Wikivoyage:Destination of the month candidates

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Here we determine which articles are featured on the Main Page as Destination of the month (Dotm), Off the Beaten Path (OTBP) and Featured travel topics (FTT).

Nominate[edit]

You can nominate any article you would like to see featured. Any destination, region, itinerary or event that passes the "What is an article?" test is eligible for nomination.

However, before nominating, please check that the article follows these basic guidelines:

Well-known and/or popular destinations should be nominated as Destination of the Month, while more obscure destinations should be nominated for Off the Beaten Path. Travel topics, phrasebooks, itineraries and other articles should be nominated for Featured Travel Topic. Where applicable, you should propose a good time to visit the destination as a month to be featured.

The basic format of a nomination is as follows:

{{FeatureNom
| place=Destination
| blurb='''[[Destination]]''' is a place of contrasts, and as such it...
| status=Guide
| time=March-June
| nominatedBy=~~~~
| comment=Great article and it's just luvvly-jubbly in the springtime.
| DotMImage=[[File:Destinationimage.jpg|thumb|300px]]
}}

Add a nomination to the end of the appropriate section.

Discuss[edit]

You can comment on any nomination based on timeliness and adherence to the criteria above, just add a bullet point (*) and your signed opinion.

===[[Destination]]===
Great article and it's just luvvly-jubbly in the springtime. TravelNut 25:25, 31 Feb 2525 (EDT)
* Looks nice, but shouldn't the Do section contain more than just quilting contests? ~~~~

Please note that the following are not considered valid reasons to oppose a nomination:

  • "I don't like it." All objections have to be based on the guidelines above: poor formatting, missing information, etc. Personal opinions, dislikes, etc. do not count.
  • "Wrong time of year." Articles are supported or opposed based on their content. Timing can be worked out later.
  • "Wrong type of place." Articles are supported or opposed based on their content. Whether it's DotM or OtBP can be worked out later.

Select[edit]

If an article gets several comments in favor and none against for a week or so, it's eligible to be placed in an appropriate time-slot in the Upcoming queue. If the objections are relatively minor and are being worked on, add them to the Upcoming queue tentatively (add a question mark "?" after the article). Feel free to move the queue around or swap articles if it makes sense. If a nomination clearly does not make the grade and if the objections are not easily fixable, they go into the Slush pile

Once a nomination has been scheduled, an appropriate banner image and text blurb must be selected. Go to Wikivoyage:Destination of the month candidates/Banners to start that discussion.

Archive[edit]

Discussions for previously selected destinations are kept in the Archive.

Upcoming[edit]

Schedule[edit]

The following queue should contain about six months' worth of upcoming destinations. Note that new DotMs are rotated in on the 1st of each month, OtBPs on the 11th and travel topics on the 21st.

Month DotM OtBP FTT
July 2017 Ulaanbaatar Groningen King's Road (Finland)
August 2017 Aarhus - pending fixes and stronger consensus to support Yuzhno-Sakhalinsk - pending fixes and stronger consensus to support Oregon Trail - pending fixes (?) and stronger consensus to support
September 2017 Zurich - pending fixes and stronger consensus to support Kurashiki - pending stronger consensus to support Fast food in the United States and Canada
October 2017 Nashville Filadelfia - pending fixes and stronger consensus to support Manchester Airport - pending fixes (?) and stronger consensus to support
November 2017 Jakarta - pending fixes and stronger consensus to support Sde Boker American football - pending promotion to Guide status and stronger consensus to support
December 2017 Iguaçu Falls - pending fixes and stronger consensus to support Bozeman - pending fixes and stronger consensus to support Metric and Imperial equivalents - pending stronger consensus to support
or
European Union (see discussion on respective talk page)

These are not cast in stone, and the order can be changed if, for example, an excellent guide for a timely event is found. Whenever a guide becomes a current feature, it should be removed from the list, the discussion archived, and a new month added to the end of the queue. Alternatives are OK; the whole point is to enable some discussion as needed.

Next change[edit]

Decisions regarding which images to use as the banners are made here.

The section below provides an opportunity to see what the upcoming featured articles will look like on the Main Page using the banners that are currently most popular on the above page.

Destination of the Month[edit]

Ulaanbaatar

The gateway to the historical homeland of Genghis Khan, Mongolia's sprawling, chaotic capital is quite the contrast to the vast emptiness and solitude of the surrounding countryside.

Off the Beaten Path[edit]

Groningen

Crisscrossed by a network of picturesque canals, this small but lively college town in the far north of the Netherlands offers restored historic sites, a thriving nightlife, and refreshingly traffic-free streets — that is, except for bicycles!

Featured travel topic[edit]

King's Road, Finland

Following the southern coast of Finland from Turku to the Russian border, this old Medieval mail route connects much of the cultural heritage of the country.

Updating[edit]

On the date of the scheduled change, the DotM, OtBP, or FTT should be changed as close to midnight UTC as possible. When the featured page is changed, please follow the following procedures to do so and archive content to the appropriate pages. At each stage, please double-check that you are correctly moving content.

  1. Update the featured articles on the main page by replacing the current 'banner' template section with those of the appropriate banner for the new DotM/OtBP/FTT found in the Next change section above.
  2. Update the Photo credits page with the banner's original image, title and attribution.
  3. Add the former featured article to the appropriate archive page: Previous Destinations of the month, Previously Off the beaten path, or Previous Featured travel topics.
  4. Remove Template:Featurenomination from newly featured article.
  5. For the former featured article, add the appropriate parameter to the pagebanner template (directly after the image filename) to label the page as having been featured previously.
    • For former DotMs, add: dotm=yes
    • For former OtBPs, add: otbp=yes
    • For former FTTs, add: ftt=yes
  6. Archive the newly featured article's nomination. Simply cut-and-paste the nomination section of the newly featured article from this page to Wikivoyage:Destination of the Month candidates/Archive.
  7. Update the Next change section above by adding the banner from the discussion page. View the table in the Schedule section above to determine what next month's change will be, then update the image and blurb in the "Next change" section with that found in the upcoming featured article's nomination.
  8. Archive the newly featured article's banner by cutting-and-pasting all banner suggestions and the associated discussion into Wikivoyage:Destination of the month candidates/Banners/Archive.

Nominations for Destination of the Month[edit]

Nashville[edit]

Place: Nashville
Blurb: Tennessee's capital wears many hats (not just cowboy ones): country fans flock to "Music City, U.S.A." to visit the Grand Ole Opry and the Country Music Hall of Fame; others prefer the fantastic Neoclassical architecture and vibrant cultural institutions of the "Athens of the South". (should not exceed ~145 characters)
Article status: Guide (must be guide or above).
Time to feature: Mar-Nov
Nominated by: AndreCarrotflower (talk) 01:05, 23 May 2016 (UTC)
Comment: Another U.S. destination that's often been cited as a worthy DotM contender (see my remarks at Baltimore's nomination above).

Nomination
Nashville pano Opry Broadway.jpg


  • Very close. Most of the listings lack geo coordinates, but otherwise this article looks good to go. -- AndreCarrotflower (talk) 01:05, 23 May 2016 (UTC)
  • Almost — Coordinates! And removal of closed POIs and dead links a little before the article eventually goes live. ϒpsilon (talk) 17:32, 23 May 2016 (UTC)
  • Not yet. How many of the things I mentioned at Talk:Nashville#Prepare for Dotm have been dealt with? I think all of them should be dealt with or at least well into the process of being dealt with before we approve this for a feature. Ikan Kekek (talk) 23:42, 23 May 2016 (UTC)
  • Comment: I was just looking at that talk page again. No-one replied to any of my points in Talk:Nashville#Prepare for Dotm. If anyone would like to help prepare the article for Dotm, I think that's the place to start. Ikan Kekek (talk) 06:37, 28 September 2016 (UTC)
  • Almost - I second the coords comment. I think I remember trying to muster up coords for this article ages ago and it was a daunting task. Not to mention I think there needs to be a quick checkover to make sure all these attractions still are a thing. I'll task myself with adding some more coordinates as I find time to do so. I don't think the article needs much else beyond this honestly. Maybe more pictures since things get sparse past the drink section? DethDestroyerOfWords (talk) 13:46, 5 May 2017 (UTC)
  • Over the past day I've added a lot of coordinates to the article—now almost every listing has coordinates. I've also dealt with the dead links and addressed some (but not all) of Ikan Kekek's comments on the talk page. —Granger (talk · contribs) 18:17, 9 May 2017 (UTC)
  • Thanks a lot for your work! I think the article is in good shape now. Support. Ikan Kekek (talk) 22:26, 9 May 2017 (UTC)
  • Indeed. The article could still probably do with some additional edits, but certainly not on a scale that would preclude my current support. -- AndreCarrotflower (talk) 22:51, 9 May 2017 (UTC)
  • I'll support too. —Granger (talk · contribs) 17:19, 13 May 2017 (UTC)
  • That's three Support votes. Would anyone (Ypsi, DethDestroyerOfWords) care to make it a quorum? -- AndreCarrotflower (talk) 22:11, 12 June 2017 (UTC)
  • Listings seem to have coordinates now, and Mx. Granger apparently has removed dead links and dead attractions and businesses. So yeah, I think I can support it as well. ϒpsilon (talk) 04:12, 13 June 2017 (UTC)
  • Gave it a look over again. Looks good and has my Support. DethDestroyerOfWords (talk) 20:07, 13 June 2017 (UTC)
  • Support - but could do with a few more photographs. --Traveler100 (talk) 08:24, 18 June 2017 (UTC)

Zurich[edit]

Place: Zurich
Blurb: A decidedly hipper alternative to the button-down world of Geneva, Switzerland's largest city blends the medieval with the modern in a gorgeous setting at the head of the Limmat River. (should not exceed ~145 characters)
Article status: Guide (must be guide or above).
Time to feature: Sep 2016; otherwise May-Oct
Nominated by: AndreCarrotflower (talk) 15:21, 29 June 2016 (UTC)
Comment: It occurs to me that we need a replacement for Riga, which is still on the schedule to be featured as DotM in September despite a near-consensus that it should be slushed. What do you all think about this article?

Nomination
Zürich - Grossmünster - Wasserkirche IMG 1154 ShiftN.jpg


  • Very close, IMO probably the closest-to-perfect geographically and seasonally appropriate article that can be found with such a time crunch. Some of the listings need geo coordinates, and "Go next" could do with a nice pruning, but otherwise Zurich looks just about ready to me. -- AndreCarrotflower (talk) 15:21, 29 June 2016 (UTC)
  • Almost — Coordinates. The latter half of the article is as of now entirely void of photos. There are some old-style links and as usual it'd be good to check if everything listed in the article is still in business. Probably Go next could be cut down a little bit. ϒpsilon (talk) 17:56, 29 June 2016 (UTC)
  • Still needs work, but it's worth it, as the article improved markedly over the last two years or so. PrinceGloria (talk) 02:48, 4 July 2016 (UTC) EDIT: I have just taken a closer look. A LOT needs to be done to brush up the key "See" and "Do" sections. It is no less of a challenge than Riga to me, I am obviously all for us striving to improve both, but let us bear that in mind. PrinceGloria (talk) 03:04, 4 July 2016 (UTC)

Aarhus[edit]

Place: Aarhus
Blurb: The year as cultural capital with art, culinary experiences and festivals will make Jutland's youthful largest city even more exciting for visitors. (should not exceed ~145 characters)
Article status: Guide (must be guide or above).
Time to feature: 2017, when Aarhus is the European Capital of Culture. Jun-Sep is likely the best time weather-wise, but there are events all around the year so there's no problems having it on the Main Page earlier
Nominated by: ϒpsilon (talk) 17:14, 3 September 2016 (UTC)
Comment: Great article; everything is there! Understand is maybe a little listy, but perhaps fun facts are best presented like that. Aarhus as a mid-sized destination could work as both DotM and OtBP, though as the article is long and an event takes place in the city, I decided to put it in the former category.

Nomination
Your rainbow panorama på taget af ARoS Aarhus Kunstmuseum.jpg
  • Strong support ϒpsilon (talk) 17:14, 3 September 2016 (UTC)
  • I'm delighted to support the tireless work of RhinoMind to make this such a comprehensive guide. Before it's run, I feel sure the article will require a thorough review for copy editing, since English is not RhinoMind's first language (I've previously noticed mostly disagreements between subjects and verbs). I'd also ask RhinoMind whether s/he plans to make further major edits before the article is run, because I've held off on doing a complete copy edit while content has been steadily added. Ikan Kekek (talk) 18:10, 3 September 2016 (UTC)
  • Support - I really like this article! I saw RhinoMind editing it several months ago and thought it was excellent. I'm surprised it hasn't been featured yet. —The preceding comment was added by DethDestroyerOfWords (talkcontribs)
  • Almost. I hate to be a party pooper here, but there are a few things in this article that rub me the wrong way:
  • The bullet-point list of "interesting facts" in the Understand section should be converted to prose.
  • Listings in "See", "Do", "Buy", "Eat", "Drink" and "Sleep" need to be alphabetized.
  • We need to decide whether we're categorizing "Eat" listings by price point or by type of food - as it is now, the breakdown is a weird hybrid of both systems. And if it's by price point, then we need an Eatpricerange template that delineates what "Budget", "Mid-range", and "Splurge" signify exactly.
  • If we really need an exhaustive list of consulates, we should at least provide addresses and phone numbers for all of them.
  • "Go next" needs a good pruning.
-- AndreCarrotflower (talk) 04:03, 4 February 2017 (UTC)
  • Fixes applied:
  • I converted the bullet-point interesting facts to prose.
  • I alphabetized the See, Do, Buy, Drink and Sleep. Most of Eat was alphabetized.
  • For the Eat section, I shuffled a few things around to make them fit better into Budget/Mid/Splurge sections. Honestly, I think the hybrid system is the best for this article. My reasoning is thus: we could move listings into the default three price ranges but then we lose the "story" and you'd have three massive sections with less to differentiate why you should choose one place over the other. I feel the non-standard sections create a cohesive "narrative" and shows what makes Aarhus special and worth a visit. I don't think we should get rid of the budget/mid/splurge categories because there are travelers where price is THE determining factor for choosing a destination. If we absolutely must have one way or the other, I vote in favor of moving things to food type sections over our default three categories. I think the entire eat section could use a good pruning to make it a Star article, but for a DoTM article the way it be is sufficient.
  • I tried to find more details on the consulates and couldn't find stuff for most, so I removed those since an empty listing just saying "This (might) exist" doesn't strike me as good for a traveler.
  • Pruning Go next is problematic and I'm still mulling over how I want to fix it without undoing all of Rhino's hard work.
I think this article is on its way to becoming a real gem and I hope when it is featured we'll get some fresh editors for it. DethDestroyerOfWords (talk) 18:07, 16 February 2017 (UTC)
  • Support - comprehensive article, but agree the Go next section should be pruned. Also should the churches text be moved out of the Infobox and the beaches mentioned in Do section have marker coordinates? --Traveler100 (talk) 08:04, 18 June 2017 (UTC)

Ulaanbaatar[edit]

Place: Ulaanbaatar
Blurb: The gateway to the historical homeland of Genghis Khan, Mongolia's sprawling, chaotic capital is quite the contrast to the vast emptiness and solitude of the surrounding countryside. (should not exceed ~145 characters)
Article status: Guide (must be guide or above).
Time to feature: Jun-Aug (Jul for Nadaam festival?)
Nominated by: ϒpsilon (talk) 22:05, 17 December 2016 (UTC)
Comment: I think there's still one gap left in the schedule for a summer destination so how about this one? Someone needs to check whether listings, prices and weblinks are up to date but otherwise the article looks good to me. And yeah, there's a bulky table in Get in but it's easy to just nuke it should we want to.

Nomination
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  • Conditional support per comment ϒpsilon (talk) 22:05, 17 December 2016 (UTC)
  • Support. The article is a good read. Ikan Kekek (talk) 22:25, 17 December 2016 (UTC)
  • Conditional support per Ypsi's comment, and also there are some POIs without geo coordinates. -- AndreCarrotflower (talk) 22:37, 17 December 2016 (UTC)
Also, there are several instances of loosey-goosey use of Cyrillic script that violates Wikivoyage:Foreign words. I just corrected one but this needs to be attended to before featuring. -- AndreCarrotflower (talk) 22:50, 17 December 2016 (UTC)
  • Support. Great work AndreCarrotflower! I read through it and I couldn't find anything that needed fixing. Someone who's been there recently should ensure things are up-to-date, but as the article stands, it has my support. It's a good read, but I feel like there is a lot of copy-editing that needs done to make it more readable. In the very first section, I found a mis-word (primate instead of primary). I'm going through right now and trying to pare things down + copy-edit. Additionally, I think it needs more pictures to break up some of the large blocks of text that occur towards the bottom of the article. DethDestroyerOfWords (talk) 17:12, 3 March 2017 (UTC)
  • Not yet , so many listing out of date. --Traveler100 (talk) 16:56, 17 June 2017 (UTC)
1) The listings are being attended to currently, along with the rest of the article. 2) You picked a hell of a time to raise an objection as major as this, with less than two weeks before this article is due to go on the Main Page, banners already created and voted on, etc. Where has this concern about up-to-date listings been for the last seven months that this nomination has been sitting on this page? -- AndreCarrotflower (talk) 17:19, 17 June 2017 (UTC)
You ask for more people to help out with this area then wonder why they do not stay. (and I made the comment after updating 8 listings.) --Traveler100 (talk) 19:15, 19 June 2017 (UTC)
Letting an allegedly defective nominee sit on this page accumulating Support votes for seven months and then bringing to light a major objection with two weeks left to go before it's featured is not "helping out"; in fact it's very nearly the opposite. Updating eight listings is helpful, and thank you for that. I wish you'd mentioned having done that before springing your eleventh-hour "Not yet" vote on us. -- AndreCarrotflower (talk) 20:31, 19 June 2017 (UTC)
Support, looks better now. --Traveler100 (talk) 19:11, 21 June 2017 (UTC)
Per Recent changes, it looks like people have been attending to them over the last week or so, therefore I don't see it as a problem and I will join next week when I have more time. I even think it's optimal to save the checking of listings to a couple of weeks before the article goes on the Main Page, just as is the case with Ulaanbaatar now. If it's done when the article is nominated and it takes, say, a year and a half before the article gets featured, listings probably need one more checkup just before the article is featured. ϒpsilon (talk) 18:20, 17 June 2017 (UTC)
Yes Done ϒpsilon (talk) 18:47, 19 June 2017 (UTC)
Ulaanbaatar is a great city. But I was recently there and some of the entry wasn't accurate.
Dowling002, please fix anything that's inaccurate. Ikan Kekek (talk) 07:48, 18 June 2017 (UTC)
  • I've gone through the article with a fine-toothed comb and done a lot of copyediting and reformatting. It looks like the issue of missing geo coordinates and Cyrillic text were mostly solved before I got to it. I will happily upgrade my vote to full support, and invite DethDestroyerOfWords to take a look and see about doing the same. -- AndreCarrotflower (talk) 01:28, 21 June 2017 (UTC)

Boston[edit]

Place: Boston
Blurb: John Winthrop's "shining city on a hill" is one of the oldest and most historic in the U.S., jam-packed with sites from Colonial and Revolutionary days. But it's also a vibrant 21st-century metropolis, with a culture more in tune with modern-day college-town progressivism than the Puritan stodginess of years past. (should not exceed ~145 characters)
Article status: Guide (must be guide or above).
Time to feature: Apr-Oct
Nominated by: AndreCarrotflower (talk) 22:06, 2 March 2017 (UTC)
Comment: By now, ButteBag is probably sick of hearing me congratulate him about the fine work he's done on the Boston district articles, so I hope he'll indulge me one last time as I repeat that his work is rapidly elevating Boston to the same elite tier as Chicago, Washington, D.C., and San Francisco when it comes to superlative Wikivoyage coverage. There was recently a discussion regarding featuring Boston/Jamaica Plain-Mission Hill as DotM or OtBP wherein I suggested we "hold out and feature Boston itself rather than one of its districts", and now that all the district articles have attained at least Usable status, I've decided to go ahead and put this nomination up for consideration. I'm pretty sure ButteBag's response is going to be that he's not satisfied with the state of some of the district articles - I think I heard him mention that before - but given the fact that they all continue to develop at an admirable pace, and Boston won't be featured on the Main Page until next year at the earliest anyway, that leaves ample time for him to get them up to snuff.

Nomination
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  • Support as nominator. -- AndreCarrotflower (talk) 22:06, 2 March 2017 (UTC)
  • Support I am also very handsome and intelligent. (And trying to keep this updated going forward, thanks AndreCarrotflower!) --ButteBag (talk) 22:14, 2 March 2017 (UTC)
  • Conditional support User:ButteBag has really done superb work here, but as he (assuming he, please correct if wrong) has pointed out, there are some things that could still be improved. In the main article this mostly seems to be the history and the public transit sections, which do contain some old content as per http://www.copyscape.com (though history does not become outdated all that fast). All in all, I think we'll have a fine article by the time this goes live some time from now Hobbitschuster (talk) 23:48, 2 March 2017 (UTC)
  • Support without even skipping through the article tonight. I have confidence in ButteBag. Ikan Kekek (talk) 05:20, 3 May 2017 (UTC)

Jakarta[edit]

Place: Jakarta
Blurb: Indonesia's massive, chaotic capital pulses with life amidst the gridlock and cacophony: delicious food, endless shopping, and worthwhile cultural attractions await in the "Big Durian". (should not exceed ~145 characters)
Article status: Guide (must be guide or above).
Time to feature: Apr-Nov to avoid rainy season
Nominated by: AndreCarrotflower (talk) 23:36, 8 May 2017 (UTC)
Comment: We need a DotM for November 2017, and here's the perfect candidate - given Wikivoyage's exemplary coverage of Southeast Asia, I'm actually astonished this article hasn't yet been featured!

Nomination
JalanJenderalSudirmanJakarta.jpg


  • Support as nominator. Wonderful article; can't think of anything more it needs before featuring. For the record, a much less well-developed version of the article was slushed in 2008, but none of the criticisms leveled at that time have anything to do with the article in its current state. -- AndreCarrotflower (talk) 23:36, 8 May 2017 (UTC)
  • Comment: It certainly is detailed - good point. I'll be more comfortable when a bit of copy editing is done, though, and the article and probably the Jakarta district articles will have to be watched to prevent the introduction of more text in low-quality English. This is an ongoing issue in articles about Indonesia. I did a bit of copy editing, but I'm really not up to doing a big job tonight. Ikan Kekek (talk) 23:56, 8 May 2017 (UTC)
  • Support – looks like a good, detailed article, and I've done a pretty thorough copyedit. —Granger (talk · contribs) 02:03, 21 June 2017 (UTC)

Wales[edit]

Place: Wales
Blurb: Wales is a country rich in history and natural beauty (blurb needs work) (should not exceed ~145 characters)
Article status: Guide (must be guide or above).
Time to feature: May-Sep
Nominated by: Traveler100 (talk) 21:34, 25 May 2017 (UTC)
Comment: Time to feature a country.

Nomination
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  • Not yet. Everything up through "Talk" is great, but after that point - especially in "See" and "Do" - things get too list-y for a country article. The bullet points in "See", "Eat", "Drink", and (especially) "Do" should be converted to prose, with listings migrated to articles further down the breadcrumb hierarchy where necessary. The blurbs in "Go next" also could stand to be expanded. -- AndreCarrotflower (talk) 14:28, 27 May 2017 (UTC)
  • Should the events list stay as bullet points? Any suggestions on how to structure this and the Eat section? --Traveler100 (talk) 07:12, 31 May 2017 (UTC)

Iguaçu Falls[edit]

Place: Iguaçu Falls
Blurb: A thundering, awe-inspiring chain of nearly 300 cataracts splayed along the border between Brazil and Argentina, this is the Holy Grail for waterfall aficionados. (should not exceed ~145 characters)
Article status: Guide (must be guide or above).
Time to feature: Anytime; temperatures and precipitation are essentially the same year-round
Nominated by: AndreCarrotflower (talk) 01:27, 7 June 2017 (UTC)
Comment: A good choice for the December 2017 DotM slot, with some recent contributions including updated price information.

Nomination
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  • Close. The greatest need is for "See" to be listingified, with geo coordinates for all POIs. It would also be good if we could expand the "Brazilian side" subsection of "See". As well, "Eat" and "Sleep" might be expanded with a brief overview of information about options in nearby towns for those who don't want to eat/sleep in the park itself; "Get around" could use some padding as well, and "Go next" should be converted to one-line listings with internal links. -- AndreCarrotflower (talk) 01:27, 7 June 2017 (UTC)
  • Needs some work. In addition to what Andre just said, Understand definitely needs expansion. --ϒpsilon (talk) 17:34, 9 June 2017 (UTC)
  • Needs work. I agree with what's been said already, especially about the "Brazilian side" subsection of "See". Eat and Sleep need coordinates too. And more importantly, I'm somewhat confused about the relationship between this article and Iguazú National Park and Iguaçu National Park (both outlines). Currently there is considerable duplication between this article and the other two—is that what we want? Or should this article provide a general overview while details and listings stay in the two national park articles? Or should those two articles be merged into this one? I've been considering a trip to Iguazú Falls recently, and when looking into it I found myself uncertain about which of these articles to look at for what kind of information, so I'd like to clarify the situation somehow before featuring this on the main page. —Granger (talk · contribs) 18:09, 9 June 2017 (UTC)
Granger - According to the information in the above article, it seems that while border formalities exist, they are pretty relaxed, and the two parks seem to function rather more as one single cross-border entity. Given that, I think it would be fine to merge and redirect both Iguazú National Park and Iguaçu National Park into Iguaçu Falls. As for which spelling to use, perhaps the Google test is best? -- AndreCarrotflower (talk) 04:30, 11 June 2017 (UTC)
That sounds fine to me. I just think the situation needs to be resolved one way or the other. —Granger (talk · contribs) 01:54, 21 June 2017 (UTC)

Bangkok/Pratunam[edit]

Place: Bangkok/Pratunam
Blurb: The markets and malls of Pratunam are a magnet for shoppers, and towering above them is Bangkok's highest building with breathtaking views from its roof deck. (should not exceed ~145 characters)
Article status: Star (must be guide or above).
Time to feature: According to Bangkok#Climate Nov-Apr. (Khao San Road was featured in March 2015)
Nominated by: ϒpsilon (talk) 18:35, 9 June 2017 (UTC)
Comment: We've featured all Bangkok's Star articles except for this one. Pratunam seems to be quite centrally located so I guess it is a DotM — though if someone who knows Bangkok and disagrees, feel free to move the nomination to OtBP. There have been some recent updates to the article, though we should of course still check if everything is still in business before the article goes on the Main Page.

Nomination
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  • Support, but... The article has Star status, but let's remember to update it before it goes live... ϒpsilon (talk) 18:35, 9 June 2017 (UTC)
  • Support - Featuring a Star article is a no-brainer, with the caveats that you give. It looks like the last time a Bangkok guide was featured was Khao San Road in March, 2015, as you mention above, so presuming this article wouldn't be featured until at least 2018, that seems long enough in between features. Ikan Kekek (talk) 10:00, 10 June 2017 (UTC)
  • Support. I agree with Ypsi that we should check to make sure all information is up to date, and given that this article has a static map, it would be nice if someone could update that, too, if necessary. -- AndreCarrotflower (talk) 04:34, 11 June 2017 (UTC)
  • Support. - I agree that checking for up-to-date information should be done before it goes live, but beyond this I have no qualms about featuring the article.

Valencia[edit]

Place: Valencia
Blurb: The home town of paella features attractions from many epochs and lights up every spring during the falles festival. (should not exceed ~145 characters)
Article status: Guide (must be guide or above).
Time to feature: Feb or Mar 2018 for the Falles festival. Otherwise, maybe spring or fall?
Nominated by: ϒpsilon (talk) 18:35, 9 June 2017 (UTC)
Comment: Yet another informative, extensive, colorful and I think rather up to date article largely written by User:StellarD. I can't really find anything to complain about here.

Nomination
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  • Support as nominator. ϒpsilon (talk) 18:35, 9 June 2017 (UTC)
  • Support. Stellar guide. Great pictures, solid descriptions, map with all the listings marked, fun to read... don't see any immediate problems with this one. PerryPlanet (talk) 20:14, 9 June 2017 (UTC)
  • Support, with a couple comments. I'd planned on nominating this myself eventually, after completing the following tasks: (1) replacing the banner (it's rather dull); (2) rewriting and updating the lede and understand section for SEO purposes; and (3) adding several more entries to the Neighbourhoods section. – StellarD (talk) 08:48, 10 June 2017 (UTC)
  • Support - In skipping through it, it looks great, as was mentioned above, and with you all supporting and StellarD planning to make further edits, I don't feel like I need to read every line in order to support. I actually find the banner somewhat interesting and certainly unusual; however, I'll look with interest in what you come up with as a replacement. Ikan Kekek (talk) 10:05, 10 June 2017 (UTC)
  • Support - On quick inspection the article itself looks fine.
I notice, though, that both Valencia (region) and Valencia (province) have many empty sections. It would be good to fix that before featuring this article. I do not know the area so cannot tell if that means just deleting the headings or adding content. Pashley (talk) 12:46, 10 June 2017 (UTC)
  • Adding my perhaps redundant voice to the chorus of Support votes. -- AndreCarrotflower (talk) 04:32, 11 June 2017 (UTC)

Christchurch[edit]

Place: Christchurch
Blurb: The largest city in New Zealand's South Island and gateway to the rugged peaks and wide-open spaces of the Southern Alps, whose phoenixlike rebirth from the devastation of the 2011 Canterbury earthquakes has in itself become a marquee attraction for visitors. (should not exceed ~145 characters)
Article status: Guide (must be guide or above).
Time to feature: Oct-Mar
Nominated by: AndreCarrotflower (talk) 19:17, 12 June 2017 (UTC)
Comment: The flood of new nominees continues. It strikes me that we haven't had an Antipodean feature in a while, and January 2018 seems an ideal time to put New Zealand in the limelight.

Nomination
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  • Very close. Some listings need geo coordinates; "Eat" needs a price range template and to be alphabetized, "Drink" listings need to be alphabetized and in some cases listingified. Easy fixes all. -- AndreCarrotflower (talk) 19:17, 12 June 2017 (UTC)
  • Wait until late 2018. Following the Kaikoura earthquake of 14 November 2016 ,the main road from the north (SH1) is currently subject to a length diversion for the rest of 2017 or longer, and trains are not expected to run from Picton before mid-2018. I will look more closely at the article in a few days, but I don't think that there are major problems with it. AlasdairW (talk) 21:31, 12 June 2017 (UTC)
I fail to understand why this is a problem. The affected stretch of SH1 is some 200 km northeast of Christchurch center, and as the DotM blurb and article both make clear, Christchurch is the principal point of entry for the entire South Island. Therefore, for the vast majority of Wikivoyage's reading audience, the most logical way to arrive in Christchurch would be by air directly into the city, and in fact the only people who would be impeded from getting in to Christchurch would be folks living in certain areas in the far north of the South Island. Certainly the closure of SH1 might possibly affect visitors who'd like to use Christchurch as a base to explore the rest of the island (though that too is mostly avoidable given a properly planned itinerary), but by the same token, the rest of the island isn't up for DotM. -- AndreCarrotflower (talk) 21:53, 12 June 2017 (UTC)
It is not a show stopper, but I think it would be preferable not to feature Christchurch at a time when Get In needs regular updates. I expect that most readers would visit Christchurch as part of a 2-4 week tour of New Zealand (with the exception of readers who live in New Zealand). The average length of stay of international visitors in NZ is 19 days. AlasdairW (talk) 22:38, 12 June 2017 (UTC)
  • Support. Aside of a couple of photos in the latter half of the article and a handful of missing coordinates, this looks like a solid article. As nearly always, we need to check if everything is still in business a month before the article goes on the Main Page. Concerning the destroyed highway, there seems to be a detour in place and it wouldn't be the first time we'd feature a place where the situation can change. Andre probably remembers Mount Rinjani which erupted when the article was on the nominations page and the mountain was closed for a few months, but had just reopened to visitors when we featured it. ϒpsilon (talk) 16:05, 20 June 2017 (UTC)

North Vancouver[edit]

Place: North Vancouver
Blurb: This is two cities north of downtown Vancouver. With nice beaches like Panorama Park or Cates Park. Great hiking in the North shore mountains. Or you could just relax and enjoy the view or the skiing. (should not exceed ~145 characters)
Article status: Guide (must be guide or above).
Time to feature: Dec-Sept
Nominated by: Dowling002 (talk) 07:16, 18 June 2017 (UTC)
Comment: It has been almost a year since a Canadian city has been nominated and ten years since a city in BC has been nominated. So why not one of the beautiful cities in Canada.

Nomination
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  • There was discussion about this guide for DotM at Wikivoyage talk:Destination of the month candidates#Vancouver district articles for Dotm? I'd be happy to support, as the article looks good and I understand from the linked discussion that Shaundd will continue to edit and update the article before it's featured (probably in 2019). Ikan Kekek (talk) 07:34, 18 June 2017 (UTC)
  • Support, but is this truly a DotM or would it perhaps work better as an OtBP? -- AndreCarrotflower (talk) 17:29, 18 June 2017 (UTC)
  • Very close — A couple of listings lack coordinates and there are some things in Do that should be expended a bit (Festivals etc.), also it would be nice with a few photos in the latter half of the article but this can be fixed fairly quickly, I think. ϒpsilon (talk) 18:45, 18 June 2017 (UTC)
  • Support -- I still need to refresh/expand a number of sections, and some things will need to be rewritten before featuring as Seabus service is expected to improve and a couple of attractions are moving and being expanded within the next 2-3 years, but I'll make sure that's done as it happens. With respect to DotM/OtBP, I'd say DotM is a better fit because people visit it as part of a trip to a DotM destination (Vancouver), but I'm not fussed either way. Note - I changed the featuring time to Dec-Sept. The fall, particularly Nov, isn't a great time to visit. It's between summer and snow season and the weather is usually awful (rain and more rain). I was also thinking a catchier blurb could be, Take in the views, or hit the trails, slopes or water, in Vancouver's mountain playground. Feel free to ignore/edit as fit. -Shaundd (talk) 01:32, 19 June 2017 (UTC)
Shaundd - There's no doubt that Vancouver itself is DotM rather than OtBP (in fact, it was DotM in June 2005, before we started running OtBPs, but if we were to rerun it today it would clearly be the former and not the latter). However, when talking about how to categorize a Huge City district article, the comparison to make is with other districts of the same city. Take Toronto for instance: Canada's own Great White Way, Yonge-Dundas, would clearly be DotM, while the spread-out and suburblike Etobicoke would be OtBP. I have no familiarity with Vancouver, but you obviously do. So, imagine you're a first-time visitor with a workable but limited amount of time to spend there, and think about which districts you'd spend the most time in, and you'll be a long way toward an answer. -- AndreCarrotflower (talk) 20:41, 19 June 2017 (UTC)
Ah OK, thanks for clarifying. On that basis, I'd still lean towards DotM, although it depends on how far you take "limited amount of time". If you only have one day in Vancouver, you're probably not going to spend it in North Vancouver (most people would probably cover two or three of the City Center, West End/Stanley Park, Granville Island and Gastown). After that though, it's fair game for day two or three, I'd say. Two attractions often appear on top XX list of things to see in Vancouver (Grouse Mountain and the Capilano Suspension Bridge) and the Grouse Grind is considered one of the busiest hikes in Metro Vancouver (and it gets tourist traffic too). It's also really easy to get to from the city center -- you just hop on the Seabus and take a 12 minute ferry ride (which plenty of tourists do) -- and the City of North Van is adding a number of attractions that are within a 5 min walk from the Seabus station. I'm not fussed either way, but I'd say many travellers who spend at least three days in Vancouver probably spend some time in North Vancouver. And for what page view stats are worth, North Vancouver is (on a monthly average) second in page views to the City Center. -Shaundd (talk) 02:23, 20 June 2017 (UTC)
Definitely a gray area, but based on what you said, I would also lean toward DotM. -- AndreCarrotflower (talk) 03:43, 20 June 2017 (UTC)

Nominations for Off the Beaten Path[edit]

Groningen[edit]

Place: Groningen
Blurb: Crisscrossed by a network of picturesque canals, this small but lively college town in the far north of the Netherlands offers restored historic sites, a thriving nightlife, and refreshingly traffic-free streets — that is, except for bicycles! (should not exceed ~145 characters)
Article status: Guide (must be guide or above).
Time to feature: All year round, preference for summer months
Nominated by: Iceandsnow (talk) 22:38, 12 March 2016 (UTC)
Comment: On the article's talk page Groningen was suggested for DotM. This city is popular among the Dutch and deserves a wider public.

Nomination
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  • Support. May need some minor copyedits, but otherwise good to go. -- AndreCarrotflower (talk) 22:52, 12 March 2016 (UTC)
  • Support, more or less along the lines AndreCarrotflower lays out. I copy edited through the end of "Understand". Some sections should be alphabetized. But there sure isn't a lack of information. Ikan Kekek (talk) 06:09, 13 March 2016 (UTC)
  • Support — looks good and is beautifully illustrated. ϒpsilon (talk) 06:42, 13 March 2016 (UTC)
  • Move to OtBP - if this is not off the beaten track, then what in Europe is? This may not be the smallest backwater town in NL, but going to Groningen isn't probably on anybody's bucket list. PrinceGloria (talk) 14:59, 28 March 2016 (UTC)
    • Disagree. Groningen is for Dutch standards a 'big' city, the metropolitan area counts 360,748 inhabitants. OtBP is intended for small cities, villages or unusual destinations. In the Groningen region for example Bourtange, Schiermonnikoog or Appingedam. Iceandsnow (talk) 16:16, 28 March 2016 (UTC)
      • Where does it say that OtBP needs to be a small hamlet? It says that it's for "destinations lesser known", and for an English-speaking traveller Groningen is certainly lesser-known than many smaller, yet popular cities and towns throughout Europe. We've had Turku and Trondheim, some of the key cities in their countries, as OtBPs. PrinceGloria (talk) 18:04, 28 March 2016 (UTC)
        • Well, I think you've got a point. Groningen is in my opinion suitable for DotM, but OtBP is also an option. Lets wait and see what other users think about this discussion. Iceandsnow (talk) 18:37, 28 March 2016 (UTC)
Groningen, like Turku and Trondheim (and Lodz and many others) are places that IMO could work well both as DotM or OtBP. ϒpsilon (talk) 18:50, 28 March 2016 (UTC)
The terms "off the beaten path" are of course abused quite often, but if we look at the grand scheme of things, I think Groningen belongs into OtBP for similar reasons that Antigua Guatemala belongs into DotM... compare Groningen to other places in its region - whether you draw the region boundary at the edge of Benelux, the Netherlands or Europe, it is quite easy to think of quite a handful of places that are much more tourist-y. For Antigua Guatemala very much the precise opposite is true. To sum my argument up in one sentence: How many of the "do Europe" crowd visits Groningen? Hobbitschuster (talk) 19:11, 28 March 2016 (UTC)
I was on the fence about this question, but Hobbitschuster's arguments have convinced me. Let's move it to OtBP. -- AndreCarrotflower (talk) 19:41, 28 March 2016 (UTC)
  • Support, but the eat-section should be updated and expanded a bit. Closed establishments have been removed, but the best and most popular restaurants opened in more recent years have not been added. JuliasTravels (talk) 14:28, 24 January 2017 (UTC)
  • Support, quality article --Traveler100 (talk) 17:26, 17 June 2017 (UTC)

Sde Boker[edit]

Place: Sde Boker
Blurb: A winery with an experimental history and great places to hike await you in this scenic Negev desert kibbutz which was also the long-time home and final resting place of Israel's first prime minister. (should not exceed ~145 characters)
Article status: Guide (must be guide or above).
Time to feature: November-April (as with Ein Gedi)?
Nominated by: ϒpsilon (talk) 09:58, 24 June 2016 (UTC)
Comment: This is a tidy article and looks complete for a destination with 426 inhabitants. With Hiking and backpacking in Israel in September, I think there's enough space between them to have this one on the main page e.g. in February? Ps. thank you to Tamuz (who else?) who's created the article and written most of the content.

Nomination
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  • Support ϒpsilon (talk) 09:58, 24 June 2016 (UTC)
  • Support. I'm satisfied with it, too. Unless someone wants to add a "Connect" section to discuss cell phone and Wi-Fi signals, it doesn't seem really likely to me that more than little copy editing tweaks are in the article's future. I haven't been there, though. Ikan Kekek (talk) 10:19, 24 June 2016 (UTC)
  • Support. The article looks good, but five months between this one and Hiking and backpacking in Israel is too close for comfort, I think, especially given how small a country Israel is and how disproportionately often we've had it on the Main Page these past few years (Ein Gedi, Golan Trail, Mitzpe Ramon as well as the aforementioned Hiking and backpacking). In an ideal scenario we'd hold Sde Boker off until after next summer, but I'd be okay with April 2017 as a compromise. -- AndreCarrotflower (talk) 14:53, 24 June 2016 (UTC)
  • Your point on not overscheduling articles about Israel is well taken. However, I'm sure you'd agree that summer wouldn't be a good time to feature an article about a Northern Hemisphere desert community! I'd much rather hold off until November 2017 than run it in the summer. Ikan Kekek (talk) 07:33, 25 June 2016 (UTC)
Andre suggested running it in April. Is it already too hot in April in Israel? ϒpsilon (talk) 07:45, 25 June 2016 (UTC)
My point was that if we wait past April, we should wait till November. I am not expressing an opinion about whether April is too hot. Ikan Kekek (talk) 08:18, 25 June 2016 (UTC)
We should, just as it says in the "time to feature" parameter above. ϒpsilon (talk) 08:33, 25 June 2016 (UTC)
It appears that "after the summer" is what's confusing. Let me rephrase. If it were left up to me, we'd feature it in November 2017 or after, because of the overscheduling of Israeli destinations. However, if there are any objections to that, I'd consider April 2017 a workable compromise. -- AndreCarrotflower (talk) 22:50, 29 June 2016 (UTC)
  • Support - Read through it and it's a very complete little article. I don't see any copy-edits that need doing. I think just a quick check before it is featured is needed to make sure things are up-to-date would be a good idea. DethDestroyerOfWords (talk) 18:56, 9 May 2017 (UTC)

Gaspé Peninsula[edit]

Place: Gaspé Peninsula
Blurb: The far eastern tip of Quebec, where the Appalachian Mountains plunge into the ocean, is a wild and wonderful place with something for everyone: breathtaking scenery, all the seafood you can eat, and some of the best skiing in Eastern Canada. (blurb needs work) (should not exceed ~145 characters)
Article status: Outline for now, but please see comments below. (must be guide or above).
Time to feature: Jun-Sep
Nominated by: AndreCarrotflower (talk) 19:45, 14 July 2016 (UTC)
Comment: Maybe I'm jumping the gun in nominating this now, but hear me out.

Nomination
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  • Right now I'm in the midst of what has proven to be a very, very long and protracted update of the Buffalo district articles. I should be finished with that in a week or two, at which point I plan to start again on my long-dormant Gaspé Peninsula project. Despite what it may look like, the majority of the work has already been finished - Gaspé Peninsula itself has all the content it needs; the only thing keeping it from being bumped up to Guide status right now is the state of the articles below it in the breadcrumb hierarchy. Wikivoyage:Region guide status states that for a Region article to be evaluated at Guide level, all subregions must be at Usable status or better; in turn, for each subregion to be at Usable status, the most important of their respective "Cities" and "Other destinations" must be at Usable status or better. My course of action has been to go our readers one better and ensure that all of the bottom-level articles are at least Usable, and the most important ones are at Guide.
So, by way of a breakdown of the work that remains to be done to get this article up to Guide status, there are three main components:
  1. Writing Guide articles for the most important bottom-level destinations. Thus far I've written and/or improved Percé, Chandler, and Forillon National Park to Guide standards; each of those took about two or three weeks apiece. Looking forward, I'd like to have Bonaventure, Gaspé, Sainte-Anne-des-Monts, Gaspésie National Park, and maybe Amqui at Guide status too.
  2. Bringing all other bottom-level destinations to Usable status. Given that Usable articles only require a "Get in" section plus one listing each in "See", "Eat", and "Sleep", a clip of two or three of these per day is not an unreasonable expectation.
  3. Bringing subregion articles The Coast, Upper Gaspé, Land's End, Chaleur Bay, and Matapédia Valley up to Usable status. Aside from the status of the bottom-level destinations, the only thing a Region article requires to be Usable is a "Get in" section and a "See" section where the most prominent attractions are listed. Again, a clip of two or three of these per day is not an unreasonable expectation, though I'll likely end up including a bit more content than that.
Again, maybe it would be better to have delayed this nomination until I was further along in the process, but I wanted to make sure this article got up on the page before all the summer 2017 OtBP slots were gone - Nauru and Groningen have already taken two of them. (For those who think it's audacious to have jumped the gun like this, it might be germane to note that Buffalo was technically at Outline status for most of the time it was on this page; it still had two redlinked district articles when it was nominated, the last of which didn't "go blue" until three days before it went on the Main Page.) If by some slim chance Gaspé Peninsula isn't ready for the Main Page by then, we can easily put it off till 2018. But I highly doubt that will happen.
-- AndreCarrotflower (talk) 19:45, 14 July 2016 (UTC)
  • Comment I haven't looked at the articles that carefully (some like Percé are in great shape, on the other hand there are others like Matapédia Valley which obviously need more content) but I trust you'll get all of them to usable or better until next summer. Concerning Nauru, I imagined that one was scheduled for March. ϒpsilon (talk) 10:52, 15 July 2016 (UTC)
While we could probably get away with featuring Nauru in March, it's less than ideal - per w:Nauru#Climate it's still a fairly rainy time of year there. Climatically speaking, the best time to run Nauru would be either between mid-spring and early summer or in the early autumn (Northern Hemisphere in both cases), but I'd caution against slotting it in May or June because it would likely be competing with nominees from temperate latitudes that can't really be featured any other time of year. I had imagined April 2017 to be a fair compromise, but there's certainly some wiggle room there if necessary (especially if the deficiencies ChubbyWimbus mentioned aren't fixed in time). -- AndreCarrotflower (talk) 16:26, 15 July 2016 (UTC)
Yeah, in the summer there's a ton of brilliant articles but only so many months, in the winter it's exactly other way around :( .
As the one who translated/googled up much of the content currently in the Nauru article, I will probably help out with Nauru at some point. ϒpsilon (talk) 17:51, 15 July 2016 (UTC)
  • Conditional support. I trust your judgment in assuring everyone of what you will do, and therefore give a supporting vote based on your superb track record of producing articles of exceptional quality. That said, please inform us of when you think the articles in question are ready, so that we can judge for ourselves at that time. Ikan Kekek (talk) 00:14, 17 July 2016 (UTC)
I of course fully understand the conditional nature of your support, Ikan. But, to be clear, I see the Gaspé Peninsula article itself as essentially complete, and don't foresee any particular changes to it between now and when it goes on the Main Page, other than the redlinks in the "Regions" section being upgraded to live articles. So you can feel free to base your judgment on the content of the article rather than just my track record. -- AndreCarrotflower (talk) 06:12, 17 July 2016 (UTC)
I haven't reread anything close to the entire article yet, but of course it looks great. I think "Get in/By car" may require an update, though: Did the extension of A-20 as far as Trois-Pistoles that was supposed to open by 2015 open yet? Ikan Kekek (talk) 07:16, 17 July 2016 (UTC)
Ikan - Latest reports are that they've extended A-20 about 14 kilometers eastward to the outskirts of Trois-Pistoles, but according to Wikipedia the interchange serving Trois-Pistoles itself isn't expected to be in service until later this year. I've updated the article to reflect that. -- AndreCarrotflower (talk) 17:45, 17 July 2016 (UTC)
Is Gaspe actually off the beaten path, or should it be DotM? I'd say the latter because the one time I visited, mid-summer in the 1970s, it was absolutely flooded with tourists. Pashley (talk) 08:36, 7 April 2017 (UTC)
When I was there in 2012, it was indeed crowded with tourists, but they were mostly other Québécois. Gaspé seems relatively less well-known among English-Canadians and almost completely unknown among non-Canadians. -- AndreCarrotflower (talk) 10:41, 7 April 2017 (UTC)

Brownsville (Texas)[edit]

Place: Brownsville (Texas)
Blurb: Adjoined by Mexico and the Gulf of Mexico, Brownsville is the gateway into Latin America. (should not exceed ~145 characters)
Article status: Guide (must be guide or above).
Time to feature: Mar-Sep
Nominated by: De88 (talk) 06:14, 16 November 2016 (UTC)
Comment: Thorough article detailing a unique city in the United States. Not many can have the perks of bordering Mexico, the Gulf of Mexico and a popular resort town all within minute distances from one another. For this reason, I believe Brownsville is the prime destination for an Off the Beaten Path nomination, as it features characteristics not found elsewhere. I will say that the article's detail on restaurants, background information, tourist attractions, geo-tagging and more persuaded me to nominate it, along with an admin who suggested the same.

Nomination
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  • Support as nominator. De88 (talk) 19:30, 18 November 2016 (UTC)
  • Very close — The article is informative and there are no stylistic issues. I assume it's up to date too, given De88's work on the article as of lately. There are just two small things that would be nice to have. Firstly the Connect section is empty. If Brownsville has some Internet cafees or Wi-Fi hotspots, they can be listed here, and if there are some problems travelers should know of when it comes to Internet and telephony (e.g. cell phones switching to the Mexican network during a call), this is the place to mention them. Secondly, the latter third of the article could use a couple of photos. ϒpsilon (talk) 09:07, 16 November 2016 (UTC)
  • Support. I've been following the progress of this article. I don't think De88 is totally done editing it (correct?), and I'm sure the article will be in even better shape whenever it's actually featured. Ikan Kekek (talk) 07:42, 18 November 2016 (UTC)
My support is in abeyance until the galleries are deleted, as per my remarks at User talk:De88. Ikan Kekek (talk) 09:42, 21 November 2016 (UTC)
Deleted the photo gallery. Still would like to post the pictures just individually. De88 (talk) 20:36, 22 November 2016 (UTC)
By all means, post photos individually, space allowing, but it might be best to keep some space between them, so as not to overwhelm the reader. Ikan Kekek (talk) 02:20, 23 November 2016 (UTC)
De88, you still have 3 photos of international bridges next to each other and 2 photos of shopping areas next to each other. That's not in keeping with Wikivoyage style. You might want to look at WV:Image policy#Image alignment. Ikan Kekek (talk) 02:24, 23 November 2016 (UTC)
My bad. I completely forgot about those pictures. Will delete them. Thanks for letting me know. De88 (talk) 02:53, 23 November 2016 (UTC)
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  • Close. Some notes:
  • The gallery-style horizontal rows of images are against policy (see Wikivoyage:Image policy#Montages and galleries) and have to go, especially the one at the end of the "See" section, which overhangs the text margin on my display (see image at right).
  • Some of the listing sections, especially #Museums and the "Eat", "Drink", and "Sleep" subsections, are a bit on the long side and should be further subdivided.
  • "Buy" seems noticeably incomplete, especially compared to the other sections.
-- AndreCarrotflower (talk) 05:13, 21 November 2016 (UTC)
First suggestion already executed. Second suggestion: By subdivided, do you mean adding more tabs on to what is already in place or compress the sections? Third suggestion: I do not know what else to write about there. Downtown, Pablo Kisel/Morrison and Boca Chica are three large places spanning a wide range of hot spots in the city. I tried picking a big area to avoid over-doing the section. De88 (talk) 20:37, 22 November 2016 (UTC)
The image galleries were by far the largest of those three concerns, so much so that I can probably upgrade my vote to full support.
As for the other two issues: there are a lot of museums that you've listed and they all seem valuable for the traveller, but we don't like to have lists on this site that number more than ~9 items. So what you should think about then is, what different kinds of museums are represented on the list? Historical museums? Science museums? And so forth. Then split the listings up into subcategories. For "Eat", "Drink" and "Sleep", I'd first split them up geographically (you mentioned that Downtown, Pablo Kisel/Morrison and Boca Chica are three lively areas; those three plus an "Elsewhere" category might be a good idea) and then break down each of those categories into Budget, Mid-range and Splurge. As for "Buy", are there any individual stores in Brownsville that travellers might be interested in? If so, you might want to give them their own listings.
Again, though, the major problem - the photos - has already been solved, so everything else I mentioned above you can consider opportunities to further spit-shine what is IMO already a worthy feature article.
-- AndreCarrotflower (talk) 02:29, 23 November 2016 (UTC)
Thank you for the suggestions. Will try to take your advice. De88 (talk) 03:09, 23 November 2016 (UTC)
As De88 continues to work on the article, I am reinstating my support. There are no more photo galleries or pictures next to each other, and the "Buy" section is also coming along. If there are any particularly good stores for jewelry, dresses and shoes, please provide separate listings for them. Ikan Kekek (talk) 06:44, 2 December 2016 (UTC)
Update: I just finished my semester in college and will devote more time into editing this article. What suggestions do y'all have to make this article stand out even more? Feedback is greatly appreciated. De88 (talk) 18:32, 14 December 2016 (UTC)
  • Support - This article looks very complete and surely feature-worthy. I wouldn't mind another image in the last part of the article - but that's a detail. Good work. JuliasTravels (talk) 22:39, 4 February 2017 (UTC)

Time to feature[edit]

It's certainly against no policy to change the months to feature, but let's discuss it. Do you really think that Texas summers are ideal for most visitors? Ikan Kekek (talk) 03:19, 21 December 2016 (UTC)

Well, South Padre Island is an extremely popular destination during Spring Break and summer months. The Island and Brownsville rely on each other economically since they are very close to each other. They are only 20 minutes away from each other. The city sees more tourists during these months, believe it or not. Winter Texans do come in the hundreds of thousands but millions come here, especially during March. *What do you think, Ikan Kekek? De88 (talk) 03:25, 21 December 2016 (UTC)
You're the expert, not I, and you explained your reasoning clearly, so I'm happy to defer to you. Ikan Kekek (talk) 05:32, 24 December 2016 (UTC)

Yuzhno-Sakhalinsk[edit]

Place: Yuzhno-Sakhalinsk
Blurb: Located throughout its history on the frontiers of both the Japanese and Russian empires, both those cultures have left their mark on this oil boomtown hacked out of the primeval wilds of Sakhalin. (should not exceed ~145 characters)
Article status: Guide (must be guide or above).
Time to feature: May-Sep
Nominated by: AndreCarrotflower (talk) 15:34, 23 November 2016 (UTC)
Comment: Please see User talk:Ypsilon#Oregon Trail for the backstory as to how this nomination came about.

Nomination
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  • Close. The article lacks a dynamic map, and most listings need geo coordinates. Looks to be in good shape otherwise, though. -- AndreCarrotflower (talk) 15:34, 23 November 2016 (UTC)
  • Almost Listing update & coordinates — the usual drill with guide articles that haven't been updated in a while. We haven't featured an article from this corner of the world in quite a couple of years so I'm looking forward to seeing this one there. ϒpsilon (talk) 20:14, 23 November 2016 (UTC)
  • Comment: this article was not updated for ages, and I believe that its practical information is mostly wrong. One Russian editor visited the city this summer, and he made some updates in the Russian article, but he has not checked everything. Additionally, the city itself is quite boring and of relatively little interest to anyone. What should be featured is Sakhalin as a whole, or perhaps natural attractions on the island. Not the cities. --Alexander (talk) 20:30, 23 November 2016 (UTC)
Sakhalin was already featured in May 2010. As for the city being boring, that's why it was nominated as OtBP and not DotM. Please see dotm#Discuss - "I don't like it" and the like are explicitly cited as not being valid reasons to oppose a nominee. -- AndreCarrotflower (talk) 20:36, 23 November 2016 (UTC)
I didn't think Otbp was for boring nominees, just nominees that are not heavily visited. If a place is really deadly boring, what is the point of featuring an article about it? That said, based on the contents of the article, it doesn't seem like there's actually nothing to see or do in Yuzhno-Sakhalinsk, and since it's a place people visiting Sakhalin are likely to fly to, recommendations of what to do while they're there and how to get to other parts of the island seem helpful, and I think we can therefore dispense with the argument that the article is per se unfeaturable because of the deficiencies of the city. However, I'm concerned about Alexander's points about the information being obsolete or otherwise wrong. Until it's corrected, I will have to oppose a feature. Ikan Kekek (talk) 20:45, 23 November 2016 (UTC)
Kindly note that I added a comment and not an Oppose vote. When destinations of this type are featured, it tells people that Wikivoyage has run out of interesting destinations, which definitely hurts the reputation of the project. And I did not say "I don't like it". I said that there is nothing to see beyond one notable Japanese building. --Alexander (talk) 20:50, 23 November 2016 (UTC)
  • Comment as per User:Atsirlin; while the "boringness" of a place may not be a reason to withhold featuring, an article not having been updated in "ages" is. Not only because of SEO concerns but also because information is likely to be outdated. We want to feature our best and brightest, and that includes articles being up to date. Hobbitschuster (talk) 20:42, 23 November 2016 (UTC)
  • The concerns about outdated and possibly factually inaccurate information seem insurmountable to me, given the lack of much information online or any Wikivoyagers on the ground in Sakhalin. Barring any objections, I think this should go on the Slush pile.
To address the concerns about boringness vis-à-vis categorization as OtBP: I stand corrected by Ikan's above comment, though in light of it I would posit that if an article has attained Guide status and thus is eligible to be featured, then it must ipso facto be "of interest to" at least some travellers. Wikivoyage:City guide status, Wikivoyage:Region guide status, and Wikivoyage:Park guide status all explicitly require Guide-level articles to have "information on multiple attractions and things to do" (emphasis in original).
-- AndreCarrotflower (talk) 17:50, 1 December 2016 (UTC)
I have mentioned that the Russian article has quite a bit of information updated in September by a Wikivoyager who visited the city this summer. I simply can't guarantee that he has checked everything, but at least the information with the date tag should be reliable. You can also contact this editor directly if any specific questions arise.
Regarding the boringness, it makes little sense to feature destinations where nobody will ever go intentionally, even if some POIs, mostly of interest to locals, exist. Yuzhno-Sakhalinsk definitely belongs to this category. On the other hand, it can be regarded as a gateway to Sakhalin, as Ikan mentioned, and I guess it looks intriguingly exotic because of its remote location --Alexander (talk) 19:30, 1 December 2016 (UTC)

Bozeman[edit]

Place: Bozeman
Blurb: Could this Montana college town really be named the home of the 2026 Winter Olympics? Maybe, maybe not. Either way, it's nestled in prime winter sports territory, a stone's throw away from some of the finest skiing in Big Sky Country. (should not exceed ~145 characters)
Article status: Guide (must be guide or above).
Time to feature: All year, winter 2017 preferred to take advantage of ski season
Nominated by: AndreCarrotflower (talk) 15:34, 23 November 2016 (UTC)
Comment: Please see User talk:Ypsilon#Oregon Trail for the backstory as to how this nomination came about.

Nomination
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  • Close. The article needs a few more photos and a map, and all but two listings need geo coordinates. That seems like a simple enough fix. Also, the Big Sky Resort and other area ski resorts should be added to the "Do" section (if not as listings, then they should be mentioned in prose), since we're promoting Bozeman as a winter sports destination. Finally, the bullet points in the "Go next" section (especially the one for Big Sky) should be fleshed out with one-liner descriptions. -- AndreCarrotflower (talk) 15:34, 23 November 2016 (UTC)
  • Close Listing update + addition of coordinates, plus the other couple of things Andre just said. As it'll be a full year before it goes on the main page it's probably better to update the listings closer to the time of feature instead of today. ϒpsilon (talk) 20:19, 23 November 2016 (UTC)

Kurashiki[edit]

Place: Kurashiki
Blurb: A different side of old Japan than you might expect: relatively bereft of the temples, shrines, and other stuff of cliché, in the historic quarter of this smallish city in Okayama prefecture you'll instead see the preserved storehouses and mills of a 17th-, 18th-, and 19th-century merchant town. (should not exceed ~145 characters)
Article status: Guide (must be guide or above).
Time to feature: Apr-Oct
Nominated by: AndreCarrotflower (talk) 00:25, 7 March 2017 (UTC)
Comment: We need an OtBP candidate for September 2017, and it strikes me that we've seen nothing from Northeast Asia in quite some time. Let's remedy that.

Nomination
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  • Support as nominator. This article received a round of updates relatively recently courtesy of ChubbyWimbus, but all the same, we might want to give it a checkover closer to featuring time to ensure all the listed businesses still exist. As well, "Go next" looks a bit scraggly and might be fleshed out a bit. All the same, if we were to feature the article tomorrow as is, I'd have no problem with that. -- AndreCarrotflower (talk) 00:25, 7 March 2017 (UTC)
  • I'm skipping through the article, and happy to give it a support vote, but before it's actually run, here are some things I notice: There is as yet no description for Shimotsui Castle Ruins. Readers would want to know what state of ruination they're in and what they can actually see. Actually, I didn't notice anything else! Ikan Kekek (talk) 16:01, 9 March 2017 (UTC)
  • Support It strikes me as a model for what an article needs to go from useable to guide level. I support it as is. To make it really shine: I'd like to see more geo coordinates, and the red links in "Go next" should be addressed. DethDestroyerOfWords (talk) 16:19, 14 April 2017 (UTC)

Filadelfia[edit]

Place: Filadelfia
Blurb: One of the little-known quirks of South America tourists rarely get to see: learn the history of the Mennonite colonies of western Paraguay in this small German-speaking commune tucked away amid the remote grasslands and sprawling cattle ranches of the Gran Chaco. (should not exceed ~145 characters)
Article status: Guide (must be guide or above).
Time to feature: Apr-Oct
Nominated by: AndreCarrotflower (talk) 15:26, 11 March 2017 (UTC)
Comment: We also need an OtBP for October 2017.

Nomination
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  • Support as nominator. Some of the listings in "See" could stand to have their blurbs expanded, and "Buy", "Eat", and "Drink" might also be fleshed out more, but these are all non-essential. -- AndreCarrotflower (talk) 15:26, 11 March 2017 (UTC)
  • Needs Work - The content is rather sparse and there doesn't seem to be anything that informs the reader as to why they would want to go there. To remove my opposition I suggest that all the listings either be expanded upon (add more interesting information for the existing ones) OR add more listings; and add a fun little entry blurb for see, do, and eat that explains why I'd want to do any of those or an explanation on why the limited selection is worth visiting. Essentially, it seems like it could be an interesting place and I don't think the lack of places to see, do, or eat disqualify it from featuring, however because there is so little it needs to be scrutinized more "harshly". See Kabak for an example of what I think is a good article / argument for a small place with minimal listings being a worthwhile visit. DethDestroyerOfWords (talk) 16:31, 14 April 2017 (UTC)
Minor procedural point - though somewhat different from the more black-and-white method that policy describes, in practice we vote "Not yet", "Needs work" or something similar for any opposition that could be described as tentative, and reserve full-fledged "oppose" votes for articles whose deficiencies are more profound and less easily reversible. That being the case: October is not the easiest month in the world for which to find appropriate feature-article candidates, especially with the schedule putting the U.S., Europe, and East Asia out of play (specifically, Nashville as October's DotM will coincide with October's OtBP from the 11th through the 31st; Manchester Airport as October's FTT will coincide with October's OtBP from 21 August through 10 November, and Kurashiki will have been the previous month's OtBP), so we're reduced to a much smaller pool of candidates and therefore have to allow for articles that are, at least at the time of nomination, relatively less perfect. Of course, we have six full months before Filadelfia goes on the Main Page, which is more than enough time to effect the quite minor fixes that the article needs. -- AndreCarrotflower (talk) 17:28, 14 April 2017 (UTC)
Changed my wording to Needs Work. I wonder if we should revisit the policy/preference to space out articles based on continent and instead do it by country since it limits us so much. DethDestroyerOfWords (talk) 20:31, 14 April 2017 (UTC)
Perhaps, but my personal opinion is that when we avoid the path-of-least-resistance of nominating articles that need minimal work before going on the Main Page, and instead are forced to take imperfect articles from undercovered regions like South America and polish them up, that benefits us with a more geographically diverse Main Page, on top of benefiting the site via articles being improved that would otherwise have been ignored. -- AndreCarrotflower (talk) 20:36, 14 April 2017 (UTC)
  • Support; I translated the article from the German version in 2015, and I think I tried to google up as much as possible about the town at the same time. I don't think there's (was?) anything in the town that isn't already listed in the article. Concerning the schedule, I think we could feature Filadelfia during some Northern Hemisphere winter month instead (those have traditionally been even harder to fill). We perhaps could look at Nkhata Bay, Poros or Alishan for October instead? ϒpsilon (talk) 18:52, 5 June 2017 (UTC)
According to es:w:Filadelfia (Paraguay)#Clima, during the austral summer/Northern Hemisphere winter, Filadelfia's weather tends to be oppressively hot and humid, with rain falling most days. -- AndreCarrotflower (talk) 22:12, 5 June 2017 (UTC)
Weird. Spanish WP refers to [1] which suggests almost half the amount of rain (e.g. 104mm in January while the table in es WP says 175mm), and I've probably also looked at climate data and thought it was just dry and hot there. Anyway, let's run it in October as planned. ϒpsilon (talk) 13:22, 6 June 2017 (UTC)

Chicago/Bronzeville[edit]

Place: Chicago/Bronzeville
Blurb: African-American history abounds in the "Black Metropolis", where Gwendolyn Brooks published poetry in the Chicago Defender, Andrew Rube Foster created Negro League baseball, and Louis Armstrong kept his trumpet singing at the Sunset Cafe to keep Al Capone off his back. (should not exceed ~145 characters)
Article status: Star (must be guide or above).
Time to feature: Apr-Oct
Nominated by: AndreCarrotflower (talk) 16:05, 9 April 2017 (UTC)
Comment: Believe it or not, it's time to start thinking about feature articles for 2018. It's been a while since Chicago has graced our Main Page - the most recent feature was Far Northwest Side, which was OtBP way back in 2015. Here's a Star district article that I've had my eye on for a while now.

Nomination
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  • Support as nominator. Looks like the most recent substantive edits were in 2013, but it should be a simple matter to confirm the continued existence, opening hours, phone numbers, URLs, etc. of the listed POIs. Aside from that, there's a nice static map that actually appears up to date, containing most or all of the numerous listings, and - of course, this being a Star article, not to mention a Chicago district - the prose is skillfully and engagingly written. -- AndreCarrotflower (talk) 16:05, 9 April 2017 (UTC)
  • Support - Hell yes! I've read through this article before. It's a Star, with all kinds of good information. Like you, I trust that it would be acceptably updated before a feature. Given recent troubles with crime in some black neighborhoods of Chicago, it would be important to add a "Stay safe" section that addresses whether or to what extent Bronzeville has or has not suffered from this (I simply don't know enough about Chicago to know which neighborhoods have been affected). Ikan Kekek (talk) 19:59, 9 April 2017 (UTC)

Erlangen[edit]

Place: Erlangen
Blurb: Whether you're in town for the twelve day Bergkirchweih extravaganza or not, Erlangen is much more than Siemens and university. Its charming old town as well as its Huguenot and margravial heritage make Southern Germany's smallest Großstadt a perfect place to get on your bike and explore (okay, this blurb needs work) (should not exceed ~145 characters)
Article status: Guide (must be guide or above).
Time to feature: May preferred to coincide with Bergkirchweih festival, otherwise Apr-Oct
Nominated by: Hobbitschuster (talk) 17:41, 9 April 2017 (UTC)
Comment: There is absolutely no rush to get this featured now, but I want to get this "in the pipeline" for our "Germany slot" a year or two from now

Nomination
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  • As a former resident of a nearby suburb, attendant of this city's most run down high school and someone whose last visit to the town was a few months ago, I can assure that this article has been written with substantial local input and is quite up to date. There is no rush to feature it now, but I am nominating early this time, lest the Germany slot be already "taken" some time in the future. If you find fault with this article, do point out, where and how and why. Hobbitschuster (talk) 17:41, 9 April 2017 (UTC)
  • Not yet. About a third to a half of the listings in "See", as well as a considerably higher proportion of those in "Do", "Buy", "Eat", "Drink", and "Sleep", are either bare bullet points like the Yellow Pages, or have blurbs that need lengthening. Aside from that, though, the article looks good and I'll be happy to support it when the blurbs are attended to. -- AndreCarrotflower (talk) 19:54, 9 April 2017 (UTC)

Poros[edit]

Place: Poros
Blurb: Described as an island of serenity and relaxation, Poros is a complete Greek experience with numerous beaches, archaeological sites and delicious food. (should not exceed ~145 characters)
Article status: Guide (must be guide or above).
Time to feature: Apr-Oct
Nominated by: --ϒpsilon, the 20th letter in the Greek alphabet :D (talk) 18:36, 18 June 2017 (UTC)
Comment: Have had my eyes on this one ever since User:Agustin Bartolome turned the article to what it's now. Considering Greece is one of the most popular Mediterranean countries to visit, it's surprising that we've only ever featured one Greek article (Mykonos in Sep 2011), so let's make this the second one. I just updated the Get in section, arranged Sleep in price categories and filled out some other small bits of information that were missing.

It was mentioned in Yuzhno-Sakhalinsk's nomination that it risks ending up on the slush pile, so if that will happen (I hope not) here's a replacement for August's OtBP slot (or if it's a problem to have three European destinations on the Main Page at the same time, we can run Kurashiki in August and this one in September). Otherwise we can run this one next spring.

Nomination
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  • Support per comment. --ϒpsilon (talk) 18:36, 18 June 2017 (UTC)
  • Needs some very minor copyedits, but that's not enough to hamper my support. -- AndreCarrotflower (talk) 17:25, 21 June 2017 (UTC)

Nominations for Featured travel topic[edit]

King's Road (Finland)[edit]

Place: King's Road (Finland)
Blurb: Following the southern coast of Finland from Turku to the Russian border, this old Medieval mail route connects much of the cultural heritage of the country. (should not exceed ~145 characters)
Article status: Guide (must be guide or above).
Time to feature: May-Aug, as FTTs go on the Main Page towards the end of the month
Nominated by: ϒpsilon (talk) 17:33, 18 September 2016 (UTC)
Comment: So... what do you all think of this one? The article hasn't got any feedback on the talk page, and I've written the article almost entirely myself (wherefore it's possible that something is missing that people who look at the article for the first time notice) but I think it "describes each stop and how to get there. In addition, it suggests sights or side-trips along the way. Listings and layout closely match the manual of style."

Nomination
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  • Support as nominator. ϒpsilon (talk) 17:33, 18 September 2016 (UTC)
  • There is one thing I notice about the article that's lacking. It's mentioned in the "Understand" section that the road dates back to Medieval times and was the main route eastward from Sweden to Finland, and from the "Go" section it can be inferred that the draw for tourists today is the historic buildings and sites remaining from that era, but it seems to me that there ought to be a summary at the end of the "Understand" section to bridge those two things together - something like "Today, tourists retrace this historic route to bear witness to these relics of a bygone era" - setting the stage for the itinerary itself rather than heaving readers go into it blindly. Of course, that's far too minor an issue to preclude my support vote, and if the itinerary were to go up tomorrow without any changes that would be fine with me. -- AndreCarrotflower (talk) 15:24, 10 October 2016 (UTC)
  • Support. The article looks quite good. The main thing I notice is that it needs a thorough proofreading and almost definitely more copy editing to put some expressions into idiomatic English. That should be done before it's actually featured. Ikan Kekek (talk) 16:23, 9 March 2017 (UTC)
  • Support - that was a long copy-edit, but I think I did a decent job of putting it into idiomatic English and am happy to support its featuring now. DethDestroyerOfWords (talk) 18:24, 9 May 2017 (UTC)

Oregon Trail[edit]

Place: Oregon Trail
Blurb: Follow in the footsteps of 19th-century pioneers and 20th-century gamers on this historic pioneer trail through the majestic American West. (should not exceed ~145 characters)
Article status: Guide (must be guide or above).
Time to feature: Jun-Aug per Oregon Trail#Prepare
Nominated by: AndreCarrotflower (talk) 15:34, 23 November 2016 (UTC)
Comment: Please see User talk:Ypsilon#Oregon Trail for the backstory as to how this nomination came about. Specifically: this is a unique case in that I actually have a major problem with this article (see below), but Ypsi put forth a strong counter-argument - and it bears emphasizing that we do have something of a problem on our hands when it comes to our lack of articles suitable for the FTT feature. So I decided to sound out the community's opinion here. It's a great article in a lot of ways - it's just that the topic is approached in an IMO questionable way.

Nomination
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"I guess I should come out and describe the problem I have with Oregon Trail a bit here, which is that it's way too heavily geared toward fans of the Oregon Trail educational computer game that was popular in the 1980s and '90s. My elementary school computer lab had that game, and I loved it, so I'm able to pick up on all the in-jokes and references to it that are sprinkled throughout the article. But I also understand that that's true only for a small fraction, mostly within a very specific age group, of the people who might be interested in the article. I can imagine vast swaths of readers who are interested in the historical aspects of recreating a voyage along the real-life Oregon Trail yet utterly confused much of the time what the author is on about."
That having been said: the article is impeccably well-written and contains a map and many really nice pictures, so other than the above, I see no problems with featuring it. And, quoting again from my comments on that talk page discussion: "I wouldn't close the door on the possibility of being talked into supporting the feature depending on what others might argue."
-- AndreCarrotflower (talk) 15:34, 23 November 2016 (UTC)
Almost As I said on my talk page, I don't think it's a problem with all those game references given that it's clearly stated in both the lead section and Understand that it's also a famous computer game. We've also featured Breaking Bad Tour and a lot of readers and voyagers are not familiar with the series.
I believe everything one needs to know is in the article (it's written and promoted to guide by a veteran editor who presumably has traveled the route), nevertheless a dynamic map with some POIs would be nice to have.--ϒpsilon (talk) 20:04, 23 November 2016 (UTC)

Manchester Airport[edit]

Place: Manchester Airport
Blurb: With service to the most destinations of any airport in the country, MAN is a gateway to northern Britain — and, compared to Heathrow and Gatwick, a cinch to navigate! (should not exceed ~145 characters)
Article status: Guide (must be guide or above).
Time to feature: Apr-Sep
Nominated by: AndreCarrotflower (talk) 00:05, 2 December 2016 (UTC)
Comment: Another nominee Ypsi and I discussed, this time on this very page as an aside to a discussion about another nominee. This one would be good for September 2017 - I had mentioned the possibility of featuring one of Peter Southwood's dive articles that month and holding MAN off till October, but 1) that would be less than an ideal time of year to feature a UK destination and 2) the fact that the geographical purview of our FTT-worthy dive articles is entirely confined to a small area off the coast of Cape Town troubles me enough to think that maybe once a year is too often to feature those articles. Perhaps that's a discussion that should be picked up at Wikivoyage talk:Destination of the month candidates.

Nomination
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  • Weak support. Overall the article looks good, and I wouldn't object if it were to go on the Main Page tomorrow. However, there are a few areas of minor concern, namely the lack of any map (though does an airport article really need one?), as well as the "Get around", "Lounges", "Eat and drink", and "Connect" sections, the information in which, while complete, is sparse and seems like it would benefit from being fleshed out with more detail. (And does anything need to be done about the listing for Escape Lounges, which seems out of place where it currently is?) -- AndreCarrotflower (talk) 00:05, 2 December 2016 (UTC)
    • IMO, if an airport is complex/confusing enough to need an article, it definitely needs a map. Powers (talk) 20:05, 29 December 2016 (UTC)
  • Comment Maybe needs an update/checkthrough (as is usually the case with nominated articles) closer to the time when it gets featured to make sure everything is up to date. User:Nicholasjf21 might be interested in this nomination too. ϒpsilon (talk) 11:04, 2 December 2016 (UTC)

Fast food in the United States and Canada[edit]

Place: Fast food in the United States and Canada
Blurb: Part of the joy of travel is expanding one's horizons with new culinary experiences. But sometimes you just want something familiar, with consistent quality, quick service, and a low price. (should not exceed ~145 characters)
Article status: Guide (must be guide or above).
Time to feature: Any
Nominated by: AndreCarrotflower (talk) 20:24, 30 December 2016 (UTC)
Comment: Dale Arnett, Hobbitschuster, PerryPlanet and I have all been steadily improving this article for the past few months, and I think it's in good enough shape now to serve as a much-needed addition to our roster of Guide travel topics and FTT candidates.

Nomination
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  • Weak support. The main problem is in the "Well-known chains" section, where the descriptive blurbs for the listed restaurants are inconsistent in length. I've been lengthening the shorter ones and will continue to do so. As well, per this talk page discussion, there are a few references to Latin America, and unqualified references to North America, that still need to be excised from the body of the text. Other than that, this article looks good to go. -- AndreCarrotflower (talk) 20:24, 30 December 2016 (UTC)
  • I think I can support the article, but it'd be good to hear some more opinions from North American contributors. Are there maybe some (locally) notable chains that are not yet listed? ϒpsilon (talk) 16:38, 14 January 2017 (UTC)
If we included locally notable chains, the article would easily be overwhelmed with hundreds of listings. (It's already pushing the envelope a bit, I'd say.) The practice that has evolved in FFITUSAC of including only chains that span multiple states is a good one, and I think most places to which that rule applies are already covered in the article. Small local chainlets should be listed in the Eat section of the relevant destination or region article, as in Buffalo#Local chains. -- AndreCarrotflower (talk) 18:43, 14 January 2017 (UTC)
  • I think I can conditionally support this article, given that my expertise on the US comes from second-hand knowledge more than from actual trips to the US and it is thus easy for me to overlook glaring omissions. Other than that, the article does flow rather well and talks about all of the stuff I could think of. Furthermore the title is pretty clear what it is about as opposed to the previous title. Hobbitschuster (talk) 16:46, 14 January 2017 (UTC)
  • Support - I would counsel visitors to avoid almost all of these chains, but that's beside the point. I think this article is a very valuable reference for visitors who might want to try a chain or might be stuck in a place where chains are their only options. It's interesting and readable. Ikan Kekek (talk) 18:54, 14 January 2017 (UTC)
  • Support - I went through it and fixed one or two sentences. Pared down a listing that was written like an advertisement. There might be some local/regional, chains that reach into other nearby states that are missing, but really if we were to list all of those this article would be way too long. I'd say it's good to go, there really wasn't much to fix. DethDestroyerOfWords (talk) 16:09, 9 May 2017 (UTC)
  • Almost - It is a long time since I have eaten in the US, so I am sorry that I can't make any updates, but I will make a few observations. I think that some details could be given on the drinks available - is it just fizzy cola etc, what would the reaction be to a request for tap water?, does everywhere offer hot coffee and tea?. I looked at the menus of a few of the chains listed and there was almost nothing for vegetarians (UK McDonalds offers a choice of two different bean burgers, but I couldn't find any on the US menu) - I think we should identify which chains have reasonable vegetarian offerings. To me a "sandwich" is usually a cold filling between two slices of bread, maybe the term should be explained, as it seems here more to be used for hot and cold filled rolls. AlasdairW (talk) 22:19, 9 May 2017 (UTC)
    Good suggestions, I think—I've just added a bullet point about soft drinks and a paragraph about vegetarian options. —Granger (talk · contribs) 23:07, 9 May 2017 (UTC)
Thanks. I will now support it. AlasdairW (talk) 22:53, 10 May 2017 (UTC)

Rail travel in Germany[edit]

Place: Rail travel in Germany
Blurb: Germany's railways enjoy a superb reputation abroad and trains are often the fastest, most comfortable and sometimes cheapest way around the country (should not exceed ~145 characters)
Article status: Guide (must be guide or above).
Time to feature: Any; preferably not December (schedule change)
Nominated by: Hobbitschuster (talk) 20:54, 2 March 2017 (UTC)
Comment: I think some work may need to be done still but this could go live tomorrow without causing me too much headache

Nomination
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  • Somehow this nominee fell through the cracks. Good work, Hobbitschuster. Voting support with no reservations. -- AndreCarrotflower (talk) 14:12, 27 March 2017 (UTC)
  • Support. You're on the right track. K7L (talk) 16:17, 27 March 2017 (UTC)
  • Comment: Complaining about Deutsche Bahn and comparing it (unfavorably) to railroads in France, Switzerland, Japan or Italy is a particular "hobby" of a large subset of the German population. Meanwhile next to all non-Germans (excluding the Swiss, that is) who have an opinion on DB consider it an excellent transportation choice. The article currently partially reflects the latter but makes no allusions to the former. Is this the right approach or should we give the "Bahn-Nörgler" the light of day? Hobbitschuster (talk) 18:54, 27 March 2017 (UTC)
  • I think exactly the kind of statement you just made would be good to put in the article. I'm really busy with professional and personal stuff right now, but I'll have a look through the article when I have sufficient time and mental space. Ikan Kekek (talk) 19:17, 27 March 2017 (UTC)
  • Support This article is a pretty good one. I don't see any obvious issues with it, having just given it a quick read-through. It has answers to everything a traveler might have questions about (and a few things they might not think to ask, such as the bit about passenger rights). DethDestroyerOfWords (talk) 15:22, 9 May 2017 (UTC)
  • Support it's a really good-looking article, at least at a first glance. When the article is about to go live, we maybe need to check that all external links are still alive. ϒpsilon (talk) 15:09, 6 June 2017 (UTC)

American football[edit]

Place: American football
Blurb: A nearly inescapable autumn phenomenon Stateside, but largely unknown in the rest of the world: if you're keen on planning a trip around the U.S.'s most popular sport, here's the lowdown! (blurb may need work) (should not exceed ~145 characters)
Article status: Usable, but see notes below (must be guide or above).
Time to feature: Aug-Dec to coincide with NFL season
Nominated by: AndreCarrotflower (talk) 23:36, 8 May 2017 (UTC)
Comment: So it's come to this: we literally have no suitable Guide-level FTT candidates to run for November:

  1. My first thought was that the time may be ripe to run one of Flying's four daughter articles, all of which are at Guide status, but doing so immediately after the thematically similar Manchester Airport's stint as October's FTT would be problematic;
  2. Though we have a wealth of dive guides to choose from, all the Guide-level ones focus on the Cape Peninsula and False Bay in South Africa, an exceedingly small geographic area that I'm wary about featuring as frequently as every year;
  3. Any of the several U.S.-based itineraries would overlap with Bozeman (OtBP for December) on the schedule
  4. others have been slushed in the past for issues that are less easily resolvable than the ones in this article.

See the comments in my vote, but the short version is that this article is arguably at Guide status already. Even if not, it's damn close.

Nomination
Ralph Wilson Stadium (NFL Buffalo Bills) - Orchard Park, NY.jpg


  • Close. Talk:American football#Headed for FTT? details the article's exceedingly minor issues: it needs more detail about the Pro Football Hall of Fame that can easily be paraphrased from what's in Canton (Ohio), additional listings for historic places related to football, expanded information about tailgating, stadium amenities, high school football, etc. To those I would only add that the team listings in the "Canadian Football League" section ought to be expanded with short blurbs the same as the NFL teams are. Overall, though, as I see it, this article needs less work to be featureable than some of the ostensibly Guide-level ones we've recently featured, such as Next-to-impossible destinations or Kabak, were when first nominated. -- AndreCarrotflower (talk) 23:36, 8 May 2017 (UTC)
  • Comment - I'm not that familiar with American football, but the article explains the history and rules of the sport and goes on to present the NFL teams and other leagues too so I guess the article is in a quite good shape already. Before supporting the article I'd like to see some supports from people who actually know the sport (and perhaps have been to a game). Just as Andre said, there are still some sections that could be expanded and after all the article is still only at usable status. Is there something else a "newbie" who plans to go see a game should know; how about those stadium amenities and are there perhaps some other fun things than tailgating parties? ϒpsilon (talk) 14:21, 6 June 2017 (UTC)

Italian phrasebook[edit]

Place: Italian phrasebook
Blurb: Visiting one of the most popular destinations in the world, wouldn't it be nice to be able to order cappuccino in the local language? (should not exceed ~145 characters)
Article status: Guide (must be guide or above).
Time to feature: Any
Nominated by: ϒpsilon (talk) 17:20, 5 June 2017 (UTC)
Comment: Every winter we've traditionally featured a phrasebook, but often for languages with a small number of speakers and/or spoken in relatively less traveled parts of the world (Belarusian, Swedish, Armenian, Finnish, Igbo). Nothing wrong with that, but why not be different this time and cater to some of the 50 million foreigners visiting Italy.

Nomination
Rifugio Alpino Boffalora (5).JPG


  • Support - What can I say, it's a guide phrasebook. Just needs some nice photos, but it doesn't take long to add them. ϒpsilon (talk) 17:20, 5 June 2017 (UTC)
  • Very, very, very close - it just needs some photos and it's good to go. -- AndreCarrotflower (talk) 22:05, 5 June 2017 (UTC)
  • Comment - I guess you guys like my edits. I'm not sure my grammar notes couldn't be improved on, but I do believe they were necessary. I'll try to look through the phrasebook with a fine-toothed comb later. For pictures, should we focus partly on educational institutions like the University of Bologna, which excluding the Islamic Universities in North Africa is the oldest in the world, or should we go for the typical highlights of Italy? Ikan Kekek (talk) 22:11, 5 June 2017 (UTC)
  • Practical signs - very good idea. Street signs, restroom signs and menus (but I didn't see many on Commons) could also be useful. Ikan Kekek (talk) 02:40, 6 June 2017 (UTC)
  • Comment - OK, I've just looked through the phrasebook in detail through the end of the "Pronunciation" section. I think that section needs more work and is not yet ready to run, but can be if there's agreement on how to proceed. I very much dislike how several sounds are punted by just comparing them to Spanish. Anyone who already knows Spanish well can actually do fine just speaking Spanish in Italy and gradually learning Italian vocabulary and phrases. The audience for this phrasebook should be people who do not know any other Romance languages. And in that respect, I think we should describe "eu" as "ehyoo", "ia" as "eeyah", "ie" as "eeyeh" and "io" as "eeyoh" (with Leo being a fine example and minus the Spanish example, because if you can pronounce Spanish, you scarcely need this guide, other than for "c" and a couple of other consonants). I also think the instructions on pronouncing "o" are totally no good for Americans. I addressed some of this on Talk:Italian phrasebook. If you'd like to give me free rein to change the article accordingly, I'd be happy to do it. Ikan Kekek (talk) 08:54, 6 June 2017 (UTC)
OK, I plunged forward and took care of the pronunciation section, but now in the phrasebook, there are a bunch of weird accentuations. This is not an uncommon case: "Non parlo italiano. (non PAHR-loh ee-TAH-lyah-noh)" Really? iTAliano??? Granted, I am not a native speaker, but come on, really? ItalIAno. Gimme a break! So I will go through every single phrase and fix this weirdness wherever I see it. Ikan Kekek (talk) 04:30, 8 June 2017 (UTC)
There's another issue that I think needs to be resolved before I will support a feature: The prevalence of 2nd-person plural (voi) verb forms. My understanding is that using those to address a single person is very patronizing - my parents told me that in the 60s, that was the form people used for their maids instead of "tu", and of course they used the "Lei" form for everyone else except their family members and closest friends. Things had loosened up considerably by the 90s, when I found that fellow students and other people around my age (then in my mid 20s) just about automatically used "tu" among themselves, but when speaking with service personnel, "Lei" was used. My feeling is that all commands and requests in the phrasebook except those expressly for more than one person should be in the "Lei" (3rd person, and often conditional) form. So "potrebbe" instead of "potete" and so on. But I would really like a native speaker or at least someone with more recent and extensive experience in Italy to address this point at Talk:Italian phrasebook#2nd person plural. Ikan Kekek (talk) 05:17, 8 June 2017 (UTC)
Update: Lkcl it, a native speaker, gave me some quick pointers, and I've made pretty extensive revisions, mostly to substitute polite "Lei" verb forms (many of them also conditional) for less polite "voi" forms, but also to change (fix, I hope) really weird-looking syllable accentuation. I still will not be ready to support a feature until a native or otherwise advanced speaker has had a chance to look through this phrasebook with a fine-toothed comb. I had very good conversational and reading ability when I was in practice, but I was probably to the intermediate side of advanced at best, and I always did a lot of things by feel and logic, such as guessing from Latin-derived English vocabulary (e.g. conduction -> conduzione; production -> produzione; rapidity -> rapidità; studipity -> stupidità). Ikan Kekek (talk) 02:36, 13 June 2017 (UTC)
Ikan Kekek I'm sorry but till the first days of July I'll not be able to help reading all the article. The article hasn't been scheduled yet, so I hope there is time ... --Lkcl it (Talk) 18:59, 13 June 2017 (UTC)
There is time, and your help is much appreciated. Ikan Kekek (talk) 20:26, 13 June 2017 (UTC)
User:Andyrom75 might also be able to help. ϒpsilon (talk) 19:25, 15 June 2017 (UTC)
ϒpsilon I'm making few adjustment, but please standardize thw way formal/informal phrases are shown: sometimes in different lines and the others in one line, but in this case sometimes formal is first and the others informal is first. Furthemore: sometimes in Italic and sometimes plain or, sometimes with capital letter and sometimes don't. --Andyrom75 (talk) 10:00, 16 June 2017 (UTC)
Done. There is some pronunciatio that needs to be adjusted. --Andyrom75 (talk) 13:29, 16 June 2017 (UTC)
Mille grazie ;). ϒpsilon (talk) 15:44, 16 June 2017 (UTC)
Come lui ha detto. :-) Ikan Kekek (talk) 17:22, 16 June 2017 (UTC)

Metric and Imperial equivalents[edit]

Place: Metric and Imperial equivalents
Blurb: When traveling abroad you may run into unfamiliar units for instance when it comes to distance, volume, temperature or weight. Check out our helpful guide! (should not exceed ~145 characters)
Article status: Guide (must be guide or above).
Time to feature: Any
Nominated by: ϒpsilon (talk) 14:58, 6 June 2017 (UTC)
Comment: One of those brief and boring, but very useful travel topics. Per Talk:Metric_and_Imperial_equivalents#Guide.3F there really isn't anything to add, but perhaps we need to tinker with the layout a little bit.

Nomination
Volles Pint-Glas.jpg
  • Support, I think. ϒpsilon (talk) 14:58, 6 June 2017 (UTC)
  • Support The article is short, but contains all the pertinent information on the topic. If someone feels like taking a crack at designing a better layout for the article, great, but I don't think it's essential or perhaps even necessary. I'd be perfectly comfortable running the article as is. -- AndreCarrotflower (talk) 15:02, 6 June 2017 (UTC)
  • Support. Considering the topic, it's much more readable than I would have expected. Ikan Kekek (talk) 20:30, 6 June 2017 (UTC)
  • Comment, I think the article could benefit from another brief section on energy and nutrition. Especially calorie vs joule and kilojoule, which is important for people on certain diets. But apart from that it looks comprehensive. Gizza (roam) 05:56, 8 June 2017 (UTC)
  • Stone could also be mentioned, if the Brits still use those for weight. We don't use them in the U.S. If I remember correctly each stone is 7 pounds? Or is it 14 pounds? Ikan Kekek (talk) 06:03, 8 June 2017 (UTC)
I think it's fourteen pounds. And I'm not too sure we need to mention Joules and calories - is there a place where labels only mention one? And if so, what about horse powers? Hobbitschuster (talk) 06:10, 13 June 2017 (UTC)
Horsepower would be helpful to quantify, as it's used a lot in specs for cars in the U.S. Ikan Kekek (talk) 06:21, 13 June 2017 (UTC)