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Votes for Deletion

This page lists articles, files and templates that are nominated for deletion. Any Wikivoyager can make a nomination or comment on any nomination. Nominations or comments should follow a rationale based on our deletion policy.

If our deletion policy leads towards a merge or redirect, then coordinate this on the discussion page of the article.

The purpose of this page is limited to the interpretation and application of our deletion policy. You can discuss what our deletion policies should be on the deletion policy discussion page.

Nominating[edit]

Add a {{vfd}} tag to the top of the article, file or template being proposed for deletion, so that people viewing it will be aware. Place the tag at the very top, before everything else.

Add a link to the article, file or template at the end of the list below, along with the reason why it is being listed for deletion. Sign your recommendation using four tildes ("~~~~"). List one article, file or template per entry.

If you're nominating a file for deletion, make sure it's actually located on the English Wikivoyage and not on Wikimedia Commons.

The basic format for a deletion nomination is:

===[[Chicken]]===
Not a valid travel article topic. ~~~~

Commenting[edit]

All Wikivoyagers are invited to comment on articles, files or templates listed for deletion. The format for comments is:

===[[Chicken]]===
* '''Delete'''. Not a valid travel article topic. TravelNut 25:25, 31 Feb 2525 (EDT)
* '''Keep'''. There is a town in [[Alaska]] called Chicken. ~~~~

When leaving comments you may elect to delete, keep, or redirect the article. If you recommend redirection, you may suggest where it should be redirected to. Any attempt to merge content from an article to some other destination must retain the edit history to comply with the attribution (CC BY-SA) requirements of the free license, so it may be possible to merge and redirect but not to merge and delete. Sign your comment using four tildes ("~~~~").

Deleting, or not[edit]

  • If, after 14 days of discussion, the consensus is to delete, an administrator may delete it.
  • If, after 14 days of discussion, the consensus is to redirect or merge, any Wikivoyager may do it. If you make a redirect, please check for any resulting broken redirects or double redirects.
  • If, after 14 days of discussion, the consensus is to keep, any Wikivoyager may remove any VFD notices from that page, and archive the deletion discussion.
  • If there is no consensus after 14 days, allow a further 7 days for discussion.
    • If, after the additional 7 days, there is no consensus, the page should be kept – any Wikivoyager may remove any VFD notices from that page, and archive the deletion discussion.
    • If, after the additional 7 days, there is a consensus, implement it in line with the first three points above.
  • When deleting a template, consider first replacing it wherever it's been transcluded, especially if it served a formatting function. You can do this by adding "subst:" before the template name. Once that's done, you can delete the template without affecting individual uses of it.
  • When deleting an article, check "What links here". Either remove the newly-broken links from the articles or point them somewhere else. Inbound redirects to a deleted page should either be deleted or redirected elsewhere.

Archiving[edit]

After you keep/redirect/merge/delete the article, file or template, move the deletion discussion to the Archives page for the appropriate month. The root Archives page has a directory. Note that it's the month in which the action was taken, rather than when the nomination was first posted, that should be used for the archived discussion; that way, recourse to the deletion log can lead subsequent readers right to the discussion (at least for the pages that were deleted).

When archiving, always make it clear to other editors what the outcome of the discussion was. This can be done by adding the result to the discussion in a separate edit from the one in which you remove the discussion from this page; or you can describe the outcome in the edit summary when you remove the discussion.

If the nominated article, file or template was not deleted, then place another (identical duplicate) copy of the deletion discussion on the discussion page of the article, file or template being kept or redirected.

See also:

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February 2019[edit]

Template:Vagueregions and associated Category:Regions with vague subregions[edit]

Another template that has perhaps never been used. It was created in 2014 and it still has the "This new template should be discussed on its talk page to explain its purpose..." text at the top. Therefore, I vote to delete this template. --Comment by Selfie City (talk | contributions) 15:08, 8 February 2019 (UTC)

Delete: I think this was used by a few contributors a few years ago to mark articles that needed cleaning up. Assume we addressed them all. Can in future use {{Regions discussion}}. --Traveler100 (talk) 17:04, 8 February 2019 (UTC)
Delete per Traveler100 and our 'minimal use of templates' convention.--ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 17:47, 8 February 2019 (UTC)

Climate and geography[edit]

I've pointed out some specific problems with this article on the talk page. I think they're probably solvable, but I'm not sure how to deal with them because the larger problem is that, aside from the brief "Prepare" and "Get around" subsections, this isn't a travel article. I asked on the talk page and didn't get a clear answer as to how this article is supposed to serve travellers or how we can rework it to serve travellers. If someone has an idea for how it can be turned into a travel article that isn't redundant with our other existing articles (such as Biomes and ecosystems), that would be good. Otherwise, I think the best solution is deletion. —Granger (talk · contribs) 03:32, 16 February 2019 (UTC)

  • Merge as appropriate and redirect to Biomes and ecosystems. That seems like the best solution to me, as the target article is much better, a useful travel reference article with specific travel-relevant information and links to longer articles. Ikan Kekek (talk) 05:25, 16 February 2019 (UTC)
    That works for me. —Granger (talk · contribs) 11:19, 16 February 2019 (UTC)
  • Merge and redirect would be best.--ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 11:41, 16 February 2019 (UTC)
  • As the creator of Biomes and ecosystems, I'm fine with a merge and redirect. --Comment by Selfie City (talk | contributions) 15:37, 16 February 2019 (UTC)
  • Delete outright, merge acceptable. I'm personally unconvinced of the utility of Biomes and ecosystems, but then I've made my thoughts clear on global-scope travel topics - as it happens, on the talk page of the nominated article. ARR8 (talk | contribs) 22:22, 16 February 2019 (UTC)
However, if we deleted all our global-scope travel topics, as you propose to do, we would at least cut our number of travel topics in half, hours of work would go to waste, and plenty of interesting, relevant information would be lost. Deleting all the global-scope travel topics would require months of discussion about which travel topics fall into the "global-scope" category and which do not; therefore, I think it is pointless to go through and delete every single one of them, which would not do Wikivoyage any good, IMO. I am perfectly fine with the proposal to merge and redirect this article, but outright deleting this travel topic and/or a great number of other travel topics of the same nature, like Musicals, Seinfeld Tour, etc., seems like trying to fight against the incoming tide. --Comment by Selfie City (talk | contributions) 23:12, 16 February 2019 (UTC)
I'm not proposing that. ARR8 (talk | contribs) 23:26, 16 February 2019 (UTC)
Then why delete this article, rather than merge and save the content? Unless you think the text would not merge well, which I understand. As I see it, opposing global-scope travel topics is a short step from saying they should be deleted. --Comment by Selfie City (talk | contributions) 23:39, 16 February 2019 (UTC)
To clarify, I'm not looking to impose my opinion on the whole community. I think it's good that we're of different minds on various questions. Hopefully, in discussing these things, we can come to a compromise that will benefit the site more than an extreme in either direction. There's good incremental progress to be made just by disagreeing, and I think my stance on this issue has made us more aware of article content that isn't directly pertinent to travel and has resulted in some improvements being made.
On this specific object-level issue, I'm not sure the merge target is all too useful to travelers by the same criteria I brought up on the talk page of the VFD article. Hopefully, I'm consistent in my reasoning. ARR8 (talk | contribs) 23:47, 16 February 2019 (UTC)
Yes, and to clarify on my own part, my intention in the above is to effectively defend my point of view that such travel topics should be kept. If there were no travel topics of this sort, I would probably oppose them, but I view is that, now we have travel topics for Chess, Musicals, etc. (many of which I did not create) we might as well keep them. Sometimes, putting forward an effective argument can sound confrontational, but the intent is to clearly get across a point, which sometimes requires being a little on the blunt side, not to tear others down.
I do, however, think we should be cautious about deleting articles that took large amounts of work for someone, and, frankly, if I had recognized that several months ago, I might have had a different standpoint on many of the VFD discussions we had. I think it's important to recognize, when an article is being deleted, the time and effort that has gone into creating it. --Comment by Selfie City (talk | contributions) 01:07, 17 February 2019 (UTC)
  • I think that we could have an article on Climate, but this is far from what I think that it should be. Consider the traveller who wants to find somewhere to sit on the beach in February, with temperatures around 28C. Perhaps the Köppen climate regions map would help her if it was explained, but generally I find little information to help this traveller find countries to visit with the right climate. I don't think that adding a few basic paragraphs about geography helps - if geography is going to be part of the same article then explain how various geographical features impact the climate - e.g. how mountains influence rainfall. AlasdairW (talk) 22:56, 18 February 2019 (UTC)

Cities with rapid transit[edit]

Simply a list of cities with no information that serves the traveler and feels more like something out of Wikipedia than here. Per the article's talk page, no way suggested to make the article useful (ping @Traveler100, Mx. Granger, Ypsilon: discussion participants). Even if there were, it would be more appropriate on one of our existing articles on the subject or the relevant country pages. Suggest delete as nominator. ARR8 (talk | contribs) 03:51, 20 February 2019 (UTC)

  • Delete, with a however. Looking at this article more closely than I did when I added the lede, I agree it should be deleted. However, the paragraphs with relevant information, if they are not duplicate content, should be moved somewhere else and not simply deleted with the list of cities. --Comment by Selfie City (talk | contributions) 03:56, 20 February 2019 (UTC)
  • Also @Yvwv: who created the page. --Comment by Selfie City (talk | contributions) 03:58, 20 February 2019 (UTC)
    • The information was added to urban rail early in its development. As the article was recently moved to public transportation, the list was too bulky to fit in the travel topic. /Yvwv (talk) 04:04, 20 February 2019 (UTC)
    Good call, and thanks User:Yvwv for the background. ARR8 (talk | contribs) 04:39, 20 February 2019 (UTC)
  • My opinion is that the text can be integrated with Urban rail adventures. For complete listings, we could refer to Wikipedia or external resources. /Yvwv (talk) 04:13, 20 February 2019 (UTC)
Yes, that article could do with more content considering the number of pictures on the right side of the page. --Comment by Selfie City (talk | contributions) 05:43, 20 February 2019 (UTC)
  • If text is being moved from one article to another, this should not be deleted, as everything needs attribution and a traceable origin, per our copyleft licence. Merge and redirect.--ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 08:13, 20 February 2019 (UTC)
  • Yep. That's _any_ text. -- Ikan Kekek (talk) 08:46, 20 February 2019 (UTC)
@ThunderingTyphoons!, Ikan Kekek: This article is a sort of exception. Since all the text comes from the page history of Public transportation, we can (and should) attribute to there, so merge and delete seems to be an acceptable outcome. ARR8 (talk | contribs) 12:16, 20 February 2019 (UTC)
That would be a viable alternative, as long as User:Yvwv didn't make any changes to the wording when copying. Thank you for explaining. --ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 13:00, 20 February 2019 (UTC)
  • I agree with merging the relevant content to Urban rail adventures. But only the relevant content—some of the prose in this article wouldn't fit there. —Granger (talk · contribs) 09:27, 20 February 2019 (UTC)
  • DeleteI mostly see dates that something opened, which is such readily available knowledge that it doesn't require attribution. Is there actually anything substantial to merge? ChubbyWimbus (talk) 11:37, 20 February 2019 (UTC)
  • Delete. Only a list with information that should be on city pages. If data is merged to other article(s) no redirect should be created as title is meaningless and useless. Also information came from that article in the first place no need to preserve history. --Traveler100 (talk) 13:09, 20 February 2019 (UTC)