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New banner for Covid-19 box (2021)[edit]

I'm having trouble finding suitable images of masks, as masks themselves aren't very interesting, and so a lot of pictures have people in them, which I don't think we want. Here are three suggestions, but I think we should wait for some more proposals from other people before we start voting. Ground Zero (talk) 15:29, 5 January 2021 (UTC)

I like the last one best. Thanks. Ikan Kekek (talk) 17:36, 5 January 2021 (UTC)
The "last one" refers to Banner D as the comment was posted before I added Banner E. Ground Zero (talk) 22:21, 5 January 2021 (UTC)
As a multilingual project, we should aim for an image that's as light on text as possible. I prefer AlasdairW's proposed banner. -- AndreCarrotflower (talk) 20:52, 5 January 2021 (UTC)
That banner is File:Surgical masks and hand sanitiser banner.jpg. I don't think it's much lighter in text than the Russian one. I like it 2nd best, but I like the fact that the Russian banner shows how to wear a mask. And please, let's not assume all our readers know how to wear a mask properly or do it all the time. Ikan Kekek (talk) 21:09, 5 January 2021 (UTC)
Actually, this is an English-language project — there are other versions of Wikivoyage that operate in other languages. I chose non-English-language images to keep with the travel theme. I looked at AlasdairW's banner, and it took me a while to find the masks because they are folded and wrapped in plastic. What really shows up there is the hand sanitiser, but I have added it to the list for consideration as "Banner E". Ground Zero (talk) 21:24, 5 January 2021 (UTC)

Some other ideas I can resize into banners if there us interest. Ground Zero (talk) 21:53, 5 January 2021 (UTC)

Definitely not the first, with the guy on the left having his nose exposed and the one on the right touching the top of his mask. I'm satisfied with the selection above, though. Ikan Kekek (talk) 23:26, 5 January 2021 (UTC)
"Taking temperatures" is in my opinion the best of these images. --Comment by Selfie City (talk | contributions) 21:41, 6 January 2021 (UTC)
If you'd like something more icon-like, then the World Health Organization has released some images, and it might be possible to crop/assemble some of them into a useful banner with plenty of room for text. Here are the files I'd start with:

Unfortunately, they're all "bitmap" images rather than vector images, but I suspect that it would be fairly easy to extract a few pieces. WhatamIdoing (talk) 22:32, 7 January 2021 (UTC)

I think there is a lot of information in those images, which would be better in the COVID-19 article than in a banner. Ground Zero (talk) 13:34, 8 January 2021 (UTC)
I actually really like these. If we took just a row of the circular images illustrating mask usage and hand washing, with no text, and expand the background color to fill, I think that would make a very simple and straightforward image. --Bigpeteb (talk) 20:07, 8 January 2021 (UTC)
Changing my vote to the NYPL lion with the mask on. Emphatically. -- AndreCarrotflower (talk) 02:59, 8 January 2021 (UTC)
I still think that if we're going to change the image, it ought to be the one that shows the temperature gun being used. Diagnosing coronavirus is crucial to containing it, and temperature checks take place at so many buildings now that it's one of the main experiences people associate with COVID-19. When animals start catching coronavirus in large numbers I might change my vote. --Comment by Selfie City (talk | contributions) 16:16, 9 January 2021 (UTC)

Second round[edit]

I was hoping for more input from others before proceeding. But in the interest of moving this along, here are the banners that have attracted support so far. I'm not able to cut-and-paste the WHO images as Bigpeteb suggested. If someone can do that, please add it to this list. @SelfieCity, AndreCarrotflower, WhatamIdoing, Ikan Kekek, AlasdairW: -- Ground Zero (talk) 17:17, 9 January 2021 (UTC).

Banner D (PPE for sale in Moscow)


Banner E (Anti-A gel)


Banner F (Taking temperatures)


Banner G (New York Public Library Lions)


Banner H (Moai in masks)


Discussion[edit]

  • My choices in order of preference: H D G F E, then the WHO graphic. Wikivoyage is not the first place readers will be getting COVID19 information from as it has been front-and-centre in the media for 10 months now, so I think we should lean toward a simpler travel-related picture, rather than worrying about trying to educate readers through a banner. Ground Zero (talk) 17:17, 9 January 2021 (UTC).
  • Seeing these all in a row changes my votes somewhat. D, F, H, G, E. Ikan Kekek (talk) 22:16, 9 January 2021 (UTC)
  • E,F,H,D,G. I looked at creating an image using the WHO posters, and I think it would be a bit of work for this shape of banner. However they crop quite well into a normal pagebanner. I have posted this on Talk:COVID-19 pandemic, but I am not suggesting changing that banner at the moment. AlasdairW (talk) 23:01, 9 January 2021 (UTC)
  • G, H, E, current banner, F, WHO graphic, D. -- AndreCarrotflower (talk) 00:18, 10 January 2021 (UTC)
  • I like the statues wearing masks so G & H. F is also good as it is something you will experience if you do travel during the pandemic. User:DaGizza
  • H then G for me. The others are less interesting to me. ChubbyWimbus (talk) 11:24, 10 January 2021 (UTC)
  • H, F, G, D, E. Incorporate WHO graphics into the article, but they don't work as banners because you'll have text on top of text.--ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 12:33, 10 January 2021 (UTC)
  • F, E, G, D, H. The moai aren’t wearing the masks per CDC guidelines. It’s not covering the chin and barely covering the nose. I maintain that F is by far the most practical of the images. --Comment by Selfie City (talk | contributions) 12:40, 10 January 2021 (UTC)
Its true that the masks aren't covering the chin, but they are giant sone heads, so I don't think image has to be viewed literally. I would agree if we were showing a person wearing a mask incorrectly. Ground Zero (talk) 12:23, 13 January 2021 (UTC)
  • H and G, in no particular order. It might help to see them with the text overlay, the way they'd appear in the banner. Also, can we flip H and G horizontally? That would put the focal point of those images on the right, so it doesn't overlap with the text overlay on the left. --Bigpeteb (talk) 19:59, 11 January 2021 (UTC)
The text on a main page banner can be at the left, right or in the centre, and there is a width parameter, so the text can be moved to fit the image. See the examples on Wikivoyage:Destination of the month candidates/Banners. AlasdairW (talk) 21:04, 11 January 2021 (UTC)
You people keep forcing me to learn new things.... I've added the text overlay. If anyone can make improvements, they are welcome. Ground Zero (talk) 22:03, 11 January 2021 (UTC)

Counting the votes[edit]

Here is the tally of the first-ranked votes according to Dominion Voting Systems Inc.:

  • H — 4½ votes
  • G — 2½ votes
  • D E F — one vote each

After allocating the D E F votes according to preferences between G and H:

  • H — 6½ votes
  • G — 3½ votes

Does anyone else want to vote?
Does anyone want to change their vote?
Does anyone want to audit the count?
Ground Zero (talk) 12:23, 13 January 2021 (UTC)

I'm happy with either G or H. Also, if you'll let work-me slip into the conversation here for a moment, @PPelberg (WMF) has been thinking about how people use votes on wiki and may be very interested in seeing this discussion. WhatamIdoing (talk) 16:49, 13 January 2021 (UTC)
Oh, wow. This is precisely the kind of vote I'm glad to know about...thank you for the ping, @WhatamIdoing. I've added a link to this vote to the ticket where we are thinking about how we might add support for voting-style discussions. See: phab:T259865. PPelberg (WMF) (talk) 00:49, 16 January 2021 (UTC)

Seeing no objections or guys wearing furs and horns, I've implemented banner H. Ground Zero (talk) 01:24, 16 January 2021 (UTC)

Our Main Page, our Facebook page, and the end of COVID[edit]

Swept in from the pub

Now that several COVID vaccines have been developed and approved, mass inoculation campaigns are ramping up, and we can begin to envision a future return to normalcy in a more than theoretical way, let's talk about at what point we can remove the COVID-19 banner from our Main Page, the special COVID-19 message from our Facebook page, and the warningboxes from individual articles. Obviously now's not the time, but all the same it would be nice if we clarified in advance what needs to happen before we as a community feel comfortable doing those things. -- AndreCarrotflower (talk) 00:21, 12 March 2021 (UTC)

Yes, indeed. I think we have to keep in mind that Covid-19 will be "over" in industrialized countries that have access to the vaccines long before it will be over in developing countries. We may have to re-write those messages first, and remove them later. Ground Zero (talk) 00:32, 12 March 2021 (UTC)
I think we should talk about this later, when it's warranted. But it won't be the end of COVID-19, just the end of the pandemic. The disease is likely to continue to be endemic in many places for quite a while. Ikan Kekek (talk) 06:44, 12 March 2021 (UTC)
I can foresee a situation where the (north hemisphere) summer makes numbers go down in many countries like last year, and that vaccines get the credit although only a moderate percent of the populations have got vaccinated. If so, I think we should have decided on how to react (i.e. the decision should be made in a few months). I suppose we should rewrite the warnings etc. about at that time. In autumn we'll see whether there will be one more wave even in these countries. Before New Year vaccines should have made life go about back to normal in many countries, but not in all the world. Then we need new updates. What they'll be like, we cannot know yet.
So I think we can postpone most of the discussion, but we should have decided not to join the first wave of people saying the pandemic is overcome.
LPfi (talk) 10:09, 12 March 2021 (UTC)
Even within the industrialised world, the vaccine rollouts are going at very different speeds. It's likely that some countries will be up and running by the summer, but not the majority of even the "rich" ones. So I think we're a fair way off removing the guidance from the Main page, though we may have to update it sooner rather than later.--ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 10:17, 12 March 2021 (UTC)
Some countries will still maintain the quarantine system (like Australia) until it is fully over. Best to still keep it. TravelAroundOz (talk) 03:19, 13 March 2021 (UTC)
TravelAroundOz - But that's exactly why I'm asking the question. What exactly does "fully over" mean? How is it quantified? And if only one country, or only a few countries, are still under quarantine, do we really need a banner on the Main Page or would just a warningbox in the individual country article(s) suffice? The reason why I bring this up now is not because I think the end of the pandemic is imminent in the short term, but because I expect there to be - or rather, because given the enormity of the issue, there rightly should be - a protracted debate about the specifics of when and how to ease up on the warnings. If ever there were a decision that requires a true community-wide consensus, rather than a "consensus" crafted by one or two interested parties that the rest of the community just goes along with because they don't care either way, this is the one. -- AndreCarrotflower (talk) 04:28, 13 March 2021 (UTC)
One criterion is that WHO declares the pandemic to be over. Another is that major airline hubs no more have any special arrangements for the disease. After those are satisfied we can consider whether we still should have general warnings (e.g. for those who still are vulnerable) or just in select destination articles. We should of course reword the warnings earlier. –LPfi (talk) 08:44, 13 March 2021 (UTC)
It's possible that the WHO might not ever say that COVID-19 is "over". I think they will reclassify it from "pandemic" to something else, perhaps "global epidemic" (which is the label they give to HIV/AIDS). There isn't really a single accepted definition for the start or end of an epidemic. WhatamIdoing (talk) 19:10, 13 March 2021 (UTC)

New banner for Covid-19 box (2021) -- for May[edit]

We've had the moai banner, which I really like, on the Main Page since the middle of January. Would there be any interest in changing things up up by putting the runner-up New York Pubouc Library lion picture (banner G, above) up for a while? Change on the Main Page is good for keeping things fresh. Ground Zero (talk) 22:43, 28 April 2021 (UTC)

Sure, why not.--ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 22:51, 28 April 2021 (UTC)
OK with me. Ikan Kekek (talk) 02:56, 29 April 2021 (UTC)
Done. Ground Zero (talk) 15:59, 5 May 2021 (UTC)