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Hello, PrinceGloria! Welcome to Wikivoyage.

To help get you started contributing, we've created a tips for new contributors page, full of helpful links about policies and guidelines and style, as well as some important information on copyleft and basic stuff like how to edit a page. If you need help, check out Help, or post a message in the travellers' pub. If you are familiar with Wikipedia, take a look over some of the differences here.AHeneen (talk) 01:26, 19 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Welcome, from me too. I agree that our best quality contributions come on Mondays.  :-) --Inas (talk) 22:37, 26 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks a lot, even if I don't know how to take the comment on Mondays... PrinceGloria (talk) 05:56, 27 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Warsaw districts[edit]

Hi, I've seen your work on Warsaw articles, can you take look and comment at Talk:Warsaw#Districtifying? Cheers. Jjtk (talk) 11:48, 27 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Nice work! I've always felt that one thing our huge city articles are lacking is walking itineraries. To see how it might be improved further, maybe take a look at one of our star itineraries, especially Along the Magnificent Mile. --Peter Talk 18:38, 29 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks Peter! Great to hear you share my view on walking itineraries! I sure will improve it step-by-step. PrinceGloria (talk) 06:37, 30 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
I'm a new user too and feel bad. I often start doing wiki-gnome tasks on wiki's and have slapped a merge template on your new article. Perhaps I should have been more cautious and gotten more familiar with the Wikivoyage culture first before designating content to be merged/purged. Although I do follow the reasoning in Wikivoyage:Itineraries (the part where it says itineraries like these are a bit too personal and hard to improve by others). In any case, people adding real content (like you) are worth a lot more than the gnomes, so I hope this hasn't discouraged you too much. -- 11:26, 22 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Nobody is worth more than anybody! But please DO LOG IN. And I do wholeheartedly disagree, btw the article is not "mine", this is how wiki works, doesn't it? PrinceGloria (talk) 18:02, 23 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]


Hi! You're doing a magnificent job with Frequent flyer programmes! I'd better head off now, but I'll add some more bits tomorrow if that's ok? :) --Nick talk 23:36, 24 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for you kind words and plunging forward with my suggestion! Have a great night's sleep, I am looking forward to your contributions, air travellers around the world owe you a lot! PrinceGloria (talk) 23:38, 24 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]
I think they owe it to you! Have a great night's sleep too! --Nick talk 23:41, 24 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]


Thanks for your great ideas for the Twitter page and additions to the nomination page too! :) --Nick talk 11:55, 8 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Not at all, I hope you're OK with them. Feel free to remove any of those you feel are inappropriate. And thanks for starting this and, as I understand, running our Twitter profile! PrinceGloria (talk) 12:00, 8 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]
They're all great! And there's no need to thank me - I enjoy it! :) --Nick talk 12:08, 8 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]
I can see you do! Have a great time! PrinceGloria (talk) 12:10, 8 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks very much! :) --Nick talk 14:45, 8 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Liverpool banner[edit]

Fantastic choice of banner for Liverpool! That city truly has to have one of the best skylines in Europe. Keep up the good work, regards --ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 14:41, 8 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you, but actually the kudos should go to Living OS at Flickr for the photo. I need to recrop the picture, as the headline text looks clumsy now and have it on my list for the coming days. Incidentally, I am just in the middle of planning my trip to LPL as I am writing this :D
Do let me know how I can help you with articles on LPL, MAN and other locations in the UK, or anyplace else you would like to collaborate on. Have you been to Poland lately? Perhaps we could work on articles about Poland as well! PrinceGloria (talk) 07:32, 9 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]
I am actually looking for a decent banner for my university's city, Sheffield. Although it's a great place to live and study, it's not exactly a traditional tourist destination but perhaps a really great banner would help generate more interest! If you haven't been to Liverpool before, I'd strongly advise taking a warm coat as the constant wind blowing from the river Mersey can get very icy, even in summer. But I'm sure you'll have a great time, there's lots to see and do and the people are friendly!
I've only visited Poland once in 2009, for a school history trip. We stayed in Kraków, which I found to be a very beautiful city. I'll certainly take a look at some relevant articles to see if I could improve them, though I expect my input would be as limited as my stay in Poland was short. I'd love to return one day and also visit Warsaw to see the the magnificent Pałac Kultury i Nauki (though I had to look up the building's name online!) Best wishes --ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 02:22, 10 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]
LOL @ "magnificent"... There is a flight from Doncaster/Sheffield to Warsaw by Wizzair for pennies, hurry up as it still lands in our "proper" airport, which is Warsaw Chopin, this summer as our equivalent to Luton (or worse), Warsaw Modlin, is still closed (and we do pray it will remain so forever and ever). Do let me know if you take the plunge and come on over!
Even if you don't know much about the destination, your advice on the contents, presentation and style of Kraków and Warsaw will be invaluable. Whenever you would find time to read them in whole or in part, do leave some notes on how they can be improved, what you did not find there and would want to know, or what was presented in a less than perfect way, in their talk pages. I am happy to look into Liverpool and Sheffield as well, I will see if I can come up with a reasonable banner for the latter. PrinceGloria (talk) 05:14, 10 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Well they say "familiarity breeds contempt", so maybe you've seen too much of the Palace! The Sheffield page banner's image quality is a bit rubbish because it's too low resolution to look good as a banner but the actual picture itself is quite impressive. It would be good to find a similar photo with higher resolution. If not, this photo wouldn't require much tinkering to be a banner. I've trawled through practically every Wikimedia photo of Sheffield and nothing jumped out at me at being particularly suitable for a banner. Next academic year I might try to get out a bit to see if I can take some decent ones for the Commons in general.

As for the Kraków page, I'd be more than happy to take a look at it and do a bit of spelling / grammar / stylistic copy-editing. --ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 20:10, 10 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Talk page[edit]

Is it okay if the discussion in Talk:Netherlands is titled as something more neutral? Referring my name in the title, I think, makes it seem a bit like the person is important instead of the discussion itself. Thanks. Globe-trotter (talk) 22:28, 16 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Absolutely, this I guess was not very fortunate of me to name it this way. Please change it to anything you may find appropriate. I am taking a wikibreak now and would not want to start editing other pages at this moment, as I would be too tempted to get back into some other stuff I need to distance myself from. Thanks! PrinceGloria (talk) 04:14, 17 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Enjoy your wiki-vacation then :-) Globe-trotter (talk) 04:16, 17 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

RE: Hazard-Bot on the English Wikipedia[edit]

Hello, I had made an attempt, though it might not catch everything since we seem not to have any standard category or template etc. used for identifying the navigational/footer templates. I've gone ahead and asked for another trial to test that out. Hazard-SJ (talk) 22:40, 27 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you[edit]

Thank you for your comments... I thought I would get the ball rolling - and there is going to be lots to do... some real editorial/intellectual thinking as far as no-exact-matches go. (Nicolas pointed that out today ie. Tibetian phrasebook could be linked to Tibetian Language etc.) - Cheers! and have a great day! Matroc (talk) 02:23, 20 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Times in Polish articles[edit]

I'm a bit puzzled as to the use of the 12 hour clock format in Polish articles. It's a while since I was in Poland, but when I was there I saw constructions like 10.00-18.30 rather than 10AM-6.30PM. Have things changed very recently?

I have lots of Polish neighbours and there are some Polish food shops here in Glasgow and they all use the 24 hour format and put the day of the month before the month rather than afterwards.

Hoping you can shed some light on this mystery... --W. Frankemailtalk 01:45, 5 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

We use the 24h clock here, but the readers and editors of the English Wikipedia are probably more accustomed to the AM/PM format, which might explain why some entries use that. I might have been using either, I am absolutely not paying attention to that as I find that of the very least importance here, most users will understand either. Feel free to correct the articles and any of my edits if you care about standardizing those. PrinceGloria (talk) 10:25, 5 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]
I agree that it's a trivial point, but if we are to get some of the Polish articles up to Star status we do need to standardise. Since tdf currently states "Use one of these formats: 09:30–17:00 or 9:30AM–5PM. Do not use both 24- and 12-hour formats within one article. Choose between formats by following predominant local usage." ::Although the US has by far the most number of native English speakers there are another 70 countries that have English as either an official language or one that enjoys a special status. There are reputed to be another 2 billion (like you and I) that have some English fluency and now that we are a Wikimedia project I hope some of them will be reading and writing here. (I'll copy this conversation to Talk:Poland - just revert my edit if you don't agree...) --W. Frankemailtalk 14:37, 5 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Nice to see you[edit]

PrinceGloria, it's good to see you editing again, as you always do great work.

I'd be interested in whether you have some input into some of the issues of the day, so if you have time, please have a look at the Pub and Requests for comment.

All the best,

Ikan Kekek (talk) 05:01, 9 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, thanks for your kind words, it's so nice to hear them first thing in the morning! Given that you noticed me around I guess there is still a dearth of editors here, which is not good news... I am sorry to say that I will probably not be extremely active an editor as after weeks of travelling I need to catch up with real life as well! PrinceGloria (talk) 05:13, 9 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]
PS. If there is something really important around that I should not miss, please point it out to me. I guess I will try to refrain from the pub and discussions for some time and focus on improving destination articles.
It's great to focus on improving destination articles! We do have some new good editors. I just patrol new edits a lot, so I noticed one by you.
All the best,
Ikan Kekek (talk) 05:15, 9 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Well... Special:Statistics :/ PrinceGloria (talk) 05:17, 9 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]
I don't know how to interpret those statistics. We could always use new good editors, but as a chronic patroller, I've noticed some very good new members recently. Ikan Kekek (talk) 05:31, 9 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I'm glad to see you back too! :) There's been a lot going on recently... --Nick talk 15:39, 9 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for the kind words! Do give me a rundown so that I could join in whatever effort I could be of assistance with. PrinceGloria (talk) 20:59, 9 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]
I'd be interested in your views of this proposal, if you have the time to look through it: Wikivoyage talk:How to handle unwanted edits#Re-framed proposal
All the best,
Ikan Kekek (talk) 21:14, 9 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]
I find it too complicated and the discussion too advanced for me to be able to get involved at this point. At any rate, I would keep this as simple as possible and consider this of absolutely least priority to many other efforts to improve WV and increase readership and editor involvement. PrinceGloria (talk) 14:47, 10 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for your perspective. Ikan Kekek (talk) 22:30, 10 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Help me remember[edit]

At Talk:Paramaribo#.22Organized_tours.22_subsection_of_.22Get_around.22 we are discussing if it would be possible to combine a bunch of smaller places into one region article. As an example I mentioned the occasion a few months back where the content of a couple of Polish villages' articles with little content were merged into the voivodeship's article and the town articles themselves deleted. One of them was that place where the overgrown ruins of a manor was the only sight. Or was everything deleted? I can't remember the names of the places and which voivodeship article it was (most Polish region articles have more content than the average), but maybe you do? ϒpsilon (talk) 09:32, 12 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Kujawsko-Pomorskie and Nowy Dwór Królewski, although in the end it was redirected to Chełmno, the powiat that includes the village. Discussion is archived at Talk:Kujawsko-Pomorskie. Hope this helps. PrinceGloria (talk) 09:46, 12 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks! :) ϒpsilon (talk) 10:01, 12 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Just FYI on leading Polish Catholics[edit]

I think it's fine for you to edit out stuff that you consider inessential for Wikivoyage, so no problem there, but just so you don't think my remarks were baseless ("nonsense"), I'm referring specifically to Polish cardinals who, in the immediate aftermath of the Kielce pogrom, blamed the Jews for the pogrom and suggested that the Blood Libel might be real. See w:Kielce pogrom#Reaction of the Catholic Church.

All the best,

Ikan Kekek (talk) 04:54, 5 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

OK now, thanks for the clarification of what you meant. To me, this is the reaction of the catholic church, and/or rather catholic church officials, not "leading catholics". I was quite surprised at the mention of "leading catholics", as if the catholics (who were, and still are, a majority group in the Polish society) were led and represented by a certain leadership, which was not the case.
At any rate, antisemitism did manifest itself more or less dramatically until the 1970s (and, which needs to be said, was part of the official propaganda), and did cause further emigration of many of the surviving Polish Jews, which can help explain to a casual tourist why a country with the largest pre-war Jewish population and so full of Jewish heritage is now almost devoid of Jews (other than WW2, obviously). That said, I would not want to focus too much on particular events or highlights in any section of history we include in the article, as I believe this is just to help understand the background, not give a brief and incomplete history lesson to a tourist.
Wikipedia does a much better job of telling a complete, detailed and balanced history of every country, and it seems that in the case of Poland in particular we are halfway into trying to do their job while not having enough contributors - or space - to do it as well as Wikipedia. I do not have it on my list to get down to it right now, but I believe we could further prune down and edit this section to make it more concise and easily understandable for the casual tourist. PrinceGloria (talk) 05:44, 5 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Understood. I'm sorry my language was confusing. I also think it's fine to prune the section, but I think the basic facts should remain there. Among other things, I think it's important for the visitor to know about Poland's history of being invaded and victimized by its neighbors, its history of heroic resistance, and the bare outlines of the important and checkered history of Jewish settlement in Poland - both Polish heroism in fighting for and hiding their Jewish countrymen/-women and the post-war pogroms and, as you mention, official anti-Semitism which explain why the Jews who survived Nazi terror, many of them with help from their Catholic neighbors, largely disappeared from the country after being so much a part of Polish history for hundreds of years. For what it's worth, I am of Polish-Jewish descent on my father's father's side, and one of my father's uncles was a middle-ranking Communist official who was expelled from his position and exiled to Sweden in the "anti-Zionist" purge in 1968 and, thereafter, lived off his pension which he picked up every month at the Polish Embassy in Stockholm for being a loyal Communist. Funny how they purged him and yet supported him, eh? I have yet to visit Poland myself, but would like to and probably will have the chance within the next couple of years or so. And for what it's worth, I'm from the democratic Socialist side of the family that always rejected Bolshevism. :-) Ikan Kekek (talk) 06:28, 5 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]
If you have not visited Poland yet, you absolutely should! Do let me know whenever you would be coming, I would love to meet you in person and show you around if you cared for that!
Meanwhile, I believe that Polish history is indeed fascinating, intricate, multi-faceted and controversial, but most other European countries do fine with a few paragraphs of text despite being nonetheless interesting. I appreciate the historic fascinations of the editors who might have enriched this section of the article on Poland, but I guess it becomes hard to realize we are reading a practical tour guide after your third paragraph on the Second World War... PrinceGloria (talk) 12:25, 5 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Point well taken. And thanks for the offer. The place my girlfriend and I most want to visit in Poland is Krakow, not surprisingly, but my ancestors came from an apparently nondescript town near Plock. Ikan Kekek (talk) 12:32, 5 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Northern Mazovia may not be as prominentaly featured in traditional travel guides as Kraków (which is where we can make a difference), but it can nonetheless be quite beautiful and interesting. Płock itself is quite underestimated as a tourist destination - since there is no railway connection, do feel invited (both of you) to join me on a car trip from Warsaw to Płock, which I would gladly take myself as it's been some time since I've been there, whenever you would have the opportunity to visit. And obviously I'd love to prove to you that Warsaw is just as worthy of your interest as Kraków :D PrinceGloria (talk) 18:18, 5 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks a lot; that's a very generous offer. I'll definitely contact you if/when we have a chance to visit that part of Poland. Ikan Kekek (talk) 20:11, 5 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Upper Bavaria[edit]

Hi, there is a stalled regions discussion at Talk:Upper Bavaria. Perhaps you have some input? Thanks. Andrewssi2 (talk) 09:44, 15 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]


Hi! Please don't worry, I'm very careful not to delete anything, on the contrary I'm adding contact information to the restaurants and arranging them into categories so that someone looking for a fine dining restaurant isn't inadvertently going to a fast food joint or vice versa. Have a look at User:Ypsilon/Laboratory to see what I've done so far. ϒpsilon (talk) 20:06, 13 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Added Paris Hotels[edit]

Have you stayed at the hotels you are adding to Paris? Seligne (talk) 15:46, 18 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Oh God, not all of them - I am in Paris far more often than I'd like to (in fact I just booked two more trips last week...) and have stayed in surprisingly many hotels, but not THAT many. I am pulling from experiences of both myself and the people I know that I use to choose hotels there. As a last resort, I refer to the online reviews that I like to pour over when making a booking.
I believe for a city of almost 1000 hotels we provided preciously few listings, and few and far in between with selections that are rather strange, while omitting some of the most obvious choices. Wikivoyage is one of the few places where we can plot the locations of the hotels vs a pretty complete list of other POIs using the dynamic maps, so it can come very handy to somebody when choosing accommodation. I find it useful to have at least the most popular / best rated (in my unofficial private ranking or by external review sites) accommodation options listed to give readers the overview of the choices they have - and place them on the map to help them make an informed decision (I will update the latlongs for 17th hotels in due course).
The guidelines actually encourage us to fill in underserved sections with whatever data we find online, so I guess I am not doing anything wrong. I filled in data on many hotels in my home town as well, even if I have never stayed in a hotel there.
Does this answer your question/concern? PrinceGloria (talk) 21:00, 18 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Ha ha! Not really a concern. I was just gobsmacked that you had perhaps stayed in such expensive hotels. And to your larger point, I think there is a lot we can do to improve the Paris article. And you are doing your bit. Seligne (talk) 04:07, 19 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for the kind words! Paris is gobsmackingly expensive in general, there is no way to do it cheap, and when you do your homework you may find that the "expensive" hotels can actually cost you not much more than the cheap ones. But I guess the latter works for every location. I am just very petty about my hotels, I like to stay at a nice one and it is an important part of every trip to me, so I am trying to cater to the queasy travellers like myself by filling in the "Sleep" section with my findings whenever I can.
The Paris article makes me cry as well, I just looked at the 8e and I cried. But I hope together we can bring it to a state of repair :) PrinceGloria (talk) 09:47, 19 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Breadcrumbs for Poland[edit]

Let's not do things half-assedly. Leave the breadcrumbs alone and properly aligned until such time as we actually do get rid of those other articles. I'll be happy to do all the breadcrumb work myself if I have to, so let's not let it sit around in a half-this-scheme-half-that-scheme state until that day finally comes round. That just makes it more difficult to use the category structure to see clearly what we have and what we are shifting to. Texugo (talk) 18:44, 23 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

VVV and other logos[edit]

You might be interested in the discussion at Wikivoyage_talk:Image_policy#Logos_that_should_be_included. Pashley (talk) 16:07, 21 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]

An award for you![edit]

The Wikivoyage Barncompass
Here's a Barncompass for your great work on various European articles. Keep it up! :) ϒpsilon (talk) 06:19, 31 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]


PrinceGloria, thanks for correcting my efforts to put correct coordinates for a couple of restaurants in Berlin/City West. I clicked the "add listing" button, pasted the address, then clicked "locate on geomap". When I got into the map, it just showed a world map, so I pasted the address and clicked "Locate!" I just realized that if I zoomed out, I would have realized it was finding a street of the same name in a suburb of Leipzig. So my mistake was not to include the name of the city in my search. Ikan Kekek (talk) 05:03, 10 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]


Hey there. Thanks for working on the regions of Sweden. Could you do me a favor - could you just help me keep the corresponding categories up to date with the actual article breadcrumbs? The IsPartOf for the categories has to be changed manually too, and it would be great if you could alert me and/or tag categories for regions that have been removed from the hierarchy, so that they can be deleted. Thanks a lot! Texugo (talk) 20:23, 16 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for letting me know Texugo, I was wondering why they don't disappear automatically. Will let you know which ones are up for deletion as we go through them. I am almost done with Scania, so five will be up for deletion shortly. PrinceGloria (talk) 20:25, 16 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]
We don't need to nominate them for deletion. I just need to know which region articles you´re taking out of the hierarchy and/or turning into redirects. Texugo (talk) 20:29, 16 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Texugo, I am done with Scania and the following categories may now be deleted: Category:Söderslätt, Category:Southeast Scania, Category:Middle Scania, Category:Northwest Scania, Category:Northeast Scania. Seems like somebody's deleted them already though... PrinceGloria (talk) 03:38, 17 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Hi again. Yeah, thanks. I already found them and deleted them and created the necessary new categories. That's it, reorganization complete? Texugo (talk) 03:46, 17 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]
For Scania, we are done now. I believe Ypsilon's reorganization of the regions of Sweden made Western Sweden and Southeastern Sweden obsolete as well, not sure about if categories were sorted out at that point. We will be doing a bit of a reorg regarding the regions around Stockholm as well, and removing some unnecessary divisions inside other Swedish counties/provinces later on. PrinceGloria (talk) 03:49, 17 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Ahaaa! So THAT'S why What links here still shows links to Western Sweden and Southeastern Sweden that I can't see. Sweden articles still have subdistricts that are obsolete, e.g. in Västergötland and Dalarna that we will get rid off at some point. ϒpsilon (talk) 04:43, 17 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Other destinations[edit]

We use Cities in the general sense, to mean any type of community, city, town, settlement, etc. No matter the size, those go in the Cities section. Other destinations is for things that are not communities, e.g. parks, islands, etc. See Wikivoyage:Article templates/Sections. Texugo (talk) 13:19, 30 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I will raise that there. This would make the list @Bodensee Region unwieldily long, while the pages for the small towns are more like pages for a castle or some other structure than the town itself, as there is nothing else to see. PrinceGloria (talk) 13:27, 30 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]
That's just the way we've always done it, and I think it makes sense to keep non-community articles separate from community articles, regardless of the size. Plus if we give the green light to subjectively judge some communities as small enough to list separately, it'll just encourage people to use the OD section in non-bottom-level region articles to fill it up with cities that exceed the 9 listed in Cities. Texugo (talk) 13:37, 30 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]
And that's what should happen. We should link to as many destinations as possible from the regional article, not bury them so that they are hard to find. PrinceGloria (talk) 13:42, 30 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]
I replied there, but you misunderstand something else too: in the lowest level regions (only) the maximum of 9 does not apply. Of course they need to list all the destinations or they'll be orphaned. But that isn't an argument for putting them in the Other destinations section. Texugo (talk) 13:56, 30 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]
I believe I have made a very valid argument in reply - I believe it to be very worthwhile to visibly point out that Konstanz, Friedrichshafen, Sigmaringen and Ravensburg are the most important cities of the region, around which everything else is centred (e.g. transportation networks). Having to look for this kind of information in the minutiae of the article is not helpful. PrinceGloria (talk) 14:02, 30 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Paris/15th arrondissement[edit]

Hello PrinceGloria, regarding the size of the "Café picture", I agree with you, though it is the only one I found on commons that was "generic", but still showed the parisian tables. If it is not OK, I don't mind it being removed. Also there is this mid range priced restaurant: with a view of the river: . Website only in french I don't know if it fits the page. Any way, Happy Voyage! and thanks for thanking --DDupard (talk) 16:03, 31 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]

User:DDupard, please forgive me for not replying earlier. I believe if we cannot find anything specific of the 15e arr., there is nothing wrong with NOT illustrating the "Eat" section. We may put more pictures of landmarks and other POIs there - e.g. I don't think we have a picture of the Beaugrenelle shopping centre we mention in the article. PrinceGloria (talk) 18:20, 2 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]


Wielding a mop is serious business.

Hi, User:PrinceGloria. Your name came up in a discussion of possible new admins. You've participated in all kinds of content creation and organizational/policy discussions, so I think you'd be a natural. Becoming an admin would enable you to delete spam pages and block spam accounts, among other tools. I'll nominate you if you'd be willing to take on the role of administrator, whose tasks you can see at this link. Let me know if you're interested.

All the best,

Ikan Kekek (talk) 00:19, 5 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]

User:Ikan Kekek, I am most flattered to learn of that, and I would like to thank all involved, especially User:Saqib, who mentioned my name. I do not think I would make a good administrator, as my involvement in Wikivoyage is ebb-and-flow, depending on the nature of my work at a given moment. Moreover, quite honestly I guess I might find patrolling pages and dealing with persistent vandals and, more seriously, W. Frank, boring and tedious unlike editing selected articles or drafting up policies and will simply slack off. Last but not least, I am currently actively contesting some policies and guidelines, and some of them privately in my head only thus far, so I would have a hard time enforcing them. I hope you will understand and agree with me there are probably better candidates. PrinceGloria (talk) 04:21, 5 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]
I understand. I don't think contesting policies would make you a bad admin in the least, but if you'd rather remain in your current role, that's great. If you change your mind, let me know, because we could use some more hands on deck with the mop. Ikan Kekek (talk) 04:45, 5 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]
I got it IK why Your Highness Prince Gloria of the Republic of Wikivoyage don't want to become an admin because mops and buckets are not for meant for royals but for Aam Aadmi. --Saqib (talk) 05:11, 5 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]
My username is after an old Japanese car, just to make sure. PrinceGloria (talk) 05:12, 5 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Prince Gloria, I just noticed (very belatedly) all the work you put into the Sant Marti guide. That's quite an improvement, it looks good. -Shaundd (talk) 05:24, 27 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you, Shaundd! Barcelona still needs a lot of work, though, especially Gracia and the Northern Suburbs - which we will probably need to split into East and West in due course, but for now there is not enough content there even for one article. The main article for Barcelona is also a hot mess. I plan on going to Barcelona in November and I was scrambling to get it in shape by then for my own benefit, so if you can help it would be just great! PrinceGloria (talk) 05:28, 27 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]
I agree Northern Suburbs needs to be split at some point, but yeah, there isn't much content there. I was in Barcelona a couple of years ago and had plans to fix up the article, but life has had other plans since. I'll see what I can do. Enjoy the trip though, I was only in Barcelona for three or four days and realized that that barely scratches the surface of what you can see and do there. -Shaundd (talk) 05:24, 28 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Creating categories[edit]

Hi PrinceGloria. When creating new categories don't forget to populate the parent category in the new category template (<!-- insert name of next region level up here -->), otherwise the internal wiring used for category trees and breadcrumbs will be incomplete. It looks like Traveler100 already updated Category:Lake Como and I've updated Category:Lombardian Alps and Prealps, but if you create any other categories it's an important step. Thanks! -- Ryan • (talk) • 22:34, 11 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for the heads-up, Ryan, my bad, tried to be too quick with the necessary admin. PrinceGloria (talk) 22:36, 11 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Help wanted[edit]

Hi PrinceGloria! I have problem with Atsirlin (not the first). He threatening me, about Győr edit! - - Globetrotter19 (talk) 20:37, 17 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Poland region maps[edit]

Hi Prince Gloria, I took a quick look at the Poland regions (that's the voivodships, right?). Are they all ready with no further subregion breakdowns or changes? If they are, would some be higher priority than others (since, as you've seen, I'm a bit slow to get things done at times)? Cheers -Shaundd (talk) 22:11, 14 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Things are a bit slow in terms of work on Poland atm, as it is pretty much me alone with very sporadic input from others, but if I got a map then it would be a good impulse for me to work on it. I am not certain some regions would not earn further subdivisions at some point, but we do not seem to be in danger of it happening anytime soon (and then, we would need a map anyway, just with more colours ;) ). I do not think Kujawsko-Pomorskie, Opolskie, Podkarpackie or Lubuskie will be subject to subdivision soon due to their size. Please see if any of them are to your liking. Or choose any other close to your heart :) PrinceGloria (talk) 13:30, 15 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]
OK, I'll start with that. It'll probably take a few weeks since I want to get a couple of other things done first. -Shaundd (talk) 15:28, 19 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Super, can't wait! Do enjoy whatever's on your schedule, Shaundd! PrinceGloria (talk) 08:59, 20 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Hi PrinceGloria, I started work on the Lubuskie and Opolskie maps. There aren't very many destinations in those regions that we currently have articles for. Should I just note the destinations listed on the region page or are there other places worth noting, as well? Cheers. -Shaundd (talk) 04:16, 25 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]
That's great to hear, Shaundd! With regard to Opolskie, I am quite afraid this small voivodship has all of its touristically significant destinations listed already. For Lubuskie, I would consider adding Kostrzyn nad Odrą and Muskauer Park / Park Mużakowski (UNESCO site), as well as Zielona Góra Babimost airport (insignificant, but not mentioned in the text and having scheduled traffic). In both cases, please do mark main motorways, railway lines and rivers. When in doubt whether or not to include one, please do not hesitate to ask. Thanks! PrinceGloria (talk) 20:33, 25 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Since you offered... :-) For rivers, the map currently has the Oder/Odra and the Warta -- should there be others? And what are the main railway lines? Thanks. -Shaundd (talk) 06:31, 26 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Opolskie: rivers - Odra and Nysa; main roads: E40/A4 and all the red ones; railway lines: orange ones
Lubuskie: for rivers and railways I'd go by this (you can skip the thinner black railways, they are truly insignificant), for roads: this
I hope this helps! PrinceGloria (talk) 17:48, 26 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]
So I'm starting to work on the railroads and I'm a bit confused by the "orange" railways in Opolskie. Some are orange with black lines (which I'm assuming are the major lines, like the one that roughly parallels the A4) and some are orange without the black lines (like Opole-Nysa). Did you mean all orange lines or just the prominent orange lines? Thanks! -Shaundd (talk) 06:39, 5 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]
I guess the ones with black markings could be electrified and the orange-only ones not - I am not sure, I forgot where I got the map from and I don't have the description. Anyway, there are trains from Opole to Nysa every hour, so I guess we need to include it as a major line. PrinceGloria (talk) 13:26, 5 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]
I'm getting close to putting up a couple of maps, but have two more questions:
1. The train link between Opole and Kluczbork isn't orange in the map but should I put it in anyways?
2. You mentioned including Zielona Gora Babimost airport -- is that the airport that's about 30 km northeast of the city? The map I'm looking at isn't terribly specific.
The line between Opole and Kluczbork is not terribly busy (one or two trains a day, I believe), so I would recommend skipping it. PrinceGloria (talk) 07:19, 8 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks. -Shaundd (talk) 06:53, 7 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Hi there, the Lubuskie map is up! Let me know of any changes. Cheers -Shaundd (talk) 07:03, 8 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I posted a Dolnośląskie region map. It still needs clean-up but let me know of any other changes! -Shaundd (talk) 05:22, 5 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Oh it's just FAB! If by "cleanup" you mean sorting out some labels overlapping roads and such, those are the only things I could think to nitpick about if hard-pressed for it. I will get down to brushing up Dolnośląskie sometime down the road and then I might probably come up with some specific request, but for now all I can think of is perhaps moving the scale to the upper left hand corner and using the remaining big swathe of Czech Republic in lower left hand corner to put a small map indicating the location of Dolnośląskie within Poland, so that we could do away with the separate pic that is now above your map. PrinceGloria (talk) 12:48, 5 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Sorting out the labels was pretty much what I meant. There is lots of space in that lower left corner, I'll see a small map looks. -Shaundd (talk) 04:11, 8 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Individual apartments[edit]

Where does it state individual holiday apartments are not allowed? Wondering about, undo. Understand agencies are as a rule not allowed but individual Rental listings are if bookable for one week or less. --Traveler100 (talk) 05:40, 31 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I always understood the rule the way that individual apartments are not allowed, I think I read it someplace else that the one you link to, that clearly pertains to agencies. I find it only logical NOT to allow individual apartment listings, as they are numerous and very volatile now with the advent of airBnB and such, and we might get flooded with opportunistic apartment owners wanting to advertise theirs. I will raise it over there. PrinceGloria (talk) 05:52, 31 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]


According to, "bused" is preferred over "bussed," though both spellings are given. I think there's a good reason to use the single "s" version of "bused," "busing" and "buses," however, which is that to buss is to kiss. Granted, though, in these situations, there isn't much likelihood of confusion, so it's no big deal and I won't make a Federal case over it. :-) Ikan Kekek (talk) 11:50, 27 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I agree that the single 's' version is better and more common. The two 's' version only makes me think of clearing away dishes and cleaning tables in a restaurant, i.e. what a busser does. Texugo (talk) 12:06, 27 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Whichever, pls feel free to correct my spelling. I just checked in another dictionary and they didn't provide "bused" as allowable form at all. I type quite fast and make plentiful mistakes, so feel free to correct or revert if my corrections are wrong. BTW, would be great to devote some time to Milan and its districts, EXPO starts this week. Got your tickets booked? Would be great to meet there! PrinceGloria (talk) 12:20, 27 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Hi @PrinceGloria: I was looking at Wikivoyage:Tourism Bureau Expedition and was reading about what it is and what it aims to do. I am impressed by it and would like to help with it. But I don't exactly know how it works or how to contribute to it. I saw you had recently been on its talk page and I wondered whether you could help me understand it and how to go about helping with it? I would be able to help especially with South East England (East Sussex and Eastbourne in particular). Thanks.  Seagull123  Φ  20:06, 2 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for reaching out, @Seagull123:. Do pardon my belated reply - in an ironic twist, my travelling is keeping me away from WV :D Basically, the aim of the expedition is to reach out to tourism bureaus and encourage them in all possible ways to start contributing.
Most of those organizations maintain their own solid databases of attractions, accommodation facilities, gastronomic outlets and the such, while also being up to speed with any changes to local transportation, current events relevant to tourists etc. Therefore, we find it would only serve WV better if they shared this information here and helped us update all that info.
The benefit for them is not only in improving the coverage of their destinations and making sure tourists have access to up-to-date guides on a website that is already very high in search rankings and is a natural reference thanks to its connection to Wikipedia, but also the fact that our guides are CC and thus free for them to reuse for their own purposes, thus taking advantage of the writing skills, experiences and insights of the dozens of contributors.
As to how to help, the answer is simple - we just need to get those tourist boards on board, to say so clumsily, and convince them to contribute - be it by email, phone or personal contact. A demonstration of how to use WV and the main principles would go a long way - if you can make it in person to sb in your local tourist boards, this would probably go a long way. At any rate, do let me know if this answered your questions and whether I can be of any further assistance.
Best regards from sweet Brussels! PrinceGloria (talk) 06:48, 9 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]
@PrinceGloria: Thanks, I have already seen this, but I haven't had a chance to get around to doing this. I will probably be doing this in the next week or so. Thank you anyway!  Seagull123  Φ  20:35, 17 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Lakeview-North Center re-cropped banner[edit]

Following the comment you made about the Wrigley Field sign clashing with the title (this happened because I created the original banner for the Hebrew Wikivoyage where the title in the banners is on the right side), I made a new banner where the title doesn't cover the Wrigley Field sign. please indicate in that discussion if the new re-cropped banner is better/acceptable in your opinion. ויקיג'אנקי (talk) 15:56, 11 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Saarland Banner[edit]

Hi, I noticed the banner for Saarland was in PNG format, so I took the liberty to recreate it from the original source as a JPEG instead.

Unfortunately I was not able to just create a new version of the existing file, so I created a new one here.

It means that you lost the attribution and therefore just wanted to let you know. I have attributed you and the connection on both files talk pages. Thanks --Andrewssi2 (talk) 09:44, 25 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Doesn't bother me the slightest, but thank you for your consideration and effort in both mentioning my attribution and contacting me. I do not pay heed to the attribution of banners to myself, so feel free to modify, recreate and replace any banner I ever made. PrinceGloria (talk) 05:08, 26 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Right justification[edit]

Hi, Prince. Just so you know, right is the default justification, so no need to type "right" as a parameter when inserting thumbnails.

All the best,

Ikan Kekek (talk) 07:54, 23 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

HI Hamburg[edit]

Just interested. Has been a couple of years since I stayed there but used to stay regularly (close to free port and good for walking my dog). Has it gone down hill some? No longer a bottle of beer in the fridge, shame that was a carry over tradition from previous owners? --Traveler100 (talk) 05:41, 27 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Go over to TripAdvisor for photos and details. I really can't see why anybody would stay there given the number of better options. And frankly, even when the hotel was still in a bearable condition, there are so many better options with central location - one can go walk the dog or run along the Alster or in the Schanzen IMHO (unless I am insensitive to some canine needs). PrinceGloria (talk) 05:49, 27 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Trains to Wroclaw[edit]

A new weekend train from Berlin where reinstated on May 1st and will runt at least until September, see [1]. I personally think it is useful to mention connections that have recently been dropped. It's quite common practice across Wikivoyage.

--Jonte-- (talk) 11:36, 5 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

@Jonte--: - Oh, I missed it, sorry. I do not think it is useful to mention dropped connections - it seems relevant today but will just be odd and confusing two to five years from now, which is how long sections of articles can remain unchanged in our circumstances. PrinceGloria (talk) 12:58, 5 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

New York City articles[edit]

This is just a quick note to thank you for doing some good work on New York City articles. If you have anything to add to Manhattan/Lower East Side, it needs some love. And since I avoid it a lot nowadays and don't have much interest in researching the hotels there...

All the best,

Ikan Kekek (talk) 07:04, 22 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks, Ikan Kekek! I am preparing for a trip to NYC and Dallas and researching hotels is of more importance then ever... I am not so sure we need THAT many districts in NYC, perhaps the lack of interest in Lower East Side is justified - I will look into that, moving slowly down the West side now. You may want to look into Dallas, by the way, I am not sure this city needs districts at all, while it certainly needs love! PrinceGloria (talk) 07:08, 22 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
I don't know much about Dallas. I think the Lower East Side probably should remain its own article, because it's overrun with young people attracted to all its bars. It just needs more coverage by people who like its current incarnation. But if we were going to merge it with anything, I'd suggest merging it with East Village, as the East Village used to be universally considered part of the Lower East Side until the 60s or so. Ikan Kekek (talk) 07:57, 22 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Re:Images in the Central Park guide[edit]

If you want to add more pictures to the Central Park page, I'm fine with that. But how about you expand the content first and then add more pics, so that the images do not overwhelm the actual content? Additionally, many of the images I removed were redundant--for instance, there were two shots of The Pond, two of The Met, and three of Bethesda Fountain/Terrace, when really you should generally try to stick to one really good one to illustrate a specific attraction.

Additionally, regarding this comment:

We also agreed no to force sizes and leave it up to user settings to determine how they display, it would be good to stick to that.

Firstly, I certainly wasn't aware of such a discussion. Moreover, it actually goes against the specific wording of Wikivoyage:How to add an image, which specifically recommends 250px as a generally good size for thumbnails. There were a few I expanded to 300px (a common size on many of our other guides) to show off more detail. So I don't think there's any policy backing to your argument not to size up an image. PerryPlanet (talk) 20:00, 29 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

As a side note, it seems worthwhile to point to this excerpt from Wikivoyage:Image policy#Minimal use of images:
Don't get overexcited adding images to articles. Travellers may be using Wikivoyage from networks with very low bandwidth. In some countries, an internet café with ten computers connected to a single 56k modem is still fairly common. Even travellers in developed countries can often be limited to 10k mobile GPRS access.
This doesn't mean no images, just no more images than are necessary to make the article beautiful and informative.
Now obviously "no more images than are necessary" is up to subjective taste. But do you not feel that the current number of images on the Central Park guide make the article beautiful and informative? PerryPlanet (talk) 20:06, 29 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks to pointing that out, I find this obsolete and counterintuitive and will gladly put this up for discussion. My idea of a good travel guide is Dorling Kindersley, not Pascal. PrinceGloria (talk) 20:23, 29 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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Image policy[edit]

Just out of curiosity, what about the current image policy is so disagreeable that it has turned you away from editing WV? And if you have already outlined this elsewhere and do not wish to rehash it here, a pointer alone would suffice for me. Hobbitschuster (talk) 18:56, 2 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

User:Hobbitschuster => Wikivoyage_talk:Image_policy#Minimal_use_of_images_-_not_appropriate PrinceGloria (talk) 20:25, 2 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Nice to see you back![edit]

How are you? Ikan Kekek (talk) 21:48, 6 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks a lot, my friend! I decided to give WV another go ahead of a European tour seeing how articles on some destinations got rusty, but quite afraid I will have too little time to participate in discussions etc. Happy to see most of the old guard still busy engaged, and some new names popping up on my Watchlist. Should you have anything to add to Lille, Bruges, Gent, Aachen, Maastricht, Breda or Rotterdam, I would be delighted to work alongside such a seasoned editor. See you around! PrinceGloria (talk) 15:21, 7 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
I haven't had the pleasure of visiting any of those cities as of yet. Take care, and thanks for the nice words! Ikan Kekek (talk) 17:03, 7 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
So great to see you back again, Prince! :) As you may have noticed, Bruges which you mentioned above a year ago, is featured as DotM right now. --Ypsilon (talk) 14:11, 23 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for the heads-up and for the welcome, Ypsilon. The article needs more pics and a bit of tidying-up, I will take a break from Trentino-Alto Adige and Veneto and get down to it in the little spare time I have. PrinceGloria (talk) 20:15, 23 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]