User talk:Yvwv

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Hello, Yvwv! Welcome to Wikivoyage.

To help get you started contributing, we've created a tips for new contributors page, full of helpful links about policies and guidelines and style, as well as some important information on copyleft and basic stuff like how to edit a page. If you need help, check out Help, or post a message in the travellers' pub. Rodrigo Tetsuo Argenton m 10:09, 10 January 2013 (UTC)

Thanks. I am used to Wikipedia and Wikitravel, but Wikitravel's future seems uncertain at the moment. /Yvwv (talk) 10:15, 10 January 2013 (UTC)
I am curiouse what you mean. I also edit at Wikitravel and I know there wass changes there, but there seem to be a plenty of editors keeping the site clean and running. What you you mean "uncertain" and also that the "policies are killing them"? Thank you for your answer. --Voyage321 (talk) 20:22, 10 January 2013 (UTC)
Yesterday, I became aware of the conflict between Internet Brands and Wikimedia, as well as Wikitravel's boycott of Wikivoyage. From that, I have more confidence in Wikimedia than in Internet Brands. /Yvwv (talk) 06:59, 11 January 2013 (UTC)
Well perhaps maybe I will switch to Wv if this site ever gets travelers reading it. It will make little sense to edit here if the only one reading it is the other administrators. I write my travel article for to help travelers, not only to make a good website for nobody else to sees ;)--Voyage321 (talk) 09:10, 11 January 2013 (UTC)
Since Wikivoyage is ad-free, and endorsed by WMF, I guess that it will win the race. But we'll have to wait and see. /Yvwv (talk) 09:25, 11 January 2013 (UTC)

I am liking that idea... But I am not so sure what "to win" means? Most WMF projects fail except Wikipedia. Given that the search engine programs do not rank copied web pages I do not see how the site copied from Wikitravel can ever be really useful for a traveller because they will search and never find it? And the ads-Wikitravel do not bother me, all Internet has ads, it's normal. And you I think can turn them off on WT which is nice & different from most plAces --Voyage321 (talk) 19:05, 11 January 2013 (UTC)

"Winning" would be attraction of a critical mass of writers and readers. I look forward to further discussion the Travellers' Pub. /Yvwv (talk) 08:13, 12 January 2013 (UTC)
My advice is not to waste your time continuing to have this discussion with Voyage321, whose only edits at Wikivoyage are on your user talk page, leading me to make the reasonable inference that s/he is trolling for Internet Brands. Ikan Kekek (talk) 08:39, 12 January 2013 (UTC)
I realize this is no longer relevant, but for the record Voyage321 was indeed an IB sockpuppet: w:Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/IBobi. AHeneen (talk) 11:24, 16 February 2013 (UTC)

Requesting articles[edit]

Hi, this is a more important post than my previous one on your user talk page. There is no reason to request articles. If you believe an article is needed, just plunge forward and start it yourself. Ikan Kekek (talk) 08:41, 12 January 2013 (UTC)

The request lists have been successfully used at Wikipedia. At many circumstances, one would find an article to be missing, without having enough knowledge to start an article. /Yvwv (talk) 08:43, 12 January 2013 (UTC)
I agree with Ikan. There's a difference between WP and WV. If something is successful at Wikipedia or any other sister project, it doesn't means it gonna works here too. And one who find an article to be missing, xe do not need enough knowledge to start that missing article. Xe can simply create an article and fill it with the standard sections. That's it. --Saqib (talk) 08:49, 12 January 2013 (UTC)

Travel activities[edit]

I see that you have made some structural changes, moving material from Travel activities to Sports and Winter sports. I copied and added a little more, but your intention is not very clear (are some of these just intended as indexes or disambiguation pages, how much summaries, suggestions for missing topics should there be, are biking and horseback riding sports etc.). If you are going to continue the work I should perhaps wait for a while to see the result, but a note at a suitable talk page would be nice. --LPfi (talk) 11:00, 12 March 2013 (UTC)

Reply in Talk:Travel activities. /Yvwv (talk) 14:48, 12 March 2013 (UTC)

DotM Stockholm[edit]

Hi Yvwv! I checked today the Stockholm article you nominated for DotM. I'm supportive of your nomination and wrote that already on the Dotm nomination. I would suggest to gain more support for your nomination to adress some minor points (embassies look weird etc.). I will change some issues as well but the most important would be a standard map. Would you be willing to make one? Regards, jan (talk) 09:02, 18 April 2013 (UTC)

I support the nomination, too. I'm not sure why it's getting so little attention. I will try to "bump" it. Ikan Kekek (talk) 07:15, 27 July 2013 (UTC)

Homeless guide[edit]

You requested that. You should explain in your request what you have in mind, or just start the article, yourself, at your own risk. I'm not sure how it's going to have an acceptable tone, but you're the only one who knows what you are thinking of, which is part of the problem with "requested articles" in the first place.

All the best,

Ikan Kekek (talk) 20:29, 8 May 2013 (UTC)

Swedish TV had a short feature about homeless guides in London. I hope that someone knew more. /Yvwv (talk) 17:27, 13 June 2013 (UTC)

Page banner size[edit]

Hi there. I have undone some of your page banner additions for being the wrong size. Please use 7:1 for banners. Thanks! Texugo (talk) 22:17, 19 May 2013 (UTC)

Hi again. Thanks for fixing those. One more thing you should take note of-- the image you put in China and the Great Wall articles is the right ratio but is too small to stretch all the way across the page on wider screens. The images cannot be stretched to be larger than their full size as uploaded, so we will need to find a higher resolution shot for those. Texugo (talk) 01:31, 20 May 2013 (UTC)

Hello, another request. When you upload new banners to Commons can you add matching categories like Category:Wikivoyage banners of Sweden to them, so we have all new banners in one place [1]. Jjtkk (talk) 06:07, 20 May 2013 (UTC)

Hi -- sorry, I've got another banner size request, too. The image for Norway looks very good, but it needs to have the 7:1 ratio.
Also, for guides like Copenhagen that have been featured as Destination of the Month or are a Star, the banner can be set up to show the icons. Just add dotm=yes (for Destination of the Month), star=yes (for Star articles) or otbp=yes (for Off the Beaten Path), and delete the {{title-icons}} template (it's usually near the bottom of the page). I set it up on Copenhagen as an example. Cheers -Shaundd (talk) 04:13, 22 May 2013 (UTC)

Buddhism[edit]

Really good start to that article! Ikan Kekek (talk) 14:07, 29 May 2013 (UTC)

Thank the people who wrote Sacred sites of the Indian sub-continent. /Yvwv (talk) 14:09, 29 May 2013 (UTC)

Fishing[edit]

Hey Yvwv,

I noticed your changes to Fishing, I would like to help develop this article better but realize that my perspective is painfully North American. Is this something that you are interested in? Help me develop this and give it more of a global perspective? Lumpytrout (talk) 16:16, 13 June 2013 (UTC)

I'll have a look at it. /Yvwv (talk) 16:35, 13 June 2013 (UTC)
alternate page banner idea. Lumpytrout (talk) 16:59, 13 June 2013 (UTC)
Yellowstone (Wyoming) banner Fly fishing.jpg
Looks great! /Yvwv (talk) 17:27, 13 June 2013 (UTC)

isPartOf for some locations in Sweden[edit]

Hi, need some input on best region to place Alingsås and Märsta in? --Traveler100 (talk) 21:05, 2 August 2013 (UTC)

Map objects[edit]

"Seems like map objects show up only after two saves". - No, but depending on the settings of your browser, you must execute page reload twice. Once for the article text, once for the map. - Grüße Mey2008 (talk) 05:16, 12 August 2013 (UTC)

Thanks, I'll have a try. /Yvwv (talk) 10:54, 12 August 2013 (UTC)

Kartor och regioner[edit]

Hej!

Ta en titt på det här diskussionen. ϒpsilon (talk) 09:57, 29 October 2013 (UTC)

Main and See also[edit]

I note you changed the templates {{main}} to {{see also}} in Winter sport. Is the former not to be used? I think this is a typical example where all relevant info should go to the other article, only a summary should be in the section of Winter sport and thus the former template should be used. To me See also is for cases where the information in the referenced article is probably relevant, but with a clearly different point of view. --LPfi (talk) 08:01, 13 December 2013 (UTC)

Is there a universal standard? /Yvwv (talk) 09:15, 13 December 2013 (UTC)
I only know how they are used at sv-wp, but if both are to be used, there should be a difference in how they are used. If you think "main" for some reason is not appropriate for this case or you think there should be only one, please explain why.
The difference has a practical implication: with "main", editors know that it is the other article that should be edited, and only the most important points repeated here. "See also" gives no such hint (unless section headings and article names match, but names and headings can change), and we risk having sections here and there, intended to summarize the main article, in fact grow larger than it.
--LPfi (talk) 17:54, 13 December 2013 (UTC)

Trouble with authorities[edit]

Hi, I noticed that you are linking many destination articles, such as North Korea to your Trouble_with_authorities article. This article is not very informative in its present state, therefore would you mind not linking further destination articles to it yet until it has more relevant content? Many thanks Andrewssi2 (talk) 09:48, 16 December 2013 (UTC)

Deletion has been proposed. Please comment at Wikivoyage:Votes_for_deletion#Trouble_with_authorities. Pashley (talk) 18:24, 16 December 2013 (UTC)
Diplomatic missions too. Pashley (talk) 01:42, 23 December 2013 (UTC)
Both are now close to the two-week deadline. It looks to me as if "trouble.." is likely to be deleted and "diplomatic.." kept, but I'm not certain on either. Comment now if you are going to. Pashley (talk) 12:52, 4 January 2014 (UTC)
Hi, you comments would be very useful since we never had your point of view on both of these. Just FYI I am still inclined to push for deletion of "trouble with authorities". Thanks. Andrewssi2 (talk) 13:07, 4 January 2014 (UTC)

Moving top level Travel Topics[edit]

Please note that although Travel topics page index works relativity automatic, its advantage that if someone adds a new page or changes PartOfTopic then the index updates itself. The one exception to this is if a top level page is renamed. Note that in this cat the main page need to have its link updated. Also please note that the categories of pages with sub-pages also need to be fixed. I assume the restructure of Transportation is not complete from your standpoint? --Traveler100 (talk) 05:06, 22 April 2015 (UTC)

War on terror[edit]

Hi, I think you meant well by deleting the 'War on terror' discussion, however we need to keep these discussions as a record in case it comes back up again.

You could create something like Talk:Historical_travel/Archive and move there. It can then be linked from the parent article. --Andrewssi2 (talk) 01:06, 20 May 2015 (UTC)

help needed.[edit]

with my wikivoyage articles. --Thahouseusers2015 (talk) 13:21, 20 June 2015 (UTC)

Thank you![edit]

You deserve recognition and thanks for having the vision to start several very relevant travel topics that other people probably didn't think of starting. It's actions like this that will make Wikivoyage a much better guide.

All the best,

Ikan Kekek (talk) 02:16, 13 August 2015 (UTC)

Your welcome. /Yvwv (talk) 03:01, 13 August 2015 (UTC)

Nordic countries[edit]

I am not objection to the move, but where is the discussion on the rename? --Traveler100 (talk) 11:48, 17 August 2015 (UTC)

There seemed to be consensus, but an admin was needed. /Yvwv (talk) 16:51, 17 August 2015 (UTC)

British Raj[edit]

Hi, Yvwv. Considering that there's already a British Raj article, I would suggest for you to merge and redirect Colonial India, as the French and Portuguese colonization of India is not a huge topic.

What do you think?

All the best,

Ikan Kekek (talk) 12:59, 2 October 2015 (UTC)

Will have a look at it. The British East India Company was however a big deal. /Yvwv (talk) 13:57, 2 October 2015 (UTC)

Replacing banners[edit]

I noticed that you replaced the article banner of Kamchatka. Typically we raise a request on the article's talk page if we want to propose a change to the article's banner.

The image you replaced looks obviously better so I don't suggest undoing that. In future could you raise a request on an article's talk page first?

Thanks! --Andrewssi2 (talk) 05:32, 21 October 2015 (UTC)

Notice taken. /Yvwv (talk) 14:33, 21 October 2015 (UTC)

Road articles[edit]

Hi!

I've noticed you've created a couple of road articles about European roads in Sweden. To my understanding there should be something "special" about the route itself (ie. something more than just getting from A to B) for it to be a valid travel topic (also see the lengthy discussion here). Nothing really wrong with the routes you've created so far (the E10 is quite scenic too if I remember correctly) but just thought of letting you know in the case you're planning to create itineraries for all Swedish E-roads. ϒpsilon (talk) 05:18, 9 November 2015 (UTC)

I have no plans to create articles for all E-roads; maybe one or two more. /Yvwv (talk) 13:44, 9 November 2015 (UTC)

Ancient Roman pasta[edit]

Thanks for your fascinating edit to Roman Empire! It might interest you that when I was visiting the Lupanare in Pompeii, a man said that when it was first excavated, they found out that one of the customers (or maybe one of the prostitutes, but I think he said a man) was having a lunch break and didn't have time to eat his pasta e fagioli before the lava killed everyone. Supposedly, the remains of said pasta e fagioli were found, still in a bowl. Ikan Kekek (talk) 14:08, 28 November 2015 (UTC)

You're welcome. /Yvwv (talk) 14:10, 28 November 2015 (UTC)
Isn't there one Italian pasta-style called "a la puttanesca" (Won't translate this)? I think it contains tomatoes, so it can't have been invented in Roman times... But now we know where they are coming from ;-) Hobbitschuster (talk) 18:35, 28 November 2015 (UTC)
Yes, alla puttanesca indeed. Ikan Kekek (talk) 09:48, 29 November 2015 (UTC)

Monarchies[edit]

I think is an excellent opportunity to qualify what the monarchies left (or didnt) in the places where they were located - so I think the article needs to develop substantiallly to qualify why and how some kingdoms are like the 'Ozymandis' poem - archaeological sites in the desert, versus the romanov industry in st petersburg where it is as though Nicholas is still alive and ruling even now ... - I am more or less saying that the monarchy talk page issue about 'just a list' can be countered to what extent the monarchies stamp on a country still carries weight in the countries. Also there is a lot of anthroplogy in some of the more obscure asian and african monarchies - it really needs to be brought out, rather than subsumed into a mere list imho. cheers JarrahTree (talk) 03:27, 30 November 2015 (UTC)

Cuisine articles[edit]

Hi, and thanks as always for your work!

I'm not sure, though, why you start articles on cuisines. My feeling is that I'd never start such an article without even basic travel-related information. We don't need to paraphrase other sources about the basics of North African cuisine in a separate article. The only purpose for this kind of article on Wikivoyage, in my opinion, is if we can tell people which region, town or village is most famous for X, Y and Z dish. Otherwise, what's the point of having the article here?

Also, minor but recurrent point: In English, we talk about Italian cuisine, French cuisine and Spanish cuisine. "The French cuisine" sounds weird to me. "The" is not usually used with cuisine except in the phrasing "the cuisine of France/Italy/America/etc."

All the best,

Ikan Kekek (talk) 14:24, 8 September 2016 (UTC)

Thanks for the remarks about grammar; I am not native in English. Except a list of dishes, these articles could preferrably expand on practical information about eating and drinking in various regions, such as meal times, table manners, tipping, availability of vegetarian foods, and alcohol. I have tried to include this within the Nordic cuisine article, where I have first-hand information. /Yvwv (talk) 15:17, 9 September 2016 (UTC)
Tipping isn't a matter of cuisine, nor is table manners. Meal times aren't really cuisine, either, though they obviously can have an effect on culinary practice (see, for example, the cultural context of tapas in Catalonia). I think that it's very problematic to move practical information from country articles to articles that are supposedly about cuisines. Ikan Kekek (talk) 01:23, 10 September 2016 (UTC)

Fair or not?[edit]

Do you feel this is a politically biased statement, or is it accurate, given that this site's standard is be fair, not "avoid political statements"?

Scania is very safe, with the exception that in recent years, there have been several racist attacks against non-Swedes, connected with the rise of the far-right Sweden Democrats in the area.

Merry Christmas if you're celebrating today,

Ikan Kekek (talk) 15:58, 25 December 2016 (UTC)

Replying in Talk:Scania. /Yvwv (talk) 16:08, 25 December 2016 (UTC)
Thanks. Much appreciated. Ikan Kekek (talk) 16:21, 25 December 2016 (UTC)

Cross-namespace redirects[edit]

I deleted the "OBVIOUS" cross-namespace redirect, although it can be recreated if you feel it's important. Wikipedia goes into detail on the pros and cons at w:Wikipedia:Cross-namespace redirects. -- Ryan • (talk) • 16:31, 10 January 2017 (UTC)

Intercity buses in the Nordic Countries[edit]

It seems to me that you and User:LPfi have some knowledge of intercity buses in the Nordic countries. Do you think this would be a better approach to the topic than the current small section in the Nordic countries article and the rail and bus travel in Sweden article? It appears to me that the Nordic countries have a bus market predating the German and French legal changes of the 2010s and are still mostly dominated by local companies. Or am I mistaken on that? Hobbitschuster (talk) 18:11, 6 March 2017 (UTC)

For geographic reasons, most Nordic bus routes either go within one country, or connect to Germany or some other non-Nordic country. The few lines which cross borders can be described in intercity buses in Europe. /Yvwv (talk) 18:14, 6 March 2017 (UTC)
So the markets are mostly separate for each country? Are there players that are active in several countries? Hobbitschuster (talk) 18:17, 6 March 2017 (UTC)
Replying in Talk:Nordic countries. /Yvwv (talk) 18:19, 6 March 2017 (UTC)
Okay. Hobbitschuster (talk) 18:47, 6 March 2017 (UTC)

Rephrasing articles[edit]

Hi, Yvwv. I undid your changes to South Korea, but I want you to know that I appreciate your work and of course fully understand your motivation for it. Ikan Kekek (talk) 20:37, 5 June 2017 (UTC)

Point taken. Maybe we can settle for a third option? /Yvwv (talk) 20:40, 5 June 2017 (UTC)
[Edit conflict]: I have to observe, though, that here, too, you deleted good information that I believe needs to remain in the article: It borders Myanmar (Burma) to the northwest, Laos to the northeast, Cambodia to the southeast, and Malaysia to the south. There is no substitute for providing readers with a clear sense of where a country is. You could slightly rephrase to "It abuts [or has borders with] Malaysia in the south..." Ikan Kekek (talk) 20:41, 5 June 2017 (UTC)
Sure, try again, but please don't subtract useful information. Ikan Kekek (talk) 20:41, 5 June 2017 (UTC)
And on Malaysia:
While the capital Kuala Lumpur is a cosmopolitan city, deep jungles cover much of the land.
That was true in 1975. It hasn't been true for a long time. And you also subtracted information about bordering countries. Ikan Kekek (talk) 20:44, 5 June 2017 (UTC)
Thanks for the information on jungles; sorry to have looked at obsolete sources. In my opinion, the lead section does not need to bring up the bordering countries. That information can be easily found through looking at a map, and is probably not what a reader would look for in a guidebook (we are not Wikipedia). Instead, the lead section should present facts which would be interesting for a potential visitor, such as major attractions, landforms, and suitable activities. Wikivoyage:Article templates/Sections should develop on how to present countries, regions and cities. /Yvwv (talk) 20:51, 5 June 2017 (UTC)
Most of the information we present on this site can be found elsewhere. There are plenty of better sources for history and cuisine, and a lot of the other information we present can be found in other guides like Tripadvisor and Michelin. I think that which countries border on the country you're reading about is quite useful information. It doesn't have to be in the lede, but if not, it should be in "Understand". Ikan Kekek (talk) 20:57, 5 June 2017 (UTC)
The list of bordering countries tends to get repetitive, at least. I just tried to put the information in context in the lead section of Thailand. /Yvwv (talk) 21:04, 5 June 2017 (UTC)
Do we list all bordering countries for the likes of Russia 0or China? I think we should really ask ourselves whether information as trivial as this should really be in one of the very first sentences of our country articles... Hobbitschuster (talk) 18:04, 27 June 2017 (UTC)

Indochina[edit]

I'm sorry, I don't agree that Thailand is part of Indochina. The countries that are usually considered to be part of Indochina were all part of French Indochina during the colonial period: Vietnam, Laos and Cambodia. Thailand was never colonized and is not usually considered part of any region smaller than Southeast Asia. Ikan Kekek (talk) 21:06, 5 June 2017 (UTC)

Changed to "continental South East Asia". /Yvwv (talk) 21:07, 5 June 2017 (UTC)
Cool. :-) Ikan Kekek (talk) 21:08, 5 June 2017 (UTC)

South Korea[edit]

Hi, really appreciate you taking up the task of creating different intros to the WT site for many articles. I hope it will have an impact on SEO soon!

With regards to South Korea, it is indeed currently 'trapped' in its relationship with North Korea by virtue of geography. It is more of a technical conflict than a 'live fire' war, and for the most part is ignored by most South Koreans even when the occasional shot is fired. --Andrewssi2 (talk) 04:03, 6 June 2017 (UTC)

Mountaineering and rock climbing[edit]

I note you changed the scope of the articles Mountaineering and Rock climbing, without any changes to the articles themselves (apart from a note on base camps and links to some modes of transport). I am not very happy. Rock climbing is a sport in itself and does not necessarily have anything to do with mountains. We do not handle climbing techniques at all – and should not until we have contributors who are both sufficiently experienced and willing to write a worthwhile guide here (I now notice the Basics section, but I think it does not catch the distinctions used in mountaineering). Mountaineering, on the other hand is not about "travel through mountains" in general; advice on driving mountain roads should be somewhere else.

Are you planning to rewrite the articles according to the new scope definitions? Have you some idea of how the old scopes would be included, served elsewhere or not being worthwhile?

--LPfi (talk) 22:35, 26 June 2017 (UTC)

You are welcome to revert them. In any case, both of these articles should define their own scope. /Yvwv (talk) 23:02, 26 June 2017 (UTC)
OK. I added a paragraph on scope to each article. No idea whether those scope definitions are to broad or narrow, or whether developing the articles in some other direction would be better. (And sorry if I sounded harsh, outlines seldom give a clear picture of intended scope, and changing the scope in any direction is probably OK – the descriptions just did not fit my personal image of the articles.) --LPfi (talk) 09:16, 27 June 2017 (UTC)

Sweden's new page banner doesn't show up[edit]

Swept in from the pub

I made a new page banner for Sweden. On my computer, it does not show up, in spite of page refreshing and new edits. Can you see it? /Yvwv (talk) 20:12, 31 July 2017 (UTC)

A hard reload made the trick. /Yvwv (talk) 20:13, 31 July 2017 (UTC)

Hello[edit]

Just getting to know everyone. Hello. --Warfare910 (talk) 15:53, 25 August 2017 (UTC)

Travel maps for Latin Europe[edit]

I've gone ahead and modified the existing maps to work with Latin Europe. I've modified both the Europe regions map, as well as a Latin Europe-only map. Both of them are available in SVG and PNG, should you have a preference to use an SVG extention.

  • Europe regions minimal cities--mod Latin Europe (SVG)(PNG)
  • Latin Europe Wikivoyage Map (SVG)(PNG)

Colours used in the latter map are as follows:

Country Fill colour Country Fill colour
Italy b5d29f San Marino 5bcc48
France d56d76 Monaco 578e86
Spain d09440 Vatican City 71b37b
Portugal d5dc76 Andorra 69999f
Malta 4f93c0

-- Wauteurz (talk) 17:32, 10 September 2017 (UTC)

Thanks! That looks great! /Yvwv (talk) 17:33, 10 September 2017 (UTC)
We can consider removing the capital cities of the microstates, so the territory becomes visible. /Yvwv (talk) 17:36, 10 September 2017 (UTC)
Technically speaking, I can remove the capital city markers, practically speaking though, that will result in little gain. Andorra would be the only microstate that would be shown. The other three are simply too little to be shown. On top of that, the Vatican is located within Rome, so Rome and the Vatican currently share their capital city markers. What I can do, however, is change the capital markers to show the colours above within the marker. The marker for San Marino, for example, would have the same colour for the circle in the background, but the star should be displayed in #5bcc48. This way, the colours listed in the region list would not be lacking in the image. I'll see if I can get that done today, if not, I'll do it tomorrow. I'll let you know when I get the images updated. Also, once I find the right maps for it, I'll also add the E-routes, airports and main railways, which should be on these sorts of maps, but rarely get added. This'll probably be done no earlier than next weekend. The map as I linked above is sufficient, but in no way complete yet.
-- Wauteurz (talk) 19:27, 10 September 2017 (UTC)
The markers have been updated. I've also gone ahead and edited them on Latin Europe already.
-- Wauteurz (talk) 18:58, 11 September 2017 (UTC)
Great work. /Yvwv (talk) 19:06, 11 September 2017 (UTC)