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This is where we determine whether an article is ready to be classified as Star status. Even though the criteria are fairly objective, it's good to get some additional eyes to look over a page and confirm that it's ready before elevating it to Star. For reference, here's the general description, from Project:Article status:

The article is essentially complete. It meets all of the above criteria. It follows the manual of style exactly or is the exception that proves the rule. Prose is not only near-perfect grammatically but also tight, effective, and enjoyable. It has appropriate illustrations, such as photos and a map. Enough breadth and depth of material is presented that anyone familiar with the subject of the article would have little to point out as absent. Future changes to this kind of article would reflect changes in the subject (e.g. a museum closes, a hotel price changes, a new airport is built) more than they'd require improvements in the coverage.

Objective criteria for Star status varies depending on the kind of article it is. For more concrete guidance on this, see:

If you feel that an article currently at Star status is no longer worthy, or never was to begin with, this is also the place to nominate to de-star an article.

Nominate[edit]

Star articles: Last minute checklist

  • The article must be complete — See definition above.
  • Grammar and spelling must be perfect — See definition above. Prose should be stylistically superior and effective.
  • Illustration: the article should be appropriately illustrated with pictures and a Wikivoyage-style map, with all attractions marked.
  • Listings should be in alphabetical order — geographical order is also acceptable if it is deemed better.
  • No duplications: a listing should appear under one section only — if there is ambiguity, put it under the section that it most applies to.
  • Time and date formats: Use: M,Tu,W,Th,F,Sa,Su; and check our manual of style for latest and complete policy
  • Section introductions are not mandatory but should be present when they serve to improve a section.
  • Use "—" (mdash) for breaks in thought.
  • Use abbreviations for addresses, e.g., St, Ave, Sq, Blvd

You can nominate any "guide" quality article you think is ready to be declared a "star". Please do not nominate an article if you know that it falls short of the criterion above — refer to the info box for a last minute checklist. If there are other nominations on this page, add yours to the bottom of the list. The basic format of a nomination is as follows:

===[[Article name]]===
This has everything we're looking for,
plus a swell kitchen sink. ~~~~

Having done this, please add the tag

{{starnomination}} 

at the beginning of the article, after the {{pagebanner}} tag.

You may also post a note at Requests for comment to publicize your nomination — remember to tell people that partial critiques and even just a few quick words of support are welcome. These steps help draw attention to the article's nomination, improving the discussion as to whether it should be awarded star status.

Discuss[edit]

Please comment on whether you agree that the nominated article is ready, with a bullet point (*) and your signed opinion. If you think it's ready, a simple "Support" will do. If not, explain what you think is missing or not up to standards. You don't have to leave a detailed critique to vote on the star — partial critiques are welcome, and feel free to just voice your support for the hard work someone else has done.

===[[Article name]]===
This has everything we're looking for, plus a swell kitchen sink.  TravelNut 25:25, 31 Feb 2525 (EDT)
* The sink isn't properly formatted, and there are no "budget" places to sleep. ~~~~

After three weeks of discussion, if a consensus is reached, then that article becomes a star, and the discussion should be archived. A consensus means that all outstanding objections should have been addressed and dropped; if issues remain then the discussion should be left open for two months to allow time to fix the article and reach a consensus. If the outstanding issues cannot or will not be addressed in reasonable time, the article should be added to the slush pile. Regardless of the outcome, it is useful to copy the nomination discussion to the article's talk page.

Successful nominations[edit]

  • Remove the nomination discussion from this page to Project:Star_nominations/Archives
  • Copy the nomination discussion to the talk page of the new star article
  • Add the article to Star articles (and change the map on that page)
  • Remove starnomination template from article
  • Update the article status template on the article from guide to star
  • Add |star=yes to the Pagebanner at the top of the article (see also Template:Pagebanner if more than one icon is required)

Failed nominations[edit]

Articles should only be renominated when they address criticisms from the previous nomination.

Nominations for Star status[edit]

Number of articles currently in review: 2

For an archive of previous successful nominations please see Project:Star nominations/Archives.

Please add {{starnomination}} to the top of the article being nominated. This will add it to Category:Star article nominations.

Farnborough[edit]

I'n definitely biased, but I don't know what more can be done to improve this article. What does anyone else think? --ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 17:23, 1 September 2018 (UTC)

It looks good but I see some room for improvement. The images are not great - I didn't see the point of the Sel Roti picture unless several places sell it, and I would like to see some general views of the town centre to get a "feel" for the place. The railway station listings could be expanded, with links to WP and National Rail. AlasdairW (talk) 21:36, 1 September 2018 (UTC)
I have not read it through yet, but it looks pretty good. However, I agree with AlasdairW about the pictures; they don't seem to have much to do with the place. --Comment by Selfie City (talk about my contributions) 22:48, 1 September 2018 (UTC)
That's good feedback. Thanks! --ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 15:14, 2 September 2018 (UTC)
Support This article is among the best WV has to offer, and although more/better illustrations could potentially enhance the article, I think it's ready to be a star as it is. —The preceding comment was added by 82.132.185.65 (talkcontribs)
Thanks for your support, IP user.
Re the other points, those are definitely things I can do, but I have a feeling I'll need to take some photos and upload them to Commons, as those that are on there of the town centre are outdated. I will be unavailable to do that in the next two weeks, however, but please be assured it hasn't been forgotten and will get done. --ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 10:20, 5 September 2018 (UTC)
Is the IP user AC though? --Comment by Selfie City (talk about my contributions) 14:47, 5 September 2018 (UTC)
Not unless AC has moved from Moscow to South East London since the other day. AC identified himself in his comment above. However, I do think the IP user is someone with WV experience.--ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 16:42, 5 September 2018 (UTC)
IP addresses are fairly easy to spoof, particularly with open proxies, and the circumstantial evidence (writing style, use of support/oppose templates rather than prose, obvious previous familiarity with WV, previous instances of block evasion i.e. the above comment) is pretty overwhelming. I've blocked the IP user on that basis, not to say that will do much good. -- AndreCarrotflower (talk) 18:06, 5 September 2018 (UTC)
Fair enough. Nice detective work. --ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 18:25, 5 September 2018 (UTC)
Plus, in case you didn’t notice, in the preceding nomination he/she mentioned the Brussels districtification. How many IP addresses would know about that? --Comment by Selfie City (talk about my contributions) 14:37, 7 September 2018 (UTC)
Great article! I read through it carefully, and I could only notice a few minor things which perhaps could be improved or expanded. None of them are major concerns, and I don't think it would take much time for anyone to who know Farnborough to deal with them.
  • Even though it doesn't seem too hard to get around in Farnborough I always prefer when there are a few words about orientation of a destination. Just a few words to help you get a 'feel' for the place before you actually go there. Are there any notable landmarks or natural boundaries? What parts of the city could be considered central?
  • How long does the different commuter-journeys listed in "Get in" take, and what do they cost?
  • I didn't really understand the sentence "Less useful is the 'secret' car park on the roof of Sainsbury's...". In what way is it a 'secret' car park? It rather sounds like it is not a car park at all?
  • Why are the black sheds famous?
  • I didn't really understand the St Michaels Abbey directions. What gates are they mentioning? If it is the Abbey gates, shouldn't that rather be mentioned in the opening hours field?
  • St Peters Church lack opening hours, but I couldn't find any on their website.
  • How does one get to North Camp? How far is it? And is there any good explanation why the southern suburb is called North camp?
  • A few words about where to eat as a vegetarian or a vegan?
  • Some of the eat listings lack price indicators. How expensive is a budget restaurant? Could we add Template:Eatpricerange and Template:Sleeppricerange-boxes?
  • Are there many or few chain restaurants? The lede claims that they are few, but the budget-lede lists 9, which by my counting is rather many for a small town.
  • The last three bullet-points in the "Further afield" section doesn't quiet fit in with the others as they are types of destinations, rather than destinations. I think that it looks a bit odd. Could they be rewritten in into a lede perhaps?
I also saw that User:Davisonio is a docent for Farnborough, and I would like to hear your take on the star nomination. Do you think that the article is complete, or are there any gaps in its coverage of Farnborough? Thank you for a terrific guide! MartinJacobson (talk) 19:47, 7 September 2018 (UTC)
You mentioned church hours. I think for churches the time of a service/mass is actually more helpful than open hours. --Comment by Selfie City (talk about my contributions) 21:04, 30 September 2018 (UTC)
More helpful for worshippers but not for general visitors. I would list open hours and give a link to the church's mass/service schedule. Ikan Kekek (talk) 21:30, 30 September 2018 (UTC)
I guess as a listing under "see" I can understand what you mean. --Comment by Selfie City (talk about my contributions) 22:07, 30 September 2018 (UTC)
  • It doesn't seem as if any valid user has voted on this article yet. My vote is support; while the pictures could be better, I don't think that is problematic enough that it should stop the article from becoming a star article. The possible improvements that were mentioned by MartinJacobson are valid, and I think they're good things to add, but not including these things does not bring down the quality of the article enough to prevent it from reaching star status, IMO. --Comment by Selfie City (talk | contributions) 23:27, 10 November 2018 (UTC)
  • Support. Beautiful article at this point already. I'll be happy to see more pictures. Hope you are able to upload them soon, TT. Ibaman (talk) 00:49, 11 November 2018 (UTC)
  • Comment: The question now is this: is the article ready yet for star status despite the concerns, or should we wait until the concerns are addressed, e.g. the pictures? --Comment by Selfie City (talk | contributions) 21:38, 11 November 2018 (UTC)
Wait. Ikan Kekek (talk) 22:56, 11 November 2018 (UTC)

Now that my work on York is mostly complete, I've started addressing the points raised by MartinJacobson above in edits, even explaining the secret car park! Thanks for the great feedback, by the way :)

Regarding the Eat section, there are plenty of fast food chains for sure, but "proper" restaurant chains (i.e. with waiter service and actual cooking talent) are comparatively scarce, compared to plenty of great independents. Perhaps this distinction doesn't matter to a traveller, but I think there is a difference between the likes of Subway / Maccies and Pizza Express / Wagamama (sushi).--ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 23:03, 20 February 2019 (UTC)

  • Support more stars are always better. Znotch190711 (talk) 09:38, 15 August 2019 (UTC)
  • Support This is what a modern star article should read like. I think the criticism that has been mentioned in has been addressed, and although I would like to see current pictures, from a check in the commons, I don't think that can be taken as a not-support. Joshlama1 (talk) 12:55, 15 December 2019 (UTC)

York[edit]

Barring any blind spots which one tends to develop after working on something for a long time, I can't see any reason why this shouldn't get star status. When I started working on it in summer 2018, it was already a great Guide article, and I think I've improved it massively, if not to perfection then something close to it ;-) But what do you think? --ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 20:02, 6 February 2020 (UTC)

It's no secret that I have a very high opinion of ThunderingTyphoons on a personal level as well as a great respect for his work as an editor. So, to avoid the appearance of bias, I figured the fairest thing I could do in this case is to go over the article with a fine-toothed comb and not rest until I found at least one thing to gripe about, and hopefully more than one. I've been searching and searching and, alas, I give up. "Perfection or something close to it" is an apt description. Support. -- AndreCarrotflower (talk) 20:32, 6 February 2020 (UTC)
Support. If I were ever to visit York, I would surely use this guide. I cannot find anything to suggest as an improvement. • • • Peter (Southwood) (talk): 08:03, 7 February 2020 (UTC)
Coming from both of you, with the quality of articles attached to your usernames, that means a lot. Thank you.--ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 08:24, 7 February 2020 (UTC)
Support. While I think this could be peer-reviewed by someone from York, from a Wikivoyage criteria pov it is an excellent article. Joshlama1 (talk) 00:36, 10 March 2020 (UTC)
  • Comment - it would be nice to get this nomination approved before the article is featured as DOTM (in September, according to the current schedule). Having said that, a certain (unknown) number of the listings may have to be removed and replaced once lockdown has been lifted, which probably does preclude the article from Star status until that's been done.--ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 14:42, 5 May 2020 (UTC)
We should probably not vote on any more nominations (not that we were) until the lockdown is well past, for that reason. --Comment by Selfie City (talk | contributions) 15:06, 5 May 2020 (UTC)
I see no good reason why we should keep this nomination on hold indefinitely for that reason. ThunderingTyphoons!, I have faith that you will update the article to reflect business closures, COVID-related and otherwise, as necessary. Until then, we should presume that businesses will reopen after the lockdown has ended unless they've announced otherwise, or unless there's some other evidence otherwise (e.g. FOR LEASE signs in shop windows, or I suppose in the UK the term is TO LET), just as we have always done. However, I do agree with SelfieCity that we should hold off on any new nominations. -- AndreCarrotflower (talk) 18:48, 5 May 2020 (UTC)
  • Support. It is a good article. Although it is about 10 years since I have spent any time in York, I think it is fairly accurate. I expect that some of the Eat or Sleep listings may not survive, but there are plenty so just removing those with closed signs is easy. AlasdairW (talk) 21:59, 5 May 2020 (UTC)

Maintaining status[edit]

Tasks and checks:

Article needing attention or maybe de-star nomination candidates.

Nominations to remove Star status[edit]

Number of articles currently in review: 0

Whenever possible, articles should be fixed rather than de-starred. Only nominate articles which cannot be easily elevated/restored to "star" quality. Add to the article {{destarnomination}}. Vote "Star" or "Not Star".

No current nominations

On de-star decision[edit]

  • Remove the nomination discussion from this page and paste it to both Project:Star nominations/Archives and to the talk page of the article;
  • Update the article status template on the article from star to guide if decision is to de-star;