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Votes for Deletion

This page lists articles, files and templates that are nominated for deletion. Any Wikivoyager can make a nomination or comment on any nomination. Nominations or comments should follow a rationale based on our current policy.

If our deletion policy leads towards a merge or redirect, then coordinate this on the discussion page of the article.

The purpose of this page is limited to the interpretation and application of our deletion policy. You can discuss what our deletion policies should be on the deletion policy discussion page.

Nominating[edit]

  1. For the article, file or template being proposed for deletion, add a {{vfd}} tag so that people viewing it will know that it is proposed for deletion. The {{vfd}} tag must be the very first thing, right at the very top, before everything else.
  2. Add a link to the article, file or template at the end of the list below, along with the reason why it is being listed for deletion. Sign your recommendation using four tildes ("~~~~"). List one article, file or template per entry.
  3. If you're nominating a file for deletion, make sure it's actually located on the English Wikivoyage and not on Wikimedia Commons.

The basic format for a deletion nomination is:

===[[Chicken]]===
* Not a valid travel article topic. ~~~~

Commenting[edit]

All Wikivoyagers are invited to comment on articles, files or templates listed for deletion. The format for comments is:

===[[Chicken]]===
* '''Delete'''.  Not a valid travel article topic. TravelNut 25:25, 31 Feb 2525 (EDT)
* '''Keep'''.  There is a town in [[Alaska]] called Chicken. ~~~~

When leaving comments you may elect to delete, keep, or redirect the article. If you recommend redirection, you may suggest where it should be redirected to. Any attempt to merge content from an article to some other destination must retain the edit history to comply with the attribution (CC BY-SA) requirements of the free license, so it may be possible to merge and redirect but not to merge and delete. Sign your comment using four tildes ("~~~~").

Deleting, or not[edit]

All nominated articles, files or templates are guilty unless proven innocent. If, after fourteen days of discussion, the consensus is to keep, redirect or merge, then any Wikivoyager should do it. If you are redirecting, please remember to check for broken redirects or double redirects as a result of your move. Remove any VFD notices from that page, and archive the deletion discussion as described in the next section.

If no consensus has emerged to keep the article, file or template, an administrator can delete it. Check if any article links to the article, file or template in question. After removing those links, delete the article, file or template. However, if the file is being deleted because it has been moved to Wikimedia Commons with the same name, do not remove links to the local file, as the links will be automatically be pointed to the file on Commons.

When deleting a template, consider first replacing it wherever it's been transcluded, especially if it served a formatting function. You can do this by adding "subst:" before the template name. Once that's done, you can delete the template without affecting individual uses of it.

Archiving[edit]

After you keep/redirect/merge/delete the article, file or template, move the deletion discussion to the Archives page for the appropriate month. The root Archives page has a directory. Note that it's the month in which the action was taken, rather than when the nomination was first posted, that should be used for the archived discussion; that way, recourse to the deletion log can lead subsequent readers right to the discussion (at least for the pages that were deleted).

When archiving, always make it clear to other editors what the outcome of the discussion was. This can be done by adding the result to the discussion in a separate edit from the one in which you remove the discussion from this page; or you can describe the outcome in the edit summary when you remove the discussion.

If the nominated article, file or template was not deleted, then place another (identical duplicate) copy of the deletion discussion on the discussion page of the article, file or template being kept or redirected.

See also:

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June 2018[edit]

Salsa dancing in Latin America[edit]

I like Latin-American music and it would be nice to have Latin music itineraries on Wikivoyage, but this existing itinerary needs to be deleted for these reasons: first, the information in this article is quite likely out of date; the article says so. Even though there have been changes to the article over the last few years, these edits have not been major expansions or important changes. In fact, the only major edits (500+ bytes in change) after 2011 were vandal-related. Second, salsa dancing is an extremely wide topic that is not really practical or possible to cover in one article. And third, you can dance at home or at a lot of Latin American restaurants and bars, so why would you need to go to a salsa dancing club as a tourist anyway? And this article currently has only a few listings in each country and even these are not formatted properly. Fourth, it makes more sense for dancing club listings to go in their city articles than for a few of them to be put onto one page Keep. Selfie City (talk) 23:20, 6 June 2018 (UTC)

  • Keep. Valid topic, and the article contains useful information for someone planning a trip where they want to go salsa dancing. If it's out of date, that problem can be solved by updating it, not deleting it. Like with golfing in Thailand, just because you're not interested in salsa dancing clubs doesn't mean that it shouldn't be covered on Wikivoyage. —Granger (talk · contribs) 23:39, 6 June 2018 (UTC)
  • Keep many tourists go to Latin America with a specific interest to go to salsa dancing clubs. The lack of editing activity is unfortunate but never a reason for deletion. Maybe Latin America (1.5 continents) is a bit broad and salsa dancing by country articles would be better but the guide isn't long enough to split it into countries yet. Gizza (roam) 23:53, 6 June 2018 (UTC)
  • Keep - we have a lot of articles with obsolete information. We just have to keep building the project to attract more editors do that articles are updated more frequently. In editing Southeastern_Kansas, I was updating or removing information on festivals from 2006. I don't think we would delete Southeastern_Kansas for that. Ground Zero (talk) 00:00, 7 June 2018 (UTC)
  • Comment: Here's the thing, though: this couldn't really be expanded to what it needs to be. What if we had a travel topic that listed restaurants? How long would it be? Selfie City (talk) 00:53, 7 June 2018 (UTC)
  • You may be right. Should we instead suggest cities or regions that are best for salsa dancing, or are there particularly famous clubs that we should favor with a mention? Ikan Kekek (talk) 01:55, 7 June 2018 (UTC)
Perhaps both Salsa dancing and Gestures could be restructured and reformatted so they would be more useful, but that would take a lot of work. Perhaps we should do more descriptions on this article instead of listings, but it still seems that this article's general topic is incompatible with Wikivoyage's goals and possibilities considering the number of active editors we have. Selfie City (talk) 14:02, 7 June 2018 (UTC)
Why? If the problem is that there are way too many nightclubs that have salsa dancing, why is covering which cities or neighborhoods have the most active salsa club scene beyond the scope of Wikivoyage? By the way, are there also too many salsa dancing schools to cover some particularly good ones? Ikan Kekek (talk) 16:59, 7 June 2018 (UTC)
It's like having a travel topic about restaurants. Travel topics would normally cover the general topic - for example, a travel topic about Cuban music. Inside that would be a section about dancing. At least to me, it makes more sense to have Salsa music as the topic instead of Salsa dancing. Selfie City (talk) 18:23, 7 June 2018 (UTC)

I've added some background from the Wikipedia article, and updated some of the listings to demonstrate what this article can be with a little effort. Ground Zero (talk) 18:54, 7 June 2018 (UTC)

────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────Well, that definitely looks better, but it's still not nearly enough information. Selfie City (talk) 19:06, 7 June 2018 (UTC)

Is "not enough information to be a good article" a topic for Vfd? No. This board is solely about deleting articles, not the fact that they should have more information. I think you should concede the point that there should be a discussion on the article's talk page about the direction of the article and steps that should be taken to develop it, and not a Vfd nomination. Ikan Kekek (talk) 20:24, 7 June 2018 (UTC)
We could definitely discuss this on the article's talk page - that is, if the article really can be developed. Selfie City (talk) 20:46, 7 June 2018 (UTC)
The article is no longer out of date. It has been expanded with more description of salsa and its regional variations. It's not the same article that was nominated. If anyone wants to make more improprieties, please go ahead. Ground Zero (talk) 02:59, 8 June 2018 (UTC)
Ground Zero: thanks for the work you've done on improving this. If there were perhaps a couple pictures to color the page a little, I'd definitely say this should be a speedy keep because it's going from being a poor article to a good one. Selfie City (talk) 14:31, 9 June 2018 (UTC)
Then it's a speedy keep now, because the lack of thumbnails on a page is never a reason for an article to be deleted. Ikan Kekek (talk) 15:35, 9 June 2018 (UTC)
Problem solved, I've added a thumbnail. Selfie City (talk) 16:03, 9 June 2018 (UTC)
  • "What if we had a travel topic that listed restaurants? How long would it be?" We have thousands of travel topics that list restaurants - they're called City pages. Restaurants are listed under "Eat". Thus, I don't see what your point is here. --Robkelk (talk) 15:35, 17 June 2018 (UTC)
  • Keep - per others. --Robkelk (talk) 15:35, 17 June 2018 (UTC)
  • Keep I think there could be a better way of denoting the various ways to enjoy salsa (places to watch great salsa dancers/shows vs special events vs tourist-oriented venues for trying/learning salsa), but these are all travel-oriented. Hopefully, at least some of the listings are also being added to the city articles if they're not already there. ChubbyWimbus (talk) 12:52, 18 June 2018 (UTC)
  • Keep — article topic is relevant for travelers, and a basic outline is already in place. It only needs further expansion. ArticCynda (talk) 09:58, 19 June 2018 (UTC)