Wikivoyage:Votes for undeletion

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Welcome to Votes for undeletion Shortcut: Vfu It may occur from time to time that we delete an article by mistake — that is, that the article doesn't actually meet the standards for deleting articles listed on the VFD page. In this case, a Wikivoyager should link to the page on this page, with an explanation of why the deletion wasn't in accordance with our deletion policy. Articles and images are still considered guilty until proven innocent. After fourteen (14) days of discussion, if a nomination is uncontested or a consensus arises that the page was deleted unnecessarily, then an administrator should reinstate the page. Otherwise, the page will stay deleted. Please list new pages below.

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Dilli

I created this redirect more than a year ago and Ikan Kekek deleted this page as it can be a misspelling of Dili. Therefore, I would like to restore this redirect so that I can convert it into a disambiguation page. Sbb1413 (he) (talk • contribs) 11:46, 22 September 2022 (UTC)

Which articles need disambiguating? --ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 11:53, 22 September 2022 (UTC)

Delhi, a city in India and Dili, a city in Timor-Leste. Sbb1413 (he) (talk • contribs) 11:55, 22 September 2022 (UTC)

Ok, seems reasonable. Support.--ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 12:00, 22 September 2022 (UTC)

• (edit conflict) Speedily undelete with a redirect to Delhi. Redirects don't simply get speedily deleted because they may appear to be confusing (remember that redirects are cheap), and misspellings can be handled in hatnotes. In this specific case, I've rarely seen Timor-Leste's capital misspelled because the "l" is not stressed, so either way, it should redirect to Delhi with a hatnote for Dili. As for why this should be speedily undeleted, it was never formally deleted (and "misleading/confusing redirects" is not in the CSD), nor were anyone else's opinions solicited. --SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta) 11:58, 22 September 2022 (UTC)

In a previous wikilife, Sbb1413 had a tendency to create excessive numbers of redirects. Very pleased to note this is no longer an issue, but I think the deletion rationale was sound, see Talk:Dilli. I'll let someone who knows better comment on how likely Dili is to be misspelt "Dilli".--ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 12:21, 22 September 2022 (UTC)

I'd like to read an explanation of why this disambiguation is needed. Sbb1413? Ikan Kekek (talk) 23:39, 22 September 2022 (UTC)

You had already said back in March 2022, "I feel like this is more likely to be a misspelling of Dili. Is this page really essential? [Sbb1413], please comment." This is why I nowadays prefer disambiguation over redirect. Sbb1413 (he) (talk • contribs) 05:06, 23 September 2022 (UTC)

That doesn't explain why it's necessary. Ikan Kekek (talk) 05:27, 23 September 2022 (UTC)

Dilli is apparently a local spelling for Delhi, so if Dilli is also a likely misspelling of Dili, then we have a search term that refers to two possible articles.--ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 06:03, 23 September 2022 (UTC)

OK, go ahead and undelete if you like. Ikan Kekek (talk) 06:48, 23 September 2022 (UTC)

Those who don't find Dilli will either correct the spelling to Dili or search for Delhi instead, wouldn't they? Is it common not to know those names? –LPfi (talk) 07:35, 10 October 2022 (UTC)

This doesn't seem to have ever been resolved, but a consensus was developing for a disambiguation for Dilli. Should we resume discussion? Ikan Kekek (talk) 17:55, 5 February 2023 (UTC)

Visayan languages

This was redirected to Visayas#Talk after a vfd discussion at Wikivoyage:Votes_for_deletion/June_2022#Visayan_languages, despite there being over a dozen links to the page.

The redirect does not really work since these languages are widely spoken outside the Visayas; see w:Bisayan_languages. Most of Mindanao, parts of Palawan & Luzon, Romblon, the Sulu Islands, even a bit of Borneo. Pashley (talk) 16:43, 2 February 2023 (UTC)

• Oppose: this was a Wikipedia-style article about a family of languages, but without references to reliable sources. As a travel guide, Wikivoyage aims to have phrasebooks, not articles generally describing languages. There was not a single word in a Visayan language in the article. If the redirect doesn't work, you could propose a different redirect. Restoring an article that is not within the scope of Wikivoyage is a worse solution than the current redirect. Ground Zero (talk) 17:33, 2 February 2023 (UTC)
• Question: Do we have any similar articles for other families of languages? I would agree that those seem appropriate for Wikipedia, not Wikivoyage. Ikan Kekek (talk) 19:49, 2 February 2023 (UTC)
• Oppose per Ground Zero. --SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta) 20:01, 2 February 2023 (UTC)
• Comment: An article like this could be needed if there is confusion among travellers about what phrasebooks or dictionaries to bring, and region articles get long similar sections on the languages. I checked but some links, so I cannot tell, but at least soem could have been unlinked or had been better served by a link to Wikipedia (which is against policy, but no reason to copy Wikipedia articles to here). An analysis on what the links might want from the target could help. –LPfi (talk) 21:24, 2 February 2023 (UTC)
• There could be confusion since Cebuano is fairly often called "Bisaya" by Filipinos. In fact, there was confusion here; at one point we had phrasebooks for both Cebuano & Bisaya. For the history leading from there to the creation of this article, see Talk:Visayan languages. Pashley (talk) 20:25, 25 March 2023 (UTC)