Wikivoyage:Destination of the month candidates

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Here we determine which articles are featured on the Main Page as Destination of the month (Dotm), Off the Beaten Path (OTBP) and Featured travel topics (FTT).


You can nominate any article you would like to see featured. Any destination, region, itinerary or event that passes the "What is an article?" test is eligible for nomination.

However, before nominating, please check that the article follows these basic guidelines:

Well-known and/or popular destinations should be nominated as Destination of the Month, while more obscure destinations should be nominated for Off the Beaten Path. Travel topics, phrasebooks, itineraries and other articles should be nominated for Featured Travel Topic. Where applicable, you should propose a good time to visit the destination as a month to be featured.

The basic format of a nomination is as follows:

| place=Destination
| blurb='''[[Destination]]''' is a place of contrasts, and as such it...
| status=Guide
| time=March-June
| nominatedBy=~~~~
| comment=Great article and it's just luvvly-jubbly in the springtime.
| DotMImage=[[File:Destinationimage.jpg|thumb|300px]]

Add a nomination to the end of the appropriate section.


You can comment on any nomination based on timeliness and adherence to the criteria above, just add a bullet point (*) and your signed opinion.

Great article and it's just luvvly-jubbly in the springtime. TravelNut 25:25, 31 Feb 2525 (EDT)
* Looks nice, but shouldn't the Do section contain more than just quilting contests? ~~~~

Please note that the following are not considered valid reasons to oppose a nomination:

  • "I don't like it." All objections have to be based on the guidelines above: poor formatting, missing information, etc. Personal opinions, dislikes, etc. do not count.
  • "Wrong time of year." Articles are supported or opposed based on their content. Timing can be worked out later.
  • "Wrong type of place." Articles are supported or opposed based on their content. Whether it's DoTM or OtBP can be worked out later.


If an article gets several comments in favor and none against for a week or so, it's eligible to be placed in an appropriate time-slot in the Upcoming queue. If the objections are relatively minor and are being worked on, add them to the Upcoming queue tentatively (add a question mark "?" after the article). Feel free to move the queue around or swap articles if it makes sense. If a nomination clearly does not make the grade and if the objections are not easily fixable, they go into the Slush pile

Once a nomination has been scheduled, an appropriate banner image and text blurb must be selected. Go to Wikivoyage:Destination of the month candidates/Banners to start that discussion.


Discussions for previously selected destinations are kept in the Archive.



The following queue should contain about six months' worth of upcoming destinations. Note that new DotMs are rotated in on the 1st of each month, OtBPs on the 11th and travel topics on the 21st.

Month DotM OtBP FTT
December 2015 Dumaguete Taxila Driving in New Zealand - pending stronger consensus to support
January 2016 Banff - pending stronger consensus to support Ein Gedi - pending stronger consensus to support Altitude sickness
February 2016 Antigua Guatemala - pending stronger consensus to support Hilo - pending stronger consensus to support Armenian (Eastern) phrasebook - pending stronger consensus to support
March 2016 Kyoto Swakopmund - pending stronger consensus to support Ruta de transito - pending stronger consensus to support
April 2016 Cartagena (Colombia) - pending stronger consensus to support Mount Rinjani - pending stronger consensus to support Nuclear tourism
May 2016 Indianapolis for Indy 500 - pending stronger consensus to support Dilijan - pending stronger consensus to support Diving the Cape Peninsula and False Bay/Partridge Point - pending stronger consensus to support

These are not cast in stone, and the order can be changed if, for example, an excellent guide for a timely event is found. Whenever a guide becomes a current feature, it should be removed from the list, the discussion archived, and a new month added to the end of the queue. Alternatives are OK; the whole point is to enable some discussion as needed.

Next change[edit]

Decisions regarding which images to use as the banners are made here.

The section below provides an opportunity to see what the upcoming featured articles will look like on the Main Page using the banners that are currently most popular on the above page.

Destination of the Month[edit]


Capital of the Philippine province of Negros Oriental, this laid-back university town is both an interesting destination in itself and a good base for trips to the many nearby beach and dive resorts.

Off the Beaten Path[edit]


Once a great centre of Greek-influenced Buddhist culture and Silk Road trade, today this UNESCO World Heritage-listed archaeological site is one of Pakistan's main tourist destinations.

Featured Travel Topic[edit]

Driving in New Zealand

Before you take to the roads and highways of the "Land of the Long White Cloud", it pays to learn some of the peculiarities of Kiwi driving habits.


On the date of the scheduled change, the DotM, OtBP, or FTT should be changed as close to midnight UTC as possible. When the featured page is changed, please follow the following procedures to do so and archive content to the appropriate pages. At each stage, please double-check that you are correctly moving content.

  1. Update the featured articles on the main page by replacing the current 'banner' template section with those of the appropriate banner for the new DotM/OtBP/FTT found in the Next change section above.
  2. Update the Photo credits page with the banner's original image, title and attribution.
  3. Add the former featured article to the appropriate archive page: Previous Destinations of the month, Previously Off the beaten path, or Previous Featured travel topics.
  4. Remove Template:Featurenomination from newly featured article.
  5. For the former featured article, add the appropriate parameter to the pagebanner template (directly after the image filename) to label the page as having been featured previously.
    • For former DotMs, add: dotm=yes
    • For former OtBPs, add: otbp=yes
    • For former FTTs, add: ftt=yes
  6. Archive the newly featured article's nomination. Simply cut-and-paste the nomination section of the newly featured article from this page to Wikivoyage:Destination of the Month candidates/Archive.
  7. Update the Next change section above by adding the banner from the discussion page. View the table in the Schedule section above to determine what next month's change will be, then update the image and blurb in the "Next change" section with that found in the upcoming featured article's nomination.
  8. Archive the newly featured article's banner by cutting-and-pasting all banner suggestions and the associated discussion into Wikivoyage:Destination of the month candidates/Banners/Archive.

Nominations for Destination of the Month[edit]


Place: Banff
Blurb: Time to hit the slopes! Set among the spectacular Canadian Rockies, this town has something for outdoor enthusiasts all year round — but especially in ski season. (should not exceed ~145 characters)
Article status: Guide (must be guide or above).
Time to feature: Any (it looks like there's outdoor activities all around the year — Nov-Apr is the ski season)
Nominated by: ϒpsilon (talk) 19:52, 22 September 2014 (UTC)
Comment: Would this be something for upcoming March's empty slot? I don't think we've ever featured a winter sports destination and I've understood Banff is one of the most popular ones in North America, therefore DotM. Banff was slushed six years ago for being just usable, having just one attraction and missing a lot of addresses and directions. This is not the case any longer, thanks to among others the main author of Calgary, currently DoTM. The article would need more pictures, some more coordinates and maybe a minor cleanup/checkup (copyedit, removal of dead links) but otherwise it's a quite nice article.


  • Almost - per my comments. ϒpsilon (talk) 19:52, 22 September 2014 (UTC) Yes Done
  • The article definitely has potential, but as you said, Calgary just ended its stint as DotM. I'd be very concerned about placing two DotM candidates so close to each other on the schedule that are not only in the same country, but only 90 minutes' drive apart. If we feature this, it should be no earlier than winter 2015-16. -- AndreCarrotflower (talk) 17:35, 1 October 2014 (UTC)
  • Fixed a number of bad links and incorrect listings and added coordinates. Moved some information out to the park article and added a few images. In a better state now for consideration. --Traveler100 (talk) 16:48, 6 December 2014 (UTC)
  • Almost. Most of the issues Ypsi mentioned in his initial comment seem to have been addressed. However, I still can't yet give this article my full support. There are some activities listed in the "Summer" and "Hiking" subsections of "Do" that have no descriptive blurbs, and some of the destinations in "Go next" don't have one-liner descriptions either. -- AndreCarrotflower (talk) 05:33, 19 January 2015 (UTC)
Great work so far, User:Traveler100! I agree with André that there are still a few small fixes needed, however can probably be quickly done. ϒpsilon (talk) 07:30, 19 January 2015 (UTC)
Will try to look if there's something I can do to enhance this article in the weekend. Possibly Edmonton too. ϒpsilon (talk) 19:57, 12 March 2015 (UTC)
I'm really glad to see someone finally addressing the longstanding problems with Banff, Ypsi, but as for Edmonton, I wouldn't worry about that too much - it requires a lot more work than Banff does. The issues with Edmonton are spread out among five district articles, each of which are full of outdated listings and, still more problematic, outdated static maps. That article is probably going to get slushed, and that's all right with me. Well and good to encourage people to get off their duffs and fix what needs fixing, but to contend with problems of that magnitude is a bit much to ask, I think. -- AndreCarrotflower (talk) 20:26, 12 March 2015 (UTC)
I've read only through "Do" so far. The article looks quite good. One thing I noticed, though, was this text under "Do/Spas": but only the Upper Hot Springs Pool and Pleiades Spa allow visitors the opportunity to bathe in water from a hot spring. Why is there no listing for Pleiades Spa in that section? Ikan Kekek (talk) 19:55, 23 March 2015 (UTC)
The full name of the first listing is "Banff Upper Hot Springs and Pleiades Massage & Spa", so it's probably one large complex with all kinds of wellness services. On their web page you can find Pleiades Spa in the Spa section. ϒpsilon (talk) 20:24, 23 March 2015 (UTC)
Well that sure wasn't clear! The confusion should be ended. Ikan Kekek (talk) 21:11, 23 March 2015 (UTC)
  • Support. I added a few descriptions of restaurants that had none, in the process of reading through the article and putting in some copy edits. There are still one "Drink" listing with no description other than the name (Aurora Nightclub and Hoodoo Lounge) and one "Eat" listing with no description other than the name (Three Ravens Restaurant and Wine Bar), so someone should really add descriptions if possible, but the article is quite excellent and I'm prepared to support it with those small caveats. (P.S. The confusion I referred to above has been effectively dealt with.) Ikan Kekek (talk) 08:52, 24 March 2015 (UTC)
About scheduling: If we want to feature Banff as a winter destination, March is a bit late, as average highs are over 5 C. at that time of year. Nov-Feb looks like the below-freezing season, with December-January ideal for skiing, et al. Ikan Kekek (talk) 08:55, 24 March 2015 (UTC)
  • Just reviewed this article again. I'm prepared to give it my weak support at this time, and anticipate featuring it in January 2016. However, there are still a few listings in the "Eat" section (Vistas Dining Room, Mountain Chocolates, both locations of The Keg Steakhouse and Lounge) that lack descriptions of any kind, and the same is true of the Banff Summer Arts Festival and the Banff World Media Festival. Since my Wikivoyage to-do list is much clearer than before, I'll see if I can't attend to that after I get back from vacation on the 19th. -- AndreCarrotflower (talk) 17:01, 1 July 2015 (UTC)
I think most of the issues should be fixed now... ϒpsilon (talk) 20:51, 30 October 2015 (UTC)


Place: Dumaguete
Blurb: Capital of the Philippine province of Negros Oriental, this laid-back university town is both an interesting destination in itself and a good base for trips to the many nearby beach and dive resorts. (should not exceed ~145 characters)
Article status: Guide (must be guide or above).
Time to feature: My guess is N. hemisphere winter, so late 2015, but for all I know Aussies might come in their winter. (The dry season is Dec-May)
Nominated by: Pashley (talk) 13:02, 17 December 2014 (UTC)
Comment: Several people have been working on this article lately & it was just promoted to Guide. I'm in the town & will continue the work. It might be star by the time it is featured; suggestions & criticism welcome.

Dumaguete City Rizal Boulevard.jpg

  • Support. I've been watching the progress of this article and doing some copy editing along the way. What's your feeling about this city as DotM vs. OtBP? Is it a huge draw for tourism? Also, is there a rainy season when we should avoid running the article? Ikan Kekek (talk) 16:55, 17 December 2014 (UTC)
I'd say DotM; it is a provincial capital and w:Dumaguete#Hotel and Tourism says it is among the top ten tourist destinations in the country. You certainly see lots of tourists, plus plenty of expats & retirees, and there are good services for them.
w:Dumaguete#Climate says the wet season is June-Nov, so I'd say run it Dec 2015 or a bit later. Pashley (talk) 15:27, 20 December 2014 (UTC)
  • Support as DotM. Attracts far too many international tourists to consider it for off the beaten track, imho. Great progress has been made on the article, and I'm sure Pashley will polish it up even more. No hesitations here. JuliasTravels (talk) 19:38, 20 December 2014 (UTC)
  • I don't see how we can make this DotM when Trondheim and Turku are Off the Beaten Path. Each is on its country's list of nine cities; Dumaguete is not. Powers (talk) 19:47, 20 December 2014 (UTC)
We could discuss at Talk:Philippines whether Dumaguete should be among the 9 listed cities, in place of one of the currently-listed cities, but I don't think your objection is really that obvious. For example, don't you think that the United States has more than 10 cities that would obviously be DotM, if run? Perhaps the Philippines does, too, but in any event, the remarks by Pashley and JuliasTravels satisfy me as to Dumaguete's appropriateness as a DotM. I get the feeling that you believe that every country or region should have an equal number of DotM, but I'm not sure anyone agrees with you on this, and I certainly don't. There are quite a few countries that have no DotM at all, in my opinion. Ikan Kekek (talk) 21:46, 20 December 2014 (UTC)
Just to explain my rationale; if I'd go to Dumaguete as suggested OtbT destination on WV, and find myself in a tourism dominated town with international visitors all around me, I'd feel mislead. I know I did not get that impression in Turku, but I haven't been to Trondheim. I have no strong feelings about this, however. JuliasTravels (talk) 09:39, 21 December 2014 (UTC)
No, of course every country doesn't have the same number of DotM-worthy candidates, but I think any country (of significant size, so excluding places like Liechtenstein and East Timor) probably has at least nine. Powers (talk) 15:57, 21 December 2014 (UTC)
I don't agree. Ikan Kekek (talk) 20:17, 21 December 2014 (UTC)
I do not think LtPowers' comparison is either fair or would be particularly useful if it were. Sure, Trondheim and Turku are among the 9 for their countries (population 5.something million each) and Dumaguete does not make it to the 9 for the Philippines (100 million), but is certainly one of the two most important cities on Negros Island (4 million), and it does make the list of 9 for Visayas (17 million).
Anyway, the important question is its importance as a travel destination & I'd say on that basis it is clearly a DotM. Pashley (talk) 10:46, 26 December 2014 (UTC)
  • Support — not bad. I'm not really familiar with the Philippines, so I don't have an opinion whether Dumaguete should be DotM or OtBP. Tiny nitpick: as of now there's no Eat#Splurge section. Is any of the listed restaurants perchance a bit more upscale than the rest? ϒpsilon (talk) 14:26, 24 December 2014 (UTC)
I have added a section at Dumaguete#Splurge but it is not in our usual format. What do others think? Pashley (talk) 07:00, 25 December 2014 (UTC)
It's OK with me because I believe it serves the traveler well. Ikan Kekek (talk) 07:23, 25 December 2014 (UTC)
  • Support with no strong opinion either way on the DotM vs. OtBP question. -- AndreCarrotflower (talk) 05:18, 26 December 2014 (UTC)
It was high on my personal list before my current scouting trip and now tops it. Lots of older westerners including several who have moved here from other parts of the Philippines. I talked to one who moved from Manila; says D is cheaper, quieter, safer. Another came here after 15 years on Boracay; cheaper, much better medical facilities and better transport connections. Pashley (talk) 11:31, 31 December 2014 (UTC)
Talked to one today who moved here from Bangkok, mostly because it is cheaper. Pashley (talk) 12:45, 8 January 2015 (UTC)
  • Delay until after merge. Discussion at Talk:Sibulan suggests some articles on nearby towns should be merged into D, and there seems to be consensus on the question. We probably should not feature D until that work is done. Pashley (talk) 02:17, 2 March 2015 (UTC)
Pashley, I had envisioned scheduling Dumaguete for very late 2015 or very early 2016. Do you predict nine months will be enough time to sort out those issues? -- AndreCarrotflower (talk) 02:35, 2 March 2015 (UTC)
Almost certainly. There is only a hour or so of work involved. However, I will not get to it soon & no-one else has volunteered, so it seemed worth a note here. Pashley (talk) 02:47, 2 March 2015 (UTC)
Yes Merge done. Pashley (talk) 04:49, 6 March 2015 (UTC)

Cartagena (Colombia)[edit]

Place: Cartagena (Colombia)
Blurb: Equally famous for its beautifully preserved colonial-era fortress as for the grey sand beaches of Bocagrande, "Cartagena of the Indies" is Colombia's number-one tourist draw. (should not exceed ~145 characters)
Article status: Guide (must be guide or above).
Time to feature: Dec-Apr
Nominated by: AndreCarrotflower (talk) 15:15, 12 March 2015 (UTC)
Comment: Another possible DotM for the Northern Hemisphere winter of 2015-16, and one from a rather neglected region of the world: Latin America.

Multicolored street in Cartagena.JPG

  • Very close. The article has many of the same minor and easily fixable problems as Amritsar, minus the copyediting: about half of its listings lack coordinates, it needs a dynamic map, and the lede should be developed beyond a single sentence. Also, given some of the far-in-the-past dates that crop up here and there in the article - for example, $15,800 for a taxi from the airport to El Laguito "as of November 2009" - it might be good to update information where appropriate. -- AndreCarrotflower (talk) 15:15, 12 March 2015 (UTC)
  • Not yet — Many sections are pretty short in this article, for example there really has to be more to see in Cartagena. Perhaps there's something from de and pt worth bringing over? Restaurants lack price categories... ϒpsilon (talk) 17:14, 12 March 2015 (UTC)
I've started a thread about this article's issues here at Talk:Cartagena (Colombia). Will probably start working on the article myself in a week or two. ϒpsilon (talk) 18:36, 18 September 2015 (UTC)
  • Support, I think. I've fixed most of those easy fixable problems. Now there are just the really challenging ones left, namely a couple of old dates, perhaps even three listings lacking descriptions and maybe even some wrongly formatted currency notations. ϒpsilon (talk) 18:37, 26 September 2015 (UTC)


Place: Kyoto
Blurb: Modernity and history blend in Japan’s capital for over a millenium, which gets particularly colorful during the cherry blossom season (should not exceed ~145 characters)
Article status: Guide (must be guide or above).
Time to feature: March 2016 for cherry blossom in late March-early April/ otherwise Mar-May, Aug or Nov per w:Kyoto#Climate
Nominated by: ϒpsilon (talk) 14:22, 21 March 2015 (UTC)
Comment: With the risk of contributing to a situation where over half of next winter’s DotMs are from Asia and/or nominating an article that’s guaranteed to sit on this page for at least a year — here comes Kyoto. Apparently it’s one of the best places for this quintessentially Japanese event (the 2015 cherry blossom is taking place in a few days) so March would be a perfect time to feature it. There’s nothing in the article looking really alarming to me, the biggest problem are some sleep listings that should be moved to appropriate districts. The main issues with the districts themselves are listings lacking coordinates, and some eat sections that need to be “pricified”.

Cherry blossoms in Kyoto.jpg

  • Almostϒpsilon (talk) 14:22, 21 March 2015 (UTC)
  • Looks very close. I read through only some of the article with a fine-toothed comb, but I basically agree with you. I don't understand the last introductory sentence in the "Internet and manga cafés" subsection, so that should be dealt with in addition to the "move to district" of the 3 Internet and manga café listings. I'm wondering if the ugly "moved from Kyoto" templates at the bottom of the district articles can be deleted. We don't usually use them when districtifying cities. Ikan Kekek (talk) 20:55, 21 March 2015 (UTC)
I think that the point that this sentence is trying to make is that you can't leave luggage at an Internet Cafe during the day. So you should add ¥300-600 to the price for a luggage locker, and maybe also ¥220 for a bus to the cost of an overnight stay in a cafe. For example a reclining seat (cheaper seats are available) in Media Cafe costs ¥2,350, but a dorm bed in the Earthship hostel costs ¥2,500, or a YHA hostel costs ¥3,400 (see Kyoto/Higashiyama). So staying the night in an internet cafe can be the same price as a hostel bed. AlasdairW (talk) 23:00, 15 April 2015 (UTC)
  • Support It is a fairly good article and the districts are in reasonable shape - although it would be good if more places to eat and drink had lat/longs. AlasdairW (talk) 16:27, 15 May 2015 (UTC)
  • Support — somebody fixed the hotels, I've arranged the restaurants in price categories. I'm changing my vote to support. It would still be nice to have coordinates for the POIs that don't have them in the districts. ϒpsilon (talk) 19:07, 6 September 2015 (UTC)
Yes, someone did fix the "Sleep" section, but I'm still bothered by this ugly template — {{mergecredit|Kyoto}} — which is at the bottom of every district article and produces the following small text in a bordered text box that spans the entire width of the page: "This article contains content that was once found at Kyoto. View that page's revision history for the list of authors." I haven't seen it in any other district article. Why is it needed? Ikan Kekek (talk) 20:26, 6 September 2015 (UTC)
I'd say that should go. Is there any reason not to delete the template as well? Pashley (talk) 21:20, 6 September 2015 (UTC)
I can't think of one. Until just now, I didn't realize there was a special template for this. I don't know of any case of it being used, other than the districtification of Kyoto. Ikan Kekek (talk) 21:33, 6 September 2015 (UTC)
Template:Mergecredit is used in about 40 places, about half of them talk pages. I think that it intended to be used when articles are merged, but obviously isn't most of the time. In the case of Kyoto, it could either be deleted or moved to the talk pages. AlasdairW (talk) 21:59, 6 September 2015 (UTC)
I think the template is not needed because edits that move content from one Wikivoyage page to another are clearly evident in page histories. But maybe we should discuss that in Vfd. In the meantime, these templates would do less damage on talk pages. Are we agreed on moving them from the articles to their talk pages, at least as a temporary measure? Ikan Kekek (talk) 22:34, 6 September 2015 (UTC)
Parenthetically, I started a thread about this template on Vfd. Please express your opinions about the continued existence of the template in that thread. Ikan Kekek (talk) 22:45, 6 September 2015 (UTC)
I'll support featuring this article, too, but I hope that, irrespective of the fate of the "Mergecredit" template on Vfd, we can remove it from all the district articles (and move it to their talk pages, if absolutely necessary) before the Kyoto article runs. Ikan Kekek (talk) 09:57, 23 September 2015 (UTC)
  • Here's the fourth support vote. Very good article; not much I can think of that it needs before featuring. -- AndreCarrotflower (talk) 13:07, 22 September 2015 (UTC)

Antigua Guatemala[edit]

Place: Antigua Guatemala
Blurb: Guatemala's old capital is a hit with fans of Baroque architecture and Latin American history, courtesy of a wonderfully preserved array of colonial-era ruins that fell victim to a 1773 earthquake. (should not exceed ~145 characters)
Article status: Guide (must be guide or above).
Time to feature: Nov-Apr to avoid rainy season
Nominated by: AndreCarrotflower (talk) 15:48, 5 August 2015 (UTC)
Comment: Antigua was (quite rightly) slushed in 2012, when I first postulated it for OtBP, and I'd always had it in the back of my mind to fix it up and renominate it. By two weeks ago - when I finally got around to it - many of the issues with the article had already been addressed, but there was still a lot of work yet to be done. First and foremost, incredibly, there were only a couple of paragraphs written in the "See" section (and no listings!) about Antigua's main tourist draw, the ruins. I also added coordinates and a dynamic map, added addresses, phone numbers, opening hours, prices, etc. to listings where appropriate, filtered out listings of places that had closed, and did some significant copyedits. I think the article is in pretty good shape now, so let's hear whether you folks do too.


  • Support as nominator. Looking over this article one final time, it strikes me that maybe a few more listings ought to be added to "Drink", but that's a minor issue to be sure. Some further copyediting might also be necessary: the article's original author wrote in Commonwealth English, which per Wikivoyage:Spelling is not appropriate for a Latin American destination, and I may have missed an instance or two of that.
Also: it's been suggested that Antigua would be better suited for the DotM column rather than OtBP. Antigua was intended for OtBP both of the previous times when it was nominated, but in the end I have no personal preference either way. Let's hear your opinions on that too.
-- AndreCarrotflower (talk) 15:48, 5 August 2015 (UTC)
  • Comment: Is it really wise to nominate this definition of the beaten bath in Central America (after all it is on the top three list of all "Central America in two weeks" types) as otbp? Doesn't that further the narrative that "off the beaten path" is meaningless marketing-speech? Hobbitschuster (talk) 16:09, 5 August 2015 (UTC)
Hobbitschuster, please read my above remarks where I addressed that exact issue, which you brought up as well on Talk:Antigua Guatemala. -- AndreCarrotflower (talk) 16:11, 5 August 2015 (UTC)
  • Support, either as DotM or OtBP. Would of course be nice to have a couple of more Drink listings, though. --ϒpsilon (talk) 19:34, 5 August 2015 (UTC)
  • I congratulate AndreCarrotflower for his great work on this article and happily support featuring the article, without prejudice to the question of whether it should be OtBP or DotM. Does anyone have figures on the numbers of visitors per year, by comparison with some other places we've featured? Ikan Kekek (talk) 19:44, 5 August 2015 (UTC)
  • Comment: I might mention that with London/Hampstead, Palmyra (New York), Dilijan, Gaspé Peninsula, and now Washington, D.C./Anacostia on tap as OtBPs for the warm months of 2016, for scheduling purposes it would be much more convenient to have Antigua as DotM (for which we have no candidates at all after Kyoto in March). -- AndreCarrotflower (talk) 20:38, 5 August 2015 (UTC)
  • Move to DotM? - Hobbitschuster seems to be the only one with a strong opinion on which column Antigua belongs in. Ypsi and Ikan are both undecided, and I'm undecided on an objective basis but leaning toward switching it to DotM for logistical purposes because a) it would create an open slot in the OtBP column, of which there are currently none until October 2016 (!), and b) putting it in the slot for February 2016, where I had intended Cartagena to go, would buy me at least two more months to fix that article's flaws.
Would anyone - especially anyone who's not yet commented on this nomination - object to me moving this candidate to the DotM column?
-- AndreCarrotflower (talk) 18:22, 6 August 2015 (UTC)
One tangential comment: I think Dilijan, though improved, probably still isn't yet ready to be featured, but we can discuss that more in its nomination thread. Ikan Kekek (talk) 21:01, 6 August 2015 (UTC)
Support moving to DotM, on a Guatemalan scale this is an important place. Also, I agree it could be a good idea to have an alternative for the February slot if Cartagena isn't ready before the winter. --ϒpsilon (talk) 07:09, 7 August 2015 (UTC)
Anyone else? -- AndreCarrotflower (talk) 15:32, 8 August 2015 (UTC)
  • Per consensus, this nomination has been moved from the OtBP column to DotM. -- AndreCarrotflower (talk) 01:59, 9 August 2015 (UTC)


Place: Indianapolis
Blurb: At the "Crossroads of America", the sturdy, corn-fed capital of the U.S. state of Indiana is a destination for motorsports fanatics every May when it plays host to the "Indy 500". (should not exceed ~145 characters)
Article status: Guide (must be guide or above).
Time to feature: May 2016 for Indianapolis 500, otherwise Apr-Oct
Nominated by: AndreCarrotflower (talk) 03:09, 9 August 2015 (UTC)
Comment: Justin has done some pretty solid work on this article. There are a few minor issues, but nothing that couldn't be fixed before the end of next May, when the Indianapolis 500 descends on the Motor Speedway once again.

2007 Indianapolis 500 - Starting field formation before start.jpg

  • Weak support as nominator. Here's what needs to be done for my unqualified support:
  • There's a dynamic map, but no listings outside the "See" section have coordinates.
  • Some listings in "Do" need to be moved or reformatted: for example, "Get creeped out at the Indiana Medical History Museum" should be simply "Indiana Medical History Museum", and belongs in "See". (In other words, there's a time and a place to use lively tone.)
  • "Go next" should list cities or other destinations, not individual attractions.
-- AndreCarrotflower (talk) 03:09, 9 August 2015 (UTC)
  • Support and comment I would be happy to do any tiding up that anyone thinks is necessary and an eight-month time frame is definitely doable. —Justin (koavf)TCM 03:19, 9 August 2015 (UTC)
  • Almost support — mostly due to the lack of coordinates. Also, I'm a little curious about the plan to divide the Indianapolis article into districts. I don't think it has to be done but I don't oppose the idea either (the article is long but not unwieldy). Nevertheless if Justin or others would like to do this, the distrification should also be completed by the time the article goes live. ϒpsilon (talk) 19:32, 10 August 2015 (UTC)
  • Almost — I like the article, but there is some scope for improvement, as featured articles are more likely to be read by people who haven't been to the US.
The term "Indy" is widely used but not explained - does everybody in the US understand Indy to mean Indianapolis, not Indiana? A couple more photos of See listings would be good. There are some Do listings (Other fun) that should be in Eat. "Wander the galleries on First Fridays" - it is not clear whether these galleries are open on any other day of the month.
Get in could be improved: 3 of the airports have broken links, and we should probably be clearer which have regular commercial flights; Indianapolis International Airport should be expanded to list the main cities served and also to give ground transport details - 8 bus, price of a taxi to town etc. By bus could be expanded e.g. Greyhound have 7 buses per day from Chicago taking around 4 hours.
All the listings need to be checked as I have found a few broken links: Fountain Diner, MCL Cafeteria, The Bosphorus Istanbul Cafe, Red Eye Cafe, Serendipity Haus. AlasdairW (talk) 22:10, 10 August 2015 (UTC)


Place: Stockholm
Blurb: Are you interested in history, art, gastronomy, partying or shopping? The royal capital set in a beautiful archipelago has something for everyone. (should not exceed ~145 characters)
Article status: Guide (must be guide or above).
Time to feature: May-Sep
Nominated by: ϒpsilon (talk) 18:53, 27 August 2015 (UTC)
Comment: Yup, guess who's back from the slush pile again. The last time the largest problem was that there were more districts than content in most of them. Me and Prince restructured the city a year ago and I've recently listingfied the district articles and filled in missing pieces of information (unbelievable how many places didn't even have a freaking address!), so there shouldn't be any issues with the districts any longer. Certainly there is outdated stuff here and there, but that's something that should better be fixed a month or two before the article is featured to make sure the article is up to date when it is featured (from today until May, probably at least one POI in each district will have closed down or otherwise changed). In the Stockholm article itself I've converted many many old-style external links to our new style and though there are also some other style issues that yet have to be fixed (most notably, bulleted points are overused). Nevertheless, as updating probably more than a hundred listings took me four evenings, it shouldn't be impossible to polish up the article in eight to twelve months...

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  • Not yet per comment but I'm putting this here now as there are still vacant DotM slots for next summer. ϒpsilon (talk) 18:53, 27 August 2015 (UTC)
  • Support - as our big city articles go, this one's really good. I am not saying this because I was mentioned above, as I did precious little compared to other users (and yes, I could have done more in the recent weeks when it was called for...) My comment would be that since Eurovision returns to Stockholm for May 2016, we could feature the city in May or even April (when people will be planning their visits to the city for the shows in the first half of May), and from my experience May is perhaps the best month to visit. I intend to head to Stockholm for the ESC myself and I will be looking into the article immediately prior to fix all the issues that might arise from last-minute changes for sure. PrinceGloria (talk) 05:27, 28 August 2015 (UTC)
ϒpsilon, there are also walking tours listed. To date, the consensus is that walking tours, regardless of whether they are free or not, generally should not be listed when in theory, it's possible to do the same tour yourself without a guide. The same standard doesn't apply to bike tours because cycling is considered an activity and walking isn't, or something (I don't think that's really the reason, but I've never really understood this policy distinction). So yeah, I agree that the article still could use some more work, but I expect to support the article's nomination soon. Ikan Kekek (talk) 05:56, 28 August 2015 (UTC)
  • Support Prince removed the walking tours, and I've now cut down the insane number of bulleted points and made the text more comfortable to read. Apparently many businesses have locations in three or even four districts so probably it's OK to leave their listings with all the addresses here in this article, otherwise descriptions would need to be duplicated. ϒpsilon (talk) 14:35, 19 September 2015 (UTC)
  • Looks good to me; I'm ready to give the article a vote of support. Ikan Kekek (talk) 07:34, 23 September 2015 (UTC)


Place: Tunis
Blurb: A place of contrasts: the capital and largest city of Tunisia, yet compact and relatively laid-back (even in the souq!); largely passed over by tourists, yet a gateway to the magnificent ruins of Cathage and the crowded beaches of Sousse. (should not exceed ~145 characters)
Article status: Guide (must be guide or above).
Time to feature: Mar-Jun, Sep-Nov
Nominated by: AndreCarrotflower (talk) 22:40, 22 September 2015 (UTC)
Comment: Continuing with the trend toward African destinations on the Main Page, here's a pretty good article that would be only our second North African feature ever. I'm envisioning June 2016 for this one, or else the following autumn.

[EDIT: I might have known, this is yet another of the African articles that's been whipped into shape by Ypsilon. Again, Ypsi, thank you for your copious help to the cause of geographic diversity on the Main Page.]

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  • Very, very close. A "Do" section that's in need of expansion is the only thing barring this article from my support. -- AndreCarrotflower (talk) 22:40, 22 September 2015 (UTC)
Thanks a lot for your compliments! :) Though, I was actually thinking of having Tunis some year in the early spring or late autumn, when we (compared to the summer) traditionally have had somewhat hard time finding suitable candidates. ϒpsilon (talk) 04:23, 23 September 2015 (UTC)
This is a highly developed article, and one thing I like is the "orientation" subsection, probably borrowed from fr.wikivoyage. It's a good idea and something that should be in more en.wikivoyage articles. I did some copy editing, but there's a lot of material to go through. Ikan Kekek (talk) 07:47, 23 September 2015 (UTC)

Halifax (Nova Scotia)[edit]

Place: Halifax (Nova Scotia)
Blurb: The largest city in Canada's Maritime Provinces boasts a long, proud military history, a restored 19th-century waterfront, and friendly, laid-back East Coast hospitality. (should not exceed ~145 characters)
Article status: Guide (must be guide or above).
Time to feature: Jun-Sep (when planning the schedule, remember Percé/Gaspé Peninsula is there too ϒpsilon (talk) 09:34, 28 September 2015 (UTC) )
Nominated by: AndreCarrotflower (talk) 04:01, 28 September 2015 (UTC)
Comment: It's time to start looking for DotM candidates for summer 2016 - as of now we've got Stockholm and that's all. Here's a candidate I've had my eye on for a while.

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  • Weak support as of now. A few easy fixes will upgrade my vote to full support, namely:
  • about half the listings need coordinates,
  • "Go next" needs a few minor tweaks to conform with the Wikivoyage standard,
  • the "Climate" section needs to be filled out with more than just the temperature/precipitation infobox, and
  • the "Cope" section is empty (it contained information about a drug addiction treatment center that I reverted as irrelevant to travellers).

-- AndreCarrotflower (talk) 04:01, 28 September 2015 (UTC)

  • Almost — when the things Andre mentioned are fixed, also I will be happy to support Halifax for DotM. BTW apparently the Cope section can be left out if there's nothing important to add there.
Ps. I have several ideas for summer DotMs. But as we have just a few summer months, dropping all 10+ of those articles here at once would almost be vandalism, I guess :). ϒpsilon (talk) 09:34, 28 September 2015 (UTC)
Mention them on the talk page. Ikan Kekek (talk) 10:34, 28 September 2015 (UTC)


Place: Riga
Blurb: Perhaps best known for its nightclubs, the metropolis on Daugava is packed with history from the Middle ages to the Cold war. (should not exceed ~145 characters)
Article status: Guide (must be guide or above).
Time to feature: May-Sep
Nominated by: ϒpsilon (talk) 18:42, 9 October 2015 (UTC)
Comment: Thanks to Prince (it’s an article of a major European city, what would you expect?) the article is in a good shape and it actually takes some effort to find something to complain about. Some POIs have short descriptions and some lack coordinates, but this can be fixed in an hour or so. Also, a month or so before it gets featured it's good to click through all links, amend or remove dead ones and remove businesses that have closed...

Vistas desde la iglesia de San Pedro, Riga, Letonia, 2012-08-07, DD 12.JPG
  • As it's probably me who will do this eventually, it'd be silly for me to write "almost" before support. ϒpsilon (talk) 18:42, 9 October 2015 (UTC)
  • Tentative support pending the fixes Ypsi has identified and plans to do. In addition, the cities listed in "Go next" need one-liner descriptions, and the selections probably need to be pruned a bit. -- AndreCarrotflower (talk) 22:31, 28 October 2015 (UTC)

Edinburgh/New Town[edit]

Place: Edinburgh/New Town
Blurb: 250 years ago, in 1766 the young architect, James Craig, won the contest to design an extension to Scotland's capital city. (should not exceed ~145 characters)
Article status: Guide (must be guide or above).
Time to feature: 2016 or 2017 (August would be best as that is when the Edinburgh festivals are held - for 2017 blurb to refer to plans being accepted by town council in 1767)
Nominated by: AlasdairW (talk) 14:25, 24 October 2015 (UTC)
Comment: Edinburgh was featured on DOTM in December 2005, but I doubt many readers will remember.

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Support as nominator. It should be reasonably up-to-date as a lot of changes have been made in the last six months. AlasdairW (talk) 14:29, 24 October 2015 (UTC)

  • Support, a quick glance reveals no big issues (a pic or two towards the middle would be good and some coords are also missing). Concerning scheduling, I think there is still a summer slot left in 2016 so that this one doesn't sit here for almost two years. However we may want to have a month or two between this one, London Hampstead and Driving in the UK (which I nominated for FTT a few hours ago) to avoid having two UK articles overlapping. ϒpsilon (talk) 15:35, 24 October 2015 (UTC)
  • Minor quibble: if we're going to break up "Buy" and "Drink" geographically, it should be done with second-level section headings, not with random paragraphs interrupting the bullet-point list. Of course, that's far too minor an issue to preclude my support. -- AndreCarrotflower (talk) 22:34, 28 October 2015 (UTC)

Nominations for Off the Beaten Path[edit]

Palmyra (New York)[edit]

Place: Palmyra (New York)
Blurb: The birthplace of the Latter-Day Saints movement (also known as Mormonism), Palmyra is a village steeped in history and enriched by the dynamic presence of the Erie Canal. (should not exceed ~145 characters)
Article status: Guide (must be guide or above).
Time to feature: July or June (Hill Cumorah Pageant is mid-July), elsewise anytime between March and October
Nominated by: Powers (talk) 23:36, 27 October 2014 (UTC)
Comment: Blurb needs work. Been working on it off and on since 2012, before the move to the WMF. This is what it looked like when I started. It's definitely off the beaten path, but its attractions include the holiest sites of a significant world religion with more than 15 million adherents.

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  • Support. That's a lot of really good work! I haven't read through the entire article with a fine-toothed comb, but I feel very satisfied that I've read through enough of it to be able to testify to its high quality. A few more photos, if available (perhaps one of the canal?) would be welcome. Ikan Kekek (talk) 01:12, 28 October 2014 (UTC)
    Free photos are hard to come by, in part because searching produces false positives with Palmyra. There are some options out there, and I've got a couple of my own I might be able to use; I just haven't added them yet. I appreciate the reminder, though! Powers (talk) 01:20, 28 October 2014 (UTC)
    I've added a couple of photos; feel free to look for some more to add! Powers (talk) 02:22, 28 October 2014 (UTC)
  • Support. Excellent work, Powers, though I echo Ikan's request for more photos. Let's put this on the Main Page in July 2016, to coincide with the Hill Cumorah pageant (and to avoid running too close to Buffalo's DotM run, which I envision for June 2015). -- AndreCarrotflower (talk) 02:12, 28 October 2014 (UTC)
    Small nitpick: in an article with nine other places in the Eat section that aren't national chains, do we really need a listing for Subway? -- AndreCarrotflower (talk) 02:16, 28 October 2014 (UTC)
    Need, no, but the list isn't strongly curated, so it seemed odd to omit it just because it's a chain. In small towns like this, without local specialty cuisines, sometimes consistency and predictability is desirable for a traveler over greasy spoons and diners with unknown standards. I'd thought about just mentioning it without giving it a full listing, but I thought its location inside a gas station was best explained in a full listing. Powers (talk) 02:22, 28 October 2014 (UTC)
  • Support - The article looks good, I can't really find anything big to complain about though I do notice there are quite many redlinks in the article. Yeah, and of course some more photos would be great. ϒpsilon (talk) 19:28, 28 October 2014 (UTC)
    Are redlinks a problem for some reason? And there are now six photos in the article; if you find any more you'd like to add feel free, but policy does request we don't go overboard. Powers (talk) 21:25, 28 October 2014 (UTC)
I believe we have enough photos at this point. -- AndreCarrotflower (talk) 00:02, 29 October 2014 (UTC)
Yes indeed, with the two that Powers added since this discussion started. Ikan Kekek (talk) 01:06, 29 October 2014 (UTC)

[unindent] This is another article with 3 votes of support. Any interest from anyone else? Ikan Kekek (talk) 00:06, 1 January 2015 (UTC)

  • Support-I can't imagine there is anything important left out of this article. My only suggestion is to add a summary paragraph under "Do" since all the other sections have one.Godsendlemiwinks (talk) 22:17, 18 May 2015 (UTC)


Place: Taxila
Blurb: Once a great centre of Greek-influenced Buddhist culture and Silk Road trade, today this UNESCO World Heritage-listed archaeological site is one of Pakistan's main tourist destinations. (should not exceed ~145 characters)
Article status: Guide (must be guide or above).
Time to feature: Oct-Jun per [1], so Nov or Dec 2015?
Nominated by: Saqib (talk) 21:25, 26 February 2015 (UTC)
Comment: Taxila is an important archaeological sites of South Asia and a UNESCO World Heritage Site.

  • Support — Surprise? I'm back with Taxila again which was slushed not so long ago. I was able to work on it a bit. In my opinion, the guide is ready. YPSI and Julias raised the issues that while Taxila is major town, only few eat listings are provided and article is mostly focussing on archaeology sites. I've provided some more eateries that are worth to eat-in, and still there're many out there but they are just basic. I don't know how to describe a typical normal eating place so instead of mentioning them as listings, I've just mentioned all of them in as one liner. Other than ruins rather, there is nothing worth to see in modern Taxila. Yes, there're some Hindu temples but they are more like a religios site rather than a attraction. Please take into account, I'm not nominating it for star status and Taxila is not as big as many of you may think. 'm pretty sure the guide will serve the traveller best. --Saqib (talk) 21:25, 26 February 2015 (UTC)
  • I'm not 100% ready to support a feature yet; I find the one line at the end of "Eat" frustrating because there's no indication of where the named hygienic eateries are. Ikan Kekek (talk) 03:45, 27 February 2015 (UTC)
Also, can a suitable caption be added to the uncaptioned photo, please? Ikan Kekek (talk) 03:48, 27 February 2015 (UTC)
IK: I mentioned the location. Taxila is not a big town with not so many good eateries. I know you' and others may still want to see more eat/drink listings but pleae be note that Taxila is a town with not more than a hundred thousands residents and given that a visitor is not going to spend more than a night in Taxila, the provided eat listings should be sufficient. Anyways, with that being said, I will continue to improve the guide as time passes. --Saqib (talk) 13:23, 27 February 2015 (UTC)
User:Saqib, this is the part I'm talking about:
A few other establishments that serve basic but hygienic Pakistani food are Sherazi Restaurant, Dream Land, Valley Food, Krispo fast food, Hang In and Kabli Hotel. Most of them are on Khanpur Rd and near the station.
You say where most of them are, but are these restaurants in particular on Khanpur Rd and near the station? If so, maybe that's specific enough, but right now, it isn't clear where these places are. I don't insist on more listings, just a clarification of where these are. Ikan Kekek (talk) 16:43, 27 February 2015 (UTC)
  • I might as well support the article. If the eat section cannot be expanded, I guess we just have to leave it as it is. I can understand that if there are just basic eateries very similar to each other, there is not much to write about each of them (this is usually the case in smaller countryside towns everywhere in the world). But maybe there could be POI markers showing where the clusters of eateries are located. After all, our guides are aimed at people who have never been to the destination and they should not need to consult other travel guides.
Which months are suitable for featuring Taxila? Climate-data would suggest October to June. This would mean November or December 2015. ϒpsilon (talk) 13:30, 27 February 2015 (UTC)
Right YPSI. POI markers could be added. I will insert them in a while. As for featuring time, offcourse winter time would be recommended so that visitors can walk as well. Between October and March would be perfect. BTW it is unfortunate for Pakistan that none other than LP ever wrote a comprehensive travel guide on Pakistan. And It may sound silly to say that our Taxila guide is far better than theirs. They mention only 2 hotels but no eat/drink place so I don't think a visitor will have to or able to consult any other guide. --Saqib (talk) 13:46, 27 February 2015 (UTC)
  • My somewhat minor concerns having been dealt with, I am now happy to support featuring this article. Ikan Kekek (talk) 01:13, 28 February 2015 (UTC)


Place: Dilijan
Blurb: This walkable Armenian town is nicknamed "Armenian Switzerland" but has a character all its own. (should not exceed ~145 characters)
Article status: Guide (must be guide or above).
Time to feature: The lede says that the town has "mild climate", but since skiing isn't listed under "Do", I suppose we should avoid winter months and favor May-October
Nominated by: Ikan Kekek (talk) 10:45, 23 March 2015 (UTC)
Comment: Candidly, I'd never heard of this town until I clicked the article from Category:Guide articles, but it looks like an excellent article about a worthwhile place.

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  • Support by nominator. This is a picturesque place and the article is nicely listified. Some prices may need to be updated, but I don't see anything that would otherwise prevent us from featuring this article tomorrow, which we won't do in any case. Ikan Kekek (talk) 10:45, 23 March 2015 (UTC)
  • Close The issues are not great, but I think these need dealt with: the Geological Museum should at least have a little description, the "Do" section needs to expand on each of the topics. The current bulleted list is as helpful as empty space, and it needs some "Go Next" listings. Also, is it misrepresented as a "resort town"? That is the first thing the article says about it, but none of the pictures, sites, or activities suggest that it's actually a resort town. ChubbyWimbus (talk) 14:02, 23 March 2015 (UTC)
I agree with CW, they are easily fixed but they do have to be fixed before the article goes on the main page. However, as Armenian phrasebook likely will go on the main page sometimes in the fall, and the OtBP section is otherwise practically fully booked for the rest of 2015, it will take some time before Dilijan will get featured. Per Climate-data, I would say the time to feature is from May to October. --ϒpsilon (talk) 19:07, 23 March 2015 (UTC)
I did my best, as someone who has no personal knowledge of the town, to address your concerns. I have no idea whether it is being misrepresented as a resort town. I think I'll post something about climate. Ikan Kekek (talk) 06:04, 24 March 2015 (UTC)
I created a climate chart and also wrote about the climate. See what you think of the article now. Reviews of the Geological Museum and Art Gallery of Dilijan on Tripadvisor were generally positive, but there were only 4 of them. I have no idea how much I'd like the museum if I visited; some of the art on display that I found pictures of wouldn't interest me. So I thought it was probably best to quote (with quotation marks and citation) and paraphrase from what the museum says about itself, and let travellers choose whether to go based on that. Ikan Kekek (talk) 06:47, 24 March 2015 (UTC)
  • Close. ChubbyWimbus' point regarding the "Do" section is well taken, and is also arguably applicable to "Buy" and "Drink" too. Also, we need coordinates in the "Eat" section. And finally, I understand there's a school of thought that holds it to be acceptable to configure dynamic maps such that some outlying POIs are left off the margins, but I think 8 out of 11 POIs invisible in the default settings is stretching it way too far. -- AndreCarrotflower (talk) 15:02, 1 April 2015 (UTC)
Well, unless someone who actually knows the town would like to fill in more information, we'll probably have to slush the nomination. I do have a question about the map, though. I have to reduce the zoom level to 11 to show all but one of the "Nearby" attractions (#10), but then the town is just an orange plus sign. From the viewpoint of seeing the numbers of listings, it's not so bad, because the plus sign is hiding only #2 and #3, so would you recommend that zoom level, even though the result is a regional map? Ikan Kekek (talk) 09:54, 12 April 2015 (UTC)
I think it's probably OK to make the "Eat" section "Eat and drink", given the remark in the "Drink" section. I'm going to do that now. Ikan Kekek (talk) 09:58, 12 April 2015 (UTC)
I zoomed the map in and recentered it well to the west of town, but that might need to be revisited if the Eat & drink and Sleep sections are subjected to thorough Geo. Ikan Kekek (talk) 07:59, 13 April 2015 (UTC)

[unindent] Thanks to User:Kiaora, the article is much improved. What do you all think of it now, in terms of adequacy of content? Also, should the map now be zoomed in a bit to make the town's points of interest more visible, given the higher number now covered in the article? Ikan Kekek (talk) 06:52, 22 August 2015 (UTC)

  • Support. Looks much better now. Thousand thanks to Kiaora and yourself for valuable additions. I'd prefer not to zoom in the map, as there are quite a couple of POIs outside the town that may go unnoticed if the map is zoomed in. The reader can zoom it in him/herself to get a closer look. ϒpsilon (talk) 09:20, 22 August 2015 (UTC)

Ein Gedi[edit]

Place: Ein Gedi
Blurb: This beautiful oasis on the Israeli side of the Dead Sea Valley is a hiker's dream come true. (should not exceed ~145 characters)
Article status: Guide (must be guide or above).
Time to feature: November-April
Nominated by: Ikan Kekek (talk) 10:04, 1 April 2015 (UTC)
Comment: This is another great article that's largely the work of User:Tamuz.

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  • Support by nominator. I'll be interested to see what kind of feedback this nomination gets. I think this article is wonderful, and the detailed descriptions of the hikes are extremely user-friendly for the traveller. I would be very disappointed if someone felt that they were "personal itineraries", and therefore somehow in violation of site policy. Instead, they look like good suggested hikes that are effectively "Do" listings (sublistings, if you prefer), and are printable and detailed enough to be really useful to visitors. This article is very well-written and doesn't obviously lack for anything I can think of, especially now that I added a climate chart. Ikan Kekek (talk) 10:04, 1 April 2015 (UTC)
  • Support. To Ikan's comments above, content in a destination article that could arguably be described as a "personal itinerary", I think, is an entirely different animal than personal itineraries as articles in and of themselves. That being the case, the article is well-written but, apart from the hikes, seems awfully short; are we sure there isn't anything more that can be said about the place? -- AndreCarrotflower (talk) 15:31, 1 April 2015 (UTC)
  • Comment — If the routes are marked trails, I wouldn't say they are personal itineraries. Also, I would like to know if the latter part of the article could be expanded before giving the article my support. Another thing, there's an article I would like to nominate for FTT, namely Hiking and backpacking in Israel by the same author. I tried to contact Tamuz about that article (because despite being at Guide status, the article still has some empty headings in the end) but he hasn't replied. If that article would get featured sometime in early 2016, I guess there would need to be a few months between it and this one. ϒpsilon (talk) 17:01, 1 April 2015 (UTC)
User:Tamuz hasn't replied to messages on his user talk page recently. Perhaps he may check after the Passover holiday, but we should be prepared for the possibility that he does not. User:ויקיג'אנקי, do you happen to be familiar with Ein Gedi? Ikan Kekek (talk) 20:05, 1 April 2015 (UTC)
Tamuz used to be very active on Hebvoy when the website launched. He is a tour guide and has a lot of knowledge about this stuff. Unfortunately he stopped being active sometime around mid 2013. ויקיג'אנקי (talk) 22:33, 1 April 2015 (UTC)
Hi. Indeed I haven't had much time to contribute in the past year. I'll find time this week or the next, to expand and improve the Ein Gedi article for this nomination. Thanks for your support and appreciation :) Tamuz (talk) 08:50, 12 April 2015 (UTC)
Terrific! No huge rush, because we probably can't feature the article till next year, but I'm very happy to see you resurface. :-) Ikan Kekek (talk) 09:46, 12 April 2015 (UTC)
  • Well, OK, here's one more support vote. I figured out some more places to eat. It'd also be good to know if there is some small convenience store or similar where hikers can stock up on snacks and beverages. ϒpsilon (talk) 19:21, 30 October 2015 (UTC)


Place: Hilo
Blurb: Typically Hawaiian but little touristed, in Hilo surfing, snorkeling and volcanoes aren't far away. (should not exceed ~145 characters)
Article status: Guide (must be guide or above).
Time to feature: Jan-Feb (only months with less than 20 rainy days)
Nominated by: ϒpsilon (talk) 15:00, 14 May 2015 (UTC)
Comment: Let's put on the Aloha shirts next winter and have our first Main Page feature from Hawaii. I found the article a few months back and have checked it through.

  • Support ϒpsilon (talk) 15:00, 14 May 2015 (UTC)
  • Support (see below). You beat me to the punch, Ypsi; I was planning on nominating this article after I got done with Buffalo/East Side and Historic Churches of Buffalo's East Side. If I remember correctly, I had come across a few minor issues with the article when I looked it over before, but it seems fine now so you must have fixed them. Anyhow, this would be a nice feature for winter 2015-16. -- AndreCarrotflower (talk) 15:38, 14 May 2015 (UTC)
Also Ikan suggested nominating it :) ϒpsilon (talk) 15:49, 14 May 2015 (UTC)
Yeah, it's a worthy article to nominate, but before I support the nomination: Have all the listings been checked and updated? Do we have current room rates in the hotel listings, for example? Ikan Kekek (talk) 19:04, 14 May 2015 (UTC)
  • Not yet. The more I look at this article, the more little things I find wrong with it. First off, though all the listings have geo coordinates, there's no mapframe. Secondly, though I do realize the vast majority of visitors to Hawaii arrive by plane, a single two-sentence listing of the local airport does not in any way suffice for a "Get in" section. "Get around" very much needs to be expanded too. -- AndreCarrotflower (talk) 19:18, 14 May 2015 (UTC)
And "Climate" needs to be either expanded or folded into the parent "Understand" section. No use in splitting something off to a different section if it's only one sentence long. -- AndreCarrotflower (talk) 19:20, 14 May 2015 (UTC)
I made some changes to Understand and surrounding sections, also adding a map. The uppermost part of the article looks weird, but I'm not able to get it look any better. Removing the lead picture would make the article look boring.
Concerning transport, well, I don't know much about Hilo, the Big Island or Hawaii. But at least when looking at Big Island#Get in (and around) it doesn't seem like there are any other alternatives for getting in and around than those already mentioned.
When adding coordinates, I of course removed listings where the business neither showed up in nor when googling it. Also, if I noticed something to be incorrect (address etc.) I fixed it. I've not checked the room rates for hotels, nor other prices. ϒpsilon (talk) 11:26, 15 May 2015 (UTC)
I think we should check and update rates as appropriate before we run the article. AndreCarrotflower, what else do you think should be in "Get in"? I guess information about roads. I suppose a few people will go to Hilo from Kona, but not too many. We can and probably should add that information, but if you are elsewhere on the island, I don't think it'll be hard for you to find out how to drive to Hilo. Ikan Kekek (talk) 14:02, 15 May 2015 (UTC)
Ikan - Sorry for my belated response here. Yes, we should include information on how to get in by road (even if that info consists basically of "all Big Island roads lead to Hilo"), as well as a By boat section that includes information on marinas that offer transient slip rental as well as details on inter-island ferry service, if such a thing exists.
Also, it looks like the only topic "Get around" covers with any thoroughness is public transportation. We might also include information on bicycling, car rental, the layout of the street grid (if there are any peculiarities travellers would need to know), one-way streets (if applicable), rush hours (if applicable), and so forth.
-- AndreCarrotflower (talk) 00:08, 21 July 2015 (UTC)
Rush hour in Hilo was very mild, from what I could tell. I'll have a look at the article when time allows, but someone with more experience than I will need to discuss one-way streets. I don't remember many of them, though. It seemed fairly easy to drive around that fairly small town, from what I can remember, but then I was a passenger, not a driver. My girlfriend may have some input. Ikan Kekek (talk) 05:52, 21 July 2015 (UTC)
My girlfriend says that people drove very slow and mellow and would let people change lanes easily. There were no wide highways, few streetlights in Volcano (but that's some way from Hilo), and not much traffic. She doesn't remember it being stressful or difficult to drive there. Neither of us remember many one-way streets. My girlfriend also says that if you made a mistake there, it was easy to get back to where you wanted to be. Ikan Kekek (talk) 06:03, 21 July 2015 (UTC)
I added the two reasonable routes from Kona Airport to Hilo. My girlfriend and I didn't go all the way from Hilo and the Hamakua Coast to the Kona side when we were there, so my remarks are not authoritative, but the observations on what it's like to drive there are to the best of my recollection, and we did go on the Saddle Road to the Mauna Kea Observatory and travel some distance north of Hilo on the Hawaii Belt Road (HI-19), and the timings I give are quite a bit longer than the unreasonably short estimates on Google Maps. In particular, their claim that you could take the Saddle Road across the interior of the island all the way from Kona Airport to Hilo in 1 1/2 hours without traffic seems ridiculous to me, and 2 hours may be optimistic. We're talking about some high ground with some rough curves. Ypsi, I saw you changed and added some hotel room rates. How far have you gotten in updating the listings? Are they ready to go, or is more work needed? Ikan Kekek (talk) 07:08, 10 September 2015 (UTC)
All hotel rates are updated from the hotels' web pages. I also added some stuff about getting in and around by googling and looking at the dynamic map. ϒpsilon (talk) 09:54, 10 September 2015 (UTC)
Wonderful! What about "Buy", "Eat" and "Drink" listings? Whenever we know they're current, it will be time to approve the article for a feature. Ikan Kekek (talk) 10:18, 10 September 2015 (UTC)
If I remember correctly, when nominating Hilo in May I went through all listings adding coordinates and addresses if they were missing and removed some places that apparently didn't exist any longer. ϒpsilon (talk) 10:33, 10 September 2015 (UTC)
I know AndreCarrotflower wanted a listing for a bicycle rental place, and I think there was one bicycle shop on Kamehameha Avenue when I was there in 2012, so perhaps we can find the information before the article runs, but I'm ready to support featuring this article. Ikan Kekek (talk) 10:41, 10 September 2015 (UTC)

(unindent) Nice job, Ikan, and sorry for my belated response. I had envisioned the finished "Get around" section being a bit longer, but anyhow Hilo is a small city and nothing seems to be missing, so I can support this nominee now. -- AndreCarrotflower (talk) 12:58, 22 September 2015 (UTC)

Washington, D.C./Anacostia[edit]

Place: Washington, D.C./Anacostia
Blurb: Despite its reputation among Washingtonians for crime and blight, east of the river lies a hearty serving of D.C. black history, from Frederick Douglass to Marvin Gaye. (should not exceed ~145 characters)
Article status: Star (must be guide or above).
Time to feature: Mar-May or Sep-Nov (midsummer is very hot and muggy)
Nominated by: AndreCarrotflower (talk) 20:28, 5 August 2015 (UTC)
Comment: Maybe it's because my work on Buffalo/East Side is still pretty fresh in my mind, but the moment I laid eyes on this article it appealed to me as a possible OtBP. The similarities between the two are striking: here we have a neighborhood that locals have a one-dimensional view of and tend to stay away from (and advise visitors to do the same), but where a rich slice of American history (and particularly African-American history) that's unknown even to many lifelong Washingtonians awaits those who are willing to defy conventional wisdom. There's been some controversy lately about nominators playing fast and loose with where the boundary between DotM and OtBP lies, so I'm happy to nominate a destination that I feel is both exceptionally worthwhile and unquestionably OtBP.

Frederick Douglass House.jpg

  • Support as nominator. This is a Star article, which should tell you all you need to know about its quality. No significant edits have been made to this article since 2013, so it may be good to ensure that listings are up-to-date. Other than that, I think Anacostia is good to go. -- AndreCarrotflower (talk) 20:28, 5 August 2015 (UTC)
  • Support. A previously-unfeatured Star article. Who could oppose it? Ikan Kekek (talk) 21:09, 5 August 2015 (UTC)
  • Support, but a month or two before it goes eventually live someone should check that everything in the article is still in business. ϒpsilon (talk) 16:19, 6 August 2015 (UTC)

Mount Rinjani[edit]

Place: Mount Rinjani
Blurb: Have you always wanted to climb an active volcano? Mount Rinjani might be the place you're looking for! (should not exceed ~145 characters)
Article status: Guide (must be guide or above).
Time to feature: "Rinjani is best climbed during the April–November dry season." Probably some preparation ahead is needed for climbing travel so we could feature this already March 11th.
Nominated by: --ϒpsilon (talk) 16:19, 6 August 2015 (UTC)
Comment: Support as the nominator, I guess. Though as you can read at Talk:Mount_Rinjani#OtBP.3F I still have some suspicions about the article. Some sections are a bit short. What do others think? --ϒpsilon (talk) 16:19, 6 August 2015 (UTC)

Rinjani Summit.jpg
  • Support? --ϒpsilon (talk) 16:19, 6 August 2015 (UTC)
  • Not yet. The listings in "See" absolutely can't lack lengthy descriptions. "Buy", "Eat", and possibly "Get in and "Get around" should all be lengthened. "Drink" should be eliminated or merged into "Eat", as this somewhat awkwardly named section is supposed to specifically deal with bars and nightlife, of which there presumably are none here. The information in Do#Guides and trekking providers should be carefully vetted to make sure they comply with tour policy.
If we do feature this article, I envision April 2016 (the only remaining OtBP slot until the following autumn, so let's stick to nominating DotMs and FTTs for the next few months!), with Hilo in February and Antigua Guatemala in March.
-- AndreCarrotflower (talk) 17:58, 6 August 2015 (UTC)
The remarks in "Drink" seem useful to travelers, which is ultimately the point, isn't it? I'm not sure I see the point in folding that section into "Eat"; wouldn't it still have to be a subsection, in that case? I think I mostly agree with you on the rest, though I hadn't really noticed these things before you mentioned them (my main activity on this article is reverting a steady stream of touting). For example, in the "Buy" section, I'd like to know what kinds of hand-woven cloth are available for purchase. Just batik, or perhaps some other styles? I'm not sure the information is completely essential, but it sure would be useful to cloth connoisseurs. Ikan Kekek (talk) 21:06, 6 August 2015 (UTC)
I'm afraid some sections cannot be very much expanded; as this is a national park/mountain one cannot expect there to be very many services to list. Those seem to be available in the town/village(?) of Senaru. ϒpsilon (talk) 17:56, 1 September 2015 (UTC)
I take your point, but here is the "Buy" section: "In and around Sembalun Lawang and in Bayan you will have the opportunity to purchase unique and high-quality hand-woven cloth." OK, I suppose these are villages outside the park, but what kind of cloth is it? Also, since these villages lack their own articles, in what article should they be covered? Ikan Kekek (talk) 07:12, 10 September 2015 (UTC)
North Lombok? ϒpsilon (talk) 10:48, 10 September 2015 (UTC)
Whoa! There's no "Buy" section in that article! Anyway, yeah, especially since none of the townships listed in that article have articles and both Sembalun Lawang and Bayan are mentioned, I agree with you, Ikan Kekek (talk) 10:53, 10 September 2015 (UTC)
I moved the content to North Lombok#Buy. Should we delete the Buy subheading in Mount Rinjani? Ikan Kekek (talk) 08:24, 24 October 2015 (UTC)
I'm willing to support this nomination. I still have some constructive criticisms: First, I think that there should really be articles for both Senaru (which has one) and Sembalun Lawang, which does not have one. The listings for lodgings in these villages should be moved to either article. (The other alternative is to merge Senaru with Mount Rinjani and also cover Sembalun Lawang more fully in the article, but I think that's not as good as 3 articles with cross-references as necessary and appropriate but no duplication of listings.) Second, I've figured out by implication that the mountain stream water you can get on the mountain is safe to drink, but if that's true, I think it should be stated explicitly. Ikan Kekek (talk) 08:31, 24 October 2015 (UTC)
I've tried to notify Felix who apparently knows a thing or two about the area but he doesn't seem active here any longer. ϒpsilon (talk) 09:12, 24 October 2015 (UTC)
Yeah, Felix hasn't edited since last December 27, and I hope he's just too busy and in excellent health. I'm wondering if User:Othello95 or User:JarrahTree are familiar with the Mount Rinjani area. Are you, guys? Ikan Kekek (talk) 10:27, 24 October 2015 (UTC)
My apologies, only just re-incarnated as JarrahTree from satusuro, and never got to Rinjani - my limited range of pan-Indonesian travel leaves me reverting to very old copies of Bill Moon's Indonesia Handbook for glimpses of the archipelago of the 1970s and 1980s, at places I never got to - JarrahTree (talk) 09:08, 2 November 2015 (UTC)
  • A great deal of progress has been made on the issues I identified in my earlier "Not yet" vote, but I'm afraid I still can't support this article as long as the "Buy" section is completely empty (which, incidentally, also means this article is technically not at Guide level). If there really is nothing to buy within the boundaries of the park, we should explain as much or, at the very least, delete the subheading. -- AndreCarrotflower (talk) 21:28, 29 October 2015 (UTC)
Yup, Ikan also suggested we should delete the Buy section, after all it's a park. Still waiting if User:Gsarwa would have some knowledge about the mountain. ϒpsilon (talk) 18:16, 30 October 2015 (UTC)

Problem - as an inhabitant a long time ago near Merapi in Central Java and reseaarcher of Indonesian volcanoes, I would not support any visiting at all of active volcanoes in Indonesia, even if they are not erupting.

Rinjani's current eruptions are forcing Ngura Rai airport in Bali closure, so they must be severe. Sorry to be a damp squib on this. Also, most things like 'buy' are so unbelievably irrelevent for volcanoes as to be best left out. Sorry, I am sure there are more inert/inactive volcanoes that are as interesting in Indonesia. JarrahTree (talk) 08:38, 5 November 2015 (UTC)

Too bad the volcano couldn't stay calm until we've featured it as OtBP :(. Luckily there's still almost half a year until Mt Rinjani would've been on the Main Page so we have time to pick some other article for April (or just put Washington/Anacostia there?). ϒpsilon (talk) 12:51, 5 November 2015 (UTC)
Let's not be too hasty regarding this. Last year, several months before Mitzpe Ramon was scheduled to be run as OtBP, there was a flare-up in the Israeli/Palestinian violence and we had rumblings about whether to reschedule its tenure on the Main Page. That turned out not to be necessary. Echoing Ypsilon, we have a full six months before Mount Rinjani is to be featured, and the situation on the ground with the current eruption could change in the interim.
Second of all, to address your specific comment "I would not support any visiting at all of active volcanoes in Indonesia, even if they are not erupting": this is a judgment call that each individual traveller has to make for himself, and given the wide range of trekking operators, established ascent routes, and the fact that this is a national park, plenty of visitors have judged a visit to Mount Rinjani to be worth the risk (at least when it's not erupting). I think there would need to be a consensus from more than one user before we could justify slushing the nominee on that basis, but in my personal opinion it's not the place of any of us to dictate to any visitor, through slushing this nominee for that reason even though it's a perfectly well-written article, what the appropriate threshold of risk ought to be.
-- AndreCarrotflower (talk) 13:36, 5 November 2015 (UTC)
I agree. Let's wait and see how it goes with the current eruption, and postpone if and as needed. There's many places in the world that come with considerable dangers to visitors, but are nonetheless known and celebrated destinations. Warnings are in order, but there's nothing wrong with showcasing them too, once in a while. JuliasTravels (talk) 16:40, 5 November 2015 (UTC)
Yes. Nevertheless, let's keep an eye on the situation and hope that the mountain is reopened and otherwise safe in April. ϒpsilon (talk) 17:07, 5 November 2015 (UTC)
If the turn around time is as said, keep the article. I simply was stating a personal preference in relation to short term prognosis of conditions.

OK, the reasoning from Andre is good, and I agree wholeheartedly with his reservations about the one users comment not enough to slush the thing.

The reasons why I would never go anywhere near the mouth of an active volcano in central java, is my research has identified the number of people who go up and never come back from Merapi in central java - the risk of getting caught in gas clouds that are unannounced is more than I can personally accept. That said, I would never gauge a risk in Indonesia against their capacity to have businesses that are risky, Indonesians have very low risk perception if it is the difference between being able to get a few tourist dollars, having been in vehicles that have gone off the road due to a number of issues, I have experienced that first hand. So if the word slushing (oh those nue ardentes in Java...) is volcanoligically the one to use, then please keep the article but be aware (a) Indonesians have a very dangerous level of hazard/risk perception which might not fit with more astute visitors (b) younger fitter travellers might have the same level risk taking attitude (statistically proven) (c) the article itself as andre points out is well done and good set of info (d) it would be well worth having the article if rinjani's current activity is as open and shut as recent reports suggest... And just to qualify the concern against other things, a friend went up Merapi in Central Java recently, and came back ecstatic about the experience, so I do know that statistically the inactive periods on these good ole guys is a safe time, and well worth the effort if youre into that sort of thing. JarrahTree (talk) 22:34, 5 November 2015 (UTC)


Place: Swakopmund
Blurb: A little bit of Deutschland on the edge of the Namib Desert: Namibia's former colonial capital has been reborn as a seaside resort and an unlikely haven for fans of turn-of-the-century German architecture. (should not exceed ~145 characters)
Article status: Guide (must be guide or above).
Time to feature: Nov-Apr
Nominated by: AndreCarrotflower (talk) 03:46, 9 August 2015 (UTC)
Comment: Yes, I know: I just got done saying let's avoid nominating any new OtBPs for a while. However, a side effect of moving Antigua Guatemala to the DotM column is that we don't have any suitable candidates for March 2016 - Anacostia can't go in that slot because we'll then have two U.S. destinations in a row (Hilo in February), and despite Ypsi's suggestion, I'm not a fan of the idea of running Mount Rinjani during a rainy-season month simply because it would take a while to plan a voyage there.

Luckily, I happened across a worthy destination from a region that rarely enjoys the Main Page limelight. Swakopmund is a popular domestic tourist destination for Namibians, and to a lesser degree also for Germans, but it's off the radar screen for most of the Anglosphere - so it seems clear to me that it belongs in OtBP rather than DotM.

NA Swakopmund Arcade.JPG

  • Support as nominator. The "Do" section needs a bit of cleanup, but that's an easy fix. -- AndreCarrotflower (talk) 03:46, 9 August 2015 (UTC)
  • Support. Very good article. I did some copy editing and doubtless, more is needed. Everything that's liable to have changed (e.g., hotel rates, openings and closings of restaurants) should be checked before the article is run. Ikan Kekek (talk) 07:26, 9 August 2015 (UTC)
  • Weak support. This was one of the African articles I compiled and translated (partially with help of Google translate though never word-by-word from translate as that is not allowed) from several other language versions last spring. Therefore the text in the article may read a bit funny. At that time I thought the 2015-16 winter season would be full so I didn't bother to give the article the final polish that is needed for a Main Page feature. I also added some prices, but there are still details here and there that could be added to listings if they are available on the Internet (when it comes to Africa this is frequently not the case). ϒpsilon (talk) 15:34, 9 August 2015 (UTC)
Word-for-word Google translate usually wouldn't produce fully good results, but you're saying it's not allowed per policy? Ikan Kekek (talk) 20:30, 9 August 2015 (UTC)
Directly copying text from another source (in this case generated by a Google service) would be copyright violation. ϒpsilon (talk) 04:41, 10 August 2015 (UTC)
That seems like a stretch to me. The concept of copyright has to do with creative works, which might cover what a user enters into Google Translate, but certainly not the text that's mechanically spit out at the end. It's also notable that there's nothing on the Google Translate webpage that indicates any copyright claims on Google's part. -- AndreCarrotflower (talk) 17:32, 10 August 2015 (UTC)
Oops, somehow I missed what Ypsi said, "partially with help of Google translate though never word-by-word", which makes my comment above rather moot. Speaking as a frequent user of Google Translate, it's never a good idea not to proofread what comes out on the other end. :) -- AndreCarrotflower (talk) 13:51, 11 August 2015 (UTC)
No, I don't do copypasta because then the result would be even worse. I rather try to make sense of what Translate generates without introducing any misinformation in the article which isn't always too easy especially with a language such as Russian (much of this article comes from ru:Свакопмунд) which is grammatically very different. ϒpsilon (talk) 15:25, 11 August 2015 (UTC)


Place: London/Hampstead
Blurb: A lovely part of London, just a bit off the beaten path and a very pleasant place to spend a relaxing afternoon. (should not exceed ~145 characters)
Article status: Star (must be guide or above).
Time to feature: May-September
Nominated by: Ikan Kekek (talk) 06:49, 15 September 2013 (UTC) (original nomination); AndreCarrotflower (talk) 20:16, 12 August 2015 (UTC) (renomination)
Comment: I suppose there's no point in further delaying pulling Hampstead out of the slush pile, since the summer 2016 months are going to start popping up on the back end of our schedule grid before too long.

For those of you who don't remember or may not have been around at the time, Hampstead is a unique case: it was not placed on the slush pile because of any deficiencies in the article, but due to scheduling concerns. In 2013, both Hampstead and City of London were nominees for the following summer, for OtBP and DotM respectively. While they were both fine articles, policy holds that two different districts of the same Huge City can't be featured on the Main Page less than two years apart. The City of London, being the site of Wikimania that year, won out, whereupon it was decided that instead of having Hampstead linger on this page for almost three years, it should be temporarily slushed with the understanding that it would be renominated later for 2016.

Because there have been no substantial edits to Hampstead since that time, I think it's fine to retain the support/oppose votes the article earned before it was slushed (with, of course, the option for any editor individually to change, rescind, or further elaborate on their previous vote if they choose). As for any nominated article that's been untouched for three years, it would naturally be a good idea to make sure all the listings are up to date.

Kenwood House, London - - 3318.jpg

  • Support. This article duly went through the starnom process and was confirmed as a star, so unless there's some problem that wasn't noticed or has cropped up since, there shouldn't be any issue with the article, and as I said, it is a lovely part of London. The London article was featured in July/August, 2012, so that's the only issue I can see, but by next June, almost 2 years will have passed since then. Ikan Kekek (talk) 06:57, 15 September 2013 (UTC)
  • Support, though I'm not convinced this article belongs in OtBP rather than DotM. Even if Hampstead isn't the most famous neighborhood in London, it's still fairly well-known.
As for the fact that London was featured as DotM in summer 2012, please see my comments here.
-- AndreCarrotflower (talk) 05:46, 16 September 2013 (UTC)
I'm not dead-set on it being OtBP rather than DotM, but as I recall, it's in Zone 3, and while Kenwood House is hardly unknown, it is not on the heaviest tourist routes, which are concentrated in Zone 1 plus the Kew Gardens and some other places I may be forgetting because I've been to London only once so far. I'll go along with whatever the consensus ends up being, and I would love to hear from Londoners on how they view the neighborhood in terms of beaten path vs. off the beaten path. Ikan Kekek (talk) 06:18, 16 September 2013 (UTC)
  • Support. Burmesedays did great work on this one back in the day. I would definitely call it OtBP. I've been there (mostly to see Keats' House), but only because I've lived in London—I wouldn't have made it on a week-long trip, and I tend to get around! --Peter Talk 13:42, 16 September 2013 (UTC)
  • Support, and of course listings have to be updated a little before it's featured. ϒpsilon (talk) 15:09, 13 August 2015 (UTC)
  • Support. It does need updating, but has a lot of good stuff. Something also needs to be done about the map - as lat/longs are added to listings they will get numbers, which won't match the current static map. I would suggest removing most of the listings from the static map, and adding a dynamic map to support listings. AlasdairW (talk) 22:16, 18 August 2015 (UTC)


Place: Salalah
Blurb: With its temperate climate, Dhofar’s historic capital is a cool escape from Arabian summers, and a winter wonderland for divers and naturalists. (should not exceed ~145 characters)
Article status: Guide (must be guide or above).
Time to feature: July-September, or November-March
Nominated by: Ikan Kekek (talk) 05:32, 25 October 2015 (UTC)
Comment: This is a very unusual Arabian destination. StellarD has done a wonderful job on it, and it's in fine shape for a feature.

Downtown Salalah Oman.jpg
  • Support by nominator. Perhaps StellarD will have ideas about how to make the blurb more colorful. Ikan Kekek (talk) 05:32, 25 October 2015 (UTC)
  • Support. I'll work on the blurb. I'd also like to change the page banner to something a little more enticing. Regarding timing, this is a flexible destination and could fill several calendar slots. The high season is July and August during the khareef, with the most important annual festival held in August. The shoulder months are also good times, as then the room rates are not so sky-high. For divers and birders, the best months are in the winter. – StellarD (talk) 07:57, 25 October 2015 (UTC)
  • Support Weather-wise Salalah probably could be featured during any month of the year. ϒpsilon (talk) 10:26, 25 October 2015 (UTC)
StellarD, do you agree with this? If so, please edit the "time" tab in the nomination to mention the best months and the fact that any month is fine to visit. Ikan Kekek (talk) 11:25, 27 October 2015 (UTC)
w:Salalah#Climate is what I based my judgement on. The temperature is quite stable around the year, and there's no month with torrential rain. ϒpsilon (talk) 12:19, 27 October 2015 (UTC)
I've omitted June because it can be quite humid, and expanded the winter months. The blurb would be best tailored to whichever month is chosen, as the character of the place changes quite dramatically. – StellarD (talk) 17:16, 27 October 2015 (UTC)
Thanks, StellarD. Could the blurb encompass both the khareef and winter in one sentence? Ikan Kekek (talk) 20:13, 27 October 2015 (UTC)
  • StellarD - to answer the question you posed in your edit summary ("how flexible is the 145-character limit?"): de facto, the standard is three lines or less of text on the DotM banner. The new blurb should be fine - it could even probably be lengthened by a few words, if there's something else you wanted to include but didn't feel you had space for. -- AndreCarrotflower (talk) 16:38, 28 October 2015 (UTC)
You might use the blurb for Praia as a guide; it's just about the absolute maximum length that fits on three lines. -- AndreCarrotflower (talk) 16:40, 28 October 2015 (UTC)
  • Support. Good information, if a bit sparse. Minor issues:
  • The "Climate" subsection should contain some prose rather than just the climate infobox.
  • "Go next" needs to be elaborated on a bit - sure Taqah is 35km away on Hwy 49 and you can drive to Mirbat in an hour, but why do I want to go to these places?
-- AndreCarrotflower (talk) 22:38, 28 October 2015 (UTC)
  • Comment I think it's a good article, but I think the descriptions are lacking the kind of information that makes the reader want to visit. Maybe it needs a "History" section or just expand the Understand section. It says it was historically famous for the frankincense trade; give us some history. It was independent until the Qaboos came to power; did its independent status contribute to any unique cultural practices, etc? What happened when the Qaboos took over? Why/How did things change? The Jibbali tribes "maintain" government distrust; What distrust was there to begin with?
I think the "See" descriptions are similar. Surely some of the sites are worth more than a one-line description. Where is the hook? Where is the juicy information that pulls me in?
Job's Tomb and Ayn Razat should be in the "See" section. ChubbyWimbus (talk) 11:50, 12 November 2015 (UTC)

Lady Elliot Island[edit]

Place: Lady Elliot Island
Blurb: At this island the impressive marine fauna and the corals of the Great Barrier Reef is just a dive away (should not exceed ~145 characters)
Article status: Guide (must be guide or above).
Time to feature: Per [2] Sep-Dec are best, but there are no bad months to visit
Nominated by: ϒpsilon (talk) 13:47, 21 November 2015 (UTC)
Comment: When nominating Hyden almost a year ago I really had to toss a coin whether to nominate that one or this one. So I have had my eyes on this one for quite a while. As the line of OtBP candidates is almost a year long I have to nominate Lady Elliott Island now to ensure it will be on the Main Page around this time next year. Most of the article content is written in early 2009 by User:Inas so probably a thing or two is not up to date. Nevertheless the article is probably better updated a month or two before the article is featured rather than now to make sure the article is up to date for the 2016-17 season.

Australia lei lighthouse.jpg
  • Support as the nominator. ϒpsilon (talk) 13:47, 21 November 2015 (UTC)
  • Comment This is a small island with a single resort which seems to almost have a monopoly on eat, sleep and get in for most travellers. AlasdairW (talk) 00:16, 22 November 2015 (UTC)
Is that a problem? It wouldn't be our first OtBP like that - Childs isn't a resort, but it still has only one hotel, one restaurant (describing the convenience store/gas station as such is a stretch), and (effectively) one method of ingress and egress. -- AndreCarrotflower (talk) 00:44, 22 November 2015 (UTC)
My concern is that there is a single company proving flights, accommodation and meals, and it is a remote island. Childs may have only one eat, sleep etc, but there is no sign that they are all the same business, and one could easily go (possibly walk) to a neighbouring community to get something different. To me this seems to have something in common with Disneyland. I am not saying it can't be featured, but we must consider the issue, and the potential for negative feedback. AlasdairW (talk) 01:08, 22 November 2015 (UTC)
I don't think it's much of a problem, and of course we cannot do much about there being just one place for eating and sleeping :) . We just tell the voyager how things are and then its up to them if they'd like to visit or not. ϒpsilon (talk) 10:59, 22 November 2015 (UTC)
  • Very close. The article needs a proper lede, i.e. more than one sentence long. When that's fixed it will have my support. Also, this is a more minor concern, but it would be nice to see it addressed as well: perhaps this article's brevity is by necessity given that this is such an - ahem - off-the-beaten-path place, but are we sure we can't flesh out some of the descriptions on the listings? -- AndreCarrotflower (talk) 00:50, 22 November 2015 (UTC)
It's possible, WP and the official web site seem to have some more info about the place. ϒpsilon (talk) 10:59, 22 November 2015 (UTC)

Nominations for Featured travel topic[edit]

Altitude sickness[edit]

Place: Altitude sickness
Blurb: When traveling to high altitudes, getting enough oxygen into your system can be a matter of life and death. What are the warning signs to look out for? Consult this guide and stay safe up there. (should not exceed ~145 characters)
Article status: Guide (must be guide or above).
Time to feature: Any, but perhaps leave some time between this one and Sunburn and sun protection—they're both similar topics, being about medical issues
Nominated by: AndreCarrotflower (talk) 00:29, 3 January 2015 (UTC)
Comment: We're always looking for new FTT nominees, right? I've had my eye on this one for a while.

Altitude Sickness Warning.jpg

  • Support. The article could use a few more pictures, but otherwise it looks like it's good to go. -- AndreCarrotflower (talk) 00:29, 3 January 2015 (UTC)
  • Support — I agree, some more photos would be great to have. As sunburn is featured in June, I would prefer not to feature this one before maybe Oct or Nov. ϒpsilon (talk) 10:48, 3 January 2015 (UTC)
I have trouble judging this type of article. Could we please have some physicians or other experts weigh in on this article and the Sunburn and sun protection article? Ikan Kekek (talk) 01:12, 4 January 2015 (UTC)
So, now there's at least some more pictures. When nominating Sunburn I asked our Travel Doc to have a look at the article but apparently he doesn't check WV frequently any longer. ϒpsilon (talk) 21:13, 7 January 2015 (UTC)
Is there a doctor (or biochemist, etc.) in the house? Ikan Kekek (talk) 00:19, 8 January 2015 (UTC)
Bump. Anyone? To check and comment on this article and #Sunburn and sun protection above? Any fake doctors, then? I've taken part in a basic first aid course but that was over ten years ago. :P
Personally I don't think it's impossible to feature those articles without a professional looking through them, but it would certainly be useful! ϒpsilon (talk) 18:45, 23 March 2015 (UTC)
I still have no medical degree :-) and I don't know whether User:Nbarth does, either, but he seems to really know what he's talking about and I think his additions to this article have greatly improved the article, so I'm adding my support to featuring it. Ikan Kekek (talk) 05:38, 21 September 2015 (UTC)
I'm not a doctor, but I can summarize (and link to!) medical pages (you can check the references to verify accuracy). Glad it helps, and thanks for the kind words! —Nils von Barth (nbarth) (talk) 05:56, 21 September 2015 (UTC)
Nils, do you support featuring this article on the front page? Ikan Kekek (talk) 12:40, 3 October 2015 (UTC)
Ikan, yes, I support featuring this article on the front page. It’s of significant use to a wide variety of travelers to many destinations, and is of general interest. Plus, it’s now got numerous pictures ;) —Nils von Barth (nbarth) (talk) 14:16, 10 October 2015 (UTC)
Excellent, support always anything that makes a traveller better informed of risks... good! JarrahTree (talk) 09:10, 2 November 2015 (UTC)

Driving in New Zealand[edit]

Place: Driving in New Zealand
Blurb: Before you take to the roads and highways of the "Land of the Long White Cloud", it pays to learn some of the peculiarities of Kiwi driving habits. (should not exceed ~145 characters)
Article status: Guide (must be guide or above).
Time to feature: around Oct, Nov 2015 maybe? Otherwise, I think Oct-Mar
Nominated by: ϒpsilon (talk) 21:01, 20 February 2015 (UTC)
Comment: As discussed in Hyden's nomination above, we might see Auckland as DotM about this time of the year 2016. So why not throw in another New Zealandian article as FTT in the austral spring?

  • Support – The article looks informative to someone who doesn't know anything about driving in New Zealand and it's at Guide status. Though I would appreciate if our Kiwi contributors would have time to take a look at the article to make sure there isn't anything important missing. Also, some more photos would be nice. ϒpsilon (talk) 21:01, 20 February 2015 (UTC)
  • I think three AU/NZ features within six months of each other is a bit too many. On the other hand, 1) Auckland hasn't even been officially nominated yet, 2) it's far more difficult to find qualified FTT candidates than DotMs or OtBPs, and 3) the quality of this article's content (aside from the minor issues you've already pointed out, Ypsi) is beyond reproach. So I suppose I have to support it. -- AndreCarrotflower (talk)
  • Almost I wonder if we should first merge in Buying or renting a vehicle in New Zealand. A few points are missing from the article (some are covered by the other article or New Zealand):
    • That insurance is not compulsory (due to the Accident Compensation Corporation see New Zealand#Stay healthy)
    • Road user charges for diesel cars
    • Parking
    • Ferries between north and South Islands - rental cars are often swapped when taking the ferry
AlasdairW (talk) 23:20, 20 February 2015 (UTC)
User:‎Lcmortensen, User:Nurg? ϒpsilon (talk) 21:02, 1 March 2015 (UTC)
I'd be fine with merging Buying or renting a vehicle in New Zealand into this one, but I'd also be fine leaving it as a separate article (it's long enough). Do as you like. ϒpsilon (talk) 20:57, 30 October 2015 (UTC)

Armenian (Eastern) phrasebook[edit]

Place: Armenian (Eastern) phrasebook
Blurb: Armenians are a people who welcome visitors with open arms - but they're not the world's most proficient English-speakers! What's a tourist to do? Brush up on their unique language and your hosts' hearts will warm all the more. (should not exceed ~145 characters)
Article status: Guide (must be guide or above).
Time to feature: anytime (late 2015 or 2016?)
Nominated by: AndreCarrotflower (talk) 03:37, 12 March 2015 (UTC)
Comment: With Altitude sickness and Driving in New Zealand best held off till after year's end and a lack of other eligible candidates after September, we've currently got several open slots in the FTT column in late 2015. The understanding is that we try to limit ourselves to one phrasebook per year, but since we ran Finnish phrasebook way back in February, surely it's not a huge problem to feature another one in autumn or winter, right?

Smiley face sign.jpg

  • Very, very close. All it needs as far as I can tell are a few pictures; an easy enough fix. -- AndreCarrotflower (talk) 03:37, 12 March 2015 (UTC)
  • Actually I have some bad news. Armenian (Eastern) phrasebook#Money. And the user who wrote most of what's in the phrasebook is long gone. Anyone here who understands Armenian or need we pick another phrasebook? Personally I don't think there'd be a problem with two or even more phrasebooks a year though others my disagree.
Unbelievable that FTT is running out of candidates again! Time to add some more! ϒpsilon (talk) 17:48, 12 March 2015 (UTC)
It may not be as hopeless as you think. The translations in that section are present; it's just the pseudo-pronunciations that need to be added. The article says that Armenian is a very phonetically logical language and it's clearly described how each letter is pronounced, so all we need is for someone to transcribe the Armenian letters into the phonetic syllables. -- AndreCarrotflower (talk) 18:03, 12 March 2015 (UTC)
  • Almost support — I think you're right, let's try to transcribe it and add some pretty pictures and feature it in the autumn or whenever. After all, this is to help visitors and not a professional course in Armenian. ;) ϒpsilon (talk) 18:22, 12 March 2015 (UTC)
Yes Done, as nobody else has fixed it. The transcription with the stress should be correct to at least 50%. ;) Otherwise our readers have to check out our Star status Russkii phrasebook instead. ϒpsilon (talk) 20:03, 20 July 2015 (UTC)
  • Support Very useful guide to Armenia. Eat me, I'm a red bean (talk) 01:27, 20 September 2015 (UTC)
  • Support, and a belated "thank you" to Ypsilon for helping with both of the issues I mentioned in my previous comment. Looks like we've now got three support votes for this nominee, would anyone like to add a fourth? -- AndreCarrotflower (talk) 03:16, 21 November 2015 (UTC)

Diving the Cape Peninsula and False Bay/Partridge Point[edit]

Place: Diving the Cape Peninsula and False Bay/Partridge Point
Blurb: Fish, seals and a wide range of invertebrates can be seen at Partridge Point which also features many unvisited spots. (should not exceed ~145 characters)
Article status: Star (must be guide or above).
Time to feature: Oct-May per Diving the Cape Peninsula and False Bay#Climate, weather and sea conditions
Nominated by: ϒpsilon (talk) 16:19, 6 August 2015 (UTC)
Comment: Yes, we definitely should give one of our nice South African dive guides a month on the Main Page. So how about this Star? --ϒpsilon (talk) 16:19, 6 August 2015 (UTC)

Peters pinnacle cave.jpg
  • Support as the nominator. --ϒpsilon (talk) 16:19, 6 August 2015 (UTC)
  • This is a much better dive article than the previous nominee. Ideally I'd like to see the listings in this section expanded beyond one-liners (and I'm surprised that wasn't brought up when it was nominated as a Star) - but with Peter going inactive for the next little while nothing's probably going to get done about that, and anyway it's not enough to preclude my support. -- AndreCarrotflower (talk) 18:03, 6 August 2015 (UTC)

Ruta de transito[edit]

Place: Ruta de transito
Blurb: Follow in the footsteps of old-time prospectors along what was once the main transcontinental crossing of the Americas, and take in the most magnificent history, culture, and landscapes Southern Nicaragua has to offer. (should not exceed ~145 characters)
Article status: Guide (must be guide or above).
Time to feature: Any, though arguably the rainy season (~April-October) is slightly better as more boats run during that time and nature looks healthier (though the dry season is traditionally the main tourist season)
Nominated by: Hobbitschuster (talk) 21:05, 12 August 2015 (UTC)
Comment: I am quite possibly biased, but everything that can be learned about this route without actually going there again (which I intend to do once time and money align) is currently covered in the article and the only things missing are some wording tweaks that I feel unable to


Anyway, about the article itself: "Understand" is exhaustively detailed; "Prepare" and "Get in" not quite as much so, but satisfactorily complete. "Go", on the other hand, seems too short: judging by the lengths of the text blurbs it seems like each leg of the journey ought to be described in more detail than it is currently. The cities referenced as waymarks, in particular, are not described in any real detail; well and good to provide an internal wikilink, but it's also nice to give a short bit of info and mention prominent points of interest in each. Also, "Go next" should be converted from prose to bullet-point listings.
I'm not quite ready to throw my support behind this feature yet, but it's close, and it doesn't seem like much work would need to be done to fix the issues with the article.
-- AndreCarrotflower (talk) 22:15, 12 August 2015 (UTC)
So in short there needs to be more detail on the cities/places along the way (calling a place like San Juan del Norte a "city" seems to be a stretch to me...) Hobbitschuster (talk) 13:19, 13 August 2015 (UTC)
  • Almost IMO too the Go section should preferably be longer. Also a couple of more photos at the start and end and some less Capital Letters would be good. ϒpsilon (talk) 15:35, 13 August 2015 (UTC)
I edited the first subsection of the go section to include a bit of info on San Juan del Norte; please see whether this is heading in the right direction. As for capital letters.... Well ze Germans like Zem in all of zeir Words which are Substantives ;-). Furthermore I changed some of the markers (from see to go and from do to see) Hobbitschuster (talk) 16:03, 18 August 2015 (UTC)
Hobbitschuster, the new information on San Juan del Norte was exactly what I had in mind. -- AndreCarrotflower (talk) 16:18, 18 August 2015 (UTC)
Weiss ich doch :). And I, in turn, sometimes use capital letters too sparsely. I may as well support the article for the Main Page, though I'll still harvest Commons for a pic or two to add at the top and the bottom of the article. ϒpsilon (talk) 16:50, 18 August 2015 (UTC)
Just an aside, unless you use the Swiss spelling you should write "Weiß" with an "ß"... And as to pictures... I've found commons somewhat lacking on quality images for Nicaragua... Hobbitschuster (talk) 17:05, 18 August 2015 (UTC)
Deutsche Sprache, schwere Sprache. -- AndreCarrotflower (talk) 17:08, 18 August 2015 (UTC)
That you are quite right about ;-) Hobbitschuster (talk) 17:11, 18 August 2015 (UTC)
Was too lazy to investigate what on the keyboard to press to get the "ß" and also forgot about the Special characters tool above the editing window... ϒpsilon (talk) 17:28, 18 August 2015 (UTC)
Kein Probelm; Ich bin halt manchmal ein unbelehrbarer Klugscheißer ;-) Anyway, back to the issue at hand. What do you consider to be still missing before we can in good conscience feature this article on our main page? Hobbitschuster (talk) 21:06, 18 August 2015 (UTC)
I suspected that there would still be a thing or two to add to the relatively long first two legs leg, but as I see it on Google Earth I understand it's just rainforest with very small villages (there seems to be a biological reserve north of the river which I will add as a side trip). So probably it's OK to feature the article as it is. ϒpsilon (talk) 09:03, 19 August 2015 (UTC)
There are rumors that "somewhere there" there might be precolumbian remains or even pyramids (though I doubt pyramids, I wouldn't be surprised if major things still harken discovery in the jungle) and yes the Indio-Maiz is the second largest by surface area (after Bosawas) in Nicaragua and one of the least visited. It is fairly accessible by boat where it is close to the river, but other than that it can get quite remote pretty fast. I once went to the outskirts of said reserve, accessing it from El Castillo - guide highly recommended Hobbitschuster (talk) 13:34, 19 August 2015 (UTC)

The blurb[edit]

As this article is now at (or close to) the level needed for it be featured on our main page, we might wish to hammer out a better blurb. I think it should convey

  1. a sense of adventure
  2. The 19th century history of the route
  3. the stunning nature along the way
  4. possibly the remoteness of big chunks of it

- And all this of course in the size of a text message. My attempt at a blurb was done with little effort in a couple of seconds and can obviously be improved upon... Thoughts? Hobbitschuster (talk) 13:43, 19 August 2015 (UTC)

I'll take a crack at it sometime over the next few days. It shouldn't be too difficult, especially with the pointers you shared above. -- AndreCarrotflower (talk) 16:31, 19 August 2015 (UTC)
Thanks. Hobbitschuster (talk) 21:35, 19 August 2015 (UTC)
So.... It's in no way urgent, but are there any good ideas for a blurb already? Otherwise I might have to give it a try, but I fear I am bad at short concise writing (a disease common to those who share my native tongue) Hobbitschuster (talk) 22:23, 6 September 2015 (UTC)
Hobbitschuster, I just wrote a new blurb - what do you think? -- AndreCarrotflower (talk) 13:04, 22 September 2015 (UTC)
Sounds good, thank you. Hobbitschuster (talk) 21:28, 22 September 2015 (UTC)


I am a bit confused. Is there consensus to feature this itinerary at some point (pending a better blurb)? If so, we may get into the discussion as to scheduling. If not, it should probably be slushed... But the discussion seems to just have... Stopped, I guess... Hobbitschuster (talk) 15:20, 19 September 2015 (UTC)

Normally four "supports" is needed, but in practice if nobody actively opposes featuring the article, it's regarded as suitable for the Main page. RdT has my support vote and as you nominated the article, yours. Surprisingly, Ikan hasn't commented on this one.
Articles are mostly put into the schedule on a first-come-first-served basis, of course taking into account the month for when it is going to be scheduled. The table above should show just the articles for the next six months and are updated the 21st each month when the FTT goes live (ie. the day after tomorrow the March 2016 articles will appear). Also, they are not entirely frozen, once put in the table but can be moved around if needed.
As you recommended Ruta de Transito for April or onwards, it won't appear in the table yet, but it is there. ϒpsilon (talk) 15:48, 19 September 2015 (UTC)
Thanks for clearing that up Hobbitschuster (talk) 16:19, 19 September 2015 (UTC)
I'd like to support this, because it's a very well-written and interesting article. But the unfortunate thing is that there are things that you are not sure of, like precisely how to get from Altagracia to Moyogalpa, when you have to take your rented horse or motorcycle one way, or whether you really could take a rented horse on the ferry from Moyogalpa to San Jorge. If only someone had tried these things and could comment. In a way, despite all the information that is in the article, it's more nearly "Usable for an adventurous person" than fully a Guide, as people are left a bit to their own devices on some stretches of this itinerary. This makes me torn on whether to actually support featuring it right now. Ikan Kekek (talk) 05:57, 21 September 2015 (UTC)
The problem is that of all regular WV editors, I am the only one (to my knowledge) who has actually visited any of the stops on this itinerary. And I have never been on a horse in my live. So I do know that renting horses is a thing that you can do in Nicaragua. I also know that people of any gender and (almost) any social background regularly ride horses as a means of transport. And I also know that horses are common on Ometepe. As it is an island, the way they have gotten there has been drawn from inference. Taking the bus from Moyogalpa to Altagracia (or the other way round) is the definition of simple. Just sit down on your seat (hourly departures) and have enough small change in Corodbas ready. As for how to get there on horseback, I quite frankly have no first hand experience. And as I know about Nicaragua, it is really hard to do Internet research. However, I think the "horse and steamer" part is a nice gimmick but not the main part of this itinerary. The original route really was focused on getting to some point on the Nicaraguan Pacific as fast as possible and as such did not care about the landscape. The itinerary I created is based mostly on what can be done today with regularly scheduled transport. If you buy a horse on Ometepe, you would probably have to spend at least a hundred (or a couple hundred, I really don't know) Dollars, but the question of whether you can return a rented horse at some other point (I guess not) would not arise. As for motorcycles (again, me having no driver's license of any kind I don't know) it is quite likely that there is a way to return it in another place then you rented it... I hope this comment is helpful, though Hobbitschuster (talk) 23:35, 21 September 2015 (UTC)

Nuclear tourism[edit]

Place: Nuclear tourism
Blurb: Atomic science has left all sorts of landmarks around the world; impressive, tragic, fascinating and ones that still radiate. (should not exceed ~145 characters)
Article status: Guide (must be guide or above).
Time to feature: April 2016 for the 30th anniversary of the Chernobyl disaster
Nominated by: ϒpsilon (talk) 18:41, 29 August 2015 (UTC)
Comment: Thanks to Dana and other contributors for this fine article. Nuclear tourism is something new for most of our readers, I think, and thus I really look forward to having this one on the Main Page. Perhaps the article would need to be streamlined a little bit, but content-wise I'm confident everything is there. So, what do you say?

Trinity site, New Mexico.jpg

  • Support as the nominator. --ϒpsilon (talk) 18:41, 29 August 2015 (UTC)
  • Support. This is a lot more extensive than it was the last time I read through it. I did a bit of copy editing, and it probably could use more, but it's pretty impressive and definitely an interesting and unusual travel topic. Ikan Kekek (talk) 19:08, 29 August 2015 (UTC)
  • Support. Thanks for the nomination, ϒpsilon, and all those who contributed lately to upgrade Nuclear tourism to guide status. Perfect timing for the anniversary. Until then we can do some more polishing and I have a couple more listings to add. Danapit (talk) 16:39, 30 August 2015 (UTC)
  • After the talk page discussion about it went dormant, I was wondering whether we were still planning on nominating this article for FTT. I'd also like to take this opportunity to commend Yvwv and Hobbitschuster for all the hard work they've done lately in the realm of new travel topic articles, including this one. If this momentum keeps up, we might be well on our way to a solution to the perennial paucity of new FTT candidates.
As to the article itself, it looks almost flawless, but I'd like to see more in the way of description for the Crimean Atomic Energy Station, as well as one-liner blurbs under the Related topics, if possible. However, those issues are far too minor to get in the way of my support vote.
-- AndreCarrotflower (talk) 19:26, 30 August 2015 (UTC)
Why, thanks for the compliment. And as for the topic at hand.... Well an anniversary (either of a certain nuclear incident or of one of the major advances of the technology) is as good a date to feature as any. However, some may perceive it as cynicism to "celebrate" the anniversary of - say - the Chernobyl disaster thusly. While I don't share these concerns, we need to be aware of that. Hobbitschuster (talk) 20:43, 30 August 2015 (UTC)
It would be a commemoration, just like the 70th anniversary of D-Day, not a celebration. I don't see a likelihood of anyone objecting, as long as the blurb is sensitive, as I'm sure it will be. Ikan Kekek (talk) 09:48, 23 September 2015 (UTC)


Place: Money
Blurb: No matter where you go and for how long, you're likely to need something to pay with. Check out our guide to learn of their advantages and drawbacks. (should not exceed ~145 characters)
Article status: Guide (must be guide or above).
Time to feature: Anytime
Nominated by: ϒpsilon (talk) 18:46, 7 September 2015 (UTC)
Comment: One of our most extensive travel topics that we haven't featured yet!

ATM Masalli.jpg

  • Support ϒpsilon (talk) 18:46, 7 September 2015 (UTC)
  • Support. Looks good! -- AndreCarrotflower (talk) 12:59, 22 September 2015 (UTC)
  • Support Might be good to have a couple of sentences stating the obvious - different countries use different currencies and rates vary etc - at the start for first time travellers. It probably should have a caution "Check with your bank for definitive advice", as I wonder whether there are some statements that don't apply to cards issued by all banks in all countries. AlasdairW (talk) 22:01, 22 September 2015 (UTC)

Driving in the UK[edit]

Place: Driving in the UK
Blurb: Left-hand traffic, imperial units, unfamiliar street markings and congestion fees; British traffic has some surprises for everyone. (should not exceed ~145 characters)
Article status: Guide (must be guide or above).
Time to feature: Anytime? Or just the warmer half of the year? And yes, there should perhaps be a month or two between this one and London/Hampstead.
Nominated by: ϒpsilon (talk) 09:41, 24 October 2015 (UTC)
Comment: I illustrated this one a while back, by then it already was a guide, I believe everything relevant about driving in the UK is in the article, and otherwise we can ask some of our UK contributors to help out. So why not have this one as FTT?

Traffic on Romney Road in Greenwich, London.jpg
  • Support — Yup, here's Ypsi hogging yet another featured article slot [evil laughter].ϒpsilon (talk) 09:41, 24 October 2015 (UTC)
  • Support, but wait until 2017. Too many UK articles, and too many "Driving in..." travel topics, in too short a span of time. -- AndreCarrotflower (talk) 14:47, 25 October 2015 (UTC)

Earthquake safety[edit]

Place: Earthquake safety
Blurb: How would you act if an earthquake strikes? Find out how to prepare for it and what to do afterwards. (should not exceed ~145 characters)
Article status: Guide (must be guide or above).
Time to feature: Any
Nominated by: ϒpsilon (talk) 16:37, 30 October 2015 (UTC)
Comment: Everything important should be here, per the talk page. If anyone living in an earthquake-affected part of the world has anything to add, or anything obviously erroneous to remove feel very free to do so!

Rescue workers during recovery efforts - Van Earthquake 2011.jpg
  • Support as the nominator. ϒpsilon (talk) 16:37, 30 October 2015 (UTC)
  • Support It looks a reasonable article. The last paragraph of Tsunamis may be too strongly "don't climb a tree" as this New Zealand page does suggest doing so if you can't escape. It needs a "See also" before it goes on the main page. I am also wondering about having a "See" section which could a) list museums that have good explanations, simulations etc b) list past earthquake sites where visitors are welcome, and there maybe damage repair etc to be seen (see Earthquake tourism in Christchurch. AlasdairW (talk) 23:43, 30 October 2015 (UTC)
  • Support, I guess, though the article seems pretty short. Could it perhaps be expanded a bit? -- AndreCarrotflower (talk) 15:38, 12 November 2015 (UTC)

The blurb[edit]

Is it just me or did you violate the "no would after if" rule? Could an English native speaker please have a look? I am not sure either, but if and when this is featured, we don't want an error in the blurb... Hobbitschuster (talk) 06:29, 31 October 2015 (UTC)

Yes, I agree. I just tweaked it. It doesn't promote our guide so much anymore, but it is more grammatically correct. Anyone should please feel free to tweak it further. Ikan Kekek (talk) 06:39, 31 October 2015 (UTC)

Copenhagen Airport[edit]

Place: Copenhagen Airport
Blurb: Scandinavia’s major air hub is a calm and pleasant experience complete with Danish design. (should not exceed ~145 characters)
Article status: Guide (must be guide or above).
Time to feature: Any
Nominated by: ϒpsilon (talk) 16:37, 30 October 2015 (UTC)
Comment: One of our better airport articles. A large thank you to User:Kalaha for starting up the CPH article and also writing much of the content.

Copenhagen Airport Mai 2009 PD 099.JPG

  • Support as the nominator. ϒpsilon (talk) 16:37, 30 October 2015 (UTC)
  • Almost - The article looks nice and has (almost) all the things we would want in an airport article, but there are still some quirks and a few things that I would want a bit more detail about. E.g. the expansion plans: When were they announced and how serious are they? If they are put to action what will the effect on voyagers be? Hobbitschuster (talk) 06:37, 31 October 2015 (UTC)
  • Very close. Hobbitschuster is right that more could be said about the expansion plans, but that alone wouldn't be enough to preclude my support. A bigger issue is the need for copyediting (phrases like "In terminal 3, the terminus of Copenhagen Metro line M2 is located" make it pretty obvious that the article could do with some attention from a native English speaker). That being said, the information itself seems very complete and it shouldn't be too difficult to get CPH up to a featureable state. -- AndreCarrotflower (talk) 15:37, 12 November 2015 (UTC)