- 1 User with new IP
- 2 Olympic Games 2020 box
- 3 Western Xia
- 4 Dutch-language map for part of Indonesia?
- 5 I may just have to thank you
- 6 Lonavla
- 7 From Your Seemingly Inexhaustible Supply of Banner Images
- 8 Gering
- 9 Villarreal
- 10 As a close wiki-companion, thought you should know
- 11 Concensus
- 12 Telstra vandal
- 13 Edit summaries on Telstra blocks, talk page messages, etc.
- 14 Confused
- 15 Re Groningen edit
- 16 mapframe
- 17 tassie
- 18 Vandalism
- 19 Telstra?
- 20 Get in and around
- 21 can I make wikivoyage more attractive?
- 22 Wikibreak
- 23 New edits
- 24 Share your experience and feedback as a Wikimedian in this global survey
- 25 Reminder: Share your feedback in this Wikimedia survey
- 26 Your feedback matters: Final reminder to take the global Wikimedia survey
User with new IP
Re: User talk:126.96.36.199: Telstra IP user screwing with us again. He seems obsessed with adding the names of explorers from given towns in the guides for them, lately. Probably should be summarily blocked already. Ikan Kekek (talk) 00:45, 2 February 2017 (UTC)
- Thanks Ikan Kekek , I do agree. Just trying to to assume good faith. --Andrewssi2 (talk) 01:46, 2 February 2017 (UTC)
Olympic Games 2020 box
I'm interested in your Olympic Games 2020 box, if you don't mind I want to modify it for 2018 Asian Games 2018 in Jakarta in Wikipedia article (not in Wikivoyage). Can I do it? Thank you in advance.Gsarwa (talk) 12:58, 26 February 2017 (UTC)
Hi Gsarwa, there is no ownership of material of Wikivoyage, so you are free to take what you want! However unfortunately the template doesn't work, since the number only updates when an edit is made to the page :( --Andrewssi2 (talk) 21:12, 26 February 2017 (UTC)
|Asian Games 2018|
|, Jakarta and Palembang – 18/8/2018|
|96 days to go|
- Thank you. In Wikipedia there are (refresh) button to see the correct days, but certainly not all user understand it. Due to the countdown is still big, so I think I will refresh weekly, then every 3 days and finally daily.Gsarwa (talk) 21:24, 1 March 2017 (UTC)
Nice work on that article. I am not certain to what extent travellers will actually use this, or other articles on historical regions, but I think they are a good idea in any case. Pashley (talk) 22:54, 5 April 2017 (UTC)
- Thanks. In contrast to our article on Roman empire where there is so much evidence (even Roman law still being used today) that I think it is a fascinating subject due to the fact there is limited evidence to how this forgotten empire worked. Definitely a very niche subject area but felt it would be good to summarize what is available for aspiring Tangutologists Andrewssi2 (talk) 22:59, 5 April 2017 (UTC)
Dutch-language map for part of Indonesia?
Thanks a lot for adding this map, but using the language of the former colonial overlords who had to be beaten off through a brutal war could be offensive to some Indonesians. I take it there's no English-language map on Commons? Ikan Kekek (talk) 07:38, 24 April 2017 (UTC)
- I changed to the Google map. I was hating the banner, but couldn't find anything better on Commons, but thought to use the available map anyhow.
- I wasn't aware that there were such negative feelings towards the Dutch in Indonesia. --Andrewssi2 (talk) 08:16, 24 April 2017 (UTC)
I may just have to thank you
Dear Andrewssi2, I find your new banner you added to Cheyenne more accurate and representative of Cheyenne than the previous one, which showed North Cheyenne and Ranchettes. I liked the previous one, it was pretty, but Cheyenne does need to show its true self, so your move was good. 188.8.131.52 17:04, 9 May 2017 (UTC)
- Sure thing, although I think we can still do better. If you find a better CC photo then let me know and I will make a banner for it! (Or update the banner yourself). --Andrewssi2 (talk) 21:57, 9 May 2017 (UTC)
- Andrewssi2, I have come upon a Downtown image that would be more representative.
User:184.108.40.206 would like to obtain WikiVoyage:Consensus before the addition of this image, to avoid being a nuisance of others, or vandalism.
- Unfortunately Ikan is correct. You need a picture that is at least 1800 pixels wide (and preferably at least 2100 pixels wide). I agree otherwise that it would make for a better banner. Suggest you look on Flickr.com for a Creative Commons compliant image which we could import. --Andrewssi2 (talk) 21:34, 15 May 2017 (UTC)
- This discussion is better held at Talk:Cheyenne since it would receive more attention. I highly doubt that the suggested texturized image would be considered better than the existing banner. First, it is way too small. Second, because of its size it would be difficult to crop into the correct aspect ratio. See manual of style article on this atWikivoyage:Banners and then peruse Wikivoyage:Banner_Expedition/Star_standard_banners to see examples of banners that have a general consensus of being good. Additionally, a picture from 1920 or 1950 (not sure which because the file path say's it's from 1920 and the subtext says it's from 1950) wouldn't give a good view of what the place is like today. It might be ok, without the texture, as a side image under the understand section however. Personal Opinions: while it is not mentioned in the style manual, I believe the texture looks like a default Photoshop texture that was slapped onto the image to make it appear old/authentic. It's tacky. Also, black and white images aren't very eye catching and I feel we try to choose attractive banners. If you are in the area, I strongly recommend taking a picture yourself and uploading it under creative commons license. Saves a significant amount of searching for large size, high quality pictures that may not exist yet. DethDestroyerOfWords (talk) 21:03, 14 November 2017 (UTC)
- Hi Traveler100 - Sorry about that. If I notice a banner-less article it is generally the case that one won't get created! Please replace it with your own because not that much care and attention goes into mine. --Andrewssi2 (talk) 22:01, 14 May 2017 (UTC)
From Your Seemingly Inexhaustible Supply of Banner Images
Thanks for adding the banner images (I don't seem to have or be able to find any of sufficient resolution), I've created/uprated several destination pages you might have or be able to find banner images for: North Walsham, Acle, Harleston (Norfolk), Holt, Burnham Market and Stalham and Sutton. Thanks. PsamatheM (talk) 21:49, 15 May 2017 (UTC)
- Plus North Norfolk (difficult one) PsamatheM (talk) 21:58, 15 May 2017 (UTC)
- Sorry about this but a few more Wells-next-the-Sea, Long Stratton, Diss, Cromer, Hunstanton, Thetford, Great Yarmouth - these are just the destination pages I've worked on to up-rate "outline"->"usable" (I'm not trawling the entire site loading work on to you!). Thanks for those you've done - they do make a fantastic difference to the pages PsamatheM (talk) 22:43, 15 May 2017 (UTC)
- Sure some are difficult to find but a combination of a large enough Wikimedia image as well as the built in crop tool make this very easy. I suggest you take a look at enabling the crop tool in WikiMedia yourself (LINK) and define a 7:1 image. It is very easy. --Andrewssi2 (talk) 23:30, 15 May 2017 (UTC)
Good afternoon, Andrewssi2, I really thought my image was pretty summarizing, and when I got the note about wrong ratios, I became concerned, because I, a really good tech person, COULDNT Figure out how to crop it, where you came in. Thank you on my behalf for saving my work in a pinch!
- Easy to do, but probably going to have to set up an an account! I suggest you take a look at enabling the crop tool in WikiMedia yourself (LINK) and define a 7:1 image. It is very easy. --Andrewssi2 (talk) 23:25, 21 May 2017 (UTC)
- I was under the impression that you felt all articles had value, however empty? That particular red link was sticking out rather so I created the article on a whim. Andrewssi2 (talk) 00:47, 1 June 2017 (UTC)
As a close wiki-companion, thought you should know
|Notice of account creation and page movement|
|I, 220.127.116.11 have decided to create an account, User: Zanygenius please direct all posts to my new talk page.|
- The very truth is this, but for the sake of agreement is better to simplify things, also there is not that much international law on the moon as few countries signed that treaty.--Neurorebel (talk) 00:36, 19 June 2017 (UTC)
- It is still binding, regardless of the lack of ratification. It is definitely not the same as saying the is no law. --Andrewssi2 (talk) 00:41, 19 June 2017 (UTC)
Again, have youo reviewed this diff ? Im sorry what I really meant is this diff, that ip was mine, really sorry.--Neurorebel (talk) 08:17, 19 June 2017 (UTC)
- It is still binding, regardless of the lack of ratification. It is definitely not the same as saying the is no law. --Andrewssi2 (talk) 00:41, 19 June 2017 (UTC)
- I'm a bit lost regarding what you want to point out... but if lawless places are of interest to you then you should definitely check out Bir_Tawil which has potentially less law applied to it than the moon. --Andrewssi2 (talk) 09:15, 19 June 2017 (UTC)
I've had this on my own MediaWiki where it kept spamming swimwear site wickedweasel in articles - it used the same sort of naming patterns and the IPs also resolved to Telstra. It obviously wasn't a Wikimedia wiki (being my own one on automobiles that was small and obscure, only had 60 real contributors, most were spambots). I've also known of this user to try and create subpages from main articles with random strings of numbers (I had to delete a load of /w/v/valca articles the user created as subpages of main, it's nearly always /w/index.php/ARTICLENAME spam).
- Thanks Walkden861 . We are looking at ways to prevent this person editing in the hope that they give up. It is challenging because we don't want to inadvertently prevent good users from editing. --Andrewssi2 (talk) 23:53, 19 June 2017 (UTC)
- No worries, I know what it's like, having used Virgin Media IPs back in 2004-2005 as an anon. The user you mentioned also has a habit of spamming wickedweasel domains into articles too (I had to oversight these on my old MediaWiki install to keep my wiki family-friendly). --Walkden861 (talk) 09:58, 20 June 2017 (UTC)
Edit summaries on Telstra blocks, talk page messages, etc.
While I certainly sympathize with your frustration in dealing with this extraordinarily persistent vandal, I wonder if you've ever considered that perhaps terse edit summaries such as "You don't get to edit. Give it up" might be serving to "feed the troll"? This is nothing more than pure speculation on my part, but I've always been of the opinion that Telstra is equally as likely to be a case of intentional disruptiveness as one of extreme ignorance or a language barrier. I think this might be worth considering. -- AndreCarrotflower (talk) 05:07, 24 June 2017 (UTC)
- You are right AndreCarrotflower . Although I'm not completely convinced that they are getting any gratification out of this, it is still a possibility. I'll desist from now on. Thanks, --Andrewssi2 (talk) 03:41, 25 June 2017 (UTC)
Thanks for the message - i have no idea how to reply ...? I don't recall adding any "tour group" links to the Australia post can you please advise what tour company i have used. I referred to some general Australian websites and a travel blog - was not aware you could not link back to Wikipedia links as i thought i saw a few when i was reading this article? Sam-BJF (talk) 08:14, 13 July 2017 (UTC)
- Hi Sam-BJF - Apologies for that. TravelKing is not a tour group site, so sincere apologies for the assumption.
- Nevertheless we only allow links to official tourist organizations for a given destination and so linking to that site was still not allowed. For future reference links to specific business listings are allowed, just as long as the business is not a tour group. (Your TravelKing link was not a listing).
- We also do not allow Wikipedia links. I'm personally not a supporter of that policy, but it is policy nevertheless. Please see Wikivoyage:Cooperating_with_Wikipedia#Links_to_Wikipedia for further details. --Andrewssi2 (talk) 23:59, 13 July 2017 (UTC)
Thanks Andrew, I'm still a little confused by your comment : links to specific business listings are allowed, just as long as the business is not a tour group. (Your TravelKing link was not a listing). I have seen Travel blogs and travel websites used on here and on Wikipedia as sources... I was just following the trend. The link I added in is a high resource on google when googling that topic, I have found that blogs or smaller websites provide a bit more information than main tourist websites that have an agenda or are being paid to advertise places?
- Hi Sam-BJF - I can't speak with authority about Wikipedia, although they do encourage references and we do not even allow them. The reason for the lack of external linking is to retain all relevant travel information about a destination on the article itself (with the rationale that the traveler could just go and print off the whole thing).
- Actual external link policy is here: Wikivoyage:External_links , and unfortunately TravelKing would qualify as a 'secondary source' and not be included as per policy.
- We do encourage discussion around our policies. If you like you can raise this on either the Wikivoyage:Travellers'_pub or on Wikivoyage_talk:External_links --Andrewssi2 (talk) 06:26, 17 July 2017 (UTC)
Thanks Andrew - its a little bizarre that i cant add external links but the pages are filled with external links to secondary sources... but thanks for the pep talk ill update pages when i get some time from time to time..
- Sure Sam-BJF, look forward to your future contributions. Andrewssi2 (talk) 12:34, 20 July 2017 (UTC)
Re Groningen edit
You state in an edit summary that Holland and the Netherlands are the same thing, this is a commonly held misconception. Holland is part of the Netherlands, see Talk:Netherlands#Netherlands_vs._Holland. Saying Groningen is in Holland is like saying Edinburgh is in England. Simply incorrect.
- Thanks for the clarification (although Edinburgh is in a different country altogether, so perhaps not a good comparison? maybe saying Seville is in Catalonia?)
- My actual text change was to 'country', since seeing Netherlands repeated in two sentences didn't look good. I hope that was OK. --Andrewssi2 (talk) 13:55, 18 July 2017 (UTC)
- Well, I didn't make the original change, but seems fine to me.
- Vadim Shlyakhov : Adding a dynamic map is in no way an act of vandalism, and in fact is required for developing into guide status. Part of my role as an Admin on WV is to watch for vandalism, so I'm pretty sure I'd know. --Andrewssi2 (talk) 10:24, 7 October 2017 (UTC)
- Please check Wikivoyage:Travellers'_pub#.7B.7BMapframe.7D.7D_vandalism --Vadim Shlyakhov (talk) 13:22, 8 October 2017 (UTC)
Hi Andrewssi2, Thank you for letting me know that my account had been involved with vandalism. I have found the user who, somehow managed to get through. I will erase the mischiefs done by this individual (a user: Ryan543) right away.
Thank you for letting me know.
P.S Could you send me the sources that have been vandalized by my account, because I don't know which sources were vandalized.
Thank you. Another side note (You have to block this user, he's vandalising all the wiki sites, he's only been blocked from Wikipedia)
- Check out all your contributions here: Special:Contributions/Ryan544 Andrewssi2 (talk) 01:28, 19 October 2017 (UTC)
Take a look at Tamtetoucht, specifically the edit history thereof. I'm having trouble determining if this is the Telstra vandal - if so, it seems to be a new evolution in his/her behavior. I was prepared to give User:BiscuitTime (I'm not going to wikilink the user names, because if they're not the Telstra vandal I'd just as soon not draw their attention here and offend them) the benefit of the doubt because his username doesn't fit the pattern and he's actually adding useful information (properly listingified POIs with geo coordinates, no less), but then the second new user came on the scene ("OrangeTraveller1829" - classic Telstra-style username) and made me reconsider the whole scenario. I think a second set of eyes would be useful here.
- Thanks AndreCarrotflower . With a name like that it seemed almost certainly to be Telstra, but the edit seemed helpful. Andrewssi2 (talk) 03:41, 9 January 2018 (UTC)
- Actually I am very jetlagged today (flew London to Sydney this morning) so wasn't able to analyse this too much. Initial impression was that it was Telstra, however 'OrangeTraveller1829' is actually slightly different name from Telstra's usual format. I'm nervous when I see things like facts and coordinates, because I do believe that Telstra has really little comprehension about the material that they are adding and frequently gets things wrong. Again, this might be legit different user. Andrewssi2 (talk) 05:07, 9 January 2018 (UTC)
- OK, so do we have a new policy of leaving Telstra-started articles up on an ad hoc basis? Is there a good reason not to delete this article? Also have a look at the history of Menzel Bourguiba. Isn't the whole point not to have these kinds of discussions but just to summarily delete? Ikan Kekek (talk) 12:10, 13 January 2018 (UTC)
- Hi Ikan Kekek . Apologies for not responding earlier, just have been traveling a lot. To be clear, I wasn't suggesting changing our agreed policy at all.
- There were attributes to these edits which indicated that they were of (relative) higher quality than the usual Telstra nonsense, but I now agree they are Telstra's. They should be deleted. Andrewssi2 (talk) 22:55, 13 January 2018 (UTC)
Get in and around
In Special:Diff/3237509 you split up the Kaarina Get in and around section into the standard Get in and Get around. The problem is that the Get in section now lacks information on getting in, while the combined section seems to have had that well covered. The reason I combined the two (I believe it was me) is that many of the buses and roads typically used for getting in are also useful for getting around, while purely local transport is sparse. If you think splitting up the information makes sense, then showing (or suggesting) how to split it in a manner making sense would be appreciated (I do appreciate your adding the map). --LPfi (talk) 21:10, 12 January 2018 (UTC)
- Hi LPfi. It isn't really a big deal, but we do try and keep things to the standard destination template. Even if we revert it back to your heading, it will likely be split out again by another editor in the future.
- I'm not going to object to you changing it back. Just bear in mind that it will probably be picked up again at some point and changed again. Andrewssi2 (talk) 02:17, 13 January 2018 (UTC)
can I make wikivoyage more attractive?
I'm pleased to be here, Just want to make wikivoyage more attractive with my edits of appeal!!!
- Hi Gun jack 2000. Everyone is welcome to edit and improve Wikivoyage. The reason I reverted your edit ( as I let you know at User_talk:Gun_jack_2000 ) is that changing the name of a region is contentious and doesn't make it more appealing. Andrewssi2 (talk) 22:10, 14 January 2018 (UTC)
Ok cool, thank's for this, Andrewss12.
Hi there Andrewss12,
Ok sure, understood, maybe I should have used the word more correct, instead of the word 'appealing'.
Just a question now, how do I go about gaining consensus? Is there a way for this?
- I started a discussion for you here: Talk:South_Asia#Rename_references_of_'Indian_Subcontinent'_to_'South_Asia' Andrewssi2 (talk) 00:22, 15 January 2018 (UTC)
This is just a note to say that I’m taking a Wikibreak of indeterminable length. I guess driven by a crypto racist comment into a discussion by another contributor and a subsequent realization that this wasn’t a good thing to engage with right now.
My motivation to contribute to Wikivoyage is from enjoying travel and a sincere desire to make travel better for everyone. Over time it seems that many people here just want to add comments about how they think you should behave, more often than not from a severely warped left-wing point of view. Others say you can’t ignore politics when traveling, but then go ahead and present only their POV.
The Internet in 2018 has no shortage of battlefields where one can fight culture wars. My original attraction to Wikivoyage was a decent space where we could talk about something we enjoyed. I’d like to think that I can return to that Wikivoyage at some point in the future. Andrewssi2 (talk) 07:15, 23 February 2018 (UTC)
- What's going on? It looks like I missed something. Anyway, take the time off, and we'll keep the light on for you. Ikan Kekek (talk) 07:34, 23 February 2018 (UTC)
- @Ikan Kekek: (and Andrewssi2 too, I guess, if he's still reading this): apologies for stumbling into this discussion late. If we're starting to lose valuable editors over this business at United States of America#Respect, then I think we've crossed a red line. Activity on that front has diminished lately, but should it crop up again I think we really ought to explore the option of a topic ban for certain users on certain subjects, and I think everyone knows what I'm referring to here. -- AndreCarrotflower (talk) 18:27, 19 March 2018 (UTC)
- I do find the discussions that regularly crop up in United States are frankly not about travel, nor in keeping with Wikivoyage:Keep_Wikivoyage_fun. Some topics are just never going to be agreed upon, and I would welcome a mechanism to close down off-topic conversations quickly and respectfully.
- I will try and come back soon. Thanks. Andrewssi2 (talk) 23:15, 19 March 2018 (UTC)
- If that's any consolation, we managed to agree on a suitable nonpartisan way of addressing current political situation in the US despite the differing political opinions of different editors. In this regard, I think we have done better than many other internet communities. My aim has always been to advise visitors properly so they don't offend the locals, and a lot of the stuff I was trying to do there was due to the shock factor I experienced when I moved to the U.S. and realised that Americans are very sensitive about many things that are regarded as trivial or even non-issues in Singapore and Australia. I apologise for getting carried away by some of the political discussions, but I assure you I most certainly stand by the position that WV is for providing practical travel advice, and not for promoting any particular political agenda. In any case, I think that until the political situation changes, the "Respect" section is good as it currently stands. Hopefully, you enjoy your break and we can have you back again soon. The dog2 (talk) 21:12, 20 March 2018 (UTC)
I just wanted to say, thank you for finally having me unblocked. I sincerely apologize for my behavior in 2016, and I hope you will enjoy my more recent edits, as well as the page I created for Assur, Iraq. Thank you, 18.104.22.168.
- @Andrewssi2: I've just blocked the above user for engaging in the exact same antics he's apologising for above. Hope you're enjoying your time away from Wikivoyage. All best wishes, Jamie (ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 19:20, 19 March 2018 (UTC))