, I would like to help develop this article better but realize that my perspective is painfully North American. Is this something that you are interested in? Help me develop this and give it more of a global perspective? Lumpytrout (talk) 16:16, 13 June 2013 (UTC)Reply[reply]

I'll have a look at it. /Yvwv (talk) 16:35, 13 June 2013 (UTC)Reply[reply]
alternate page banner idea. Lumpytrout (talk) 16:59, 13 June 2013 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Looks great! /Yvwv (talk) 17:27, 13 June 2013 (UTC)Reply[reply]

isPartOf for some locations in Sweden[edit]

Hi, need some input on best region to place Alingsås and Märsta in? --Traveler100 (talk) 21:05, 2 August 2013 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Map objects[edit]

"Seems like map objects show up only after two saves". - No, but depending on the settings of your browser, you must execute page reload twice. Once for the article text, once for the map. - Grüße Mey2008 (talk) 05:16, 12 August 2013 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Thanks, I'll have a try. /Yvwv (talk) 10:54, 12 August 2013 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Kartor och regioner[edit]


Ta en titt på det här diskussionen. ϒpsilon (talk) 09:57, 29 October 2013 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Main and See also[edit]

I note you changed the templates {{main}} to {{see also}} in Winter sport. Is the former not to be used? I think this is a typical example where all relevant info should go to the other article, only a summary should be in the section of Winter sport and thus the former template should be used. To me See also is for cases where the information in the referenced article is probably relevant, but with a clearly different point of view. --LPfi (talk) 08:01, 13 December 2013 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Is there a universal standard? /Yvwv (talk) 09:15, 13 December 2013 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I only know how they are used at sv-wp, but if both are to be used, there should be a difference in how they are used. If you think "main" for some reason is not appropriate for this case or you think there should be only one, please explain why.
The difference has a practical implication: with "main", editors know that it is the other article that should be edited, and only the most important points repeated here. "See also" gives no such hint (unless section headings and article names match, but names and headings can change), and we risk having sections here and there, intended to summarize the main article, in fact grow larger than it.
--LPfi (talk) 17:54, 13 December 2013 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Trouble with authorities[edit]

Hi, I noticed that you are linking many destination articles, such as North Korea to your Trouble_with_authorities article. This article is not very informative in its present state, therefore would you mind not linking further destination articles to it yet until it has more relevant content? Many thanks Andrewssi2 (talk) 09:48, 16 December 2013 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Deletion has been proposed. Please comment at Wikivoyage:Votes_for_deletion#Trouble_with_authorities. Pashley (talk) 18:24, 16 December 2013 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Diplomatic missions too. Pashley (talk) 01:42, 23 December 2013 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Both are now close to the two-week deadline. It looks to me as if "trouble.." is likely to be deleted and "diplomatic.." kept, but I'm not certain on either. Comment now if you are going to. Pashley (talk) 12:52, 4 January 2014 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Hi, you comments would be very useful since we never had your point of view on both of these. Just FYI I am still inclined to push for deletion of "trouble with authorities". Thanks. Andrewssi2 (talk) 13:07, 4 January 2014 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Moving top level Travel Topics[edit]

Please note that although Travel topics page index works relativity automatic, its advantage that if someone adds a new page or changes PartOfTopic then the index updates itself. The one exception to this is if a top level page is renamed. Note that in this cat the main page need to have its link updated. Also please note that the categories of pages with sub-pages also need to be fixed. I assume the restructure of Transportation is not complete from your standpoint? --Traveler100 (talk) 05:06, 22 April 2015 (UTC)Reply[reply]

War on terror[edit]

Hi, I think you meant well by deleting the 'War on terror' discussion, however we need to keep these discussions as a record in case it comes back up again.

You could create something like Talk:Historical_travel/Archive and move there. It can then be linked from the parent article. --Andrewssi2 (talk) 01:06, 20 May 2015 (UTC)Reply[reply]

help needed.[edit]

with my wikivoyage articles. --Thahouseusers2015 (talk) 13:21, 20 June 2015 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Thank you![edit]

You deserve recognition and thanks for having the vision to start several very relevant travel topics that other people probably didn't think of starting. It's actions like this that will make Wikivoyage a much better guide.

All the best,

Ikan Kekek (talk) 02:16, 13 August 2015 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Your welcome. /Yvwv (talk) 03:01, 13 August 2015 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Nordic countries[edit]

I am not objection to the move, but where is the discussion on the rename? --Traveler100 (talk) 11:48, 17 August 2015 (UTC)Reply[reply]

There seemed to be consensus, but an admin was needed. /Yvwv (talk) 16:51, 17 August 2015 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Hi, Yvwv. Considering that there's already a British Raj article, I would suggest for you to merge and redirect Colonial India, as the French and Portuguese colonization of India is not a huge topic.

What do you think?

All the best,

Ikan Kekek (talk) 12:59, 2 October 2015 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Will have a look at it. The British East India Company was however a big deal. /Yvwv (talk) 13:57, 2 October 2015 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Replacing banners[edit]

I noticed that you replaced the article banner of Kamchatka. Typically we raise a request on the article's talk page if we want to propose a change to the article's banner.

The image you replaced looks obviously better so I don't suggest undoing that. In future could you raise a request on an article's talk page first?

Thanks! --Andrewssi2 (talk) 05:32, 21 October 2015 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Notice taken. /Yvwv (talk) 14:33, 21 October 2015 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Road articles[edit]


I've noticed you've created a couple of road articles about European roads in Sweden. To my understanding there should be something "special" about the route itself (ie. something more than just getting from A to B) for it to be a valid travel topic (also see the lengthy discussion here). Nothing really wrong with the routes you've created so far (the E10 is quite scenic too if I remember correctly) but just thought of letting you know in the case you're planning to create itineraries for all Swedish E-roads. ϒpsilon (talk) 05:18, 9 November 2015 (UTC)Reply[reply]

I have no plans to create articles for all E-roads; maybe one or two more. /Yvwv (talk) 13:44, 9 November 2015 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Ancient Roman pasta[edit]

Thanks for your fascinating edit to Roman Empire! It might interest you that when I was visiting the Lupanare in Pompeii, a man said that when it was first excavated, they found out that one of the customers (or maybe one of the prostitutes, but I think he said a man) was having a lunch break and didn't have time to eat his pasta e fagioli before the lava killed everyone. Supposedly, the remains of said pasta e fagioli were found, still in a bowl. Ikan Kekek (talk) 14:08, 28 November 2015 (UTC)Reply[reply]

You're welcome. /Yvwv (talk) 14:10, 28 November 2015 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Isn't there one Italian pasta-style called "a la puttanesca" (Won't translate this)? I think it contains tomatoes, so it can't have been invented in Roman times... But now we know where they are coming from ;-) Hobbitschuster (talk) 18:35, 28 November 2015 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Yes, alla puttanesca indeed. Ikan Kekek (talk) 09:48, 29 November 2015 (UTC)Reply[reply]


I think is an excellent opportunity to qualify what the monarchies left (or didnt) in the places where they were located - so I think the article needs to develop substantiallly to qualify why and how some kingdoms are like the 'Ozymandis' poem - archaeological sites in the desert, versus the romanov industry in st petersburg where it is as though Nicholas is still alive and ruling even now ... - I am more or less saying that the monarchy talk page issue about 'just a list' can be countered to what extent the monarchies stamp on a country still carries weight in the countries. Also there is a lot of anthroplogy in some of the more obscure asian and african monarchies - it really needs to be brought out, rather than subsumed into a mere list imho. cheers JarrahTree (talk) 03:27, 30 November 2015 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Cuisine articles[edit]

Hi, and thanks as always for your work!

I'm not sure, though, why you start articles on cuisines. My feeling is that I'd never start such an article without even basic travel-related information. We don't need to paraphrase other sources about the basics of North African cuisine in a separate article. The only purpose for this kind of article on Wikivoyage, in my opinion, is if we can tell people which region, town or village is most famous for X, Y and Z dish. Otherwise, what's the point of having the article here?

Also, minor but recurrent point: In English, we talk about Italian cuisine, French cuisine and Spanish cuisine. "The French cuisine" sounds weird to me. "The" is not usually used with cuisine except in the phrasing "the cuisine of France/Italy/America/etc."

All the best,

Ikan Kekek (talk) 14:24, 8 September 2016 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Thanks for the remarks about grammar; I am not native in English. Except a list of dishes, these articles could preferrably expand on practical information about eating and drinking in various regions, such as meal times, table manners, tipping, availability of vegetarian foods, and alcohol. I have tried to include this within the Nordic cuisine article, where I have first-hand information. /Yvwv (talk) 15:17, 9 September 2016 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Tipping isn't a matter of cuisine, nor is table manners. Meal times aren't really cuisine, either, though they obviously can have an effect on culinary practice (see, for example, the cultural context of tapas in Catalonia). I think that it's very problematic to move practical information from country articles to articles that are supposedly about cuisines. Ikan Kekek (talk) 01:23, 10 September 2016 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Fair or not?[edit]

Do you feel this is a politically biased statement, or is it accurate, given that this site's standard is be fair, not "avoid political statements"?

Scania is very safe, with the exception that in recent years, there have been several racist attacks against non-Swedes, connected with the rise of the far-right Sweden Democrats in the area.

Merry Christmas if you're celebrating today,

Ikan Kekek (talk) 15:58, 25 December 2016 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Replying in Talk:Scania. /Yvwv (talk) 16:08, 25 December 2016 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Thanks. Much appreciated. Ikan Kekek (talk) 16:21, 25 December 2016 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Cross-namespace redirects[edit]

I deleted the "OBVIOUS" cross-namespace redirect, although it can be recreated if you feel it's important. Wikipedia goes into detail on the pros and cons at w:Wikipedia:Cross-namespace redirects. -- Ryan • (talk) • 16:31, 10 January 2017 (UTC)Reply[reply]

It seems to me that you and User:LPfi have some knowledge of intercity buses in the Nordic countries. Do you think this would be a better approach to the topic than the current small section in the Nordic countries article and the rail and bus travel in Sweden article? It appears to me that the Nordic countries have a bus market predating the German and French legal changes of the 2010s and are still mostly dominated by local companies. Or am I mistaken on that? Hobbitschuster (talk) 18:11, 6 March 2017 (UTC)Reply[reply]

For geographic reasons, most Nordic bus routes either go within one country, or connect to Germany or some other non-Nordic country. The few lines which cross borders can be described in intercity buses in Europe. /Yvwv (talk) 18:14, 6 March 2017 (UTC)Reply[reply]
So the markets are mostly separate for each country? Are there players that are active in several countries? Hobbitschuster (talk) 18:17, 6 March 2017 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Replying in Talk:Nordic countries. /Yvwv (talk) 18:19, 6 March 2017 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Okay. Hobbitschuster (talk) 18:47, 6 March 2017 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Rephrasing articles[edit]

Hi, Yvwv. I undid your changes to South Korea, but I want you to know that I appreciate your work and of course fully understand your motivation for it. Ikan Kekek (talk) 20:37, 5 June 2017 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Point taken. Maybe we can settle for a third option? /Yvwv (talk) 20:40, 5 June 2017 (UTC)Reply[reply]
[Edit conflict]: I have to observe, though, that here, too, you deleted good information that I believe needs to remain in the article: It borders Myanmar (Burma) to the northwest, Laos to the northeast, Cambodia to the southeast, and Malaysia to the south. There is no substitute for providing readers with a clear sense of where a country is. You could slightly rephrase to "It abuts [or has borders with] Malaysia in the south..." Ikan Kekek (talk) 20:41, 5 June 2017 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Sure, try again, but please don't subtract useful information. Ikan Kekek (talk) 20:41, 5 June 2017 (UTC)Reply[reply]
And on Malaysia:
While the capital Kuala Lumpur is a cosmopolitan city, deep jungles cover much of the land.
That was true in 1975. It hasn't been true for a long time. And you also subtracted information about bordering countries. Ikan Kekek (talk) 20:44, 5 June 2017 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Thanks for the information on jungles; sorry to have looked at obsolete sources. In my opinion, the lead section does not need to bring up the bordering countries. That information can be easily found through looking at a map, and is probably not what a reader would look for in a guidebook (we are not Wikipedia). Instead, the lead section should present facts which would be interesting for a potential visitor, such as major attractions, landforms, and suitable activities. Wikivoyage:Article templates/Sections should develop on how to present countries, regions and cities. /Yvwv (talk) 20:51, 5 June 2017 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Most of the information we present on this site can be found elsewhere. There are plenty of better sources for history and cuisine, and a lot of the other information we present can be found in other guides like Tripadvisor and Michelin. I think that which countries border on the country you're reading about is quite useful information. It doesn't have to be in the lede, but if not, it should be in "Understand". Ikan Kekek (talk) 20:57, 5 June 2017 (UTC)Reply[reply]
The list of bordering countries tends to get repetitive, at least. I just tried to put the information in context in the lead section of Thailand. /Yvwv (talk) 21:04, 5 June 2017 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Do we list all bordering countries for the likes of Russia 0or China? I think we should really ask ourselves whether information as trivial as this should really be in one of the very first sentences of our country articles... Hobbitschuster (talk) 18:04, 27 June 2017 (UTC)Reply[reply]


I'm sorry, I don't agree that Thailand is part of Indochina. The countries that are usually considered to be part of Indochina were all part of French Indochina during the colonial period: Vietnam, Laos and Cambodia. Thailand was never colonized and is not usually considered part of any region smaller than Southeast Asia. Ikan Kekek (talk) 21:06, 5 June 2017 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Changed to "continental South East Asia". /Yvwv (talk) 21:07, 5 June 2017 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Cool. :-) Ikan Kekek (talk) 21:08, 5 June 2017 (UTC)Reply[reply]

South Korea[edit]

Hi, really appreciate you taking up the task of creating different intros to the WT site for many articles. I hope it will have an impact on SEO soon!

With regards to South Korea, it is indeed currently 'trapped' in its relationship with North Korea by virtue of geography. It is more of a technical conflict than a 'live fire' war, and for the most part is ignored by most South Koreans even when the occasional shot is fired. --Andrewssi2 (talk) 04:03, 6 June 2017 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Mountaineering and rock climbing[edit]

I note you changed the scope of the articles Mountaineering and Rock climbing, without any changes to the articles themselves (apart from a note on base camps and links to some modes of transport). I am not very happy. Rock climbing is a sport in itself and does not necessarily have anything to do with mountains. We do not handle climbing techniques at all – and should not until we have contributors who are both sufficiently experienced and willing to write a worthwhile guide here (I now notice the Basics section, but I think it does not catch the distinctions used in mountaineering). Mountaineering, on the other hand is not about "travel through mountains" in general; advice on driving mountain roads should be somewhere else.

Are you planning to rewrite the articles according to the new scope definitions? Have you some idea of how the old scopes would be included, served elsewhere or not being worthwhile?

--LPfi (talk) 22:35, 26 June 2017 (UTC)Reply[reply]

You are welcome to revert them. In any case, both of these articles should define their own scope. /Yvwv (talk) 23:02, 26 June 2017 (UTC)Reply[reply]
OK. I added a paragraph on scope to each article. No idea whether those scope definitions are to broad or narrow, or whether developing the articles in some other direction would be better. (And sorry if I sounded harsh, outlines seldom give a clear picture of intended scope, and changing the scope in any direction is probably OK – the descriptions just did not fit my personal image of the articles.) --LPfi (talk) 09:16, 27 June 2017 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Sweden's new page banner doesn't show up[edit]

Swept in from the pub

I made a new page banner for Sweden. On my computer, it does not show up, in spite of page refreshing and new edits. Can you see it? /Yvwv (talk) 20:12, 31 July 2017 (UTC)Reply[reply]

A hard reload made the trick. /Yvwv (talk) 20:13, 31 July 2017 (UTC)Reply[reply]


Just getting to know everyone. Hello. --Warfare910 (talk) 15:53, 25 August 2017 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Travel maps for Latin Europe[edit]

I've gone ahead and modified the existing maps to work with Latin Europe. I've modified both the Europe regions map, as well as a Latin Europe-only map. Both of them are available in SVG and PNG, should you have a preference to use an SVG extention.

  • Europe regions minimal cities--mod Latin Europe (SVG)(PNG)
  • Latin Europe Wikivoyage Map (SVG)(PNG)

Colours used in the latter map are as follows:

Country Fill colour Country Fill colour
Italy b5d29f San Marino 5bcc48
France d56d76 Monaco 578e86
Spain d09440 Vatican City 71b37b
Portugal d5dc76 Andorra 69999f
Malta 4f93c0

-- Wauteurz (talk) 17:32, 10 September 2017 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Thanks! That looks great! /Yvwv (talk) 17:33, 10 September 2017 (UTC)Reply[reply]
We can consider removing the capital cities of the microstates, so the territory becomes visible. /Yvwv (talk) 17:36, 10 September 2017 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Technically speaking, I can remove the capital city markers, practically speaking though, that will result in little gain. Andorra would be the only microstate that would be shown. The other three are simply too little to be shown. On top of that, the Vatican is located within Rome, so Rome and the Vatican currently share their capital city markers. What I can do, however, is change the capital markers to show the colours above within the marker. The marker for San Marino, for example, would have the same colour for the circle in the background, but the star should be displayed in #5bcc48. This way, the colours listed in the region list would not be lacking in the image. I'll see if I can get that done today, if not, I'll do it tomorrow. I'll let you know when I get the images updated. Also, once I find the right maps for it, I'll also add the E-routes, airports and main railways, which should be on these sorts of maps, but rarely get added. This'll probably be done no earlier than next weekend. The map as I linked above is sufficient, but in no way complete yet.
-- Wauteurz (talk) 19:27, 10 September 2017 (UTC)Reply[reply]
The markers have been updated. I've also gone ahead and edited them on Latin Europe already.
-- Wauteurz (talk) 18:58, 11 September 2017 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Great work. /Yvwv (talk) 19:06, 11 September 2017 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Winter in ...[edit]

Was there a discussion somewhere about moving the Winter in ... articles to outdoor life? At least Winter in the Nordic countries does not seem to be very concerned about anything I'd call outdoor life. Sure, skiing and skating are mentioned, but e.g advice for clothing is for getting from the nightclub to the hotel rather than for spending a day outdoors – and activities such as going to a Christmas fare or watching New Year fireworks are hardly outdoor life.

It might be that Outdoor life is the most logical place for these articles, but I would like to see something either on that page or its talk page clarifying what kind of articles you find there – and corresponding notes on the parent page. The current notes there are not in accordance with this move.

--LPfi (talk) 20:05, 14 January 2018 (UTC)Reply[reply]


Hi, Yvwv. I just noticed that you are not an admin. I would venture to say that you unquestionably have the confidence of Wikivoyage users in general and admins specifically. If you would like to have some more tools, such as the ability to block spammers and roll back a series of spam or vandalistic edits in one click, I'd be happy to nominate you for admin; just let me know. Ikan Kekek (talk) 09:54, 6 February 2018 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Thanks for the words, I would appreciate a nomination. /Yvwv (talk) 11:05, 6 February 2018 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Upcoming. Ikan Kekek (talk) 21:01, 8 February 2018 (UTC)Reply[reply]
You are now an admin. If you have any questions about admin tools or procedures, please feel free to contact me or any other active admin anytime, and thanks for being willing to pick up the mop and pail. Ikan Kekek (talk) 07:45, 23 February 2018 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Thanks again for the confidence. /Yvwv (talk) 07:55, 23 February 2018 (UTC)Reply[reply]
You've richly earned it. Ikan Kekek (talk) 08:44, 23 February 2018 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Hi! Can I ask why you reverted my edit from this morning? The article did not have a zoom level attached to the map? This was an appropriate edit to show the entire province. Even if you don't like the zoom level I chose, it is a simple matter to choose another zoom level (just change the number after "|zoom=" to what you would like it to be.

The reason for making the change is that the article currently shows up in the Maintenance panel because a zoom level has not been specified.

Thanks for your clarification. Zcarstvnz (talk) 20:38, 23 March 2018 (UTC)Reply[reply]

I cannot remember the edit myself. Obviously a finger slip. /Yvwv (talk) 21:20, 23 March 2018 (UTC)Reply[reply]


Hello, do you have any good reason why my contributions to Blekinge were rollbacked? diff Philaweb (talk) 09:40, 31 March 2018 (UTC)Reply[reply]

I don't recall that. Seems to be a finger slip when I used the mobile browser. /Yvwv (talk) 13:36, 31 March 2018 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Well, it happens. Philaweb (talk) 19:45, 31 March 2018 (UTC)Reply[reply]


Hello, are you certain that any tourist to Sweden can use the Swish app? diff Philaweb (talk) 15:46, 2 April 2018 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Blocking a user[edit]

I need help banning User:Jason Cribbs since I'm not an admin. Selfie City (talk) 17:26, 9 August 2018 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Thanks. Selfie City (talk) 17:32, 9 August 2018 (UTC)Reply[reply]
The time should be more than 2 hours though; for vandalism, I think an indefban is appropriate. Selfie City (talk) 17:33, 9 August 2018 (UTC)Reply[reply] Alexa rank[edit]

Every day, you post up WV and WT's new Alexa ranking. Thanks for doing a really good job at this, consistently, and I can never get there and update the statistics first. It'll be great if WV gets to a four digit rank someday.

I think the Alexa rank is quite useful, and I don't see why we should hide our rank away at WV:Wikivoyage and Wikitravel, especially when currently WT has a higher rank than us. I don't want to make additional work for you, but what if we posted our Alexa rank on the about page as well? If Wikivoyage overtakes WT on Alexa rank, then it makes sense to post our rank next to WT's from a Wikivoyage "sales" point of view, but at the moment by putting the two ranks side by side it's like we are not promoting ourselves too well. It doesn't really matter too much but it's just a thought. --Comment by Selfie City (talk about my contributions) 20:11, 5 September 2018 (UTC)Reply[reply]

That is a big question... Maybe we should ask it at Wikivoyage talk:About. /Yvwv (talk) 20:18, 5 September 2018 (UTC)Reply[reply]
As long as the Other Site has a better Alexa rank, I guess that a rank comparison doesn't make WV look better. At current pace, WV will overtake WT in early 2019. That will probably be the last time someone would need to bother about WT. /Yvwv (talk) 01:14, 6 September 2018 (UTC)Reply[reply]
By the way, is this the highest WV has ever reached on an Alexa rank (excluding the short-term rise and fall in early 2018)? --Comment by Selfie City (talk about my contributions) 01:22, 6 September 2018 (UTC)Reply[reply]
At least since 2016, and probably ever. /Yvwv (talk) 01:33, 6 September 2018 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Good. By the way, I finally beat you to it today and got the rank in first. --Comment by Selfie City (talk about my contributions) 16:40, 6 September 2018 (UTC)Reply[reply]
We briefly overtook WT in early 2013, when our relaunch as a WMF site was heavily advertised on WP and other wikis. -- AndreCarrotflower (talk) 16:47, 6 September 2018 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Alexa ranks, UTC time, etc[edit]

Alexa seems to update the website rankings around 16:00 UTC, which is annoying because it doesn't match our UTC schedule. Since we include the date of the Alexa rank shown on the Wikivoyage/Wikitravel comparison table, I'm not always sure which date to use.

I often update the Alexa rank around 0:00 — 4:00 UTC. If I do that, which date should I use? The day according to UTC or the day according to Pacific Time, which seems to be more what we're doing? I'm sure what you are doing is right, I'm just not always sure what day it should be. --Comment by Selfie City (talk | contributions) 17:34, 3 November 2018 (UTC)Reply[reply]


Hi, Yvwv. Thanks as always for your really helpful edits!

One thing, though: You've been using the word "diner". That word has a very specific meaning. Is w:Diner really what you mean? If not, please say what you mean. Diners are not very relevant to the Fine dining article; although really good ones can certainly serve very good food, there's really nothing about them that's similar to a high-end restaurant. Ikan Kekek (talk) 02:13, 9 April 2019 (UTC)Reply[reply]

I had understood "diner" as a generalized word for any restaurant. I had heard of the prefabricated postwar restaurant, but did not understand until now that the use of the word was so limited. /Yvwv (talk) 02:48, 9 April 2019 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Diners in my area of the U.S. don't have to be prefabricated, though that's the classic meaning, but they are a very particular kind of sit-down eatery. Ikan Kekek (talk) 04:03, 9 April 2019 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Community Insights Survey[edit]

RMaung (WMF) 14:34, 9 September 2019 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Reminder: Community Insights Survey[edit]

RMaung (WMF) 19:13, 20 September 2019 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Reminder: Community Insights Survey[edit]

RMaung (WMF) 17:04, 4 October 2019 (UTC)Reply[reply]

DC universe locs[edit]

I helped a little. StegasaurusPorri (talk) 01:14, 19 November 2019 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Map Legend[edit]

: Stockholm History Tour -  Blue  marks waypoints.  Red  marks interesting places for eating or drinking along the way. Green  marks landmarks visible from the distance"
  • Did this a few weeks ago for your map legend. -- Matroc (talk) 23:51, 17 February 2020 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Thanks. Looks good. /Yvwv (talk) 10:38, 18 February 2020 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Construction costs and corruption / authoritarianism[edit]

The excellent blog does a lot of coverage of construction costs on the rail sector. Among the lowest was achieved in 1990s Madrid, a phase now known to have been insanely corrupt. Authoritarianism doesn't seem to correlate either way. English speaking countries, including the U.S., the UK, Singapore (albeit only more recently), Australia have out of control construction costs Hobbitschuster (talk) 06:55, 28 July 2020 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Just released this article into mainspace, and as you've been editing many travel topics I think you'd probably feel inspired to add to it :) . --Ypsilon (talk) 20:09, 29 August 2020 (UTC)Reply[reply]



@Yvwv:Yeah, I'm rolling back edits that are potential vandalism. CatDog1234539 (talk) 20:29, 17 December 2020 (UTC)Reply[reply]

What happened here? Ikan Kekek (talk) 01:46, 31 December 2020 (UTC)Reply[reply]
The user was very active for a few days and has then been silent for a week. /Yvwv (talk) 01:50, 31 December 2020 (UTC)Reply[reply]
What vandalism, though? Ikan Kekek (talk) 09:44, 2 January 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]
No vandalism. That user undid a few normal edits by established users as vandalism. You could of course discuss whether the former or the new wording was better, but I blocked the user for two hours because of the vandal accusations, see their talk page or the vandalism in progress page. –LPfi (talk) 12:00, 2 January 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I see. Thanks for taking care of that. Ikan Kekek (talk) 22:53, 2 January 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]


Thanks as always for doing so much wonderful work!

There's one kind of edit you make that I always change, so I thought I'd give you a little insight into why I do that. It looks like authorities differ on whether it's OK to use a semicolon in a sentence with two clauses that couldn't both be sentences by themselves without adding any words, but for whatever it's worth, this site shows how I use semicolons. I would normally replace a semicolon with a comma (or in limited cases, a colon) every time I see that the second clause is a dependent clause like it is here. I'm a little less rigid about the use of commas in short sentences where a semicolon might be used, but semicolons where commas would be better in my opinion are kind of a pet peeve. Ikan Kekek (talk) 01:45, 31 December 2020 (UTC)Reply[reply]

There is one difference in how semicolons are presented there from how I have learnt they are used in Swedish. This is typical use: "I ordered a cheeseburger for lunch; life’s too short for counting calories." But I wouldn't refer to the clause before the semicolon like in" (italics mine) "Money is the root of all evil; I don’t believe the reverse is necessarily true." or "We can go to the museum to do some research; Mondays are pretty quiet there. Do authorities agree the latter sentences are correct in English? I would use a comma (or a dash) in these. –LPfi (talk) 16:58, 16 June 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Notice taken. /Yvwv (talk) 21:29, 16 June 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Thanks Yvwv. LPfi, all of those sentences look fine to me, for whatever that's worth. I would disagree with using a comma in place of a semicolon in all of them, and I think a semicolon is better than a dash, too. Ikan Kekek (talk) 07:16, 17 June 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]
OK. Thanks. Nice to have that sorted out. –LPfi (talk) 07:55, 17 June 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]

National Historic Trail articles[edit]

I am wondering if it would be better to group these into one article, rather than creating a bunch of stubs so that readers can get a quick overview of the trails that are available. If you are planning to expand these articles, them consolidating them wouldn't make sense. Ground Zero (talk) 22:08, 7 October 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Every trail is well-designated and deserves an article on its own. They should preferrably be written by someone more experienced with hiking in North America. /Yvwv (talk) 22:19, 7 October 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I could try working on them as I've been on some of them, but it's been about 10 years since I last went on one (not a long time, but a lot must've changed by then). SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 22:21, 7 October 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]
So, Yvwv, you're just creating stubs, then, and expecting other people to turn them into travel articles? Ground Zero (talk) 22:23, 7 October 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I started many articles which have been improved on by others. This is a collaborative project. /Yvwv (talk) 23:11, 7 October 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Why start articles about subjects you don't feel qualified to write about? Wouldn't it be better to focus on subjects you can write about? I've been trying to make useful articles out of stubs created by people 5, 10, 13 years ago and then just left for someone else to turn into useful articles. Stub articles are not useful for readers. We should be trying to fix them, rather than creating more. Ground Zero (talk) 01:56, 8 October 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I've been doing the same as GZ as well, except not to a large scale. I'm not sure if it's just me, but it annoys me when an imported article from Wikitravel with no info what-so-ever and also not being able to delete the article and start afresh. I'll openly admit I used to create stubs in my early days at this site, but much of them are at least usable or deleted as "author request". SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 02:18, 8 October 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I have worked on many of them, but I really do not want that to be a reason to create more. Some I would rather have deleted, and those I could not get usable I would still want to delete. Some became useful and nice, even if still short, and I am glad those were created.
This is a cooperative project, and I sometimes get inspired by an outline created by someone else. But I seldom get inspired by a stub created for someone else to convert into a useful article. That is just a frustration I want to get rid of, and improving it is often easier than discussing it at VFD, and has the bonus of sometimes resulting in something useful. The time to do that might be away from projects I would have preferred to work on.
If you cannot write a useful or inspiring outline, then please write on Requested articles, on the talk page of the suggested article or, such as in this case, on the consolidated page. Cf Nidaros Path, where the trails are described to some degree, with separate articles (hopefully) created only as somebody can write at least a good outline on the individual ones.
I think one model could be to use the requested articles page to link to a talk page, where interested parties could discuss whether a certain article is viable, and how to best write it (hopefully with a vision presented right away). Often best structure is not evident – cf Knives or Foraging, where I really cannot envision the useful article. The former should probably be handled in articles like Budget travel, Outdoor life or Equipment (with content consolidated if there ever is enough to worry), the latter broken up among regions.
LPfi (talk) 10:42, 8 October 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]
There is a lot to say about motivation and work methods. In particular when it comes to the United States National Trails System, there is a need for a link network between destinations, topics and itineraries; in this case concerning historical destinations in the United States. I try to integrate unofficial routes such as From Plymouth to Hampton Roads and Black Belt with the official national historic trails. /Yvwv (talk) 13:29, 8 October 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Låter som ett bra och viktigt arbete. Och jag uppskattar vad du gör. Det är bara en del av stubbarna som jag upplever som frustrerande. –LPfi (talk) 19:29, 11 October 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]
(google translate) Det kan vara frustrerande, men stubs är inte användbara. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 22:16, 11 October 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]


Please read this on your talk page at Wikimedia Commons. -- Basile Morin (talk) 02:50, 11 October 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]

An award for you![edit]

The Wikivoyage Barncompass
Thank you for working on the DOTM map, the work is kind of tedious but rewarding, just a request as you collect the wikidata items for the map can you upgrade the Wikidata badges on each page to featured as most lack the badge (gold star). Tai123.123 (talk) 23:20, 11 November 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Thanks for the recognition. /Yvwv (talk) 23:32, 11 November 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@Tai123.123 An FYI, but the gold star batch on Wikidata that says "Featured article" is usually intended for star articles. The "Good article" one is for featured articles. It's because we don't exactly use the system Wikipedia uses. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 13:30, 20 December 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@SHB2000 But Wikivoyage:Article status states that wikivoyage's DOTM (and OTBP) are comparable to WP's featured article while Star articles are comparable to Good Articles. This should be changed if wrong. Tai123.123 (talk) 15:56, 20 December 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Yes it should. I'll fix that. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 21:03, 20 December 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Hi Yvwv, regarding File:Harbor of Mui Ne Wikivoyage banner.jpg, I've just uploaded this dotm banner locally as dotm banners have to be uploaded locally. In this case, I've done it for you, but could you please do this in the future. Thanks. --SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 13:05, 20 December 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]

I have also done this for the second and third banners you nominated for Sinhala phrasebook. Could you please do the others? SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 13:16, 20 December 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Will take care of it. There was a bit of a hurry to get those banners made. /Yvwv (talk) 13:19, 20 December 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Yeah no problem. Thanks for taking care of those :) SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 13:28, 20 December 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Here you go[edit]

Here are the stats for number of tourists in West Bengal, including Cooch Behar. Head down to page 173. 2006nishan178713t@lk 16:28, 30 December 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Thanks. The border between DoTM and OtBP will be reconsidered. /Yvwv (talk) 16:29, 30 December 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]
In (, Rash mela is mostly organized in late November or early December. If possible, please change it accordingly. 2006nishan178713t@lk 18:10, 30 December 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]

How we will see unregistered users[edit]


You get this message because you are an admin on a Wikimedia wiki.

When someone edits a Wikimedia wiki without being logged in today, we show their IP address. As you may already know, we will not be able to do this in the future. This is a decision by the Wikimedia Foundation Legal department, because norms and regulations for privacy online have changed.

Instead of the IP we will show a masked identity. You as an admin will still be able to access the IP. There will also be a new user right for those who need to see the full IPs of unregistered users to fight vandalism, harassment and spam without being admins. Patrollers will also see part of the IP even without this user right. We are also working on better tools to help.

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We have two suggested ways this identity could work. We would appreciate your feedback on which way you think would work best for you and your wiki, now and in the future. You can let us know on the talk page. You can write in your language. The suggestions were posted in October and we will decide after 17 January.

Thank you. /Johan (WMF)

18:14, 4 January 2022 (UTC)

Thank you...[edit]

The Gold Barncompass
Hi Yvwv,

It's something that is well-needed, but goes very unappreciated, thank you for all the work you do to distinguish Wikivoyage from The Other Site. Though it will be near impossible to entirely distinguish Wikivoyage and the site full of spambots, touts and vandals, every single little step taken to distinguish ourselves will eventually draw more readers to this site.

--SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 01:43, 14 May 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Thanks for the revert to my edits on "European Art"[edit]

Re-reading the text, I see that your revert is correct. The word "death" must not have registered with me. If a human lifetime is up to 100 years, then the 1950 date is right. Thanks for the eagle eye! Mrkstvns (talk) 17:24, 3 January 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

1850 is a bit much still. Few live for 100 years after they created the work one is interested in. On the other hand, some countries have longer terms (Mexico has 100 years pma), and some base the term on the year of publication (the USA). I rewrote the paragraph trying (in vain?) not to dwell on the more arcane possibilities. There is similar paragraphs in Art and antiques shopping and Modern and contemporary art. I don't know how much we should write, nor how to cross-link the sections. You might want to take a look. –LPfi (talk) 18:59, 3 January 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
A very real problem is that you may not publish a photo of that 1810s item you bought if it has been inherited in a family, without being publicly exhibited before 2002, when it was sold on an auction (and "published"). That item will be under copyright until 2047 in the USA (unless there is some exception I am unaware of) and until 2027 in the EU (not under copyright, but a related publication right). –LPfi (talk) 19:17, 3 January 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Odd redirects[edit]

Why did you create redirects at Digital nomadry and Digital nomading? I cannot see that either is useful. Pashley (talk) 19:22, 21 July 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

They were mentioned at Wikivoyage:Requested articles as possible names of a the article before it was created as digital nomad. It might help with internal linking and SEO. /Yvwv (talk) 19:31, 21 July 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Why new disclaimers?[edit]

I thought that we had consensus at Wikivoyage:Travellers' pub#When to use medical and legal disclaimers? that we generally don't need to add disclaimers. The "shall not be seen as legal advice" phrasing is pure legalese. It's like when you go to the bank for financial advice, pay for it and get it, but they have fine print that underlines that this advice isn't to be seen as advice.

I repeat from the pub thread: "[they] should be restricted to cases where people are likely to do risky things based on our advice." The phrasing in the added disclaimers are like the banks', it doesn't in any way affect how much a reader trusts the article, it just makes us look like we were controlled by a legal department. For legal purposes we have the general disclaimer, linked in the footer.

If we want to warn people, then let's give relevant warnings, such as that the regulations can be changed overnight, and that we haven't done any deeper research.

LPfi (talk) 07:28, 23 October 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Thanks for the comment, will reconsider. /Yvwv (talk) 11:44, 23 October 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]