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If you have any queries, comments or concerns, feel free to leave me a message, just take note of a few things:
  • Please be civil and polite
  • I will usually respond on this page, rather than your own, so please add this page to your watchlist
  • Sometimes I forget to get back to people; just nudge me if I don't respond
  • Please try and keep discussions about particular pages and policies on their respective talk pages, unless it affects me directly or personally

Welcome and thanks![edit]

Hi, James. It looks like no-one gave you an official welcome yet. So, welcome and thanks for the great work you're putting up! And here are some useful links for you, in case you haven't already checked them out:

First, there is the Project:Manual of style, which has links to all kinds of other useful pages.

Secondly, there is the Project:Travellers' Pub, where I would like to buy you a virtual drink of your choice for all your efforts. But seriously, that's where you can discuss anything that goes beyond what is relevant to - or getting response on - a talk page for a particular article.

If you have any questions, please feel free to ask them here or in the pub, but for now, it looks like you've jumped in with both feet and done a lot of good already in a short time. I hope you keep it up.

All the best,

(WT-en) Ikan Kekek 04:44, 14 May 2012 (EDT)


Based on your (WT-en) new page you might be interested in Project:World Heritage Expedition. -- (WT-en) Ryan • (talk) • 00:28, 29 May 2012 (EDT)

Dhaka map[edit]

Wow, sorry to be so slow in responding! I would be more than happy to take a look at your map, and should have some time this coming week. I will let you know when I'm ready ;) --(WT-en) Peter Talk 20:26, 2 June 2012 (EDT)


James its a bit rich you guys deleting my edits when none of you apparently have travelled to Jerusalem, nor are you an experienced traveller. A city is what it is, lets not try to paint it through rose lense glasses. BTW I have been to both Togo and Kyrgyzstan. —The preceding comment was added by (WT-en) Rosenthalm‎ (talkcontribs)

Hi James,

I have travelled to Jerusalem 3 times. I have a particular interest in travelling Islamic countries and have covered almost all of central asia, Malaysia, Indonesia, Qatar, Jordan. Whilst travelling in Jerusalem last week I noticed a significant increase in tension and segregation. The only place that I have every witnessed greater tension and segregation is in Osh (Kygyzstan, on the Uzbek border), which was a few months after riots and fighting between the Kygrgs and Uzbeks resulted in the city being burned down. Whilst walking in the old city, the Islamic section was far from welcoming, and in fact I was encouraged on several occassions to walk elsewhere. Whilst my experience can be considered an individual circumstance - I would suspect that this is common but not written.

Marc —The preceding comment was added by (WT-en) Rosenthalm‎ (talkcontribs)

New main page[edit]

Hi James, I've just started a discussion concerning a new main page layout. You expressed interest in this in the Travellers' Pub, and I think that it's a wise thing for us to do. Let's talk more over there. Tsandell (talk) 15:40, 14 September 2012 (CEST)


Hi James, thank you for moving. Was my first policy starter in six years;-) Jc8136 (talk) 14:56, 18 September 2012 (CEST)


Hello James. I was wondering why few articles such as Cambodia which you just edited, has such a long body of the text in the history section. --Saqib (talk) 11:56, 1 October 2012 (CEST)

Help needed at Frank's "Green Zone"[edit]

I'm late for my clinic appointment and urgently need your help here:

please, James!

Please would you edit the box at the top so that all of our future discussions on this topic appear outwith the light blue box- rahhter htnan insideit? --W. Franke-mailtalk 15:07, 1 October 2012 (CEST)

There you go. :) JamesA >talk 15:16, 1 October 2012 (CEST)
You're a star, James!
It would have taken me a month of Sundays to work out that they each need a hard carriage return or is that a Wikimedia/HTML interaction?
By the way, do you know the programmer Mark Kinchin? He's alos from Melbourne? --W. Franke-mailtalk 15:24, 1 October 2012 (CEST)
Yes, as far as I'm aware, the |} needs a separate line. Glad I couple help! And no, sorry, never heard of him. I'm not that involved in the programmer community. JamesA >talk 15:31, 1 October 2012 (CEST)

TOC formatting[edit]

Hi James,

I didn't want to derail the conversation on the VfD page any further, but I did want to expand on my explanation of the TOC repositioning to you. As it stands, the way the TOC is formatted does mess with the page layout in unwanted ways, on either side - especially when the list is expanded out some. Using that UNESCO list page is a good example: with the TOC on the right, opening up its Africa tree ends up pushing the "M'Zab Valley, Algeria" photo down the list as far as Cape Verde's text, depending on your browser's width. Using the left-alignment with manual __TOC__ placement at the very top looks good on my display when you first load the page, but then opening up Africa creates the same old problem where the Algeria header is separated from its text by a screenful of white space. The Wikipedia style that I mentioned doesn't wrap text around the TOC at all, so it doesn't interfere with the formatting of other sections - but then there's always a TOC-height block of white space between the first and second section of the page. None of these are perfect options....

If a page needs it, the keyword __NOTOC__ anywhere will suppress the TOC completely. -- D. Guillaume (talk) 07:15, 2 October 2012 (CEST)

Hey, thanks for your message, Dguillaume. I replied back at the VfD section as well. As I said there, I don't see keeping the photo and country name together as necessary. The image is just something to spark interest. If someone opens the TOC, it's likely they know what country they're looking for. But it's definitely important to have a TOC on a page like that. JamesA >talk 11:09, 2 October 2012 (CEST)


Hi James. I need a map of location for the subject article. I have a base images which can be used to draw a new map, but its copyrighted and not available online. If you can send me an e-mail please so I will reply you back with the base map image. Previously, I requested Globe-trotter but he seems busy perhaps with other things. Thank you. --Saqib (talk) 15:03, 3 October 2012 (CEST)

Thank you James. --Saqib (talk) 18:10, 4 October 2012 (CEST)
No problem. Please let me know if you need any changes made to it, and I can do so. Some of the things I just made my own judgement about, but everything can be easily modified. Also, like discussed on the Pub, the map doesn't want to display in the article. It might take a few days. JamesA >talk 18:12, 4 October 2012 (CEST)
Maps looks fine. No changed need as of now. Yes, will wait to see appearing on the article. --Saqib (talk) 18:16, 4 October 2012 (CEST)
Thanks for copy editing James. --Saqib (talk) 15:34, 5 October 2012 (CEST)
No probs. JamesA >talk 15:44, 5 October 2012 (CEST)

Redirecting verified account[edit]

Do you just want a soft redirect, or would you like me to move the page to this one (and thus deleting your newly re-created page)? The second option keeps the history. I can also move the talk page, but that would require manual re-integration of your new talk page. --Peter Talk 14:17, 5 October 2012 (CEST)

Just a soft redirect, please. "Please see User:JamesA." will do. Thanks, JamesA >talk 14:51, 5 October 2012 (CEST)

Better English[edit]

Thank you for making my notice better. Although I like to think I speak English well, I am conscious that in Singapore many of our notices are not very friendly. I do not mean to sound rude. -- (WV-en) Alice 13:07, 22 October 2012 (CEST)

No problem. JamesA >talk 14:04, 22 October 2012 (CEST)


Thanks for the welcome! Looking forward to much editing and collaboration on WikiVoyage 2.0! Kaldari (talk) 08:03, 12 November 2012 (UTC)

Re. Welcome[edit]

Thanks James, still learning the formatting and such, look forward to working on this project and seeing where I can help. - Theornamentalist (talk) 04:00, 14 November 2012 (UTC)

Hey James,
Sorry to bother you. I would like to move the page Union City to Union City (California) in order to disambiguate it with Union City (New Jersey). - Theornamentalist (talk) 00:26, 15 November 2012 (UTC)

Spanish project[edit]

I would like put forward Spanish project, but could not link to wikipedia, neither Spanish nor other languages like as English, otherwise interwiki links "wikipedias" --Penarc (talk) 13:43, 15 November 2012 (UTC)


Hello! I've been making some edits and ran into a few questions I didn't find answers to. Hoping you could help.

  1. If a page has attractions, shops, hotels, etc. that are listed but not in the <see> template, should I put the info into a template format?
  2. From my understanding the size of a location to have an article needs a place to sleep. So an article like Sun River may be complete?
  3. And, adding a location that is small is okay? As long as it has a place to sleep and something to do/see?

Thanks for the help! —The preceding comment was added by Tbennert (talkcontribs)

Sorry for the delay[edit]

Hallo JamesA, Sorry for the waiting, there are days and weeks in which my life outside the wiki unexpectedly asks much more time than expected, which causes me to have the wikis on a hold until there is again time for it. That happened around the 14th of this month. When I looked again I noticed you changed all the image-formats in the template yourself. I hope you aren't mad about it, if I promise something, I always do the thing I promised, but with my private life demanding time I have no control on when exactly I start with something, but always make sure I complete it. If there is anything else I can help with, I am happy to do. After fixing many files of flags and road signs earlier on several Wikivoyages, I started some days ago with fixing the wst: shared: and Wikipedia: links on the Dutch Wikivoyage. I think I now start with other language versions that aren't that big. Greetings - Romaine (talk) 00:18, 26 November 2012 (UTC)

PS: I wrote here: Wikivoyage:Travellers'_pub#Script_policy that the script policy of this project is much outdated. Romaine (talk) 16:14, 27 November 2012 (UTC)

Administrator nomination[edit]

While I realize you only asked for rollback, I think you'd do well with the full suite of admin tools. I've nominated you for the role. Please let us know if you accept the nomination. LtPowers (talk) 15:40, 30 January 2013 (UTC)

Thanks a lot. I hope I comply in the task --Penarc (talk) 00:10, 2 February 2013 (UTC)

Main page[edit]

Original Barnstar Hires.png The Original Barnstar
You have figured out how to remove all the white spacing on the main page. Amazing work. We should be nearly ready to release it to the world! Travel Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 02:11, 4 February 2013 (UTC)


no im bureaucrat pls Ajraddatz (talk) 04:01, 9 February 2013 (UTC)


Hi JamesA I replied on my talk page. Curtaintoad (curtain or toad) 05:55, 9 February 2013 (UTC)

Shiny buttons[edit]

Welcome to the shiny buttons club. See Wikivoyage:Administrator's handbook for the usage instructions. -- Ryan • (talk) • 17:04, 15 February 2013 (UTC)

My heartiest congratulations! Very well deserved, James! -- Alice 19:13, 15 February 2013 (UTC)
Belated congratulations James. --Saqib (talk) 19:09, 4 March 2013 (UTC)

Edit tools modifications[edit]

LtPowers seems to be the one who knows how to do this, James: Wikivoyage:Travellers'_pub#Add_non-breaking_space_to_edittools -- Alice 05:55, 17 February 2013 (UTC)

Tourist Office[edit]

Hi! I've been having another look at the Tourist Office topic in the Travellers' Pub and came up with this. I don't suppose you have any thoughts as to how we could improve it and get people interested in it again? --Nicholasjf21 (talk) 09:43, 20 February 2013 (UTC)

WOT Verification[edit]

This is to verify that I am an administrator on the English Wikivoyage under this account (User:JamesA) per [1]. I am also the owner of the WOT account "James.A" [2] which is seeking to claim the Wikivoyage site on behalf of the community per [3]. Thanks in advance. JamesA >talk 00:41, 26 February 2013 (UTC)

I confirm that User:JamesA is indeed empowered by community consensus here to claim and operate our Web of Trust account. -- Alice 02:59, 26 February 2013 (UTC)


Hi! Just so you know, users like User:Ksjohf28 are actually spambots and can be blocked indefinitely on sight. We usually report these to the stewards too, so that they can lock the account globally and do a CheckUser to globally block the IPs as well. I've already done that for this one (so extending the block to indefinite would be moot), but next time you can indefblock and then post on m:SRG. --Rschen7754 11:42, 27 February 2013 (UTC)

embarassed - thanks to you both - will look more carefully at contents... ! sats (talk) 11:47, 27 February 2013 (UTC)
Went ahead and extended to indef since the stewards are slow at locking tonight - hope this isn't a problem. --Rschen7754 11:56, 27 February 2013 (UTC)
Thanks for fixing that up! I wasn't actually completely sure that he was a spambot, and was feeling a little too tired to bother working out. I assumed once a spambot is unable to edit for a few days, it would simply give up anyway. But maybe that isn't the case. Thanks again, JamesA >talk 12:12, 27 February 2013 (UTC)
That's probably true, but better to not take a chance. Global locking by the stewards prevents it from going to other wikis as well and doing the same thing, too. --Rschen7754 08:30, 28 February 2013 (UTC)

Help needed at South_Island[edit]

We're just completing a major re-organisation and it would be a bit neater if we could get the clickable geo location globe to be re-located to the far right of the new horizontal nav-box - but I don't know how to do that for this experimental template, James: South Island/Template. Thanks in advance for any assistance you can provide... -- Alice 23:19, 3 March 2013 (UTC)

I'd be happy to help, but did you obtain consensus to use that template? It looks all nice and fancy, and is also quite useful, but such a major change to article layout must be discussed. We need consistency across all of our travel guides. We also need to consider mobile devices and PDF/printed guides. JamesA >talk 12:42, 4 March 2013 (UTC)
In the normal English meaning of the word, No. In the way that long term users like Globe-trotter and Peter Fitzgerald use it here on Wikivoyage, Yes.
You may have read the lengthy discussion at Talk:South_Island#Regions and folks reading that page have had more than 6 weeks to approve the mock-up that I introduced at User:Alice/Kitchen/Marlborough-Kaikoura-with-new-style-ToC with this edit: As you will see, there was a very extensive discussion of regions on that discussion page, but I will entirely understand if you only feel able to introduce a geo-location globe and link on the experimental template page located at User:Alice/Kitchen/Marlborough-Kaikoura-with-new-style-ToC, James. -- Alice 19:04, 4 March 2013 (UTC)


Thanks for your welcome messages. I'm working on the Indonesian Wikivoyage that is still in the incubator. RaymondSutanto (talk) 10:16, 16 March 2013 (UTC)

Last file[edit]

Hi. If you want to kill the last file too you could click this diff. The problem is a redirect on Commons :-) --MGA73 (talk) 13:21, 16 March 2013 (UTC)

Thanks! :) I was a little confused about that one. Thanks for all the work you're doing, by the way. JamesA >talk 13:29, 16 March 2013 (UTC)


Hi James - the arrow was a decision on my part, glad you like it. The arrow (and some other elements) is very much based on the old colour scheme so I wanted to make something that fit with the new logo's colours to change it up a bit. And, to be honest, I'm a bit tired of looking at all that blue! But, um, yeah, I've totally forgotten to raise it on the expedition page to see what others think/get approvals. Thanks for reminding me!

I'm definitely supportive of making some small changes to our map templates so they look a little different. -Shaundd (talk) 14:13, 17 March 2013 (UTC)

I've kind of started the discussion at Wikivoyage_talk:Regions_map_Expedition#North_Arrow_variation, although didn't lay out anything concrete other than the north arrow. I'm a bit distracted right now with ToC templates, but feel free to jump in and propose some changes in the meantime.
Re variations on the maps, I think some of it is our standards have evolved over time (and we don't like to go back and update old maps that much) and another big part is personal preferences amongst map makers. I'm certainly guilty of the latter, I'm not a fan of the blue on blue in the title box so I tend to use blue on a light brown, which I prefer. I think each of us tends to prefer certain region colour palettes over others, so that's another variation. And sometimes it depends on the map itself -- the number of regions and the amount of detail (lots of rivers vs no rivers, lots of roads vs no roads, railroads, number of cities displayed, etc.) all impact the colour and style of individual elements. I've found that sometimes I have to deviate from standards to improve readability. Anyway, it would be good to hear your thoughts on what to standarize and hear what others think. Cheers -Shaundd (talk) 04:40, 19 March 2013 (UTC)


Hi there!

Do you think we're now in a position perhaps where we could implement the new 'barncompasses'? I'm more than happy to help out in any way I can.

Thanks! --Nick (talk) 10:45, 26 March 2013 (UTC)

Hey Nick. I think discussion has subsided and we can move towards implementation. It's not a really contentious issue, so people shouldn't make a big deal out of it. I'd love to help make some variations, but am quite busy at the moment and can only lend limited support. My editing here has been fairly non-existent lately. JamesA >talk 12:36, 26 March 2013 (UTC)

Tourism Bureau Expedition[edit]

You've done a fantastic job with the expedition page - thanks very much for taking a look at it! Sorry if I was a bit slow on IRC: it's very new to me and at 2 in the morning I can be a bit slow! Would it be worth me contacting Bolton soon? --Nick (talk) 08:40, 31 March 2013 (UTC)

I've now emailed Bolton, but I wouldn't expect a reply for a couple of days as it's Easter. On an unrelated note, do we now have a Twitter account as well as the Facebook one? --Nick (talk) 12:02, 31 March 2013 (UTC)
Thanks, please help improve the page further if you have any ideas. I'm a little stumped on how to make it better. And you were fine on IRC! Let me know what Bolton says. I will be recontacting Victoria (state) in the coming days, as they had been very enthusiastic but that was back in October last year when things were a little murky in the travel wiki world. About Twitter, no, we haven't sorted that out yet. Take a look at WV:Social media to see what the status of things is. It makes it complicated that the German Wikivoyage has already taken the @wikivoyage username: JamesA >talk 12:09, 31 March 2013 (UTC)


Thanks for the welcome. -Milesandkilometrestogo (talk) 15:20, 10 April 2013 (UTC)

Tourism Bureau Response[edit]

Hi! I've just received a response from Manchester, saying that they're happy to help and asking what we'd like them to do. They also asked for the page's number of views, which I think I can find here: [4]. Any ideas as to what I should say? --Nick (talk) 09:47, 11 April 2013 (UTC)


Thanks for deleting the Template:Usertalkpage. Curtaintoad (user · talk · contribs) 04:55, 12 April 2013 (UTC)

No problem! Please let me know if you need anything else. JamesA >talk 04:56, 12 April 2013 (UTC)
Yes. Also the template was moved to Template:Talk page, so the template should still be in use. Curtaintoad (user · talk · contribs) 05:02, 12 April 2013 (UTC)


Hi James, I added my name to support the script nomination so I guess we're good to go. Thanks for the help. And those progress bars look pretty nifty. -Shaundd (talk) 07:43, 14 April 2013 (UTC)

Singapore nomination[edit]

Hey there, I just thought I'd ask you about that nomination to demote Singapore. I changed my vote from demotion to keeping the star in light of all the amazing work that's been done on that article. Since you're the one who started that nomination, I thought I'd poke you and ask what your thoughts on it are now. :) PerryPlanet (talk) 15:28, 21 April 2013 (UTC)

Looks like I missed out the de-denomination party! It's been fun looking up some places I haven't been to (and I really should visit). Although I do note that your initial complaints about the (outdated or lack of) maps haven't been totally reversed, which would hopefully be corrected soon enough. -- torty3 (talk) 00:43, 2 May 2013 (UTC)

Toolbar buttons[edit]

Hi James. Don't know if you saw my response at WV talk:Listings, but I wondered if you know where the edit toolbar above the edit window can be edited? I would like to play around with this over on pt:. We are in the process of deprecating the xml listing in favor of mediawiki templates we can use in portuguese, and I'd really like to find a way to make some kind of template insertion tool that doesn't occupy 7 lines of blue text on the edit page... Any help would be greatly appreciated.. Texugo (talk) 15:46, 13 May 2013 (UTC)

Hi Texugo. Sorry I haven't had a go at the toolbar listing buttons yet; I should be able to test it on the weekend. Or if you wanted to try yourself, you best start at mw:Extension:WikiEditor/Toolbar customization. Beware that the documentation is incomplete, confusing and often incorrect. The talk page may be more enlightening, but don't bother asking for help; no one knows how it works. Good luck! JamesA >talk 12:10, 14 May 2013 (UTC)
Oh, and you might want to check the limited success I had when experimenting at User:JamesA/common.js. I did manage to force some new menus and options to appear, but I never got the actual buttons working (for currency symbols, that is). JamesA >talk 12:39, 14 May 2013 (UTC)
Thanks James. I hadn't seen your response but I did find that toolbar customization page and had a go with mixed but at least functional results. I just posted about it here. Please have a look, try out my common.js file, and let me know what you think. Thanks! Texugo (talk) 11:33, 15 May 2013 (UTC)
Hey, I notice you are playing with the code for removing the reference button. Notice that if you leave "section" and "group" but remove the "tool" parameter, it will remove the whole insert section, which leads me to believe that it is the tool name we are getting wrong... Texugo (talk) 12:11, 15 May 2013 (UTC)
Hmm, interesting. We may be getting somewhere. What browser do you run? You can learn a lot by right-clicking on one of the toolbar buttons and clicking "Inspect element" (in Chrome at least), which brings up various source codes and button names. The Reference button displays this:
JamesA >talk 12:15, 15 May 2013 (UTC)
I'm starting to suspect that the reason "Search and Replace" can be removed is because it has its own 'search' group all to itself. While "Reference" is stuck in the 'insert' group with various other buttons, which may be causing the problem. Maybe try to remove the bold and italic buttons at the same time? Did you test removing the button while not introducing new listings buttons? JamesA >talk 12:23, 15 May 2013 (UTC)
I did try removing the button without introducing new buttons, with the same results. Nice trick about inspecting the element. I use Chrome too and didn't know about that. Anyway, actually I didn't have any success removing the Search and Replace button either (that's the example from the toolbar customization page). I could remove the bold and italic buttons at the same time by removing the whole group but didn't try listing the individual buttons to be removed.Texugo (talk) 12:31, 15 May 2013 (UTC)

Adding Budget Facilities[edit]

James, there are three completely different business up and down borough high street. Hardly spamming, just following the guidelines? I'd also like to add the properties in Shepherd's Bush, Camden, Greenwich in the same way a normal hotel chain would do so? Travelempire (talk)

Thanks for the link and the warning. Travelempire (talk)


Hey James, I wanted to give you a heads up that we don't accept files with the non-commercial clause locally too, per Wikivoyage:Copyleft (I think this may be less clear following my latest revisions to that article). The exemption doctrine only allows us to include pictures of non-free content, not non-free pictures—our licensing requirements remain identical to Commons'. So the Qatari banners will need to go :( --Peter Talk 16:42, 17 June 2013 (UTC)

Thanks from Dhaka[edit]

Hi James! This is my first attempt to edit wikivoyage:) And I am so glad that you are working hard to get articles about Bangladesh & Dhaka along with other good stuffs. My gratitude to you for that. I get very little time to edit wiki projects because most of my volunteer time is consumed by my offline & FDC activities. But I do want to contribute here as well & honestly your passion for creating articles about Bangladesh made me come here. I was born & brought up in Dhaka & so know quite a lot about this place. So, I will try to help you in those articles about Dhaka & Bangladesh. Take care. --Ali Haidar Khan (talk) 18:57, 20 June 2013 (UTC)

Lalibela banner[edit]

Lovely pic you found for the banner, James.

Thanks! -- Alice 15:03, 22 June 2013 (UTC)

Image formatting[edit]

Where can I find this image policy that forbids editors from formatting images in a way that allows registered users to see thumbnails displayed at the preferences they have set, please?

(For this edit your edit summary was: "standard image formatting per current policy")

You're still welcome to pop round and have that cuppa! -- 10:26, 27 June 2013 (UTC)

This Wikivoyage-namespace page describes how an image should be added to an article. I hope that is of assistance. James Atalk 10:31, 27 June 2013 (UTC)
Skipping over the narrowly pedantic point that it isn't actually a policy page, I still don't understand why User:Peterfitzgerald (and presumably yourself) should want to forbid editors from formatting images in a way that allows registered users to see thumbnails displayed at the preferences they have set:
Is this some secret thing to do with the missing User:Frank? If it's a secret thing I can provide you with an e-mail address so I don't continue to tread on bruised toes, but right now I'm baffled! -- 10:45, 27 June 2013 (UTC)
Just because it doesn't have the word "policy" stamped on, doesn't mean it can be completely overlooked. Such pages are not just written on a whim, but decided by consensus as well. I am open to displaying images in such a way, but as far as I'm aware, there is no current proposal to do so. If you want to display images in such a way, propose it somewhere and get consensus, like everyone else. I can't find any contributions here for "User:Frank", so I have no idea what you are baffled about. James Atalk 10:51, 27 June 2013 (UTC)

Somaliland flag[edit]

While I can sympathise with your (assumed) reasoning, don't you think this positioning in the banner forces the flag to be a little too small for any but the very simplest flags, James? --W. Franke-mailtalk 22:29, 30 June 2013 (UTC)

Yup, but we're trying to compromise as there are some users who'd rather the flag be abolished completely, and I think that's counterintuitive. I really don't think it's a disaster to include it in the quickbar, but apparently every tiny bit of space makes the difference. James Atalk 07:50, 1 July 2013 (UTC)
Ahhhh, that puts things in context. If it's a choice of no flag at all or a tiny one, then in the banner is definitely the less of two evils.
What do you think of this change as a slight improvement then, James? --W. Franke-mailtalk 13:18, 1 July 2013 (UTC)
I prefer the flag in front. I'm happy to see the flag larger, but it's about what others are willing to compromise. You may want to discuss it at Template talk:Quickbar. James Atalk 13:23, 1 July 2013 (UTC)

External links - urgent?[edit]

Hi James, unfortunately there seems to be commas missing in the CSS. Better change that quick. -- torty3 (talk) 15:12, 1 July 2013 (UTC)

Govt travel advisories[edit]

You did some excellent work in adding govt travel advisories as a parameter to our warning box (supported by consensus), so you might like to know that adding links to govt travel advisories has been tangentially queried here while deprecating external links to on-line relevant news broadcasters reports in situations of potential civil war. --W. Franke-mailtalk 17:10, 4 July 2013 (UTC)

Banners - don't remove, replace[edit]

Hey James, this. With Paris/La Defense, myself and Saqib both fell over ourselves to correct this, just because we both noticed that, but otherwise in some less-watched articles, a well-meaning editor could be heartbroken and feel that Wikivoyage is an evil and ugly police state if you did just that. Resizing a banner is a 2-minute job, and I guess you could have done it as well as I did, but in case you feel unable to, why don't you leave messages on my talk page notifying me of banners that are of the wrong size and I will be happy to resize them.

While your attention was drawn to Paris and daughter articles, why don't you plunge in and help me brush them up to reasonable standards, you may also perhaps want to discuss its nomination for Collaboration of the month#ParisCotM. Thanks in advance! PrinceGloria (talk) 05:42, 5 July 2013 (UTC)

Hey PrinceGloria, thanks for your message. Maybe my program and editing skills are a bit slower, but I think it might've taken me a bit longer than 2 minutes to download, edit, upload and go through Commons' bureaucracy. Either way, I reverted rather than corrected because it really shouldn't be our responsibility to correct. Users should read the rules before creating banners, and that may mean less banners in the long-term, but at least it doesn't mean inconsistency and a messy site. Many users believe that the banner template should be configured so that if a banner is not within 5px or so of the 7:1 ratio, it doesn't even display. We'd probably implement it if it was feasible. I guess my point is that we should promote users to follow the guidelines rather than go around causing people to clean up after them. In this particular case, the user who added the banner is very experienced and after being reminded of the guidelines, has been making a huge number of amazing contributions. James Atalk 05:52, 5 July 2013 (UTC)
James, thank you for taking the time to reply. I believe it should be our responsibility, as more experienced members of the community, to both correct all the mistakes newbies make and perform general housekeeping, as well as work on making them feel included and educate them on the rules. I was a complete newbie just a moment ago, but I had Wikipedia experience to know that there are rules, policies, guidelines, projects and so on that I should take a look at, so I managed to brush up my wikivoyaging quite quickly. Most users face a steep learning curve, as I remember mine at Wikipedia.
Secondly, the banner in question was quite obviously croppable, and it indeed took me 2 minutes to do that, Commons upload included (the rest of the time that passed was me having breakfast). With all due respect, it's one form of laziness vs. another.
Kind regards, PrinceGloria (talk) 08:38, 5 July 2013 (UTC)

Page banner[edit]

James, wondering if is it possible to middle-align the country name (page title) and flag image in the page banner. --Saqib (talk) 09:10, 10 July 2013 (UTC)


Just a reminder -- I don't think we should merge the page histories for Quickbar and Quickbar/working. LtPowers (talk) 13:26, 11 July 2013 (UTC)

Wow, maybe I should've read the new comments first. Thanks, I'll fix it now. James Atalk 13:28, 11 July 2013 (UTC)

Pagebanners, article templates[edit]

Hey, I saw you added pagebanners to the article templates. Has this been discussed? The issue is that pagebannerdefault will wind up getting added to all new destination guides regardless of their geographic location. That's not to say that we shouldn't do it anyway, but it's probably worth discussing (if it hasn't been already). --Peter Talk 19:58, 19 July 2013 (UTC)

Hmmm, I didn't think discussion was required. We came to a consensus that pagebanners should be on every page in the mainspace, so I presumed that we want users who create new articles to include the pagebanner off the bat, and not have to bother including it themselves. Regarding defaults, I don't think it's a major concern that will upset or confuse anyone. To be honest, I personally think we've gone a step too far with current banner defaults, and only 3 or 4 would've really been necessary. James Atalk 01:01, 20 July 2013 (UTC)
I've taken it off {{Disambiguation skeleton}} as none of the current disambiguation articles have banners. -- WOSlinker (talk) 11:14, 20 July 2013 (UTC)
I wasn't aware of current usage, but Wikivoyage:Banner_Expedition#Usage states "The standard disambiguation banner File:Disambiguation banner.png should be used for all disambiguation pages." James Atalk 11:47, 20 July 2013 (UTC)
I don't know that we have a strong consensus for the disambiguation banner... I personally think it's too much, but I think globe-trotter liked it. New York currently uses it. LtPowers (talk) 13:57, 20 July 2013 (UTC)
Fair enough. We should probably remove it from the expedition page until it's been confirmed by consensus. I personally like the banner, but agree it may not be necessary. James Atalk 13:59, 20 July 2013 (UTC)
The integral horizontal ToC can be very useful in some contexts if there are quite a few choices of settlements in a variety of countries. --W. Franke-mailtalk 14:05, 20 July 2013 (UTC)
The example you linked is well less than a page long; I don't think it's a good example of needing a ToC at all, let alone a horizontal one. LtPowers (talk) 19:28, 20 July 2013 (UTC)
Perhaps you usually use a big screen and a fast connection? On my tiny screen it is more than one screen long. --W. Franke-mailtalk 22:52, 20 July 2013 (UTC)
Even if it was more than one-screen long on your screen, I'm sure only incrementally and that a TOC hardly helps navigation. It may be worth adding the NOTOC tag to the bottom disambiguation template. James Atalk 01:22, 21 July 2013 (UTC)
I'm not sure we should be designing for screens that show fewer than 14 lines. LtPowers (talk) 15:51, 21 July 2013 (UTC)
I can understand and sympathise with that stance. However, bear in mind that the depth (or number of lines) of a screen, depend on its display width too. I use one of the most popular notebooks, the Acer Aspire one, and, under Firefox with a minimised header, our Nelson disambiguation page currently occupies more than 2 pages of my 31 available lines (not counting the common footer or the banner) --W. Franke-mailtalk 14:13, 31 July 2013 (UTC)

User maps[edit]

Thanks for exhuming the Wikivoyage talk:Roadmap/Generated user maps topic again! This will, I believe, be a very important step forward and adds to WV's attractivity, too, when we manage. Sadly, my technical skills are not sufficient to be very helpful, but I would like to see the idea implemented. Danapit (talk) 17:49, 9 November 2013 (UTC)

No problem Danapit. Hopefully we can see it implemented! James Atalk 01:58, 10 November 2013 (UTC)

red link cleanup[edit]

James, just for completeness of removing the pages with broken file links list, do you still need the page User:JamesA/UNESCO layout? Can it be deleted, blanked or the offending red link images commented out? --Traveler100 (talk) 11:25, 16 November 2013 (UTC)

Hi Traveler100. I've deleted the page, so the redlinks will no longer be a concern there, but thanks for asking first. Good job on the cleanup! James Atalk 11:33, 16 November 2013 (UTC)

Australian info[edit]

Hi James, I need some info about Australia, do you have some spare time to discuss about it? Preferrably via IRC just to shorten the time needed. Thanks, --Andyrom75 (talk) 10:00, 3 August 2014 (UTC)

Upload files, Upload Wizard?[edit]

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Hello! Sorry for writing in English. As you're an administrator here, please check the message I left on MediaWiki talk:Licenses and the village pump. Thanks, Nemo 19:22, 18 September 2014 (UTC)


Hi JamesA, thanks for the work on Melbourne. I've started a topic in the talk page there, please take a look. Thanks! -- User:Wiki9gel


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Seems that you are interested in visiting Myanmar. I created a Myanmar guidebook on wikivoyage in the community book section that I'm still updating. --Bananaplug (talk) 14:47, 31 October 2015 (UTC)bananaplug

Hi Bananaplug. Thanks for sharing your book with me! It looks good and I'll keep it in mind if I ever do get the opportunity to go to Myanmar. All the best with your editing and the book. James Atalk 12:07, 1 November 2015 (UTC)
It's already in the community books section. I deleted the other one because it was an earlier version. --Bananaplug

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