Wikivoyage:Destination of the month candidates/Slush pile

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The following pages were proposed on Project:Destination of the Month candidates, but the consensus was generally against them. Beneath each proposed article are the objections that need to be addressed. Once this has been done, feel free to nominate them again.

2022[edit]

Oia (Greece)[edit]

Place: Oia
Blurb: One of Santorini's most iconic towns, famous for its volcanic cliffs. (should not exceed ~145 characters)
Article status: Guide (must be guide or above).
Time to feature: Any, though July and August might be too hot
Nominated by: Yvwv (talk) 11:39, 17 November 2022 (UTC)
Comment: Greece and the Eastern Mediterranean are under-featured. While Oia has many visitors for an "off the beaten path" destination, it is so small that the article can easily give a complete description of the town.Reply[reply]

Nomination
Village of Oia on the Greek Island of Santorini.jpg
  • Needs work. Many listings are devoid of coordinates. As I mentioned in the nomination above, this article is not otbp-standard; I will make it once I get some time, though – before the slot that's taken up by Navarre (Florida). --SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta) 05:01, 18 November 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Speedy slush? I was planning to work on Oia this weekend, until I saw the edit history – large parts of the article were written by various IPs, all likely the same person as 193.86.240.59 – and 193.86.240.59 is believed to be ArticCynda block-evading (see Talk:Monolithos). @Ikan Kekek, Ground Zero, Yvwv:, a penny for your thoughts? --SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta) 12:12, 29 November 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
We were getting short on candidates, but as we got an inflow of them, Oia is not necessary to keep. /Yvwv (talk) 08:50, 30 November 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Salzburg[edit]

Place: Salzburg
Blurb: Mozart's hometown, the setting of The Sound of Music, and the gateway to the Austrian Alps. (should not exceed ~145 characters)
Article status: Guide (must be guide or above).
Time to feature: Spring or summer. Not sure whether any specific event is worth to mention.
Nominated by: Yvwv (talk) 15:58, 2 October 2022 (UTC)
Comment: We have had very few Austrian features, and no scheduled Germanophone/Central European destinations. Needs a climate graph, safety info, and coordinates for some venues.Reply[reply]

Nomination
Festung Hohensalzburg von Nordost.jpg
  • Needs work. Many listings don't have coordinates. --SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta) 06:34, 7 October 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    Most also lack lastedit, and those that have it are mostly from 2018–2019. I assume listings without coords are from before when we started adding coords systematically. Thus, this article haven't been updated since COVID-19 hit and needs a thorough check. If many listings were lost because of it, there is quite some work to replace them. Most listings now seem to have good descriptions, but after owner changes they may not apply. –LPfi (talk) 10:02, 7 October 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Slush? No improvements since. --SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta) 09:40, 15 November 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    Unless somebody steps forward. –LPfi (talk) 10:59, 15 November 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    Outcome: slushed. --SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta) 07:00, 16 November 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Kent (Ohio)[edit]

Place: Kent
Blurb: An Ohio college town known for its parks and festivals. (should not exceed ~145 characters)
Article status: Guide (must be guide or above).
Time to feature: Northern summer for weather. April/May for remembrance of the Kent State massacre. June/July for festivals. March/April 2024 for total solar eclipse.
Nominated by: Yvwv (talk) 12:45, 4 July 2022 (UTC)
Comment: While the United States have been well-featured, we have had few features from the Midwest, and none yet from Ohio.Reply[reply]

Nomination
KentOhioPufferbelly.JPG
Needs a little bit of work, though hopefully not much. A few points:
  • The "By plane" section violates wv:airports. While it isn't the blatant kind of violation like what we encountered in the Nigeria Expedition where there'd be seven unrelated airports, there is still no information on how to get from the airports to Kent
  • Some eat and drink listings need more contact details, if it can be found.
  • Holiday Inn Express Hotel & Suites seems to be outside Kent. If it's covered in another article, should it be removed?
Otherwise, it is mostly looking good, but the "By plane" section needs to be fixed before a feature. --SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 13:07, 4 July 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Support: Well formatted, a few subheads even have some supporting copy before the POIs! Just a few are missing coords. I would move any pois outside the dynamic map to whatever article they belong in. I would also remove the airport section, but probably no one agrees with me. Lose the "local" subhead under go next, doesn't add anything. ButteBag (talk) 19:17, 6 October 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Slush? Still no progress since July 4. --SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta) 02:32, 9 November 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Madrid[edit]

Place: Madrid
Blurb: The capital of Spain, and once its global empire, is a diverse destination with two world-class football clubs, fine dining, and bustling nightlife. (should not exceed ~145 characters)
Article status: Guide (must be guide or above).
Time to feature: Spring and autumn for weather. February for Carnival... though big events happen year around.
Nominated by: Yvwv (talk) 13:31, 30 July 2022 (UTC)
Comment: Spain is one of Europe's most visited countries, but has had very few features. This article was successfully districtified, and there is not much to add.Reply[reply]

Nomination
Plaza Mayor de Madrid 06.jpg
  • Comment There really shouldn't be any see listings in Madrid#See. Will do a detailed analysis of the article soon. --SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 23:19, 30 July 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    Okay, so ignoring the listings issue, I'm going to say this needs work. First of all, I find the map problematic. It doesn't have a static map, but I'm okay with that, but the dynamic district map relies on Wikidata IDs, and I think we all know that these can become victims of disappearing mapshapes; in this case, Madrid/Salamanca has already become one. I don't have much time in the near future to make such a detailed map for a city like Madrid (I can make a cheap one, but the dynamic map that relies on Wikidata IDs would be better in that case). Secondly, I noticed many listings were not in their respective districts, at least per the mapshapes. I haven't been to Madrid yet (though I plan to visit Madrid in 2025), so I don't really have much to comment on the content, but until this is fixed, this needs work. --SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta) 08:59, 13 October 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    Slush? No improvements have been made since the nomination. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta) 02:30, 9 November 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Yellowstone National Park[edit]

Place: Yellowstone National Park
Blurb: Since 1872, the world's first national park preserves geysers, hotsprings, and an amazing wildlife. (should not exceed ~145 characters)
Article status: Guide (must be guide or above).
Time to feature: Probably northern summer or autumn. We missed the 150th anniversary, but people don't go to Yellowstone for public events anyway.
Nominated by: Yvwv (talk) 13:27, 7 October 2022 (UTC)
Comment: We don't have too many North American destinations or national parks coming up. Few park articles are as detailed as this one.Reply[reply]

Nomination
Grand canyon of Yellowstone and Yellowstone fall nn edit1.jpg

Kingston (Jamaica)[edit]

Place: Kingston
Blurb: Jamaica's capital is the birthplace of reggae, and a great place to party. (should not exceed ~145 characters)
Article status: Guide (must be guide or above).
Time to feature: Northern winter. Not sure about events.
Nominated by: Yvwv (talk) 16:30, 13 September 2022 (UTC)
Comment: We have had zero Caribbean DoTMs, and a deficit of features for northern winter. Needs a climate graph, a more inspiring intro, and more nightlife venues.Reply[reply]

Nomination
Northern suburbs of Kingston, Jamaica.jpg
  • Comment From eat onwards, the article tends to become a little bit drab. May support if someone takes the initiative of making the eat section a bit more colourful. --SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta) 12:24, 14 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Needs more work. If the blurb is going to call it the birthplace of reggae and a great place to party, we need at least one reggae club in there! The Stay Safe section is also a bit odd, with "ensure a pleasant experience" and "signing their death warrant" back to back. Johannesburg#Stay safe is a good example of actually useful advice for a dangerous city. Jpatokal (talk) 06:20, 6 October 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Slush? Negative reviews and issues unresolved for a month. Are there any other worthy Caribbean articles? /Yvwv (talk) 15:49, 13 October 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Not yet In several places paragraphs appear to have unconnected sentences: Stay Safe has already been mentionned above, but I found this elsewhere, eg: in Understand - the second para links two completely different ideas. Route Taxis needs more explanation. Go Next is missing details for the places that don't have blue links. There have not been enough post-2020 edits to have confidence that it reflects all the changes as a result of Covid. AlasdairW (talk) 20:41, 13 October 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]


Gaborone[edit]

Place: Gaborone
Blurb: Botswana's capital is just a few decades old, already established as the gateway to this friendly county. (should not exceed ~145 characters)
Article status: Guide (must be guide or above).
Time to feature: March-May or Aug-Oct, weather-wise. Not sure about public events.
Nominated by: Yvwv (talk) 03:20, 3 January 2022 (UTC)
Comment: We have had few African features, and none from Botswana. This article seems to be up to date.Reply[reply]

Nomination
Three Dikgosi Monument - March 2010.jpg
I did not take the time to fully look at the article earlier, but now I have so I'm going to say it needs work. Some issues:
  • Understand is way too short.
  • The "Modern architecture" section has no description nor addresses
  • The same with the other "See" listings
  • The same goes with the other sections
That's just a start. So until this is fixed, I'm going to oppose a feature. However, in saying that, I'd like to see this being featured one day, perhaps maybe after these have been fixed. --SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 22:47, 17 January 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Scheduled for September, for good safari weather and Botswana Day on 30 September. Scheduling was made before the comment above, and can always be reconsidered. /Yvwv (talk) 22:51, 17 January 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
On hold due to remaining issues. /Yvwv (talk) 10:28, 25 April 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Slush? The article has unaddressed issues some months past nomination. /Yvwv (talk) 13:25, 1 May 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Don't know to be fair. I'd love to see an article from Botswana be featured (as outside ZA, Southern Africa has had relatively few features), but at the same time, it needs some work. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 08:03, 2 May 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Comment - the current page banner is dreadful and should be replaced. Was just looking at the page and noticed it was nominated.--ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 20:26, 16 July 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    Slush? This article has quietly been sitting here since Jan with all issues unimproved so far. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta) 06:32, 7 October 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Australian cuisine[edit]

Place: Australian cuisine
Blurb: While Australia isn't really known for its cuisine, Australian cuisine is a multicultural cuisine incorporating many Indigenous ingredients and perhaps one of the sweetest cuisines. (should not exceed ~145 characters)
Article status: Guide (must be guide or above).
Time to feature: Jan or Feb 2023 – around the time where there's good produce but anytime during the start of southern summer will also work.
Nominated by: SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 09:10, 23 February 2022 (UTC)
Comment: As you can probably see, it's a fairly new article having only been created recently. That being said, it does need some work on its beverages section. Additionally I've tried not to add a list of ingredients like in American cuisine, since it looks awfully encyclopedic and I don't think many will read it. That being said, I think the article could also cover a bit about etiquette, which while I can do, I'm not really sure how to explain it. The drinks section could also do better with a bit of work too, especially given Australia's large coffee culture, but can do that soon. Also before it gets lost in my banner collection, here's, a banner that I cropped.Reply[reply]

Nomination
Lamingtons on a plate.jpg
  • Comment: I think it needs a lot of work. Most sections don't look complete. The Meat section should mention that nearly all beef (and meat in general) is grass fed, not grain fed like it is in so many other countries of the world. Australia is also renowned internationally for its Black Angus beef and its marbled texture. There should also be a point on how experimental Australians are with meat. To what extent is game and offal eaten, for instance. The Fruit and Vegetable section briefly talks about one type of apple, no other kind of fruit and nothing about veggies. There should at least be a mention of Pink Lady apples and Calypso mangoes. The dietary requirements only touches on kosher, halal, vegetarianism and veganism. I think gluten free and nut allergies also need to be covered as a minimum. Iconic Australia ice creams like Paddle Pop, Golden Gaytime and Drumstick are all missing as are Twisties. Regarding seafood, Australia is known for its southern bluefin tuna and salmon (particularly Tasmania). There is no information on burgers which are more popular than e.g. Mexican-American, and no information on unique Australian twists on burgers like adding beetroot. It will come as a surprise to many foreign visitors the first time they order a burger in Australia. The takeaway section should have a sentence on Chinese takeaway plastic containers/boxes, which is different to the cardboard cartons you may find overseas. There's no mention of the great Australian barbecue nor anything on what kind of food is eaten on Christmas, the most important cultural event and festival of the year. Also missing Australian specific chains like Oporto and Red Rooster (see Chinese cuisine for comparison) and types of food establishments like the milk bar. I'll stop rambling now but I believe there is still a lot to do. Gizza (roam) 13:55, 23 February 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Not yet As the Australian drawbridge has only just been lowered, I think we should wait a year to allow edits as a result of readers using the guide. I agree with DaGizza that there is much to do. Snacks are well covered, but I think there is work to do on meals. Is kangaroo meat farmed, or are wild kangaroo's hunted or culled? Are there standards for the welfare of farm animals? Do Australian hotels serve breakfast? What times do Austrialians usually eat meals - will the restauarant be full of locals or empty at 6:30pm? What kind of food can be found in supermarkets - ready meals, hot food or just raw ingredients? AlasdairW (talk) 23:21, 23 February 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • I'd realised I as the nominator forgot to give my vote, but my vote is also needs work. --SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 10:46, 6 March 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
My comment as nominator still remains needs work, but I feel skeptical of the "fruit and veg" section or an ingredients section itself. I'm making this judgment based on American_cuisine#Ingredients which is pretty much a blob of super long user unfriendly text and it's mostly not travel related. --SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 04:08, 12 March 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
The issue with the American cuisine section is that it lists nearly everything that's eaten by Americans. My suggestions were more towards mentioning varieties of fruit and veg which are unique or originated in Australia. Gizza (roam) 06:40, 14 March 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
That makes sense and it is more doable, user friendly and travel related. We could also list some important food festivals too. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 06:58, 14 March 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Scheduled provisionally for February/March 2023. The article has improved, and can probably get good enough for next year. / 10:43, 2 May 2022 (UTC)
Needs work. The blurb, the intro and the article itself all need work: not a single mention of Mod Oz food (!), and the characterizations as "sweetest" (what?) and "not be the greatest culinary destination" are offputting. Also, I'm sorry to say, but Indigeous ingredients are basically non-existent. Jpatokal (talk) 03:42, 17 May 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
On hold due to remaining issues. /Yvwv (talk) 19:38, 26 June 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Slush? I don't think I have the knowledge or capability to make this FTT-worthy (namely, I honestly don't know how to fill the "Fruit and vegetables" section) so I won't be able to fix some of the remaining issues raised. @DaGizza, Jpatokal: What do you think? --SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta) 06:30, 5 October 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

I've given it a once-over, but I still think it needs more work. Jpatokal (talk) 07:46, 5 October 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
On hold until ready to feature. /Yvwv (talk) 08:51, 5 October 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Indianapolis[edit]

Place: Destination
Blurb: The Racing Capital of the World hosts Indy 500 in May, and is also a great place for business meetings and conventions. (should not exceed ~145 characters)
Article status: Guide (must be guide or above).
Time to feature: Terrible during northern winter, but there are lots of indoor venues. Preferrably May 2023 for Indy 500. Possibly April 2024 for solar eclipse.
Nominated by: Yvwv (talk) 12:30, 17 September 2022 (UTC)
Comment: We haven't had too many articles on the Midwest, and not many destinations related to racing or other spectator sports. Needs a history section, and general advice for the Eat & Drink sections.Reply[reply]

Nomination
Downtown Indianapolis panorama, 2015.jpg
  • Agreed that the best time to be on the main page is around the Indy 500, i.e. May 2023. —Justin (koavf)TCM 20:48, 17 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Scheduled for May 2023. Please evaluate the article. /Yvwv (talk) 10:59, 26 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Cycling in the United States[edit]

Place: Cycling in the United States
Blurb: With greatly expanded infrastructure since the onset of COVID, the most difficult part of cycling in America is deciding where to go. (should not exceed ~145 characters)
Article status: outline (must be guide or above).
Time to feature: Year round
Nominated by: ButteBag (talk) 23 September 2022 (UTC)
Comment: outline status remains because I'm not confident enough to update article statuses. It's worth a look.

Nomination
Sacramento River Rail Trail.jpg
Ah, that's the way to do it. Thanks @AlasdairW! ButteBag (talk) 15:54, 23 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Freetown[edit]

Place: Freetown
Blurb: Sierra Leone's capital is a fast-developing city with some of Africa's finest beaches. (should not exceed ~145 characters)
Article status: Guide (must be guide or above).
Time to feature: December to April to avoid rain. Possibly March for Film Festival and Ballanta Music Festival.
Nominated by: Yvwv (talk) 10:58, 2 March 2022 (UTC)
Comment: Africa is severely under-featured. This article has been considered for featuring for a while, and has the essentials.Reply[reply]

Nomination
Freetown street (13992704238).jpg
  • Close – I'd love to see this featured, and I agree that outside South Africa, Africa is severely underrepresented. Some issues tho:
  • There are two national parks on the static map, but there is no mention about them in the article. Maybe I'm nitpicky about this as someone who's into the concepts of metro national parks
  • Many listings are missing contact info.
  • There are no buy listings.
  • Many of the beach listings have just the beach name and coords with nothing else
Otherwise, it looks good to go. Once they're fixed, I'll support. --SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 11:32, 2 March 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Slush? this article has been quietly sitting here since March. Should we slush this for now and renominate this once we feel the quality has improved? --SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta) 06:45, 16 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Planning your flight[edit]

Place: Planning your flight
Blurb: Flying presents the traveller with many choices: airline, flight, cabin class, and sometimes a specific seat. (should not exceed ~145 characters)
Article status: Guide (must be guide or above).
Time to feature: Any. Possibly northern spring, before the global high season for tourist flights.
Nominated by: Yvwv (talk) 03:29, 21 November 2021 (UTC)
Comment: With many of the world's flights on hold for nearly two years, this is a good time to feature the basics. We could feature the flight articles one by one.Reply[reply]

Nomination
ANA 777-300 Taking off from JFK.jpg
  • Close Some brushups needed, but otherwise looks good. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 03:45, 21 November 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Slush? This nomination has quietly been sitting here since November and hasn't received a lot of support since. I would slush this for now and then renominate this if the article has improved. --SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta) 12:44, 15 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Las Vegas[edit]

Place: Las Vegas
Blurb: Sin City, the uncrowned capital of gambling, offers all kinds of entertainment year round. (should not exceed ~145 characters)
Article status: Guide (must be guide or above).
Time to feature: Events are always ongoing. Spring or fall have the best weather.
Nominated by: Yvwv (talk) 13:18, 1 November 2021 (UTC)
Comment: Slushed back in 2009, but has improved a lot. Can be featured anytime when we do not have too many North American articles.Reply[reply]

Nomination
Las Vegas (Nevada, USA), The Strip -- 2012 -- 6232.jpg
Comment: Sorry for the lack of geographic diversity, with a fourth DoTM candidate from the American Sun Belt. They all have international appeal to be featured, though. IMO we should run the best and most relevant US article in March 2022, and the next one for fall 2022. /Yvwv (talk) 16:27, 1 November 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@Yvwv: we do have around three Australian destinations featured next year + this December, so don't think it's a huge problem. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 04:59, 3 November 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Slush? No supports or opposes, but this nomination has just been sitting here for months now. I would have normally given my opinion my now, but I'm very undecided on this – on one hand, most of the districts are in good-shape, but none of the districts have {{mapmask}}s which IMO, is key for a good city article (as the outer borders are now undefined). SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 03:43, 30 July 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I agree that the maps are a problem. The mess of literal points of interest crowded in the maps on the page in several districts makes the maps nearly indecipherable without zooming in. And then there's the probably more serious problem of the "Las Vegas districts" map in Las Vegas, which does not show the boundaries of 3 districts. The age-old solution when there's a need to focus in on a city's downtown is to put it in an inset. So there should really be two district maps - the one that's already there and a zoomed-out one that shows the boundaries of the larger outlying districts. Ikan Kekek (talk) 03:55, 30 July 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Alternatively, I'd be happy to support if someone's willing to make an interactive dynamic map using geojson.io, which also gives the benefit of the district articles having mapmasks (using Renek78's convenient tool), but I've only visited Las Vegas twice and both times, I only visited the city en route to either Arizona or Utah. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 04:13, 30 July 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I've created a quick & dirty dynamic map and added it to the article. Maybe you have some ideas on how to improve it? "Wikivoyage Districtifier" does not work here because the official administrative boundaries are quite different from what we use so far.--Renek78 (talk) 09:16, 30 July 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
That map is an improvement, but I still think two maps, one an inset, are the best solution, considering that we want the page to be usable and printable as is, not only for people who have Internet access while they are using the map and are therefore able to look at it on a full page. -- Ikan Kekek (talk) 10:34, 30 July 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
It's certainly an improvement so thank you for making the map Renek78 :-).
@Ikan Kekek: But do we have anyone who can make an inset? If there is no guidance on how to make one (one that's in Wikivoyage-style), or if nobody can make them, then basically we're asking to do something that's impossible. I could do one IRL, but the way I would do it is completely against Wikivoyage style and I don't want to be unilaterally tampering our MoS. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 12:04, 30 July 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Not sure about other people but I use Wikivoyage within OsmAnd - a navigation app - while travelling. Printable maps wouldn't be a concern for me personally, but there are different user types of course.--Renek78 (talk) 16:45, 30 July 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Since dynamic maps are being used in that article, the way to make an inset would seem to be to simply increase the zoom level for the inset and make sure its positioning is such that it shows the full extent of the smallest districts. Ikan Kekek (talk) 19:23, 30 July 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Slush? Nothing has changed since July 30, and I doubt it will. For the most part, this nomination has quietly been sitting here for 10 months now. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta) 12:30, 14 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]


Wengen[edit]

Place: Wengen
Blurb: With steep slopes and reliable snowfall, this picturesque car-free village nestled deep in the Bernese Alps of Switzerland is one of the world's top downhill skiing destinations. (should not exceed ~145 characters)
Article status: Guide (must be guide or above).
Time to feature: Winter (Nov-Apr, roughly)
Nominated by: Jpatokal (talk) 03:53, 20 April 2022 (UTC)
Comment: Wengen is small, but it's a major tourist destination, so off the beaten path would be a stretch. Great article and it's just luvvly-jubbly in the springtime.Reply[reply]

Nomination
View From Wengen, Bernese Oberland (2521799368).jpg
Close, but needs some work:
  • Why is there only one listing in "Drink"? There are others mentioned, but they should be in a listing format.
  • Do the churches pass wv:worship? If so, they should be in a listing or markered at the bare minimum
  • The buy section is missing contact details, coordinates and addresses
That's all from me right now. Will do the smaller fixes myself. --SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 04:05, 20 April 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
No personal experience re: the other bars mentioned, alas. The Lutheran Church is picturesque and has great views, so it's worth a mention, but I'd drop the rest. I've cleaned up the Buy section. Jpatokal (talk) 05:27, 20 April 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Needs work. A ski resort should have a description of the lift system and spectator events. Could use a climate chart. /Yvwv (talk) 09:10, 20 April 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Wengen is not a standalone ski resort, but just a node in the rather vast Grindelwald-Wengen-Murren-First-Schilthorn ski area: you can ski down to Wengen, but getting up the slopes requires taking the train or gondola. This is mentioned in passing but I'll try to make this clearer. Jpatokal (talk) 12:50, 20 April 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Maybe the region should have an article on its own, whether it is called Jungfrau Region or something else. /Yvwv (talk) 22:21, 21 April 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Slush? Zero support votes, and issues have not been addressed for four months. /Yvwv (talk) 21:04, 26 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Go for it. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta) 22:55, 26 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Yangshuo[edit]

Place: Yangshuo
Blurb: Famous among backpackers for its scenic karst mountains. (should not exceed ~145 characters)
Article status: Guide (must be guide or above).
Time to feature: March-April and Oct-Nov seem to have the best weather. Possibly January for Lunar New Year.
Nominated by: Yvwv (talk) 16:07, 11 December 2021 (UTC)
Comment: We have no nominees from mainland China. Most venues need to be tagged. Re-categorized from OtBP to DoTM.Reply[reply]

Nomination
YangshuoFromTvTower.jpg
  • Comment: I wonder if this qualifies as OtBP given that this is a heavily touristed area. Anyway, I'll support this nomination if others do. It looks like the article hasn't been updated much recently, so I will try to do some work on it early next year. STW932 (talk) 17:53, 10 December 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I also think this fits as a DOTM Tai123.123 (talk) 17:56, 10 December 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Thanks for pointing out. See /Slush pile#Yangshuo. /Yvwv (talk) 13:50, 23 December 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Slush? Still no progress on coordinates and dead links for six months now (and I don't feel comfortable adding coordinates myself because of China's strange coordinate system). SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 08:37, 25 July 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]


Suwon[edit]

Place: Suwon
Blurb: South Korea's only walled city is within reach of Seoul's public transit, and a showcase of Korean history. (should not exceed ~145 characters)
Article status: Guide (must be guide or above).
Time to feature: May, June, September for weather. Not sure about public events.
Nominated by: Yvwv (talk) 19:36, 6 July 2022 (UTC)
Comment: Korea has been under-featured (and the northern part is likely to remain so). South Korean popular culture is in vogue, and the harsh pandemic rules have been dropped. The article needs some history information and a new district map.Reply[reply]

Nomination
Jangan Gate - Hwaseong Fortress - Nighttime western view - 2008-10-23.JPG
  • There's a red-linked image of Suwon districts until I delete it. "Traffic" is usually not in "Understand". A walled city deserves a bit of historical background in that section. A lot of restaurant names are oddly given with initial lowercase letters. I don't have time to look through the rest with a fine-toothed comb, but this article clearly needs more editing and a more meaningful "Understand" section to be featured. Ikan Kekek (talk) 22:27, 6 July 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I can't remember where, but yes, in South Korea and Taiwan, motels are a place to have sex, just like the love hotels in Japan. But that said, if you stay a night and decide not to have sex, nobody will say you can't. The dog2 (talk) 03:19, 18 July 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Found it; here it is. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 03:23, 18 July 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
But would it pass our sex tourism policy though? SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 03:24, 18 July 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
The sex tourism policy is about paying for sex, not going to a love motel with the person who is already your partner and having a discreet experience you choose to have as a couple. Houses of prostitution can't be listed, and we've discussed issues relating to gay spas (saunas?), I think they are, which are apparently really a euphemism for places where people pay to have sex with strangers of the same sex. That's not what love motels are, I think. Ikan Kekek (talk) 04:21, 18 July 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
It that case, I don't think it will be a problem. Many people do engage a prostitute from outside and bring her to the love motel to have sex, but these love motels generally do not provide prostitution services. They are just providing a place for people to have sex. The dog2 (talk) 14:35, 18 July 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
If these motels are seedy and patrons are likely to run into prostitutes and their johns, we should warn people and could consider whether to list them or not, but if they're well-taken-care-of, clean and discreet and used by couples who are married or in relationships as well as people hiring sex workers, it's fine to list them. Ikan Kekek (talk) 16:58, 18 July 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Not yet. Several sections need serious copy editing. The language issues often make the text hard to understand or even incomprehensible for somebody unfamiliar with the context. –LPfi (talk) 08:16, 22 July 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Needs a lot of work Apart from the motels issue, there are a hell lot of issues with this article
    • Its understand section is ridiculously short
    • There is no information on how to get in to Suwon by car.
    • The tone and language used is a serious problem. It's dull, for the most part, incomprehensible, and has a hell lot of grammar issues.
    • Suwon#Supermarket (though the SH should be Supermarkets) is very bland
    • The drink section needs a cleanup.
Therefore, I oppose a feature of Suwon. However, if we do want a feature from SK, then maybe we should pick one of the Seoul districts at guide status. namely Seoul/Jongno and Seoul/Jung (the other two are missing coords). Yvwv, what do you think of that? --SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 11:47, 22 July 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Good idea. /Yvwv (talk) 12:32, 22 July 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Sopron[edit]

Place: Sopron
Blurb: Also known as Ödenburg, this Austro-Hungarian border city has roots back to the Roman Empire. (should not exceed ~145 characters)
Article status: Guide (must be guide or above).
Time to feature: Weather is warm enough from May to September. Not sure about public events.
Nominated by: Yvwv (talk) 20:29, 11 April 2022 (UTC)
Comment: Hungary is appealing to visitors, but has had very few features. Many Hungarian town articles are nominally at Guide level (Érd, Hévíz, Budakeszi, Keszthely, Rétság, Zalaszentgrót, Zalalövő, etc), some of them hardly deserving the ranking. The Sopron article is one of the most extensive, with a good Understand section, as well as elaborate entries with coordinates for most venues.Reply[reply]

Nomination
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  • Close, but not yet. On a quick read it looks a good article, but I did see a few things that need to be worked on:
    • There are about a dozen see listings with the marker 99 - maybe some of these should be moved to Go next and become a different type of listing.
    • Interesting knowing what the bus fares were in 2014, but today?
    • Several dead links.
    • Following the recent changes, there are now more supermarket listings than we normally allow.
    • Very few listings have edit dates, which implies that they are old and need to be checked.

Otherwise it looks promising. AlasdairW (talk) 21:59, 12 April 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

You have a point that the article has entries for too many historic buildings. Those that are not normally open to the public, and do not have any extraordinary importance (palace of a ruler, etc) do not need to be listed individually. /Yvwv (talk) 22:15, 12 April 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Very close I don't have a problem with too many historic buildings, and as long as the churches listed pass wv:worship, it is fine. However, the we have the 99 problem, but that can be solved by creating a travel topic (such as Historic sites in Sopron), which also doesn't make this article long and unwieldy. However, the buy section does need a bit of work to reflect the recent wv:grocery addition and some of the eat/drink listings need descriptions, but otherwise the article has all the essentials for a feature. It seems a majority of the content here was added by Globetrotter19 in 2015, so it's reasonably up-to-date, but the dead links need a check but that can be done soon. --SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 22:26, 19 April 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Oppose - excessive detail, and out of date. Do we want to feature an article that lists every supermarket and the services it offers? Do we want to feature an article that lists all of the restaurants available in 2014 and their prices? (Hungary has had 30% inflation in the 78 years since these were posted.) I think this article need a major overhaul and update before it is featured. I cleaned up a lot of formatting, spelling and punctuation errors, but this still needs more work. Ground Zero (talk) 15:32, 18 July 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Slush? no major improvements apart from GZ's formatting fixes. I was unaware that Hungary has had a 30 per cent inflation in the last 7-8 years, hence my "very close", but the 99 issue will remain unless someone who knows the city well enough will be able to fix the historic sites issue. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 07:47, 22 July 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Shall we find another worthy guide-level Hungarian town? Hévíz? /Yvwv (talk) 11:33, 22 July 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Blanes[edit]

Place: Blanes
Blurb: A Catalonian fishing village with Roman heritage and beautiful beaches. (should not exceed ~145 characters)
Article status: Guide (must be guide or above).
Time to feature: May to October; chillier than most Mediterranean destinations. There seems to have been a fireworks festival in July.
Nominated by: Yvwv (talk) 12:09, 11 March 2022 (UTC)
Comment: While Spain is one of the world's most visited countries, we have featured few Spanish destinations, and none as OtBP.Reply[reply]

Nomination
Sa Palomera Blanes Costa Brava jmcasals.jpg
Getting there, but not yet – some comments from me:
  • Many listings, particularly in § Buy are missing contact info and have nothing but directions and coords.
  • Many of the eat listings are missing addresses
  • The drink section is missing many coordinates
  • The sleep section has many listings, but with no description.
  • Why is there an empty splurge section?
That's all from me. --SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 12:26, 11 March 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Slush? Unaddressed issues for three months. /Yvwv (talk) 23:20, 20 June 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Tagbilaran[edit]

Place: Tagbilaran
Blurb: The capital and gateway of the beautiful Philippine island of Bohol. (should not exceed ~145 characters)
Article status: Guide (must be guide or above).
Time to feature: December to May are driest. Christmas is a big thing; festivals are also held in January, 1 May, and July.
Nominated by: Yvwv (talk) 23:40, 27 March 2022 (UTC)
Comment: The Philippines are a large country with high tourist appeal, but no current nominees. We also need more OtBP for northern winter. Tagbilaran could be OtBP, as it is not among the country's most famous destinations, and mostly visited for transfer.Reply[reply]

Nomination
Tagbilaran cathedral, Bohol.png
close, but needs work. some feedback from me:
none of the eat, drink and sleep listing have coordinates
surely there's more than one place to drink in Tagbilaran.
many listings are missing descriptions
once that is resolved, i'll support. --shb2000 (talk) 05:51 1 april 2022 (utc)
Granted T is more a transit point than a destination in its own right. Still, I find it hard to consider it "off the beaten path"; the article says the port handled 4000 passengers a day pre-COVID.
Should another destination in Bohol province be featured instead? The main tourist area is Alona Beach on Panglao island. I'd say an effort to bring one of those up to Guide would be a better use of time than fixing T. Pashley (talk) 02:53, 23 May 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Slush? No work done for nearly three months. /Yvwv (talk) 23:12, 20 June 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Go for it. If we'd like a feature from the Philippines, I'd say we should follow Pashley's suggestion. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 10:19, 21 June 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Saas-Fee[edit]

Place: Saas-Fee
Blurb: A quiet Swiss ski resort with many peaks above 4,000 metres, and snow well into summer. (should not exceed ~145 characters)
Article status: Guide (must be guide or above).
Time to feature: March to May; ski season comes late at this altitude. Summer can be pleasant for outdoor life too.
Nominated by: Yvwv (talk) 12:15, 20 January 2022 (UTC)
Comment: We have had few features from Switzerland, and few winter resorts.Reply[reply]

Nomination
Saas-Fee Dorf.jpg
  • Close but needs some work haven't fully looked at the article, but here's a few comments from me:
  • The tourist offices need a description
  • The capitalization needs a check
  • From the #Drink section, Nightlife choices in the Saas valley are plenty but mostly limited to pubs and après-ski bars. If that's the case, then why is only one bar listed?
--SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 12:27, 20 January 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Slush? No improvement since nomination, and we have another Swiss mountain town nominated for DoTM. /Yvwv (talk) 16:44, 28 May 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Feel free to. I guess we don't need two Swiss towns. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 01:16, 29 May 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Ta'if[edit]

Place: Ta'if
Blurb: Ta'if is known as the "best summer destination" in Saudi Arabia as well as the "City of Roses". The city is a very popular tourist destination among Saudis, especially during the summers. (should not exceed ~145 characters)
Article status: Guide (must be guide or above).
Time to feature: July-August
Nominated by: Roovinn (talk) 13:24, 29 January 2022 (UTC)
Comment: I've taken a huge interest in Saudi Arabia lately and I've taken it upon myself to edit articles on the country. Ta'if is not exactly a household word, but I feel that this is a perfect destination to promote on this site. There's so much to see and do in the city, and it offers attractions that you wouldn't normally see in other parts of Saudi Arabia. Underrated destination if you ask me.Reply[reply]

Nomination
Taifroad.jpg
  • Support as nominator. If the article needs more work, we can nominate it at another time. Roovinn (talk) 13:27, 29 January 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Very close, the guide looks good to me, but the few things that can be improved are- all phone numbers must be uniformly written in +966 XXX XXXX... also in the budget part of the eat section, there is no need to make two listings for the same place, an exception can be made if there is significant difference between the two which must be clearly specified in the content of the listings. Some sections can be expanded like the buy section by adding listings for local markets etc. Optionally, a route box at the end of the guide can also be added. Apart from these, everything looks good to me. These are some minor glitches and can be fixed easily. 2006nishan178713t@lk 13:42, 29 January 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    @Roovinn, if this destination is an 'Underrated destination' and it 'is not exactly a household word' then it could be featured as OtBP 2006nishan178713t@lk 13:46, 29 January 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    Also consider adding a 'Connect' section specifying telecom operators in the city and other ways to connect with the world. 2006nishan178713t@lk 13:51, 29 January 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    @2006nishan178713 Done and implemented, to the best of my abilities. Thank you for your suggestions! Phone numbers I'll tweak later. Roovinn (talk) 14:08, 29 January 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    Nice work, lets see what others think. I'll put my support once the phone number issue is fixed and no other issue catches my eyes. :) 2006nishan178713t@lk 14:27, 29 January 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Comment Isn't there a rule stating that there needs to be at least two years between features from the same general region, as both mecca and taif are in Hejaz we can only have one go up this year. No longer an issue due to slushing of Mecca. Tai123.123 (talk) 17:09, 29 January 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    @Tai123.123, that's true. We can keep the Ta'if nomination open for a certain period of time and then we can choose any one of it which is more accurately written. 2006nishan178713t@lk 17:50, 29 January 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Not voting for now Have the same concern as Tai123.123. Anyway, my thoughts:
  • The visa requirement section is not necessary as duplication can cause confusion
  • What happened to the addresses? Nearly all of them are missing
  • Some of the listings need a description
So excluding Tai123's concern which I also have, I'm going to say close. --SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 22:41, 29 January 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Close. Needs a more inspiring intro, a climate graph, and a general description for the Do, Buy and Eat sections. /Yvwv (talk) 03:40, 22 February 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Slush? The article has unaddressed issues some months past nomination. If they are fixed, we can run the article soon again to feature for mid-2023. /Yvwv (talk) 10:35, 18 May 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Support slushing – unfortunately not a single edit since the nomination (excluding a spelling and a lint fix). SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 06:54, 21 May 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I made an editing pass & I think improved some things. However I have not been there in about 40 years, so I'm not the right person to ensure it is up-to-date. I do not object to slushing it for now, but Roovin is correct; this is an underrated destination & well worth featuring at some point. Pashley (talk) 02:32, 23 May 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]


Arusha[edit]

Place: Arusha
Blurb: A city at the foot of Mount Kilimanjaro is the gateway to many of Tanzania's safari parks. (should not exceed ~145 characters)
Article status: Guide (must be guide or above).
Time to feature: May to October for weather. Not sure about public events.
Nominated by: Yvwv (talk) 20:45, 3 April 2022 (UTC)
Comment: Africa deserves more features. Arusha is a fairly large city, but not a famous destination in its own right, and more often visited as a base for safaris. Slushed in 2013.Reply[reply]

Nomination
Arusha Market.jpg

Wasn't Arusha slushed a couple of times? (Having checked) Yes, in 2013 and 2010. And a quick glance shows that some safari operators are still listed under P.O. boxes or lack an address at all, so it's not ready for a feature yet. Ikan Kekek (talk) 01:55, 4 April 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

  • Needs (alot of) work The lead is short and should be improved. There is a lack of coords for most eat and sleep listing. Two see listings is too little for a city of the size, a quick google search makes me think that the "w:Arusha Declaration Monument" and the "Arusha National Natural History Museum" should be added. Also lack of addresses like Ikan Kekek pointed out above. —The preceding comment was added by Tai123.123 (talkcontribs) 04:47, 4 April 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Not yet. In addition to what has been stated above, the Drink section has information but lacks listings and the destinations in "Go next" lack descriptions. Many of the listings may also be closed since they lack URL links so the article could be very out-of-date. Even Do and Buy have the potential to be expanded. A city of 400,000 likely has more than two non-safari activities and two markets (excluding malls). Gizza (roam) 05:49, 4 April 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • No, and this would fit more into the new "informative" status – when I first saw this nomination in its current status, it was an absolute joke to me. Many of the listings are in a state of despair on top of the issues that Gizza, Ikan and Tai brought up. To Yvwv, I understand you want to feature more destinations from underrepresented parts of the world, but at the same time, but if it doesn't fulfill the criteria, it can't be featured. Also, I disagree that Arusha is "off the beaten path". It is far more significant than Arches NP which we decided would be a dotm. So no, I oppose featuring this, and I'm not going to spend my time on working on an article that is in a state of despair just so we can get more features from underrepresented parts of the world. --SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 07:58, 7 April 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Slush? Due to negative feedback, we could slush this nomination early. /Yvwv (talk) 22:38, 7 April 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Go ahead as you wish. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 22:49, 7 April 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Mecca[edit]

Place: Mecca
Blurb: Mecca has a rich place in human history. There's so much to explore and learn about the holiest site in Islam. (should not exceed ~145 characters)
Article status: Guide (must be guide or above).
Time to feature: March-September
Nominated by: Roovinn (talk) 15:55, 26 January 2022 (UTC)
Comment: I've taken a huge interest in Saudi Arabia lately and I've taken it upon myself to edit articles on the country. If I am to be honest, Saudi Arabia is an underrated destination. I understand that not many people can to travel to Mecca because of their religious affiliations (I know I fit in that category), but people should at least be aware of what all the city and Saudi Arabia are about and what they have to offer to the interested reader/traveller.Reply[reply]

Nomination
Kaaba mirror edit jj.jpg
  • It's a nice article. A little bit of work needs to be done, such as a description for some of the do and sleep listings, some addresses. But I wouldn't want to feature it because has anyone from voy actually visited Mecca to confirm everything? If that's a yes, I would be happy to see it go on the main page, but thanks for improving that article :-) --SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 01:11, 27 January 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Also the drink section needs some work per Tai123.123 as well. --SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 01:29, 27 January 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Needs Work I agree with SHB that someone who's visited Mecca should review it before a feature. There could be more sleep and eat listings for one of the most visited cities in the world, also there is only drink listing but the descrirption says there are numerous cafes. Tai123.123 (talk) 01:25, 27 January 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Would it be an alternative to make Hajj a featured travel topic? That article is currently rated Usable, but looks to me like it could be promoted to Guide. Pashley (talk) 01:47, 27 January 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Provided that a majority of the world's population is prohibited from visiting Mecca, should it be OtbP? /Yvwv (talk) 10:10, 27 January 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I don't know to be fair. It's a well known destination, but similar to #Punta Arenas, it's not easy to get to, and with Mecca, impossible. Since that's the case, I'm leaning towards OtBP. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 10:19, 27 January 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
If it's more appropriate for Off the Beaten Path, that would be fine as well. Roovinn (talk) 11:49, 27 January 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Support for OtBP. My only concern would be that none of the most recent contributors have been there, so we're relying on internet info.--ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 13:03, 27 January 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Comment Can you imagine a path more beaten than the one leading here? You can dream about Paris without ever being able to go there, but that doesn't mean it's a hidden gem. For those able to visit Mecca it is certainly in the category of well-known and well-visited, and for those not, well. I don't think easiness of visiting has ever been a criterion for DoTM. –LPfi (talk) 13:17, 27 January 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • I couldn't agree more. Off the Beaten Path for Mecca is absurd to the nth degree. I would like to reserve judgment until a Haji/Hajjah has the chance to pass judgment on the article. Ikan Kekek (talk) 13:24, 27 January 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    Agree this has to DOTM. Tai123.123 (talk) 15:43, 27 January 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Paris is quite a different story because anyone can visit there unless they have visa problems which applies worldwide. In Mecca's case, only Muslims can enter the city, so for most of the world's population, it's off the beaten track. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 02:20, 28 January 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I'd say the suggestion of OtBP is absurd; I'm not sure of current numbers, but before COVID something over two million foreigners a year came for Hajj plus Saudis doing Hajj & people visiting at other times. This is an extremely well-beaten path & has been for well over a thousand years.
Either Mecca as DotM or Hajj as FTT would make sense. Pashley (talk) 05:06, 28 January 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I think featuring somewhere that most of the world can't visit as destination of the month on an international, secular website is absurd. Haven't we had Hajj as FTT before? If not, that would be an alternative. However, it's probably a moot point, because none of us have visited Mecca, because we're not allowed.--ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 11:44, 28 January 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I mean, "mecca" literally means a place that's a huge draw for x-type of people. This discussion is IMO silly. You can't go somewhere, so therefore it's not off the beaten path but off-limits for you, but that doesn't mean there's no beaten path, just that you aren't on it. -- Ikan Kekek (talk) 11:45, 28 January 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I'm with TT on this one. If it's off-limits to most of the world's population, then it's not on the beaten track – it probably might be well known, but if no-one here has been there, then how can we check if everything is accurate? SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 11:59, 28 January 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Please be sensible. Which track is more beaten than the one to Mecca? Do you want to make this site a laughingstock? Ikan Kekek (talk) 13:43, 28 January 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I have to agree with others. Rather than thinking about Mecca in terms of who cannot visit, think of it in these terms: 1.9 billion people in the world are REQUIRED to visit this destination. Sure, not all of them will, but they should all be trying. That's nearly 1/4 of the entire population of planet earth. If 1 out of every 4 people have visited or are planning to visit a destination, there is no way it is off the beaten path. Almost all of our past DotMs have had less visitors. Everything will be "OtBP" if the DotM threshold is that over 25% of the world must have been there or be planning to visit said destination. Places like Tokyo, Sydney, Los Angeles, etc. would all be "OtBP" candidates. ChubbyWimbus (talk) 14:26, 28 January 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
DOTM is just defied as a "Major Travel Destination", if one of the most visited cities in the world is not a major destination then I don't what it is. (This is per the definition at Previous Destinations of the month).
OTBP is defined as a "lesser-known or unusual travel destination", you cannot argue that Mecca is lesser known as many non muslims have heard of it even id though don't plan on visiting, if we make Mecca OTBP under the second definition provided (unusual travel destination) I feel this could even be taken as offensive by some Muslims. (Again definition provided by Previously Off the beaten path) Tai123.123 (talk) 14:59, 28 January 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I don't know how you think I'm not being sensible. As TT says, "featuring somewhere that most of the world can't visit as destination of the month on an international, secular website is absurd". Simple as that, how is that not being sensible? Hypothetically, if someone does ever manage to create a guide article for Area 51, would you call that a dotm or an otbp? SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 22:13, 28 January 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
We've made very clear why we think your argument is senseless. Where's the beaten path to Area 51? Gimme a break! I will say unmistakeably that if Mecca were to be nominated for "Off the Beaten Path", I will strongly oppose! Ikan Kekek (talk) 22:20, 28 January 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Yes, but none of us here have visited Mecca. We could get someone from Wikipedia who might've been to Mecca to check everything is accurate though. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 22:30, 28 January 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
That's a different issue. However, Muslims have edited here; they just don't look at this page. Ikan Kekek (talk) 22:32, 28 January 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Why does it matter if any of us have visited, the definition listed at Previous Destinations of the month says it must be a major travel destination, not a place that Wikivoyage editors have been. Tai123.123 (talk) 01:19, 29 January 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Because we get a similar situation as to the the slushed Pyongyang – purely based on online research. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 01:21, 29 January 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Again that's a different issue, if we were to feature it would have to be DOTM (though again I still think it needs work per my earlier messages) Tai123.123 (talk) 01:23, 29 January 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Fair enough. However, as the drink section needs work, I guess it can't be featured until that's sorted out anyway. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 02:01, 29 January 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Here's the current vote count if anyone's curious,
Dotm: 6 (Me, Ikan, Roovin, LPFI, Pashley, ChubbyWimbus)
OTBP: 3 (SHB, Ywwv, ThunderingTyphoons) Tai123.123 (talk) 01:17, 29 January 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    • It is not a vote; we are trying to work by consensus.
The notion of Mecca as OtBP strikes me as patently absurd. If you look at w:List of cities by international visitors, Mecca is 21st on the list, ahead of places like Prague (23), Amsterdam (26) or Miami (28). Las Vegas, Shanghai, Barcelona, LA, Milan & Vienna are in the 30s. San Francisco is ranked 72nd and Rio 98th. We would never for second consider any of those OtBP & should not consider it for Mecca.
It would take far stronger arguments than any above to make me even consider OtBP here.
Hajj as FTT would be an alternative. Pashley (talk) 14:27, 12 February 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I agree that Mecca should be a DOTM, not OTBP. It's a very frequently visited city during non-pandemic times and well known among people who haven't been or can't go there. I don't think the fact that the city is exclusive to travellers following a particular religion can change a destination from DOTM to OTBP. Gizza (roam) 00:58, 23 March 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I know we work by consensus I just wanted to see which proposal had more support behind, also if no consenus can be be reached I feel the feature should be DOTM not OTBP (I feel this about all articles not just Mecca) Tai123.123 (talk) 07:08, 23 March 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Slush? Even if we would settle on whether to run the article as DoTM or OtBP, the article has some issues pointed out, which have yet to be resolved, two months after nomination. In any case, if we feature Mecca and neighboring Ta'if, there should be some cooldown time between them. /Yvwv (talk) 23:30, 27 March 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@Yvwv Featuring neighbouring Ta'if seems like a better alternative to me on top of the fact that we cannot decide whether to feature Mecca as dotm or otbp. And as Tai123.123 mentioned, we can only feature one of them during the next two years, so feel free to go ahead. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 23:34, 27 March 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]


Havana[edit]

Place: Havana
Blurb: The capital of Cuba has been relatively isolated for half a century, but becomes increasingly open for visitors. (should not exceed ~145 characters)
Article status: Guide (must be guide or above).
Time to feature: November to May, weather-wise. Not sure about events.
Nominated by: Yvwv (talk) 16:09, 1 January 2022 (UTC)
Comment: We have had zero DoTMs from the Caribbean. As Cuba becomes more open and reformed, costs are expected to rise, and the revolutionary character can be expected to fade away.Reply[reply]

Nomination
Catedral Habana 01.jpg
  • Comment The lead can be improved Tai123.123 (talk) 19:56, 1 January 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Needs work on top of what Tai123.123 mentioned, a lot of the casas particulares don't have coordinates. --SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 05:53, 15 January 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    There are 12 with coordinates, 16 without. You could choose between the 12 if you want to use your GPS. The others can still be found by address, directions or by asking. Good of course if somebody knows how to find the coordinates of places over there. As we don't like long lists, should it be split up in some way (or pruned, but I suppose these get fully booked more easily than hotels). –LPfi (talk) 08:50, 18 January 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    My understanding is that for a guide article, you wouldn't need to consult another guide because it's already there – but if you say "by asking", that is very similar to consulting another guide. Plus, many listings in this article also lack addresses – it's useless having coords but no addresses when printing it out unless it's a case like Port Campbell National Park where it's pointless because all the POIs have the same address. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 09:00, 18 January 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    I suppose we should do something general about using our guides offline. You can download the guides, but if you get neither the map tiles nor the coordinates, and we rely on them, we turn those travellers down. –LPfi (talk) 10:57, 18 January 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Slush? Zero support votes and severe unaddressed issues nearly three months into nomination. /Yvwv (talk) 02:05, 28 March 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Feel free to. By the time the next time this gets nominated, Cuba will have developed even further. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 23:50, 28 March 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Ingolstadt[edit]

Place: Ingolstadt
Blurb: A pleasant Bavarian town at the Danube, known for Frankenstein, Audi and the Illuminati. (should not exceed ~145 characters)
Article status: Guide (must be guide or above).
Time to feature: Northern summer for weather, or April for Fest zum Reiner Bier.
Nominated by: Yvwv (talk) 18:07, 14 November 2021 (UTC)
Comment: With more than 100,000 citizens, is it big enough for DoTM?Reply[reply]

Nomination
Ingolstadt town hall.jpg
I had a relook at it, but I'm going to say some urgent work is needed – are there really only five places to eat? Until that is resolved, I don't support a feature for the time being. --04:01, 12 March 2022 (UTC)
Scheduled provisionally. Avoiding to feature at the same time as German cuisine. /Yvwv (talk) 23:00, 16 November 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Put on hold? The article has unaddressed issues. Should we run Deventer instead? /Yvwv (talk) 20:10, 25 March 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Or possibly Gavle? SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 22:43, 25 March 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Very close to Archipelago Trail, so they should not be featured the same month. We could run Gävle for August, or delay the Archipelago Trail to June/July. /Yvwv (talk) 02:45, 26 March 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Makes sense. Another possibility would be to feature Perce to May replacing Ingolstadt, move Budderoo NP one month forward so we feature both in a more favourable season and then feature Savaii during October which works for all three destinations. We could feature Gavle during December as it has more support than Punta Arenas. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 02:52, 26 March 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I'd very much like to have the Archipelago Trail featured in May as planned, as that gives it all the season, while a feature in July would mean that places are closing down by the end of the feature. –LPfi (talk) 08:33, 28 March 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Yeah it's likely that the Archipelago Trail won't change. Looks like this might only be featured next year. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 08:36, 28 March 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Slush? Has been nominated for months with remaining issues. /Yvwv (talk) 23:54, 28 March 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Go ahead and feel free to. We have many destinations from Deutschland that are in better shape. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 23:59, 28 March 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]


Ohio state parks[edit]

Place: Ohio state parks
Blurb: Ohio has plenty of public land with great scenery and opportunities for hiking, camping, and fishing. (should not exceed ~145 characters)
Article status: Guide (must be guide or above).
Time to feature: Probably northern summer
Nominated by: Yvwv (talk) 20:17, 25 November 2021 (UTC)
Comment: We have had few features from the Midwest, and none from Ohio. Could also be considered for OtBP.Reply[reply]

Nomination
Pymantuninglillypad.jpg
I'm changing from support to not yet per Ikan. --SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 03:35, 16 January 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Scheduled provisionally for June/July. /Yvwv (talk) 11:33, 17 December 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Support as a well-formatted article with extensive travel and activities information, and a model for any articles providing lists of parks. I'm not concerned about the redlinks, which are to county articles that don't fit into our region structure. These redlinks can be removed or redirected to those counties' regions. --Comment by Selfie City (talk) (contributions) 00:13, 2 January 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Comment: But the red links do have to be dealt with in some way. My feeling is that this is a very practical guide to what facilities are available in each park, but what it doesn't have enough of for my taste is overviews of why you would want to go to Park A, Park B, Park C, etc. I would like to see every entry have a statement of what's special about that particular park, especially considering that none of these parks appear to have their own articles. If they had their own articles, such a statement and indeed some of the practical details could be farmed out to those articles, but that isn't the setup. So ultimately, my vote is not yet, but I consider this a very useful and promising article and believe that with some work by people who know these parks, this could be not just a feature but a particularly good feature. (I made a small change to the blurb: Sceneries -> scenery. I don't think I've ever seen that word in the plural except on this site.) Ikan Kekek (talk) 10:58, 3 January 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
On hold due to lack of support. /Yvwv (talk) 22:02, 16 January 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Slush? The article has many identified issues that have not been addresed since the nomination three months ago. We could re-nominate when the article has improved. /Yvwv (talk) 11:38, 3 March 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
If you as the nominator feel it should be slushed, then go ahead. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 11:40, 3 March 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Keszthely[edit]

Place: Keszthely
Blurb: A medieval city at the western coast of Lake Balaton, famous for the Festetics Palace and other Baroque buildings. (should not exceed ~145 characters)
Article status: Guide (must be guide or above).
Time to feature: May to September
Nominated by: Yvwv (talk) 10:02, 18 November 2021 (UTC)
Comment: Many Hungarian towns have guide-level articles, but very few have been featured. We can also consider Érd, Hévíz, Budakeszi, Rétság, Zalaszentgrót or Zalalövő.Reply[reply]

Nomination
A Magyarok Nagyasszonya-templom Keszthely, légi fotó.jpg
  • Close some fixes needed and a lot of the listings don't have descriptions. I also have a somewhat concern, that there's far too many European destinations squished together, although mostly Western Europe, so not a issue for this article. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 10:13, 18 November 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Slush? – it's almost three months and no improvements have been made. We have many fine destinations from Europe, so geographic diversity is not a problem. --SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 05:58, 2 February 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
As mentioned above, many Hungarian towns have guide-level articles. Would any of them be more ready to feature? /Yvwv (talk) 14:01, 4 February 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]


Helsinki/West[edit]

Place: Helsinki/West
Blurb: Western Helsinki has many of Finland's best known monumental buildings, including the Parliament, the Kiasma art museum, and the Hartwall Arena, which hosts the 2022 IIHF World Championship. (should not exceed ~145 characters)
Article status: Guide (must be guide or above).
Time to feature: May 2022 for the ice hockey World Championship, or June-August for white nights and warm weather.
Nominated by: Yvwv (talk) 11:04, 28 September 2021 (UTC)
Comment: The IIHF 2022 is played in western Helsinki and Tampere. Helsinki itself was featured in 2005, and Tampere in 2007.Reply[reply]

Nomination
Jokerit vs. Dinamo.jpeg
See Wikivoyage:Quick district article template, they aren't required in city districts. I should really go through the Helsinki articles again some day and have a look what needs to be updated... --Ypsilon (talk) 13:55, 28 September 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Interesting. Always thought they were meant to have them, but that's probably because a lot of district articles just have those sections anyway. In that case, I kannattaa (google translated) this article. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 14:00, 28 September 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Comment I think the banner isn’t that nice, I have no idea what it’s a photo of. Tai123.123 (talk) 16:41, 1 October 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]
It's a closeup of the dome of the Church in the Rock from the outside. --Ypsilon (talk) 16:50, 1 October 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]
It’s difficult to tell it’s a photo of a church and the Colors are bland Tai123.123 (talk) 18:43, 1 October 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]
The church doesn't look like a traditional church (see c:Category:Temppeliaukio Church) but it's actually one of the most popular tourist attractions in Helsinki (TBH I can't understand why, I've always found it ugly). Perhaps the photo could be better, but otherwise the church is a good banner topic for Western Helsinki. --Ypsilon (talk) 14:46, 2 October 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Banners aren't considered a reason for opposition to a DOTM feature. We ought to consider changing the banner if image quality is poor. --Comment by Selfie City (talk | contributions) 15:52, 2 October 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I’m not opposing it I just thing the banner is subpar Tai123.123 (talk) 16:10, 2 October 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Okay, I understand now. I would agree, as I don't think the current banner is informative about the city. --Comment by Selfie City (talk | contributions) 16:27, 2 October 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Although I'd tend to go with Ypsilon's local knowledge though. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 09:55, 6 October 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]
On hold with zero support votes, and Archipelago Trail featuring just before. /Yvwv (talk) 20:58, 2 November 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@Yvwv: There is one support vote, by me :D It's just that I used the Finnish word for support (kannattaa according to google translate)... SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 04:00, 28 November 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Scheduled provisionally for September, not too close to the previous Finnish article. It can however get a bit cold, and there are no major events, except the Finland-Sweden Athletics International. /Yvwv (talk) 04:25, 28 November 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]
On hold again as some issues remain, and we have an overlapping feature from another Nordic country, and an excess of European articles. Replacing with Gaborone. /Yvwv (talk) 22:44, 17 January 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Slush? We have many great articles from Finland and other Nordic countries, both destinations and travel topics, some recently featured or upcoming. This article is not bad, but could see some improvement, and is not the strongest candidate for its country. /Yvwv (talk) 15:38, 21 January 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]


Del Valle Regional Park[edit]

Place: Del Valle Regional Park
Blurb: Sitting in rural California, Del Valle Regional Park has mountainous countryside, surrounds Lake Del Valle providing a source of recreation for visitors (should not exceed ~145 characters)
Article status: Guide (must be guide or above).
Time to feature: Spring (Mar-May) or Autumn (Sept-Nov)
Nominated by: SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 12:06, 15 October 2021 (UTC)
Comment: Stumbled across this article, and it'd be nice to feature a lakeside destination. I'd say this is near star, and SelfieCity has put in a lot of work into this article.Reply[reply]

Nomination
Del Valle Mountainous.jpg
  • Comment: I wrote this some time ago and will need to review this if we’re going to feature the article. However, this is a part of the Diablo Range, a place which was just featured, and it may be better to feature somewhere from a locality we haven’t featured previously. However I’d leave that judgment to others and by no means oppose this nomination. --Comment by Selfie City (talk | contributions) 01:51, 16 October 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Late reply, but if that's the case, then would it make sense to feature this in 2023, 2 years after Diablo? SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 07:37, 23 October 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I’m OK with this. However, we’ll have to keep an eye on the fires this and next summer, as I don’t think this park has experienced a fire in a few years and with its woodland vegetation is a likely target for one. --Comment by Selfie City (talk | contributions) 10:41, 23 October 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]
(this is probably the millionth time I've accidentally thought June and around that time was winter :-( ) SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 10:47, 23 October 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Would late 2022 also work? SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 02:50, 6 November 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Yeah, sure. Sorry I didn’t see this earlier. --Comment by Selfie City (talk) (contributions) 02:13, 7 December 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Very close. Has most of the essentials but needs a more inspiring lead section, and more on climate and safety. /Yvwv (talk) 16:57, 22 December 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Slush? It is customary to slush a nomination which has been up for for three months, if there are zero support votes and unaddressed issues. This is still a decently good article, and deserves more evaluation. /Yvwv (talk) 20:57, 1 February 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@Yvwv I'd say slush it, and I think we can renominate it two years after the Diablo Range has been featured. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 05:10, 2 February 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]


Deventer[edit]

Place: Deventer
Blurb: One of the oldest cities in the Netherlands, with many medieval buildings. (should not exceed ~145 characters)
Article status: Usable (must be guide or above).
Time to feature: Northern summer, or December for the Dickens festival.
Nominated by: Yvwv (talk) 12:30, 24 January 2022 (UTC)
Comment: We have had few Benelux features, and none other nominated, as Amsterdam and Doetinchem were just slushed.Reply[reply]

Nomination
Deventer Waag-VNP.jpg
  • Oppose and speedy slush. Must be guide or above. Nominate when it's a guide. -- Ikan Kekek (talk) 12:36, 24 January 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
As mentioned in /Slush pile#Doetinchem, the article meets the formal criteria for guide level. Status brought up in Talk:Deventer. /Yvwv (talk) 12:56, 24 January 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Then promote it, but don't nominate any article when it's not yet a guide or star article. Promote it first, if that's warranted. That's a fundamental requirement for nomination, as you know. Ikan Kekek (talk) 13:04, 24 January 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Doetinchem[edit]

Place: Doetinchem
Blurb: A city of 45,000 inhabitants in the eastern Netherlands, which has been at the crossroads of European history from the Stone Age to World War II. (should not exceed ~145 characters)
Article status: Guide (must be guide or above).
Time to feature: Northern summer for weather. Not sure about public events.
Nominated by: Yvwv (talk) 12:35, 23 January 2022 (UTC)
Comment: We have had very few features from the Benelux, and currently none nominated. Needs a more inspiring intro and safety info. Has the essentials otherwise.Reply[reply]

Nomination
Doetinchem, Sint Catharinakerk RM13084 in straatzicht foto7 2012-07-22 14.54.jpg
  • Needs work Many of the listings need a description, and others need coordinates. --SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 12:38, 23 January 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Not sure. Speaking as a citizen of Doetinchem, I don't think my city has that much to offer, and even less now that Covid is a thing we deal with. There's one large event planned this year that I know of, The Passion, which is performed in the Dutch language only, and will be held without spectators because of the pandemic. Also, focussing on European history is a bit unfortunate for this city. It got bombed thrice in March 1945 and very little of its historical character remains to be seen. It really doesn't have much to offer when it comes to history. Nearby Doesburg is a better pick on that front. It already sees a lot of German tourists every year, and does actually have a more quaint historical feel to it, with a history within the Hanseatic League to back it up.
That said, I think there's a potential for a good OtBP, but as a candidate, it might be better to 'steal' some nearby locations from their respective articles. Connection to them isn't an issue, since Doetinchem functions as a hub for most of the region. It could definitely benefit from being merged with Hoog-Keppel, Laag-Keppel and Hummelo (currently Bronckhorst) or alternatively 's-Heerenberg and Zeddam (currently Liemers, but an independent municipality within that region (Montferland)). Honestly though, if we want a Benelux article to be featured somewhat soon, it'd be better to look elsewhere, and I'm more than happy to help find that candidate.
-- Wauteurz (talk) 14:12, 23 January 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Point taken. Would you recommend any other Benelux article which we could feature as is, or with some simple updates? /Yvwv (talk) 21:45, 23 January 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@Yvwv: Of course. Here's a little list with some of my thoughts:
  • Deventer (Overijssel, usable) - I see little wrong here. Deventer might be a guide article in disguise?
  • Drenthse Veenkoloniën (Drenthe, guide and Unesco-site) - I am the sole author of this article, so it could benefit from revision.
  • Arnhem (Gelderland, usable) - Needs work to fit MoS closer, can use some leading texts.
  • Nijmegen (Gelderland, usable) - Coords mostly, it seems.
  • Liège (Wallonia, usable) - Seems to need mostly coords and some more leading text.
  • Oostende/Ostend (Flanders, usable) - Might actually be a possible DotM instead, if so Nieuwpoort might be a good alternative?
  • Echternach (Luxembourg, usable) - Hasn't seen major edits since 2016.
Belgium hasn't had a OtBP yet, the Netherlands has had two (Groningen, July '17 and Simpelveld, April '21), Luxembourg one (Vianden, May '14), so I think Belgium would be most deserving of one. In which case I would push forward any of the above. I'm not the most familiar with Belgium though, so it might be handy to involve someone that is so we feature worthwhile articles.
In general though, Deventer is my favourite. It is perhaps best featured in December for the Dickens Festival and Christmas market, assuming those happen this year. Nijmegen is a strong second. Oostende would be third, but it seems to require more work. Veenkoloniën, I would rank high, but I am not willing to grade it since it's mostly my own work, and I might be blind to whatever it might lack.
-- Wauteurz (talk) 23:05, 23 January 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]


Bandung/Central[edit]

Place: Bandung/Central
Blurb: (should not exceed ~145 characters)
Article status: Guide (must be guide or above).
Time to feature: June to August
Nominated by: SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 04:01, 26 November 2021 (UTC)
Comment: If we want to feature a destination from SE Asia next southern winter.Reply[reply]

Nomination
Mesjid Agung Bandung.JPG
  • Close some fixes needed, but looks good. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 04:01, 26 November 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Close. Looks good in general, but should have a header for each section. For "Buy", what budget brackets for shopping can be found? For "Drink", during which hours are the bars most crowded? For "Stay safe", what kind of crime would a visitor need to prepare for? /Yvwv (talk) 21:35, 26 November 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Slush? With little improvements and another alternate Indonesian destination, any objections before I slush my own nomination? --SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 06:38, 24 January 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Indonesia is one of the countries with many guide-level article. This article is certainly not bad, but not the best of its country. /Yvwv (talk) 11:13, 24 January 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Ok sure. Slushing this. --SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 11:17, 24 January 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Amsterdam[edit]

Place: Amsterdam
Blurb: The Dutch capital is famous for liberal values and nightlife, manifested in Amsterdam Pride, opening 30 July. (should not exceed ~145 characters)
Article status: Guide (must be guide or above).
Time to feature: Northern summer is preferrable
Nominated by: Yvwv (talk) 12:11, 4 August 2021 (UTC)
Comment: Well-known destination yet to be featured. The article has all the essentials. Most district articles are good.Reply[reply]

Nomination
Amsterdam - Boat - 0635.jpg
  • Support - Great minds think alike etc., namely this is one of the articles I've been looking at for next summer's DotMs. A few small things; some sections of the article could use more photos, outdated information should be updated or deleted (a month or two before it's featured rather than now) and while the district articles look informative enough (and all at usable status, of course), it would be "nice but not mandatory" to find something to fill into their empty sections. --Ypsilon (talk) 13:26, 4 August 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Support. @FredTC: want anything to comment anything about this? --SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 13:57, 4 August 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I'm sorry to everyone, but I strongly oppose featuring this now. I've just removed a bunch of copyvio text (which looks like someone copied theirs) and so this needs a lot of work to bring it back. Due to this, I will be removing it off the list unless someone brings it back to a somewhat decent quality. (cc @Yvwv:). If anything, I'd slush this now. --SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 04:01, 23 January 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Support. As Ypsilon said, it needs a bit of work, but is a great candidate nonetheless. Especially the "Understand" paragraphs are completely blank for some districts, most notably the Canal District. Something to consider would be the districts of Amsterdam, since per March 2022, nearby Weesp will become a part of the municipality of Amsterdam. Logically, it would be included in our hierarchy as such as well. Additionally, it feels weird to me that Duivendrecht and Diemen aren't districts either. They may be different municipalities, but we don't have to be limited by that. That's an entirely different discussion though, but I am not sure whether to have that discussion before or after featuring this as DOTM. -- Wauteurz (talk) 15:25, 4 August 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Support per comments of those with local knowledge. As usual, some minor fixes would be appreciated. --Comment by Selfie City (talk | contributions) 11:08, 21 August 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Scheduled just before Pride 2022. /Yvwv (talk) 21:02, 2 November 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Slush? Until the copyvio thing is fully sorted out, should we slush this? We can renominate this later if improvements have been made. For its slot, I think Havana or Queensland are two viable options. --SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 06:13, 23 January 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

cc @Tai123.123:. --SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 09:28, 23 January 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Slushing makes sense. When it comes to scheduling, we should keep common practice only to schedule articles with at least one vote. Leave the slot empty until we have a candidate with some support. /Yvwv (talk) 11:07, 23 January 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Outcome: slushed due to copyvio. I'll try and work on it, but sometime soon. It can hopefully get renominated for 2023. --SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 11:14, 23 January 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Sochi[edit]

Place: Sochi
Blurb: The host city for the 2014 Winter Olympics is located between the Black Sea and the Caucasus. (should not exceed ~145 characters)
Article status: Guide (must be guide or above).
Time to feature: Northern summer is high season. Winter can also be considered.
Nominated by: Yvwv (talk) 15:15, 16 November 2021 (UTC)
Comment: We have not had too many Russian features. Sochi rarely has lingering snow, but Krasnaya Polyana and other ski resorts are nearby.Reply[reply]

Nomination
View on Sotsji from black sea.jpg
Slush? While no one has evaluated the article, Sochi is near the border to Ukraine. An escalated conflict might make Sochi an unsafe international destination. /Yvwv (talk) 18:33, 17 January 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Sure. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 21:19, 17 January 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
This is some distance from the border and is in Russia, and surely wouldn’t be harmed by the conflict. I’m not sure we need to slush at this point, although if outright war takes place in Donetsk, we might consider it. --Comment by Selfie City (talk) (contributions) 21:21, 17 January 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
It also needs a lot of work (such as coords). Ima slush this as the nominator is fine with it. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 03:45, 20 January 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Hollywood[edit]

Place: Hollywood
Blurb: Every year, loads of movie fans visit the center of America's entertainment industry (should not exceed ~145 characters)
Article status: Guide (must be guide or above).
Time to feature: I would guess summer but I don't know the city well, it may also be able to take Recife's spot or help organize the schedule around Recife's replacement, according to YVWV spring or autumn works better.
Nominated by: Tai123.123 (talk) 04:55, 26 October 2021 (UTC)
Comment: Every listing seems to have coords and it's suprising to me this hasn't been featured before (it also seems non of LA's districts have been featured), if a user who better knows the city can make a better blurb please do as I don't know LA that well, Beverly Hills also seems like a well developed South California articleReply[reply]

Nomination
Hollywood Sign.jpg
  • Close. The article needs a more substantial lead section, more on public transit within the district, and a stay safe section. Summers can be hot with great crowds at many venues, and we have many upcoming destinations in the US and elsewhere. Spring and autumn have the most comfortable weather. /Yvwv (talk) 17:14, 26 October 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Close per Yvwv. I also don't have too big of an issue with featuring three US destinations at once. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 05:18, 28 October 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]
On hold due to zero support votes and unfavourable weather. /Yvwv (talk) 20:26, 25 November 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Comment: I'll try to look over this article later, but I think the blurb is a little hyperbolic. To me, the strip in Hollywood is worth visiting once, kind of like Times Square (unless you're going to Broadway shows repeatedly), whereas L.A. is worth visiting over and over again. Much of the rest of the neighborhood is actually kind of rough, or has been the previous times I was in L.A. (the last time was a few years ago). Would you all consider changing the blurb to "Every year, loads of movie fans visit the center of America's entertainment industry, Hollywood" or some other alternative phrasing? Ikan Kekek (talk) 00:10, 21 December 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Yes Done I would also agree with you there. I went there in 2017 and it was certainly a nice place, but I wouldn't want to go there again and again. --SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 00:27, 21 December 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Slush? While this is a decent article, it has zero support votes, and a couple of unresolved issues two months into nomination. We have four scheduled features from the United States, and do not need this article for geographic diversity. /Yvwv (talk) 04:24, 28 December 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]

2021[edit]

Bingara[edit]

Place: Bingara
Blurb: While Bingara is not well known itself, the nearby Myall Creek is known for its massacre which happened on June 10 1838, where it was the first time European settlers were executed for murdering indigenous Australians. (should not exceed ~145 characters)
Article status: Guide (must be guide or above).
Time to feature: May-June 2023
Nominated by: SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 23:02, 10 October 2021 (UTC)
Comment: I'd like to particularly feature this article to commemorate this article 185 years after the massacre, in 2023. KevRobbAU/KevRobbSCO put a lot of work into this article, and it'd be a nice thing to feature it then.Reply[reply]

Nomination
Bingara Dec 07.JPG
  • Close. Needs a general description, climate information, and more material on Do. Cope and Go next sections could be trimmed down. /Yvwv (talk) 22:14, 14 October 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Comment: An article should preferrably be nominated with the intention to feature within 12 months. Even in a cases where we have the schedule set for 6-12 months, a newly nominated article can make it into the schedule if it has very high quality, if it is very appropriate for a specific month, or if another article is slushed. Looking at the climate, the southern winter seems a bit cold (and we usually have plenty of northern hemisphere candidates for May to August). Shall we consider November to April? /Yvwv (talk) 12:47, 16 October 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]
The only issue with featuring it between Nov-April is that the massacre happened on June 10 1838, so hence why I proposed it to be either featured on May or June, exactly 185 years after the massacre. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 12:51, 16 October 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Will there be any organized events for commemoration? /Yvwv (talk) 21:40, 17 October 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Not sure. You'd have to ask KevRobbSCO although he retired from Wikivoyage. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 21:43, 17 October 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I did find a website, but to see whether there may be any organized events would have to be a wait for 2023. The AWE also doesn't have much, at least not yet. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 21:47, 17 October 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@Yvwv: I had a look into Bingara's official site. The main info "An annual Friends of Myall Creek Memorial Service attracts people from all over the country and is held every June long weekend at the Myall Creek Memorial monument". So yep, there is an organised event happening. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 09:03, 20 October 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Slush? Zero support votes and many unaddressed issues. We have many other Australian articles which make the cut. If this article has improved by mid-2022, we can nominate it again for 2023. /Yvwv (talk) 16:44, 22 December 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]
ok sure. feel free to. If anything, waiting till 2038 for the 200th anniversary would seem a much better alternative to me. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 20:40, 22 December 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]
New England National Park could be another alternative that we could feature during that time which is up-to-date as well. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 05:35, 23 December 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Dakar[edit]

Place: Dakar
Blurb: The capital of Senegal, and formerly for the whole of French West Africa, lies on Africa's westernmost point. (should not exceed ~145 characters)
Article status: Guide (must be guide or above).
Time to feature: November to May, weather-wise.
Nominated by: Yvwv (talk) 13:19, 12 November 2021 (UTC)
Comment: Slushed in 2013, but has improved a lot since then. We have had a severe deficit of African DoTMs, and this article meets the criteria for Guide status. As the city is fairly big, we can consider districtification.Reply[reply]

Nomination
Dakars Mamelles (5824544243).jpg
  • Not yet' eat section and sleep section needs coords. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 19:13, 12 November 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Comment I remember the issue that came up in 2013 is that no-one who had actually lived in or visited the city had edited or judged the article. Is that still the case? I'd like to hear from some people who know the city. If we don't hear from any such people, we should presumably slush the nomination again. Ikan Kekek (talk) 21:51, 14 November 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    Maybe I could get someone from fr.voy to expand it? But that's of course, if they know English although it's still possible to expand an article without knowing a language. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 06:45, 15 November 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Sure, but what's more important isn't so much that they speak French (several regulars here can get their way around written French, including me) but that they've at least visited the city and can judge the quality and accuracy of the article. Ikan Kekek (talk) 07:07, 15 November 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    The language thing isn't so important, but the main point is that for them to judge the quality of the article, they need to know some English to judge the quality and accuracy. There's quite a fair amount of users on fr that can only speak French there, or have a very basic knowledge of anglais. But I suppose I could cross check this article to the one on fr (another French speaker here, although it's not great). SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 07:11, 15 November 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    Actually, forget that, because the fr article is only an outline article, although it looks usable to me. Maybe the pt article might be better, but I'm a pt-0 and would defer to someone who can read Portuguese. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 07:14, 15 November 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Slush? Seems as if no-one here has the first-hand experience to give this world city the detailed description it deserves. /Yvwv (talk) 01:39, 28 December 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Slush. Lack of co-ords as mentioned above, several places have broken links, & intro to sleep says "Many first time visitors stay at the expensive Meridien." but there's no listing for it. Pashley (talk) 01:54, 28 December 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]


Pyongyang[edit]

Place: Pyongyang
Blurb: North Korea's capital is a showcase of the Juche state ideology, and the destination for most of the very few foreign visitors to the country. (should not exceed ~145 characters)
Article status: Guide (must be guide or above).
Time to feature: May-June or Sept-Oct, weather-wise. Not sure about visitors' chances to participate in public holidays.
Nominated by: Yvwv (talk) 16:28, 12 December 2021 (UTC)
Comment: Million-sized cities normally go under DoTM, but North Korea's harsh immigration policy (and limited appeal for mainstream tourists) place the country among next-to-impossible destinations. Slushed in 2009, but has improved a lot since then. We had no features from North Korea, and not too many from South Korea.Reply[reply]

Nomination
Victorious Fatherland Liberation War Museum and Ryugyong Hotel (11342673725).jpg
  • Question: are there any Wikivoyagers who've been here? I'm wary of featuring an article that's based purely on online research, especially for a quirky and difficult-to-visit destination like Pyongyang. I'd like to get confirmation that there are no severe gaps in coverage and that the information presented is coherent and useful for a traveller to Pyongyang. —Granger (talk · contribs) 05:16, 14 December 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Oppose In addition to what Granger said, there's a lot of work needed for a dotm. The sleep section is one example, where it says "This will be arranged by your tour company". Ok, but where do you arrange your tour company. In addition, does Pyongyang not have street addresses? Because only a handful of listings have street addresses. But overall, this seems more a usable article to me rather than a guide. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 09:38, 16 December 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]
On another note, would Pyongyang be a dotm or an otbp? SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 21:55, 21 December 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I think otbp is right. For an international traveller, Pyongyang is off the beaten path by any sensible definition. —Granger (talk · contribs) 19:39, 28 December 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]
This reminded me of the Otto Warmbier incident. I'm not sure we should be advocating travel to North Korea. --Comment by Selfie City (talk) (contributions) 20:16, 28 December 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Not at the moment According to North Korea, "North Korea has shut down its border to foreign tourists." due to Covid-19, which is confirmed by a tour operator. Until multiple operators are running trips to Pyongyang, we can't check the information in the article (unless an editor has been there). One detail point: Both the North Korea and the Pyongyang articles refer to a "Youth Hotel" without giving an address. AlasdairW (talk) 23:31, 28 December 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Given the above information, I vote to slush. --Comment by Selfie City (talk) (contributions) 13:42, 29 December 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Venice[edit]

Place: Venice
Blurb: Venice was the cradle of the Italian Renaissance. Canal boats are used to get around the city, which has plenty of merchant palaces and other decorated buildings. (should not exceed ~145 characters)
Article status: Guide (must be guide or above).
Time to feature: Spring or autumn. We can consider February 2022 for the Venice Carnival.
Nominated by: Yvwv (talk) 21:37, 1 July 2021 (UTC)
Comment: Well-known destination that has yet to be featured. Slushed in 2018, but has improved a lot since then.Reply[reply]

Nomination
Venezia-punta della dogana.jpg
  • Close though the article is in a better shape than the last time it was nominated. Issues with the article are: listings without descriptions (for example churches in See, (provided they're all notable enough to be included)), listings without coordinates, and there are some parts of the article that could use more photos. --Ypsilon (talk) 19:39, 3 July 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]
In addition, if the Carnival defines when Venice will be featured, then we should run it in February only if the Carnival actually takes place. Otherwise later in the year, or perhaps Feb 2023. --Ypsilon (talk) 04:16, 8 September 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]
According to Venice's tourist website, the Carnival will be held without restrictions. /Yvwv (talk) 13:46, 11 September 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I change my vote from supporto to on hold as well, until the districtification things are sorted out. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 09:53, 6 October 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Hold it. User:Jonte-- started a Venice/Santa Croce article on September 1. There is also a Venice/San Polo article that Jonte-- stated in the Talk:Venice#Districts thread that they started on August 31. We can't feature this article until there is agreement about whether or how the city should be districtified on Wikivoyage, and then if it is, for the moves of listings and some other content to the district articles to be completed. Right now, there isn't even a discussion of districts, just a user who is unilaterally starting some district articles with the encouragement of one other user, without there being a Venice#Districts section where they are listed and linked or even a proposal that covers the entire city. Ikan Kekek (talk) 09:49, 6 October 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    Agreed, maybe we need to continue or discussion a bit more before. I don't think the main article is very good at the moment, it's cluttered and features too many listings per section. I'll write down a proposal of districts and we can start a more thorough work. Jonte-- (talk) 07:47, 7 October 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • I propose we slush this nomination and only nominate it when we feel the article is good enough to be nominated for DOTM. --Comment by Selfie City (talk | contributions) 21:48, 10 October 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    Agree Tai123.123 (talk) 21:51, 10 October 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    Until we get the districts sorted out. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 21:56, 10 October 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    If we slush Venice, do we have a candidate for February? Melbourne/City Centre should not run so close to Sydney, Amsterdam is too cold, and Orlando still has some issues. Shall we schedule Addis Ababa? /Yvwv (talk) 22:27, 10 October 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    Orlando is much better now than when it was nominated. Articles such as this one from AP News concern me as they indicate the war is spreading. Otherwise, I would consider Addis Ababa to be the best candidate. I'll look for another nomination. --Comment by Selfie City (talk | contributions) 22:31, 10 October 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    I was looking at other Italian cities and Turin looks good but it’s is only usable but I feel it could be updated to Guide as it looks good. If we were to feature Turin may would be better though as it’s hosting Eurovision 2022. Tai123.123 (talk) 22:39, 10 October 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    Okay, I didn't see this, and I've nominated San Antonio. Turin looks good as well. We can nominate Turin now and add San Antonio at a later time. --Comment by Selfie City (talk | contributions) 22:46, 10 October 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    The page name issue with Melbourne/City Centre also needs to get sorted out (see Talk:Melbourne/City Centre, given that the term "city centre" or "city center" does not have the same meaning as it does in other Commonwealth countries in Australia. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 22:48, 10 October 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]
We have a candidate for February. If we can reasonably get Venice districtified for October 2022, the nomination should remain. Otherwise we should slush. /Yvwv (talk) 12:09, 14 October 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Slush? There has not been much improvement lately, and the first suitable slot for this article would be in early 2023. If the article is in better shape by mid-2022, we can nominate again. /Yvwv (talk) 12:42, 20 December 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Well, since it has zero support votes, and you as the nominator are ok with it, then sure. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 12:54, 20 December 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]


Orlando[edit]

Place: Orlando
Blurb: Orlando is the world capital of theme parks, energetic spirit that almost never slows, and with an estimated 52 million visitors a year. (should not exceed ~145 characters)
Article status: Usable (must be guide or above).
Time to feature: December-July
Nominated by: SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 10:21, 4 August 2021 (UTC)
Comment: Great article and I am actually surprised it has yet to be featured.Reply[reply]

Nomination
ICON Orlando Observation Wheel.jpg
  • Comment: I question "Any time of the year". I think it shouldn't be featured during hurricane season or summertime. Winter is probably the best time to feature, followed by early spring and late fall. Hurricane season is getting worse and longer, but here's some basic information]: June 1-November 30, but especially August-October. So I think we should probably recommend a feature between December and April or so. Ikan Kekek (talk) 10:45, 4 August 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Changed. Maybe I'm quite biased since I've been here only in July all the times I've been here. I suppose SelfieCity is a better person to comment. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 10:50, 4 August 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • (edit conflict) Needs work. Many of the listings are not in Orlando, but suburbs of Orlando. This is an important distinction similar to suburbs of Atlanta, as suburbs have an identity of their own, particularly (in Orlando’s case) on the northeastern side of the city. As for time of year, I’d lean toward a spring or fall feature, which is the best time of year: November and April-May are probably the best times of year. I can do some work on the article, of course, but I can’t be sure how moving the listings to nearby suburbs would affect the region. --Comment by Selfie City (talk | contributions) 10:52, 4 August 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • So winter isn't a very good time to visit? I would have guessed it was, but I've actually never been to Orlando. Ikan Kekek (talk) 10:56, 4 August 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]
It’s not a bad time to visit, but particularly the north can get cold spells, though nothing like NY. People visiting Florida expect warm weather, and you don’t get that about half of the time in winter, particularly inland. The weather stabilizes in spring and becomes warm but not hot until late May or June, so it seems to be the optimal time to feature. --Comment by Selfie City (talk | contributions) 11:00, 4 August 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I mean, how cold are we talking? Also, "time" extends till July above. Can we cut that back to early May? Ikan Kekek (talk) 21:41, 14 November 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • (edit conflict) Hurricanes are serious in Florida, but I’d say the summer heat and humidity is a stronger reason not to feature Orlando then. As an inland, more northern location, Orlando rarely gets them, while the Keys and the southern parts of each coast that are the most vulnerable. However, the humidity and heat makes summer unpleasant and there’s no coastal of Gulf Stream effect to moderate the temperature. --Comment by Selfie City (talk | contributions) 10:57, 4 August 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Needs work - still at usable status, meaning it's not eligible for nomination but it probably could qualify for guide status. Some listings lack coordinates and/or contact information. A few more photos here and there wouldn't hurt, and are there just 8 things in Orlando worth listing in See? Time-wise, as others have pointed out, not during the hurricane season, and I believe summer can be pretty hot, so winter or spring would probably be optimal. --Ypsilon (talk) 13:50, 4 August 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I wouldn't say summer is hot in Orlando. But that's just me. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 13:54, 4 August 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]

[undent]: According to the climate chart, average high temperatures are at 90 or above from June-September. I think that's pretty hot, though you might be used to hotter temperatures in Australia and the average lows are OK every month. By the way, all the winter months look quite comfortable to me. The lowest average low is 49 in January, and unless there's more than a light breeze, that's probably just long sleeves and a cordoroy jacket for me, though I know the Floridians are likely to turn on their electric blankets and wear sweaters indoors. Ikan Kekek (talk) 21:45, 14 November 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]

I can do some work on this article and I can probably get it up to guide and therefore DOTM-ready status, especially with help. However, I’ve been focused on getting outline city articles to usable status lately, and I’ve substantially improved at least fifty articles. If I manage to get the vast majority to usable status, which is my goal, I’ll think about whether to proceed with finer adjustments, such as getting some city articles to guide status, improving region articles and improving the articles of major cities such as Jacksonville, Orlando, Tampa, and Miami. Florida’s articles were in bad shape when I started this work about a year ago, and their status has a come a long way, but Florida is a big place, with a population probably not far off that of Australia, and rising fast, so it’s a huge task. --Comment by Selfie City (talk | contributions) 15:06, 4 August 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I did some work on this article and is significantly closer to where it should be. Hopefully within the next few months it can be ready. --Comment by Selfie City (talk | contributions) 20:33, 7 September 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Support. Most issues mentioned above have been addressed, and this article is clearly superior to Recife, which still has zero support votes and is not worked on. We should however avoid two back-to-back DoTMs from the same country. See talk page for suggestion. /Yvwv (talk) 22:13, 25 October 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • How can the nomination of a usable article be supported? Unless or until this is classed as a guide, it's per se ineligible for consideration. Is it properly a guide? Ikan Kekek (talk) 21:47, 14 November 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]
As DoTM got more competitive, we can afford to be strict with the criteria. We will not feature Orlando before northern autumn 2022 in any case. /Yvwv (talk) 02:47, 15 November 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Slush? This article has not improved much for a few months. We have plenty of good candidates, some of them from the United States. If the article is better in mid-2022, we can nominate it for early 2023. /Yvwv (talk) 16:10, 11 December 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]


Buenos Aires[edit]

Place: Buenos Aires
Blurb: Buenos Aires, the capital of Argentina, is one of Latin America's largest and most cosmopolitan cities. (should not exceed ~145 characters)
Article status: Guide (must be guide or above).
Time to feature: Sep-May (yes, while temperatures it can be run in the Austral summer too like Montevideo and several Aussie articles at the same latitude, the more possible monther the more chances to feature it)
Nominated by: Yvwv (talk) 22:32, 7 September 2021 (UTC)
Comment: We have not featured too many South American destinations. This article has the essentials, except a good lead section.Reply[reply]

Nomination
Port skyline & Women's Bridge.jpg
  • Close some minor brushups needed, but otherwise LGTM. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 23:58, 7 September 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Comment- quite good article, though it could use a few more pics here and there. Will probably sit around until Norhtern Winter 2022-23 so improvements and updates that are done now may need to be redone closer to when its featured. --Ypsilon (talk) 15:25, 11 September 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Slush? No support votes, some defined issues, and no significant improvement. Common practice is to slush three months past nomination. /Yvwv (talk) 19:05, 25 November 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Guadalupe Island[edit]

Place: Guadalupe Island
Blurb: A volcanic island off the coast of Mexico's Baja California, Guadalupe Island is one dramatic volcanic island that's not the type of ordinary sub-tropical Mexican island. (should not exceed ~145 characters)
Article status: Guide (must be guide or above).
Time to feature: Not sure, but sometime outside winter (outside June to September)
Nominated by: SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 11:28, 5 November 2021 (UTC)
Comment: Great article. It's been some time since we've had Mexican articles, and here's one good one. And we've also rarely featured places that have barely anyone living in it, and this seems a good article to use for armchair travelling.Reply[reply]

Nomination
Guadalupe Island.jpg
  • Very very close. A climate section would be nice, even if its a one liner but it's not a big issue. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 11:28, 5 November 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Comment, it was slushed in 2018 as some content was speculation based, is it better now Tai123.123 (talk) 14:49, 5 November 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Not yet and probably not at all. It was slushed in 2018 - at the time I had doubts about the accuracy of the article, and the major issue was that there was no information on how to apply for a permit to land, which other sources suggested was required. To quote from my earlier review:" I don't think that we should feature somewhere that no contributor has visited unless there are reliable published sources of visitor information." AlasdairW (talk) 14:52, 5 November 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    We once featured Nauru, and I'm also pretty sure no contributor has ever visited Nauru before (it gets around a few hundred visitors a year). SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 22:21, 5 November 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    The difference is that there is a Nauru government webpage about visting the island - a "reliable published source". In 2018, I looked for information on visiting Guadalupe Island and the best I could find were academic journals in Spanish. A diving operator says that a permit is required to visit the island, but gives no details. I think that the article should be downgraded, or a warning box added encouraging readers to check the information. AlasdairW (talk) 11:24, 6 November 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Oppose. I wrote much of this article. However, I've never been there; I wrote it purely as an effort to improve our coverage about difficult-to-access destinations. I thought it was at usable status. However, despite it being at guide status now, I don't support featuring it, as much of the information ought to be improved and put into perspective by a local or visitor, and likely the latter given the low level of development on this island. --Comment by Selfie City (talk) (contributions) 16:01, 6 November 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Slush? With the addressed problems and very little improvement since nomination, we can consider the nomination to fail for this time. /Yvwv (talk) 03:58, 28 November 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I agree, slush. I think the problems discussed in the previous nomination are significant enough that this article should not be featured until it has at least been checked by someone who's been to the island. —Granger (talk · contribs) 16:13, 30 November 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]


Recife[edit]

Place: Recife
Blurb: There are many sides to Recife, the city is steeped in colonial history but famed for its urban beaches too. (should not exceed ~145 characters)
Article status: Guide (must be guide or above).
Time to feature: Oct-Jan
Nominated by: Ypsilon (talk) 11:06, 2 April 2021 (UTC)
Comment: Time to add more suggestions for late 2021/early 2022. Recife has been a guide article since Wikitravel times so it's about time to feature it. Listings of places apparently not anymore in business were deleted by me a while ago (and others including Ibaman and Lazarus1255 have also worked extensively on the article over the last year). Some listings still lack a description but otherwise it's a solid article I think.Reply[reply]

Nomination
Boa viagem.jpg
With zero support votes, no work done for the last few months and a bad pandemic situation in Brazil, we might consider to put Recife on hold. We could do Mui Ne or Orlando in January. /Yvwv (talk) 21:59, 7 September 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]
The pandemic shouldn't be a good reason to put things on hold. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 22:38, 7 September 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Agree with SHB and the article doesn't have that many issues. As I said above, Ibaman and Lazarus made many edits to the article in 2020, and I deleted places that were out of business in January this year. It probably just needs a similar inspection before its featured, to be scheduled a month or two before that. --Ypsilon (talk) 04:22, 8 September 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Yes, but we need some consensus to support before we can feature. It is concerning how many nominations do not receive four support votes before being featured. Let's definitely review this article before it goes on the main page. --Comment by Selfie City (talk | contributions) 21:46, 10 October 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]

On hold. Could possibly be featured in late 2022, so IMO there is no need to slush. /Yvwv (talk) 13:13, 26 October 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Slush? No one seems to care for the article anymore. We have many fine candidates lined up now, though it would be nice to see more South American articles. /Yvwv (talk) 03:51, 28 November 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Only if Ypsilon is ok with that. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 10:31, 2 December 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I'm inactive at Wikivoyage at the moment, do as you like. Ypsilon (talk) 13:25, 2 December 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Ok, then Yvwv, go ahead SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 23:05, 3 December 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Ștefănești[edit]

Place: Ștefănești
Blurb: Home town of Brătianu Family, who gave important figures for Romania, have a diversity of historical, natural attractions. (should not exceed ~145 characters)
Article status: Guide (must be guide or above).
Time to feature: I guess May-June.
Nominated by: Romanichthys Valsanicola 12:58, 4 August 2021 (EET)
Comment: I have been working hard on this article for almost 1 year, of which I am proud and I want to promote it by nominating it. Anyone is welcome to review my article in case any mistakes are found.

Nomination
2019 Conacul Brătianu - Vila „Florica” 01.jpg
  • Needs work - Nice to see articles nominated from countries we haven't ever featured on the Main Page before! Though there are at least two issues with Ștefănești - the banner size (it should have a 7:1 proportion, now it's too tall) and many listings don't have a description or contact information including street address. --Ypsilon (talk) 10:12, 4 August 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Needs work per Ypsilon Some work on the sections "Eat" and "Drink" would get us much closer to nomination status. This work needs to be done to maintain guide status, also. --Comment by Selfie City (talk | contributions) 15:21, 4 August 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Needs work per above. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 22:44, 12 August 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Needs work I have fixed the banner. However listings are lacking in details. Do includes this: "DJ741. Try to drive on this spectacular road modernized in 2016 between Mioveni and Stefanesti, project financed by Argeș County Council." - it might be a good rural road to drive on for the views, but you don't just drive on because the council paid for it. AlasdairW (talk) 22:59, 12 August 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]
On hold due to zero support votes and several unaddressed issues. /Yvwv (talk) 21:11, 11 November 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Slush? The article has been up for nomination for more than three months, with zero support votes and several unaddressed issues. /Yvwv (talk) 21:24, 17 November 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Well it would be unfair towards the nominator who nominated this article as they've been working on this for over a year, but otherwise, I'm ok with slushing. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 10:25, 18 November 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Brunswick (Maine)[edit]

Place: Brunswick, ME
Blurb: This little New England charmer boasts a historical setting, fine dining options, and lush countryside close at hand. (should not exceed ~145 characters)
Article status: Guide (must be guide or above).
Time to feature: May-Oct; but things are open year round here
Nominated by: ButteBag (talk)
Comment: I think this is pretty complete, and there was even a Commons user who had some great photographs I was able to make use of. Thanks!

Nomination
Winter Morning (11751674425).jpg
  • Almost. Well-written article, and it seems to cover the destination well. A bunch of listings still need coordinates, but other than that it looks good to me. —Granger (talk · contribs) 00:36, 17 February 2020 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Close - Overall this is a good article for a small town but listings from Do onward need coordinates, there are places in Drink that are just mentioned but should be listingfied and finally a few Sleep listings lack descriptions. --Ypsilon (talk) 19:01, 24 February 2020 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Almost per others. ButteBag, if you know the area, which I assume you do, perhaps you could make the changes we've suggested. If so, I'm sure this would make a good featured article! --Comment by Selfie City (talk | contributions) 15:45, 26 March 2020 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Not yet coords needed for the Do section, and drink section could be properly formatted. Some other cleanups needed but I'll try and fix that. Also, what does "Yes it's Maine, but you're still in civilization." mean? (I'm not that familiar with NE US) SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 09:34, 13 September 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Zero support votes and almost no improvement for 18 months. Another New England destination is up for nomination now. Time to slush? /Yvwv (talk) 14:48, 1 October 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I'd prefer the other NE destination to be featured than Brunswick. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 14:50, 1 October 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Well, I think that'd be unfair towards the article's main contributor User:ButteBag who has also nominated it. Years before the article will be featured and comparatively little to fix in the article is a combination that doesn't motivate people to improve the article. To make sure the articles are up to date, improvements are better done closer to the time its featured (June 2022 or thereabouts) than now, let alone a year and a half ago. If anything, articles that are seemingly in a mint condition but haven't been touched in, say, half a year before they're supposed to be featured should be postponed or slushed. --Ypsilon (talk) 15:42, 1 October 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Hello! I added a bunch of co-ords some time ago. I wasn't under the impression everything needed to be listing-ified to be nominated. Probably most listings are different now, as I had visited in pre-covid times. Slush away. ButteBag (talk) 18:28, 13 October 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Space[edit]

Place: Space
Blurb: From launch sites and museums to the destination itself visited by relatively few, space is both literally and figuratively a destination out of this world. (should not exceed ~145 characters)
Article status: Guide (must be guide or above).
Time to feature: Any
Nominated by: Ypsilon (talk) 17:08, 14 August 2021 (UTC)
Comment: Nominated and slushed in 2010, back then apparently because there weren't many space exploration related attractions on Earth listed and because of a lack of space flights other than normal missions occasionally taking a passenger with them. Eleven years later, we have such places listed and the article was overall improved and promoted to guide status last year. In addition, a month ago Branson and Bezos flew to space with their spaceships together with a couple of passengers so the flights are definitely here (not for everyone of course, but possibly still for hundreds of people every year).Reply[reply]

There may be a thing or two that needs to be updated before we run the article, for instance the commercial space flights the companies are or will be selling tickets to.

Nomination
Earth from space.jpg
  • Almost. --Ypsilon (talk) 17:08, 14 August 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Needs work per Ypsilon, to make sure the science/technology information is accurate. If and when, I'd be able to support featuring this article. --Comment by Selfie City (talk | contributions) 18:33, 21 August 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Not yetOppose this article is far too western centred. The number of listings that related to the countries of former Soviet Union has only four listings, and there's only one listing related to China. Why is there none in Africa? A FTT can't be western centred, because after all, we are an international travel guide. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 22:33, 23 August 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    China and Soviet should obviously be handled better, but Africa hasn't exactly been the prime actor in the Space Race, so it not featuring prominently does not mean much. Of course, African sites should be added when they pop into mind. –LPfi (talk) 06:31, 24 August 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    I was thinking of Sansa sites in South Africa. Don't know any in mind, but there'd certainly be some. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 06:42, 24 August 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Yes, do add African sites if you can come to think of some, I wasn't aware of such places in Africa other than some NASA's space shuttle launch abort landing sites, and those may not be much to look at, particularly now as the space shuttle program is discontinued. --Ypsilon (talk) 10:27, 25 August 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Comment: I'm wondering if space as a travel topic (for visiting launch sites, museums, observatories etc) would be better treated as a separate article to space as a destination? Yes, a literal interpretation of the latter is only available for a few disgustingly wealthy and selfish shits at the moment, but there are other "almost space" attractions out there for people with more normal incomes, from zero gravity experiences both at ground level and in aircraft, to tourist-oriented astronaut training programmes with NASA and simulated space missions, not to mention astronomy, scientifically-realistic video games etc. An article that summarises the ways you can actually get to space (or to the next best thing) would probably have enough content to exist separate from an article about space-themed sites on Earth.--ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 16:52, 24 August 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Comment: This article is categorized with Other destinations. Should we nominate it as Off the beaten path instead? /Yvwv (talk) 17:54, 24 August 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Very good question. But I think the answer hinges on whether my above point about splitting is a valid one. Space-themed attractions are usually very much on the beaten path for millions as long as their location is accessible, and collectively form a strong travel topic. Space itself is obviously as far off the beaten path as you can get (though perhaps the ocean floor is less visited).--ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 18:06, 24 August 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I don't think there is too much of a difference between visiting sites with "zero gravity experiences" and visiting museums and launch sites. Both are places not in space, but scattered around the globe, in the usual fashion handled by our travel topic articles. If we treat Space as a real destination article, then it is for those "few disgustingly wealthy and selfish shits" and coach travellers dreaming of being one of them (to be rude – in your coach you can of course disregard the monetary and environmental aspects, with no harm done). –LPfi (talk) 09:36, 25 August 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]
It used to be an "Other destination" article, in 2017 I suggested it to be moved to a travel topic for the reason that for virtually everyone "Space travel" means looking at the sky or visiting related places on Earth. Can't remember if it was me who moved it to travel topic, but apparently it's an Other destination again. --Ypsilon (talk) 10:27, 25 August 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]
(edit conflict) I could see the merits of a “space museums and sites” article distinct from space itself. --Comment by Selfie City (talk | contributions) 10:28, 25 August 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I created Space flight sites from the relevant sections of the space article. /Yvwv (talk) 16:17, 30 August 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]
OK, good. --Comment by Selfie City (talk | contributions) 16:35, 30 August 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]
With zero support votes, a couple of issues pointed out, and very little work done since nomination, we should consider slushing. /Yvwv (talk) 14:05, 28 September 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I would support slushing per Yvwv. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 14:10, 28 September 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I don't. There's more than half a year before the article will be featured. Ypsilon (talk) 14:26, 28 September 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Shall we have a rule of thumb to slush an article if it goes for 3 months with zero support votes? Then we have until mid-November to improve the article. There can of course be exceptions. If a nomination is clearly unsuitable it can be slushed faster, if it is near completion it can get more time. /Yvwv (talk) 14:20, 3 October 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I don’t know if we need a rule for this, but the principle is a good one and I would support slushing this article unless we see some willingness from someone to improve the article. --Comment by Selfie City (talk | contributions) 17:04, 16 October 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]
As a rule of thumb, we should slush when there are zero support votes, serious deficiencies in the article, and no great improvements for 3 months since nomination. Time to slush on 14 November, in other words. /Yvwv (talk) 21:29, 2 November 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@Yvwv: It's the 14th now. Slush? SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 08:25, 14 November 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Addis Ababa[edit]

Place: Addis Ababa
Blurb: Addis Ababa is the world's third highest capital city, and is a major hub for East Africa (should not exceed ~145 characters)
Article status: Guide (must be guide or above).
Time to feature: Spring or Autumn? Oct-May are dry and even as night temperatures some months are below +10°C which I think Andre sometime used as a standard, day temperatures are well above +20°C so it's not too cold
Nominated by: SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 23:53, 10 August 2021 (UTC)
Comment: We rarely feature African cities, and I thought why not?Reply[reply]

Nomination
Ethiopian National Museum in Addis Ababa.jpg
But isn't the war in Tigray, which is about 1000km north of Addis Ababa? SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 00:02, 11 August 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Article quote (linked above): “The deadly fighting has now spread beyond Tigray into neighboring regions, and fracturing in Africa’s second most populous country could destabilize the entire Horn of Africa region.” Not to mention that a military draft indicates those across the country will be impacted. --Comment by Selfie City (talk | contributions) 00:32, 11 August 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]
That is something we can figure out later. Should there actually be a war going on (or a risk for such) in or near the city itself anytime before its time to feature we should slush or postpone it. --Ypsilon (talk) 18:23, 12 August 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Close - One of the articles I updated using Internet sources a year ago or so, because we usually have a shortage of articles featurable during the colder half of the year in the Northern Hemisphere winter and African articles. I planned to nominate this sometime later on myself. The article may need some minor updates before going live and some listings need a description. --Ypsilon (talk) 18:13, 12 August 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@Ypsilon, SelfieCity: although it might be better to wait until we have the time issue fixed. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 23:31, 4 September 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Agreed. --Comment by Selfie City (talk | contributions) 23:44, 4 September 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Next Northern winter is full so there will be more than a year before we run the article. Whatever work is made on the article today may need to be redone closer to the time it's featured. --Ypsilon (talk) 15:21, 11 September 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Scheduled for February. If not safe, we can run Lisbon, as we have few European articles in this season. /Yvwv (talk) 00:17, 4 November 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Security update: The United States has issued a "Do not travel" warning for the entire Ethiopia due to the uncontrolled civil war, and other countries have leveled their travel warnings (Australia: Reconsider need to travel, Canada: Avoid non-essential travel, UK: Against all or all but essential travel, consider leave).
While it may be too subjective, I have a feeling of Addis Ababa becoming Kabul No. 2 (or Saigon No. 3). Unless we see some Warsaw miracle, perhaps for some time we should consider Lisbon with priority for the coming DotM.廣九直通車 (talk) 08:30, 4 November 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]
On hold due to emergency. /Yvwv (talk) 12:19, 4 November 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Slush? The emergency is not likely to be resolved within 12 months, or long time enough to put the nomination on hold. /Yvwv (talk) 15:42, 8 November 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Grand-Bassam[edit]

Place: Grand-Bassam
Blurb: Grand-Bassam is a UNESCO world heritage site, filled with French colonialism to the brim. (should not exceed ~145 characters)
Article status: Guide (must be guide or above).
Time to feature: Not sure From the slush discussion referred to in my comment: Jul-Aug or Nov-Mar per [1]
Nominated by: SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 09:46, 12 August 2021 (UTC)
Comment: Great article and I don't think we've ever featured an article from Côte d'Ivoire, and it might be a first if we do:)Reply[reply]

Nomination
800px-Grand-Bassam.jpg
  • Comment - it was slushed in 2015 apparentl because it was hard to verify the listings. Perhaps Internet coverage has become better since? --Ypsilon (talk) 17:52, 12 August 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Not yet. Needs history, climate and vicinity information at the very least. /Yvwv (talk) 13:31, 3 October 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Slush? For nearly 3 months the article had zero support votes, and almost no improvement. Unless there is a specific reason to keep voting, that is a reasonable threshold for slushing. /Yvwv (talk) 20:05, 2 November 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Agree as nominator. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 20:38, 2 November 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Seville[edit]

Place: Seville
Blurb: In the city of flamenco you can find many things Spain is famous for; architecture from many eras, tapas, events and nightlife! (should not exceed ~145 characters)
Article status: Guide (must be guide or above).
Time to feature: Spring or fall probably, winter might be a bit chilly but summer is insanely hot
Nominated by: Ypsilon (talk) 18:00, 1 July 2021 (UTC)
Comment: There's been a while since I last posted a nomination for DotM, so here comes Seville. Articles at guide status that have so big issues they should almost be demoted, I usually clean up, expand and update before even thinking about nominating them. Now Seville isn't that bad but it does need a bit more info in Understand and Drink, Eat needs price categories and in all sections there are a few listings without coordinates. Things that could be taken care of closer to the time it's featured (just like with Ljubljana which I plan to start working on possibly already this weekend). Seville was nominated & slushed 11 years ago, but those issues (more pics, "suffers greatly from lack of proper formatting", info in See and Do that should be in Get around) have been largely resolved.Reply[reply]

Nomination
Plaza Virgen de los Reyes, Seville, Spain - Sep 2009.jpg
  • Some work needed per my comment above. --Ypsilon (talk) 18:00, 1 July 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Needs work per nomination. --Comment by Selfie City (talk | contributions) 18:40, 21 July 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Not yet. Looks good overall, but lacks climate and safety information (pickpockets should be mentioned). More information about flamenco would be appreciated. With these additions, Seville would be good to go in spring 2022. /Yvwv (talk) 09:25, 13 September 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Needs work per Yvwv and Ypsilon. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 09:29, 13 September 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Slush? For four months, we had zero support votes, and very little work done. We have a bunch of strong candidates from Latin Europe. /Yvwv (talk) 16:02, 2 November 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I'm fine with slushing. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 19:52, 2 November 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Mamallapuram[edit]

Place: Mamallapuram
Blurb: This world heritage town is all about stone carvings - and it's a place to learn the craft if you're interested. (should not exceed ~145 characters)
Article status: Guide (must be guide or above).
Time to feature: Weatherwise Jan-Apr, driest time of the year and warm but not too hot
Nominated by: Ypsilon (talk) 20:12, 8 March 2021 (UTC)
Comment: Every now and then we've featured Indian articles, but for a OtBP feature we have to look back as far as early 2013. Unfortunately many articles from there tend to be made up of long lists of stuff, but this one seemed to have more descriptions. A year ago I went through the article adding coordinates and deleting places that were out of business, could perhaps use a new checkthrough closer to when it's featured, likely early 2022.Reply[reply]

Nomination
Butter Ball, Mahabalipuram.jpg
  • Support as nominator, though a couple of listings could use a longer description (possibly it could be a good time to do that if the article per above is updated closer to when it's featured). Ypsilon (talk) 20:12, 8 March 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Support but it could use a bit of polishing. Pashley (talk) 11:29, 2 April 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Almost per Pashley. The fact there are no "Do" listings doesn't seem good enough, in my opinion, for a featured article. --Comment by Selfie City (talk | contributions) 21:52, 18 June 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • I've done a copy-editing pass, got rid of many oddities probably introduced by Indian editors with good but not perfect English. It needs to have someone else take a look, find what I missed.
I'd have this as DotM, not OtBP. It is one of the region's main tourist draws & a World Heritage site. Pashley (talk) 02:07, 14 July 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]

@Ypsilon, Pashley, SelfieCity: since quite a lot of work is needed to be on the main page, slushing? I personally think this needs a lot of work to be featured on the main page SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 00:10, 28 September 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Shall we run San Ignacio in January instead? That is the only unscheduled OTBP candidate with at least one support vote and favorable season. /Yvwv (talk) 10:27, 28 September 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I'm all for it, especially when it's got two support votes now. Much better candidate to go on the main page. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 10:47, 28 September 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Banteay Chhmar[edit]

Place: Banteay Chhmar
Blurb: Explore the remains of the Khmer Empire in a more low-key setting than at Angkor Wat, while experiencing traditional culture. (should not exceed ~145 characters)
Article status: Guide (must be guide or above).
Time to feature: Nov-Apr
Nominated by: Ypsilon (talk) 20:09, 23 January 2021 (UTC)
Comment: Perhaps the sites and BC's history need to be expanded on a bit. Other than that this is seemingly a quiet little village with one village organization taking care of everything from guided tours to hotels and meals, so probably not much to add when it comes to services.Reply[reply]

Nomination
Banteay Chhmar Temple Entrance.JPG
With zero support votes and very little work done, should we run Gävle in November instead? /Yvwv (talk) 08:35, 9 September 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Well, not everything need to have coordinates. I planned to make some edits to the article later on, but I guess I shouldn't be deciding each and every article on the Main Page and if you'd really like to see Gävle up in November then feel free to slush this one. --Ypsilon (talk) 15:29, 11 September 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Tourist Drive 33[edit]

Place: Tourist Drive 33
Blurb: Tourist Drive 33 is one of Australia's oldest roads, still used today built by convicts. It's either the views, access, wineries, the length and variety of environments or their historical significance pale in comparison that makes it unique. (should not exceed ~145 characters)
Article status: Guide (must be guide or above).
Time to feature: All year around but preferably Autumn or Spring (in Australian seasons)
Nominated by: SHB2000 (talk | contribs | en.wikipedia) 23:37, 20 June 2021 (UTC)
Comment: Maybe showcase it in Autumn or Spring since that's when people camp a lot more often.Reply[reply]

Nomination
Convict-built embankment, Great North Road, NSW.jpg
  • I moved the nomination back here, because DotM and OtBP features are for destinations whereas FTT are for all other kinds of articles. Overall this seems like an informative article, but there are some things that make me say just almost support now. Some points need a description, a few also need a marker/coordinates (eg the galleries next to the fire trucks). Left-alignment of photos and maps are, per Wikivoyage:Image_policy#Image_alignment, a thing we try to avoid unlike at Wikipedia, and it would be nice to have some photos in the last third of the article. As we try to keep some distance between articles from the same part of the world, and Sydney goes on the Main Page in December 2021 (Melbourne/City Centre probably in March 2022), a slot during Sep-Nov 2022 could probably be the time showcase this article. --Ypsilon (talk) 16:36, 23 June 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Um, is that how it works? --ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 10:21, 4 August 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Dunno, because we can't have Sydney, then Melbourne and then another Australian one within 12 months. There's also the fact that some areas are still recovering from the 2019-20 bushfires and one of the side trips mentioned was claimed as closed, with no sign of reopening. So not until 2023. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 10:32, 4 August 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I vote to slush per SHB, if that helps. --Comment by Selfie City (talk | contributions) 10:42, 4 August 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Okay, now there's actually an explanation, slushing is fine with me.--ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 13:53, 4 August 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Well, worse-quality articles have been nominated, improved and featured. Per se, I don't think it's impossible having three Australian articles within a year, though this one and Sydney are from the same state... But if the nominator feels the nomination should be slushed and the article is better featured sometime later in the future, then I think we should respect him and slush it. --Ypsilon (talk) 15:15, 4 August 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Agree with Ypsilon. I think at this point, we do have consensus to slush this article, so if SHB you'd like to go ahead and do that, I think the individuals involved appear to be in agreement. --Comment by Selfie City (talk | contributions) 15:19, 4 August 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Presidents of the United States[edit]

Place: Presidents of the United States
Blurb: The Presidents of the United States have shaped their country and the world, and left behind a legacy of museums, monuments and other destinations. (should not exceed ~145 characters)
Article status: Usable (deserves a higher grade) (must be guide or above).
Time to feature: Any. Can be considered for Jan-Feb, with Biden's first State of the Union Address expected in late January, and Washington's birthday on 21 Feb.
Nominated by: Yvwv (talk) 21:19, 14 May 2021 (UTC)
Comment: An expansive article. There seems to be consensus on controversial pieces, such as the description of each President.Reply[reply]

Nomination
Mount Rushmore detail view (100MP).jpg
  • We should be aware that this article was started by a user who is now banned; however, users in good standing have done lots of work on it. I'll look it over later and see whether I think it should be featured, but based on my feelings about it the last time I read it, I would think so. Ikan Kekek (talk) 00:11, 15 May 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Not yet - the article should have guide status and if there are still any controversies related to the article's content they need to be resolved first. Ps. When I first saw the article I was thinking that this could be suitable to feature during the United States Semiquincentennial in 2026 or otherwise around the 4th of July (ie. in June's FTT slot). --Ypsilon (talk) 09:37, 15 May 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]
One month later, there's a debate on the talk page about the rules concerning how to edit the article... Let's throw the nomination on the slush pile and perhaps reconsider nominating it after a year or two at earliest. --Ypsilon (talk) 17:03, 13 June 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • No - it needs to be nuked, per Ikan. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | en.wikipedia) 09:53, 5 June 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Comment — I don't work on this article as much as most do, but I'm a little confused as to why it's not ready for guide status. Three years of focused collaboration have taken place, and there's already a talk page archive and likely one or two more in order. As for the article itself, a few listings don't have descriptions, but most do. Is it ready for guide status? --Comment by Selfie City (talk | contributions) 18:21, 13 June 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Comment — This seems to be a mess of properties which are only listed because Donald Trump's "Trump Organization" has its branding on them. That's hardly fair, unless there's some historical reason (other than "Trump owns them") for them to be on this list. We don't tout one innkeeper over another, unless it serves the traveler.
If we go for three months with zero support votes, we could slush. /Yvwv (talk) 11:57, 4 August 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Groningen[edit]

Place: Groningen
Blurb: Groningen is a lively student city with a pleasant vibe with historic heritage. (should not exceed ~145 characters)
Article status: Guide (must be guide or above).
Time to feature: March-June
Nominated by: SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 07:55, 10 August 2021 (UTC)
Comment: Great article and why not?Reply[reply]

Nomination
Groningen - Hoge der A - vanaf de A-brug - Bert Kaufmann.jpg
  • Oppose articles can't be featured twice (OtBP July 2017). --Ypsilon (talk) 08:02, 10 August 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Oops. Didn't check that. Can I instant slush this? SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 08:04, 10 August 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Yes, please do. Plus, we do already have a nominated article from the Netherlands for next summer right above this one. --Ypsilon (talk) 08:09, 10 August 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Clausthal-Zellerfeld[edit]

Place: Clausthal-Zellerfeld
Blurb: Like many other towns in the Harz mountain range, mining heritage is prominent here. (should not exceed ~145 characters)
Article status: Guide (must be guide or above).
Time to feature: May-Sep
Nominated by: Ypsilon (talk) 22:01, 30 October 2020 (UTC)
Comment: Another article for next summer. I just added geocoordinates and some more see listings from German WV. Some of the content seems to have been machine translated from German so the language could benefit from a cursory review by a native speaker but otherwise the article should be good to go.Reply[reply]

Nomination
Rathaus-Clausthal.jpg
  • Very close - per my comment. --Ypsilon (talk) 22:01, 30 October 2020 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Not yet. Some listings have short descriptions or no description at all. For example under "Learn" no explanation is provided regarding the placement of the university as part of the travel guide. However there is certainly potential to make it a featured destination, so if someone would like to continue translating and improving it, it could be a good choice for next year. --Comment by Selfie City (talk | contributions) 17:24, 8 November 2020 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Yes It has now had "a cursory review by a native speaker". I saw no major language problems. There were some minor ones which I did not take time to fix. Pashley (talk) 00:55, 25 April 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Not yet Per The edit history this article is largely in a state of pre-Covid and there is danger of a lot of stuff being outdated. As we do not have someone "on the ground" we would have to rely on internet research a lot... Hobbitschuster (talk) 17:40, 25 April 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Ahem, I actually went through the article top to bottom the day I nominated it. Yes, that was six months ago but we haven't beforehand had any problems with the article having been checked up a few months before - unlike articles that have been checked up several years ago. As this isn't a resort or other destination for which tourism is a "matter of life and death" but a normal town, I do believe most businesses are still there but it can of course be checked up closer to the time when the article is featured. Ypsilon (talk) 18:06, 25 April 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]