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Votes for Deletion

This page lists articles, files and templates that are nominated for deletion. Any Wikivoyager can make a nomination or comment on any nomination. Nominations or comments should follow a rationale based on our deletion policy.

If our deletion policy leads towards a merge or redirect, then coordinate this on the discussion page of the article.

The purpose of this page is limited to the interpretation and application of our deletion policy. You can discuss what our deletion policies should be on the deletion policy discussion page.

Nominating[edit]

Add a {{vfd}} tag to the top of the article, file or template being proposed for deletion, so that people viewing it will be aware. Place the tag at the very top, before everything else, except the page banner.

Add a link to the article, file or template at the end of the list below, along with the reason why it is being listed for deletion. Sign your recommendation using four tildes ("~~~~").

If you're nominating a file for deletion, make sure it's actually located on the English Wikivoyage and not on Wikimedia Commons.

The basic format for a deletion nomination is:

===[[Chicken]]===
Not a valid travel article topic. ~~~~

Commenting[edit]

All Wikivoyagers are invited to comment on articles, files or templates listed for deletion. The format for comments is:

===[[Chicken]]===
* '''Delete'''. Not a valid travel article topic. TravelNut 25:25, 31 Feb 2525 (UTC)
* '''Keep'''. There is a town in [[Alaska]] called Chicken. ~~~~

When leaving comments you may elect to delete, keep, or redirect the article. If you recommend redirection, you may suggest where it should be redirected to. Any attempt to merge content from an article to some other destination must retain the edit history to comply with the attribution (CC BY-SA) requirements of the free license, so it may be possible to merge and redirect but not to merge and delete. Sign your comment using four tildes ("~~~~").

Deleting, or not[edit]

  • If, after 14 days of discussion, the consensus is to delete, an administrator may delete it.
  • If, after 14 days of discussion, the consensus is to redirect or merge, any Wikivoyager may do it. If you make a redirect, please check for any resulting broken redirects or double redirects.
  • If, after 14 days of discussion, the consensus is to keep, any Wikivoyager may remove any VFD notices from that page, and archive the deletion discussion.
  • If there is no consensus after 14 days, allow a further 7 days for discussion.
    • If, after the additional 7 days, there is no consensus, the page should be kept – any Wikivoyager may remove any VFD notices from that page, and archive the deletion discussion.
    • If, after the additional 7 days, there is a consensus, implement it in line with the first three points above.
  • When deleting a template, consider first replacing it wherever it's been transcluded, especially if it served a formatting function. You can do this by adding "subst:" before the template name. Once that's done, you can delete the template without affecting individual uses of it.
  • When deleting an article, check "What links here". Either remove the newly-broken links from the articles or point them somewhere else. Inbound redirects to a deleted page should either be deleted or redirected elsewhere.

Archiving[edit]

After you keep/redirect/merge/delete the article, file or template, move the deletion discussion to the Archives page for the appropriate month. The root Archives page has a directory. Note that it's the month in which the action was taken, rather than when the nomination was first posted, that should be used for the archived discussion; that way, recourse to the deletion log can lead subsequent readers right to the discussion (at least for the pages that were deleted).

When archiving, always make it clear to other editors what the outcome of the discussion was. This can be done by adding the result to the discussion in a separate edit from the one in which you remove the discussion from this page; or you can describe the outcome in the edit summary when you remove the discussion.

If the nominated article, file or template was not deleted, then place another (identical duplicate) copy of the deletion discussion on the discussion page of the article, file or template being kept or redirected.

See also:

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July 2021[edit]

German East Africa[edit]

This was nominated for VFD and kept three years ago, but since then a discussion at Talk:Tibetan Empire has somewhat altered precedent. Tibetan Empire and German East Africa were both extraregion articles for regions that currently don't exist.

Consensus is leaning toward re-designating Tibetan Empire as a travel topic, but there's not consensus to make a similar change to German East Africa. However, there is sentiment that calling it an extraregion is not appropriate as there is no current "German East Africa." Therefore per wiaa, this is not a travel article as all the information contained is encyclopedic. --Comment by Selfie City (talk | contributions) 14:36, 9 July 2021 (UTC)

  • Wow, there really is zero travel content on that page. Either delete, or strip back to a very basic soft redirect, with about the same information as a disambiguation page, pointing to Rwanda, Burundi, and Tanganyika. --ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 14:42, 9 July 2021 (UTC)
  • Delete per nomination. We should avoid trying to be Wikihistory. Ground Zero (talk) 15:18, 9 July 2021 (UTC)
  • Comment: I think we should perhaps rename this article to German Empire, and expand the scope to include the other German colonies such as Namibia, Samoa, Qingdao, Cameroon and so on. If we do that, then there will for sure be enough travel content to justify an article. I know there is still a German-speaking community in Namibia, and there are surviving German colonial towns you can visit. And in the case of Qingdao, it is still known for its beer, which is a legacy of German colonial rule, and also has many German colonial buildings that have been preserved. Also, such an article will allow us to cover former German territories in Europe such as Kaliningrad, Gdańsk and Strasbourg, which are now part of Russia, Poland and France respectively, but still have visible German heritage that you can explore. The dog2 (talk) 20:20, 9 July 2021 (UTC)
I don't mind that idea, but if we do that, we need to make sure first we have contributors willing to write travel content for the article (local experts?) because one problem with some of our travel topics is that none of the Wikivoyage contributors have visited the location(s) of the travel topic. --Comment by Selfie City (talk | contributions) 20:51, 9 July 2021 (UTC)
If this is going to be another exercise in writing history without sources, I would say it is a waste of time. Wikipedia has better articles than we could write. Let's delete this article, and if someone wants to write about points of interest associated with the German Empire that travellers can visit, that could be the basis for a new article, with a concise explanation of the context, of course.
However, as our coverage of places like continental Tanzania, Namibia, Togo and Papua New Guinea is woefully inadequate, travellers would benefit more from an expansion of travel information about this places than they would from an article on the defunct German Empire. I would hope that someone with an interest in these places could contribute to our articles about the modern-day countries. Those who want to write about history would really be better off contributing to Wikipedia (with citations) where the history is better covered than we can here. Ground Zero (talk) 21:12, 9 July 2021 (UTC)
Unfortunately, I haven't been to either of those places. But I can write a bit about Qingdao based on what I've seen in Chinese travel shows. For instance, travellers may want to go there to experience the unique beer culture, where they sell you Tsingtao beer to drink out of plastic bags. Of course, drinking beer out of plastic bags is not a German tradition, but the fact that the Tsingtao brewery is based in the city and is so well-known is a legacy of German colonial rule. If you look at our Namibia article, it does list some towns known for their surviving German colonial architecture. And for those European cities I mentioned, Strasbourg for instance has many German buildings in its old town that you can go and have a look, built during the period before World War I when it was part of Germany. I think there is the potential for an article like the ones we have for the Russian Empire or the Austro-Hungarian Empire. The dog2 (talk) 21:12, 9 July 2021 (UTC)
Neither of those articles is a good example. They list countries, regions and cities, but no museums, monuments, or important buildings that played a role in the history of the empires. Wikivoyage is better as a travel guide than as a history blog, IMO. Ground Zero (talk) 21:16, 9 July 2021 (UTC)
Any "German Empire" article would cover the home country more than any colonies. That might be fine, though. We could consider whether to call it "Prusso-German Empire" or something, if we want to include pre-unification content. I see there's no "Prussian Empire" article, and there are a lot of sights that would be worth including in such an article. Ikan Kekek (talk) 22:40, 9 July 2021 (UTC)
Keep. There's not much travel content, but it is non-zero; the article was created to provide context for MV Liemba & there is a link to that.
To me it seems obvious it should be kept as an extraregion. That was the consensus at Wikivoyage:Votes_for_deletion/September_2018#German_East_Africa & nothing has changed that should alter it. It is quite clearly a region & equally clearly does not fit into our hierarchy. SelfieCity's claim that calling it an extraregion is not appropriate as there is no current "German East Africa" strikes me as arbitrary & dumb.
However, as I wrote in the Tibetan Empire discussion "On the other hand, the Roman, Persian, Chinese, Mongol & Mughal empires all have travel topic articles." OK, we could make this a topic.
A German Empire article would be a good idea if someone wants to write it; this could be merged & redirected there. Pashley (talk) 22:43, 9 July 2021 (UTC)
@Pashley: I think you should think about whether you really need to call user:SelfieCity's claim "dumb". Let's discuss this without name-calling. I agree that extraregions in this travel guide should be current extraregions, not historical ones because this is not Wikihistory. It is not a dumb idea, or even an arbitrary one, just because you don't agree with it. Ground Zero (talk) 06:48, 18 July 2021 (UTC)
@Ground Zero:, I feel stupid here for not knowing what this means, but what does "because this US not Wikihistory" mean? SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 07:07, 18 July 2021 (UTC)
Typo corrected. Ground Zero (talk) 12:06, 18 July 2021 (UTC)
I wrote that the idea "strikes me as arbitrary & dumb", which of course implies the possibility that it will not strike others that way. To me, that seems like fair debate; I could have said "is" rather than "strikes me as", or used stronger terms than "arbitrary & dumb", but chose not to. I do not think that is name-calling.
As for your "It is not a dumb idea, or even an arbitrary one, just because you don't agree with it.", you have it exactly backwards. The fact that it seems d & a to me is the reason I do not agree with it, not a consequence of disagreement. Pashley (talk) 07:26, 18 July 2021 (UTC)
I think it is completely unnecessary. In any argument you can argue for your position without belittling the positions of others. The only argument that you have advanced for keeping it as an extraregion is that there was a discussion three years ago. As no-one calls the area "German East Africa" anymore, and as those countries have fought for their independence from subsequent colonial masters, I don't think it is an appropriate descriptor for the region today. Ground Zero (talk) 12:06, 18 July 2021 (UTC)

It seems like everyone is going for a delete except Pashley here. Anyone else got something to say? SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 00:52, 24 July 2021 (UTC)

For the record, Wikivoyage:Deletion_policy says:

Simply asserting that a page does not fit within our goals is not sufficient for a deletion rationale, which needs to reference specific policy.

No rationale meeting this criterion has been given; as far as I can tell, no attempt at that has even been made. To me, it therefore seems obvious this is a speedy keep; the nomination is nonsense, barely worth discussing & certainly not worth acting on.

I realise that I'm losing this argument, so I've copied the page to my user space. Pashley (talk) 02:14, 24 July 2021 (UTC)

I think that if you can add information about the locations of WWI battlefields and some other things (German colonial buildings? plaques memorializing something that happened during that period?), you may be able to move the article back into article space as a travel topic. I'm glad you will keep it in your userspace, rather than seeing it be deleted. Ikan Kekek (talk) 03:16, 24 July 2021 (UTC)
@Ground Zero: time to delete? SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 05:26, 25 July 2021 (UTC)

File:Telephone bill scam.jpg[edit]

I don't see how this has anything to do with a travel guide... SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 07:49, 25 July 2021 (UTC)

Also, no pages link to it, so there's no point in keeping it here. I guess it could be moved to Commons? -- Ikan Kekek (talk) 09:41, 25 July 2021 (UTC)
I remember a discussion about telephone bill scams. I think it was uploaded as part of that discussion. I suppose the bill was from a hotel, so highly travel related. I suppose the bill doesn't meet the threshold of originality, so copyright-wise it should be unproblematic. A good description is needed if it is moved to Commons, for it not to be deleted as not in scope. –LPfi (talk) 09:53, 25 July 2021 (UTC)
(And a good description would be needed here also, as seen by the vfd nomination.) –LPfi (talk) 09:55, 25 July 2021 (UTC)