Wikivoyage:Votes for deletion

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Votes for Deletion

This page lists articles, files and templates that are nominated for deletion. Any Wikivoyager can make a nomination or comment on any nomination. Nominations or comments should follow a rationale based on our current policy.

If our deletion policy leads towards a merge or redirect, then coordinate this on the discussion page of the article.

The purpose of this page is limited to the interpretation and application of our deletion policy. You can discuss what our deletion policies should be on the deletion policy discussion page.

Nominating[edit]

  1. For the article, file or template being proposed for deletion, add a {{vfd}} tag so that people viewing it will know that it is proposed for deletion. The {{vfd}} tag must be the very first thing, right at the very top, before everything else.
  2. Add a link to the article, file or template at the end of the list below, along with the reason why it is being listed for deletion. Sign your recommendation using four tildes ("~~~~"). List one article, file or template per entry.
  3. If you're nominating a file for deletion, make sure it's actually located on the English Wikivoyage and not on Wikimedia Commons.

The basic format for a deletion nomination is:

===[[Chicken]]===
* Not a valid travel article topic. ~~~~

Commenting[edit]

All Wikivoyagers are invited to comment on articles, files or templates listed for deletion. The format for comments is:

===[[Chicken]]===
* '''Delete'''.  Not a valid travel article topic. TravelNut 25:25, 31 Feb 2525 (EDT)
* '''Keep'''.  There is a town in [[Alaska]] called Chicken. ~~~~

When leaving comments you may elect to delete, keep, or redirect the article. If you recommend redirection, you may suggest where it should be redirected to. Any attempt to merge content from an article to some other destination must retain the edit history to comply with the attribution (CC BY-SA) requirements of the free license, so it may be possible to merge and redirect but not to merge and delete. Sign your comment using four tildes ("~~~~").

Deleting, or not[edit]

All nominated articles, files or templates are guilty unless proven innocent. If, after fourteen days of discussion, the consensus is to keep, redirect or merge, then any Wikivoyager should do it. If you are redirecting, please remember to check for broken redirects or double redirects as a result of your move. Remove any VFD notices from that page, and archive the deletion discussion as described in the next section.

If no consensus has emerged to keep the article, file or template, an administrator can delete it. Check if any article links to the article, file or template in question. After removing those links, delete the article, file or template. However, if the file is being deleted because it has been moved to Wikimedia Commons with the same name, do not remove links to the local file, as the links will be automatically be pointed to the file on Commons.

When deleting a template, consider first replacing it wherever it's been transcluded, especially if it served a formatting function. You can do this by adding "subst:" before the template name. Once that's done, you can delete the template without affecting individual uses of it.

Archiving[edit]

After you keep/redirect/merge/delete the article, file or template, move the deletion discussion to the Archives page for the appropriate month. The root Archives page has a directory. Note that it's the month in which the action was taken, rather than when the nomination was first posted, that should be used for the archived discussion; that way, recourse to the deletion log can lead subsequent readers right to the discussion (at least for the pages that were deleted).

When archiving, always make it clear to other editors what the outcome of the discussion was. This can be done by adding the result to the discussion in a separate edit from the one in which you remove the discussion from this page; or you can describe the outcome in the edit summary when you remove the discussion.

If the nominated article, file or template was not deleted, then place another (identical duplicate) copy of the deletion discussion on the discussion page of the article, file or template being kept or redirected.

See also:

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April 2018[edit]

Satellite Luna[edit]

This redirect was deleted by @Traveler100: without any discussion, so I am listing it here. Presumably the status of Satellite Luna as a redirect will follow the decision for whether to keep Planet Terra as a redirect (ongoing discussion above). Please add any discussion particular to Luna here in this section. Nicole Sharp (talk) 02:12, 9 April 2018 (UTC)

Apart from the fact a not well used term Luna would get you to article on Moon, this is a guide about earth so do not need to discuss deletion of a redirect (not even an article) as it is out of scope of the project. --Traveler100 (talk) 05:12, 9 April 2018 (UTC)
As far as I know, the only folks claiming that the project is "a guide about Earth" are conflict-of-interest editors posting from IP addresses on that planet. It's actually not where we draw the line. We draw the line by treating any place which has been visited by human voyagers as valid, so Antartica, the Moon, Space might be next-to-impossible destinations but if even a dozen people walked on the Moon, it's a valid destination.
Evidently, robotic visitors to Wikivoyage may find this restrictive, as robots have visited destinations (such as Mars) that our human contributors still seem to consider to be joke destinations and otherwise outside our project scope. Nonetheless, disqualifying the Moon would be lunacy. K7L (talk) 13:49, 16 April 2018 (UTC)
While the Moon may be technically considered a valid destination, I wouldn't go so far as to call it "lunacy" to say at least that it (and Outer Space) flirts with the very outer edges of our purview. When we're talking about redirects — especially ones consisting of esoteric terms that are not likely search queries — or when we're talking about situations like the non-capitalized outer space below, where we're worried about inline internal links to something to which it's virtually never appropriate to link from another article in the first place, then it's absolutely appropriate to bring considerations of scope into play. -- AndreCarrotflower (talk) 14:43, 16 April 2018 (UTC)
I'm sure that K7L was making a joke about the etymology of "lunacy". I think this page should remain deleted as an extremely unlikely search term. Ground Zero (talk) 14:56, 16 April 2018 (UTC)
Heh, that one slipped by me. :) -- AndreCarrotflower (talk) 15:05, 16 April 2018 (UTC)

outer space[edit]

This redirect was deleted by @Traveler100: without any discussion, so I am listing it here, with a copy below of the discussion from user talk:Traveler100#Deleting all those redirects. Notably, the default redirect for this is spelled incorrectly as "Outer Space." Nicole Sharp (talk) 02:12, 9 April 2018 (UTC)

  • I see that you've recently been deleting redirects created by User:Nicole Sharp. May I ask why? Do they do harm? Is there a policy change I hadn't heard of? If I remember back to my efforts to get certain redirects (e.g. KLM) deleted I mostly bit on granite then... Hobbitschuster (talk) 23:59, 8 April 2018 (UTC)
  • I guess we should be discussing this at WV:Votes for undeletion? In any case, "Outer space" is a totally normal redirect for "Space", and I don't understand the speedy deletion. I would support restoring this redirect. Ikan Kekek (talk) 02:25, 9 April 2018 (UTC)
I see. No big deal then. Ikan Kekek (talk) 02:28, 9 April 2018 (UTC)
Though it presumably wasn't doing harm and probably therefore shouldn't have been deleted. Ikan Kekek (talk) 02:56, 9 April 2018 (UTC)
  • Delete. Out of scope and redundant. --Inas (talk) 01:28, 10 April 2018 (UTC)
    • If that is your opinion, then you need to nominate Outer Space as well for deletion. The lowercase form is the more correct spelling (astronauts go into outer space, not Outer Space). Nicole Sharp (talk) 19:03, 12 April 2018 (UTC)
  • Nicole Sharp, please familiarize yourself with this site's orthographical conventions. Page titles are always capitalized, regardless of the grammatical correctness of placing such a capitalized name in inline text. If you really want to nitpick about the capitalization, in inline text it's easy enough to type out "astronauts visit [[Outer Space|outer space]]", anyway. And that's assuming that it's appropriate to be linking to Space at all, which in virtually all cases it would not be. -- AndreCarrotflower (talk) 22:45, 12 April 2018 (UTC)
So we need Outer space and Outer Space, but not outer space, which will redirect to Outer space and then to Space]]. We don't need space either. Correct? Ground Zero (talk) 15:19, 16 April 2018 (UTC)
Outer space and outer space are the same title; creating one is the same as creating the other. If you hover over the links, you'll find that they take you to the same URL. —Granger (talk · contribs) 15:23, 16 April 2018 (UTC)
We don't need anything except Space. Outer Space is a harmless redirect (if not a particularly essential one, given, again, the limited frequency with which a travel guide for Earthlings ought to be referencing space) because it comports with our site's convention on how to capitalize article titles (which, importantly, is different from how the MediaWiki software handles case-sensitivity) - namely, in all cases except itineraries, travel topics and phrasebooks, all words are supposed to be capitalized. Anything beyond that - outer space or Outer space - is unnecessary overkill. -- AndreCarrotflower (talk) 15:44, 16 April 2018 (UTC)
So if a reader types "Outer space" in the search box, instead of getting a redirect, they will be invited to create an article. I'd rather that the be redirected to Space. Can you provide a link to the site policy on capitalizing in article titles? Thanks. Ground Zero (talk) 16:02, 16 April 2018 (UTC)
It's not a written policy to my knowledge, but the consistency across articles is too consistent for it not to be intentional. -- AndreCarrotflower (talk) 16:37, 16 April 2018 (UTC)
(edit conflict) Actually, the search box isn't case sensitive, so the Outer Space redirect is adequate for searching. Still, Outer space is equally harmless and more useful for linking. I think it shouldn't have been deleted. (As for the capitalization policy, that's here: Wikivoyage:Naming conventions#Capitalization.) —Granger (talk · contribs) 16:40, 16 April 2018 (UTC)
I stand corrected. Let's just stick with one then. Outer Space is already there, so leave the others deleted. There is no point in debating the capitalization of a redirect to a joke article, no less. Ground Zero (talk) 17:33, 16 April 2018 (UTC)
It's arguably more useful for linking, sure, but we shouldn't be linking. Let's face it: Space is basically a joke article that managed to loophole its way into the parameters of our scope because there's a nonzero number of people with too much money for their own good who paid their way onto ISS-bound rockets. Space is never going to be a valid "Go next" destination, for example; there aren't any regularly scheduled Earth-bound transportation options to put into "Get in"; the utility of linking to the article inline from casual mentions of space in other articles is questionable due to the infinitesimal number of our readers who will ever have the wherewithal to go there. Given that, what is the point of having any redirects at all? And if we are going to have redirects, what about that written policy requiring all words in a place name to be capitalized in article titles? Isn't "Outer Space" a place? -- AndreCarrotflower (talk) 17:27, 16 April 2018 (UTC)
I strongly disagree with the notion that Outer Space is never going to be a valid "Go next" destination. We're probably at a comparable time relative to space travel that we were relative to airplane travel over 100 years ago. But that's a tangent, isn't it? Ikan Kekek (talk) 18:52, 16 April 2018 (UTC)
Furthermore, everyone seems to be viewing space travel as an aeronautical issue, and dismissing pharmaceutical approaches to the issue. Ground Zero (talk) 19:19, 16 April 2018 (UTC)
But that would be inner space... Ikan Kekek (talk) 19:30, 16 April 2018 (UTC)

KLM[edit]

Can we please delete this redirect if we're at it? Hobbitschuster (talk) 21:21, 9 April 2018 (UTC)

Template:Rail-interchange[edit]

As many would be aware of, I've been developing a new version of RINT using {{Routebox entry}}. I can, however, now that the new version has been completed, not overwrite the current version of RINT. Before the new RINT can be used, we will need to remove the current version. I am not sure if this does require a VfD, but it's better to make one, rather than not.
-- Wauteurz (talk) 16:02, 17 April 2018 (UTC)

Please do the removal of {{Rail-interchange}} and moving of {{Rail-interchange/sandbox}} in short succession, to not break stuff for too long... Perhaps @Ikan Kekek: could do it? :) Thanks! Andree.sk (talk) 16:11, 17 April 2018 (UTC)
Any admin can do it. This request doesn't require a Vfd at all. So you want {{Rail-interchange/sandbox}} to be moved to {{Rail-interchange}}, with the target template deleted? Ikan Kekek (talk) 16:56, 17 April 2018 (UTC)
@Ikan Kekek: Yes, {{Rail-interchange/sandbox}} should replace {{Rail-interchange}}, with the latter being deleted altogether. I'm pretty sure I'll be able to move the documentation myself.
-- Wauteurz (talk) 17:55, 17 April 2018 (UTC)
Done. Ikan Kekek (talk) 18:09, 17 April 2018 (UTC)