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It's up now!

So, I created the first travel guide, Canada which needs quite a bit of improvement. What I'm just wondering is - should we have listing for eat, drink, sleep, buy... etc, like this wiki does? Antiv31 (talk) 05:20, 24 March 2015 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Definitly. - If you can find the entries.. - Take a look at the Time Travel guide for example.. That's at LEASST 4 FicTravel entries..Sfan00 IMG (talk) 22:12, 24 March 2015 (UTC)Reply[reply]

An award for you![edit]

The Wikivoyage Barncompass
this for you Drancakova.barb1 (talk) 15:47, 8 May 2016 (UTC)Reply[reply]
For what reasons? ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 17:43, 8 May 2016 (UTC)Reply[reply]


Thanks for starting up new travel topics. One little thing though, please remember that all WV articles should have a (at least a generic) banner and a part of tag. ϒpsilon (talk) 14:51, 6 June 2016 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Thanks. I don't know how to proceed though... Google gave over 3 million results whenn I typed corn maze! :( ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 14:54, 6 June 2016 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Some help getting started by adding some entries might help, and someon should probably draft an understand section. I'm much better at thinking up broad topics then I am in finding what to put in them :( ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 14:54, 6 June 2016 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Request to lock an alternate[edit]

Swept in from the pub

Per some comments on another wiki, I was informed that there's a move to eliminate alternate accounts. I have an alternate account at User:Sfan00_IMG, and thuslly would like to request that User:Sfan00_IMG gets locked. ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 13:17, 5 June 2016 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Confirming from alternate account. Sfan00 IMG (talk) 13:20, 5 June 2016 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Re-confirming from main account. 13:21, 5 June 2016 (UTC)
Unless there's a button I've missed, no one on Wikivoyage has the ability to lock an account - you'll need to request a steward to do it on meta. -- Ryan • (talk) • 17:45, 5 June 2016 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Admins can do it, locking an account is essentialy the same as applying a block (albiet the reason being a "user iniated request" as the reason. ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 19:56, 5 June 2016 (UTC)Reply[reply]
"Lock" is now a bit of jargon for stewards preventing someone from logging in. (If you're "blocked", you can login, look at your watchlist, and usually edit your talk page. If you're "locked", you can't do any of that.) See m:Lock for more details.
I am dubious about this report that "there's a move to eliminate alternate accounts". It seems far more likely to me that someone is hoping that he can change the policy. I won't believe that until I see it, to be perfectly frank. Too many admins use alternate accounts for perfectly legitimate reasons, such as not wanting to type the passwords for their admin account into a public/library/university computer. WhatamIdoing (talk) 04:07, 11 June 2016 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Where to stick content (re Grand Scale/Miniature/Park/narrow Gauge) railways?[edit]

Swept in from the pub

I have this quandary because depending on their nature they could go in:-

  1. Miniatures,_dioramas_and_scale_models#United_Kingdom, where I've put in some 5 inch gauge (Model Engineering) Club circuits that are effectively used for showing scale (working) model displays. The section concerned was originally going to be for things like G-Scale displays, but "-5 inch lines seemed to be a better fit. The parent section is Model Railways and Garden Short Lines, but this could be split if needed, or re-titled.
  2. Tourist_trains#Rideable_Minature_and_Park_Railways which so far in respect of my additions have been the longer lines, or those og 10.25 inch guage or above, or which are closer to being (in some cases very) narrow gauge lines as opposed to 'large-scale-models'.
  3. Heritage_railways which is where I put the obviously narrow-guage lines of wales.

I'd appreciate some feedback on this, as I know of some modern narrow gauge lines in the UK, that aren't miniature, are slightly longer than what would be called a park railway, but are not a heritage line in the strictest sense, like the Teffi Valley, or Launceston Steam Railway.

All three sections could be greatly expanded, but I'm only aware of a few lines in the UK (and there are many.) ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 20:51, 31 December 2016 (UTC)Reply[reply]

I also note Travel_for_rail_enthusiasts, but this I assumed would be for the must see national level stuff like the NRM in York, not attraction railways. ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 20:53, 31 December 2016 (UTC)Reply[reply]


Hi, you recently edited my userpage. I copied the codes from somewhere so if there's some problem, please feel free to fix it. --Saqib (talk) 12:42, 22 April 2017 (UTC)Reply[reply]

I tried and it didn't fix ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 13:04, 22 April 2017 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Reverting status change[edit]

If you revert other people's edits (incl. status change), how about adding a comment on why? Not just an incomprehensible edit note (what the heck is LintError and its relation to being pedantic? why is the version known?). As to my best knowledge, the Kamnik page just lacked the notes on go next, which I've added. In any case, I would deem discussion better than just changing it. This leads to people leaving the project, as it's unfriendly style. Buan~dewiki (talk) 15:58, 24 April 2017 (UTC)Reply[reply]

"Wrong version" revert problem, I reinstated your change in any event:) ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 16:02, 24 April 2017 (UTC)Reply[reply]
LintError is an analysis extension, that tries to identify pages that will be problematic for the new parser. It seems this morning I was getting annoyed with it's inability to fully identify where it THINKS it sees bad coding. ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 16:04, 24 April 2017 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Ok, thx for the clarification. Then I think I understand it. If that sounds reasonable, I would go over the page and make whatever changes I think are necessary. So that means that you are not against any content change but tried to fix a technical error. Can I activate LintError, too - respectively: do you think it makes sense? Buan~dewiki (talk) 17:00, 24 April 2017 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I suspect there is some syntax error in the file as the "edit" of POIs gets a form for the wrong POI (i.e. when I try to edit "Medobcinski muzej", it shows me a form for "avtobusna postaja"). As you seem to have experience, is there a way to quickly find errors in the page?
Not quickly within my expertise level, sadly. ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 18:35, 27 April 2017 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Thanks for letting me know. I will see whether I can figure it out. Buan~dewiki (talk) 09:59, 29 April 2017 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Please ease off on "thank you" messages[edit]

I do appreciate the thanks, but there have been over a dozen messages a day for the last day or two, which seems excessive.

By the way, thanks for your edits as well. Pashley (talk) 23:31, 23 June 2017 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Uber in London[edit]

As I understand it they can still trade until the appeal is heard in 21 days, then will depend on that ruling. Not sure it should be removed yet. --Traveler100 (talk) 19:25, 23 September 2017 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Multi-paragraph listings[edit]

Hi ShakespeareFan00, thank you for all your cleanup work. I'm curious about your many edits removing paragraph breaks; when paragraph breaks are added via the listing editor (as a double-return) they seem to work just fine, as viewed on my laptop as well as android phone and tablet. What exactly is the problem? –StellarD (talk) 23:20, 16 December 2017 (UTC)Reply[reply]

@StellarD: They show up as something that will potentialy break the new parser due to be implemented mid 2018. The new parser is lot tighter on what hacks can be pulled. It would also of course be nice to have a multi-paragrpah listings template, that can be self-embedded ;)
See also Special:LintErrors

ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 23:24, 16 December 2017 (UTC)Reply[reply]

I understand. Is there any possibility we could hold off removing all the paragraph breaks until the template is fixed, which would hopefully be before the implementation of the new parser? The problem is that with Valencia, for example, some longer listings with multiple paragraphs will have to now be rewritten as prose, which I'm reluctant to do, because then the many Wikipedia and Wikidata links will be lost, not to mention the general layout of the page will be screwed up. Valencia in particular is due to be featured as DotM in March, which I'm guessing may(?) be before the new parser comes into effect. –StellarD (talk) 23:31, 16 December 2017 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@StellarD: Thanks, I was needing a breakpoint, from something mind numbing. My suggestion would be to write a {{listing/s}} and {{listing/e}} template, converting the content parameter into an appropriate DIV container. This would mean new conversions could be migrated over to it quite straightforwardly whilst existing single block listings would not have to be changed at all. There are some listings templates that still fail regardless of the multi paragraph issue though, Perhaps someone should check that the the relevant markup really does balance under all typical usage conditions? Typically ''italic'' and '''bold''' tags becoming mismatched is what I've been seeing a LOT of. Inside templates these are nearly impossible to find, unless it' clearly obvious in the content=param :(. Good luck with your featured article nom, but ensuring the templates are based on don't have potential failure points is highly recomended..
Reverted most of the paragraph squashing, until the template can be reworked.ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 11:57, 17 December 2017 (UTC)Reply[reply]

If {{listing/s}} and {{listing/e}} can be implemented as I suggest so much the better, and LMK when they are :) ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 23:39, 16 December 2017 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Thanks for the suggestion. The only problem is that I have no idea how to write or modify templates, and I'm not really sure whom to ask. Maybe Traveler100 can make a recommendation? –StellarD (talk) 23:56, 16 December 2017 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@Traveler100:,@StellarD:. Noted... Maybe... ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 23:57, 16 December 2017 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I don't understand any of this really, but I'm just going to go ahead and revert the changes on Sheffield. If and when a new listing template becomes available, we can use that, but for now the "cheats" are the only way to do it. --ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 10:47, 17 December 2017 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Don't hold back on reverting then:) ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 10:48, 17 December 2017 (UTC)Reply[reply]
The vast majority of these edits you're making are helpful, definitely. --ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 11:56, 17 December 2017 (UTC)Reply[reply]
So if I understand correctly if there is a <p> tag followed by text in a listing you want this replaced by <div> text </div> ? Not sure what you mean by listing s and listing e? --Traveler100 (talk) 15:27, 17 December 2017 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Nope, I am saying that in a listing template, each "block" currently using the <p> p hack should be wrapped appropriately at the next highest level of HTML element. This can either be a multline=yes param in listing that converts the currently span based {{{content}}} <nowiki> element to a block one. or we have {{tl|listing/s}}to open a listing (using a div based approach) and {{tl|listing/e}} to close it. In between normal markup is used, without a need for the <nowiki><p> hack :). What I was asking for was a way to tell mediawiki not to crunch it... XD ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 15:32, 17 December 2017 (UTC)Reply[reply]
p into p is bad HTML. p into span, also, trying to put div into P say your document structure needs rethinking or the templatre amending. ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 15:32, 17 December 2017 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Think we need to step back here, I am not on the same wave length as you on this topic. Can you please start with the basics for me. What syntax do you want to remove from existing listings? What changes do you want to make to creating new listing and to the listing editor? Do you still want to still allow multi-paragraphs in listings, if so what syntax of code do you want to allow? Please state problem and requirement not a solution. --Traveler100 (talk) 17:12, 17 December 2017 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Yes, I'd still like to see multi-paragraphs in listings.
What needs to change is that it should not have to be necessary to include raw HTML in a listing (i.e P tags) to do this.
Existing single-paragraph listings must not be affected.

If there is a technical soloution for this, proceed. ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 17:16, 17 December 2017 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Easiest method would be to have additional parameters in the listing content2= content3= etc. but would have to decide on a maximum number of these. Could then control format in the listing template then. Would make the listing editor a little large though. --Traveler100 (talk) 18:39, 17 December 2017 (UTC)Reply[reply]
That wouldn't necessarily accomodate sub-lists though. Also an amended listing2 template would need to consider that additional sub-listings might be placed inside it. Not sure how on earth you'd make the template embedable within itself though.

ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 18:57, 17 December 2017 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Now that is a second requirement :-) . Have to ask, why not simply have a second set of indented listings after the first one? Like Buxtehude#Eat. --Traveler100 (talk) 19:10, 17 December 2017 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Don't worry... Having tried to do requirements capture on a software project once... You'll never get it all the first time you ask.ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 19:12, 17 December 2017 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Confused, why are you now adding p html code? --Traveler100 (talk) 19:37, 17 December 2017 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Temporary workaround. I can pause if needed.ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 20:07, 17 December 2017 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Anyway, on the topic of indented listings, what is wrong with separate listings? --Traveler100 (talk) 20:25, 17 December 2017 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Nothing at all :) Thanks for the tip. ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 20:26, 17 December 2017 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Hi bard, you mentioned the other day that a lua module for Template:Listing would be nice, and there is one already at Module:Listing, I have made some slight tweaks to it but it was experimental in 2013 and is not up-to-date. However if you want to test it, use Template:Listing/sandbox. (works the same as normal, params unchanged). direct other templates like Template:See/sandbox to it to test those. However currently the output is quite different:
Extended content

<span class="vcard"><span class="noprint listing-coordinates" style="display:none"><span class="geo"><abbr class="latitude">50.101918</abbr><abbr class="longitude">-5.667593</abbr></span></span><span title="Map for this 'go' marker"><maplink group="go" latitude="50.101918" longitude="-5.667593" show="mask,around,buy,city,do,drink,eat,go,listing,other,see,sleep,vicinity,view,black,blue,brown,chocolate,forestgreen,gold,gray,grey,lime,magenta,maroon,mediumaquamarine,navy,red,royalblue,silver,steelblue,teal,fuchsia" zoom="17">{"type":"Feature","geometry":{"coordinates":[-5.667593,50.101918],"type":"Point"},"properties":{"marker-symbol":"-number-go","title":"Land's End Airport","marker-color":"A52A2A"}}</maplink> </span>[[Category:Has map markers]][<span id="Land's_End_Airport" class="fn org listing-name">'''Land's End Airport'''</span>] (''<span class="nickname listing-alt">'''[[Land's End#By plane|LEQ]]'''<sup><small>[[:w:IATA airport code| IATA]]</small></sup></span>'') (''<span class="listing-directions">is situated close to Land's End itself</span>'')  <span class="note listing-content">The airport enjoys a spectacular setting overlooking the dramatic Cornish coast offering a welcome relief to the bustle of ‘up-country’ life. Within the immediate vicinity are several tourist attractions, scenic walks and plentiful accommodation. The South West Coastal Footpath is adjacent to the airport and leads to many stunning beaches including Sennen Cove and Porthcurno.</span><span class="listing-metadata"><span class="listing-metadata-items"> <span class="vcard-edit-button noprint"> [[File:Wikidata-logo.svg|16px|class=listing-sister|link=:d:Q474682|label|Q474682 on Wikidata]]</span> <span class="vcard-edit-button noprint">  [[File:Wikipedia-icon.png|15px|class=listing-sister|link=:w:Land's End Airport|label|Land's End Airport on Wikipedia]]</span> </span></span></span></span>
<bdi class="vcard"><span id="Q474682"></span><span class="noprint listing-coordinates" style="display:none"><span class="geo"><abbr class="latitude">50.101918</abbr><abbr class="longitude">-5.667593</abbr></span></span><span title="Map for this 'go' marker"><maplink group="go" latitude="50.101918" longitude="-5.667593" show="mask,around,buy,city,do,drink,eat,go,listing,other,see,sleep,vicinity,view,black,blue,brown,chocolate,forestgreen,gold,gray,grey,lime,magenta,maroon,mediumaquamarine,navy,red,royalblue,silver,steelblue,teal,fuchsia" zoom="17">{"type":"Feature","geometry":{"coordinates":[-5.667593,50.101918],"type":"Point"},"properties":{"marker-symbol":"-number-go","title":"Land's End Airport","marker-color":"A52A2A"}}</maplink> </span>[[Category:Has map markers]][<span id="Land's_End_Airport" class="fn org listing-name">'''Land's End Airport'''</span>] (<bdi class="nickname listing-alt" style="font-style: italic;">'''[[Land's End#By plane|LEQ]]'''<sup><small>[[:w:IATA airport code| IATA]]</small></sup></bdi>) (<bdi class="listing-directions" style="font-style: italic;">is situated close to Land's End itself</bdi>). <bdi class="note listing-content">The airport enjoys a spectacular setting overlooking the dramatic Cornish coast offering a welcome relief to the bustle of ‘up-country’ life. Within the immediate vicinity are several tourist attractions, scenic walks and plentiful accommodation. The South West Coastal Footpath is adjacent to the airport and leads to many stunning beaches including Sennen Cove and Porthcurno.</bdi><span class="listing-sister-icons"> [[File:Wikipedia-icon.png|15px|class=listing-sister|link=w:Land's End Airport|<bdi>Land's End Airport</bdi> on Wikipedia]] [[File:Wikidata-logo.svg|16px|class=listing-sister|link=d:Q474682|Land's End Airport (Q474682) on Wikidata]]</span><span class="listing-metadata"><span class="listing-metadata-items"> </span></span></bdi>

Obviously this would need a lot more work, but consider that this could be made into a viable alternative to the existing template. Arthur Kerensa (talk) 00:47, 21 December 2017 (UTC)Reply[reply]

(Performance) Magic[edit]

Swept in from the pub

Okay. Anyone want to write a stub on where to see it?

I can only think of Vegas though :(. ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 20:23, 16 November 2017 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Probably Branson, Missouri and Atlantic City in the States. There are magic shows, societies, and stores in Los Angeles and New York City as well. —Justin (koavf)TCM 20:30, 16 November 2017 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I did write a stube a while back, in my userspace, but deleted on the grounds I couldn't expand it beyond what I knew... It may be worth seeing if anything can be salavaged, but it would need a lot of re-working, before I'd consider it usable. ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 20:40, 16 November 2017 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Hmm, maybe some conventions or schools that someone might travel to? I've heard of clown schools/camps, so presumably there are equivalent things for stage magicians. WhatamIdoing (talk) 02:45, 19 November 2017 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Copy to Wikipedia Commons template[edit]

Before adding this template to locally hosted images, please make sure the image in question is not a Main Page banner for Destination of the Month, Off the Beaten Path, or Featured Travel Topic. Per our policy, those images are to be hosted locally, not at Commons. -- AndreCarrotflower (talk) 04:11, 20 April 2018 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Duly noted, and removed from other images, were it had been added.ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 15:39, 21 April 2018 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Help needed in getting a page moved back to right place,[edit]

Swept in from the pub

User:Government,_politics_and_opposition and the relevant talk page should be in my userspace, but I botched the move back.

Due to complete incompetence it's now all over the place. Can someone PLEASE put it at (and the relevant talk page at) User: ShakespeareFan00/Government,_politics_and_opposition or delete it entirely? ( and in the process clear up the complete mess of redirects that got created during a series of botched move attempt. Thanks. ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 08:22, 4 June 2018 (UTC)Reply[reply]

is now User:ShakespeareFan00/Government, politics and opposition --Traveler100 (talk) 10:33, 4 June 2018 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Yes and the talk page needs relocating as well. User:User:ShakespeareFan00/Government, politics and opposition, to it's correct location at User talk:ShakespeareFan00/Government, politics and opposition.  :( Apologies.. In any event this article needs a re think as it's too widely scoped and thus incoherently broad. Someone else should decide on ONE scoped focus to follow and split the article if needed. ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 10:50, 4 June 2018 (UTC)Reply[reply]
And another unintentional botched move results because I'm incompetent... There's no comma at the end of the name (Sigh)... I wonder if there is a way to prevent such issues in the future, by sanity checking moves ike this automatically.

In short the article should be at User:ShakespeareFan00/Government, politics and opposition and the talk page at User talk:ShakespeareFan00/Government, politics and opposition. Okay folks how long a block do you want to apply against me for my incompetence? ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 14:24, 4 June 2018 (UTC)Reply[reply]

By the power vested in me as a member of this community, I hereby sentence thee to hard labor, namely improving any single article of your choice, in whatever manner suits you best, to the extent that you feel like. After that, you will be forgiven and your record will be expunged.
More seriously, it'd be possible to set up an edit filter that would warn you if you're moving a page from or to userspace, or moving a page to userspace that isn't your own. WhatamIdoing (talk) 20:30, 4 June 2018 (UTC)Reply[reply]


Hi, ShakespeareFan! The many 'thank yous' are appreciated :-)

I meant to ask your opinion on putting Bard quotes (and input on which ones to choose) at the head of each section on Stratford-upon-Avon, but you didn't seem to be very active at the time. What do you think of them now? Could any be replaced by something better?

Other than that, and just checking, is everything okay with you? Can I help you with anything? Best wishes, --ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 12:49, 12 November 2018 (UTC)Reply[reply]

If you can find suitable ones, why not :) ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 13:09, 12 November 2018 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Yeah, I did it back in August. You can take a look at them right now, if you want. --ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 15:03, 12 November 2018 (UTC)Reply[reply]
The problem with these quotes is that they don't actually say that they are by William Shakespeare, at least where it usually says what the quotes are. I know that might seem a little WV:Obvious, but most Americans probably don't even know much about who Shakespeare is, let alone know that all these quotes were by him. --Comment by Selfie City (talk | contributions) 18:25, 12 November 2018 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I've actually taken a look and I think there are a little too many quotes. They fit well with the sections, but I think maybe we should limit the number of quotes to 3 total. But I don't know what the two of you think (it seems to me that using "you guys" or "y'all" doesn't seem quite right when you're talking about Shakespeare). --Comment by Selfie City (talk | contributions) 18:29, 12 November 2018 (UTC)Reply[reply]
The first one can be attributed, for sure, as it is perhaps not obvious to everyone. But after that, if you're too dumb to get it, too bad; we're not catering for simpletons here. People who don't know who Shakespeare is are unlikely to visit Stratford to begin with, as without the Bard, it's just like any other small old town - ten a penny in these parts. What the quotes should have is an act/scene reference, at least the ones from plays.
I wouldn't want every article to have that many quotes, but for the birthplace of the person who has done more to shape the English language than any other individual, I think the numerous quotes improve the article and will appeal to the sort of traveller who visits Stratford. --ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 18:39, 12 November 2018 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I guess you're right. From your comment, I get the impression that there isn't particularly a lot in Stratford besides Shakespeare. --Comment by Selfie City (talk | contributions) 18:44, 12 November 2018 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Please don't feel you have to thank me for every edit I make. It's nice to be appreciated, but I'm only doing what other long-term contributors, including your good self, do every day. All the best, ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 17:40, 8 January 2019 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Listing syntax[edit]

Helo! I note you are repairing listings with a <p> in the content. I suppose you are using some tool that complains about using HTML block level elements in a container not allowing them. But you do not have to use sublistings, which in many cases are ugly. A line break (<br>) is allowed, and I suppose it is enough in most cases (code to make the line break look like a paragraph break could be used, but I suppose that would be an ugly hack). --LPfi (talk) 20:56, 12 November 2018 (UTC)Reply[reply]

PS Empty lines should not be used in lists. They are nice in edit mode and do not affect the layout, but they break the list, inserting new <ul> tags, which are heard in speech synthesizers. Having the }} on a separate line is quite enough for visually separating items in wikitext edit mode. 21:04, 12 November 2018 (UTC)
Noted - See Special:LintErrors for where I was getting things from.ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 22:20, 12 November 2018 (UTC)Reply[reply]

You might find this useful: [1]. --Comment by Selfie City (talk | contributions) 22:38, 12 November 2018 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Summer only? ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 22:48, 12 November 2018 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Summer only. At the "Keep Tahoe Blue" website it says that there are shuttles in summer and ski trolleys in winter.

Thanks.. The article has this in Get Around I think, Otherwise I would have linked the Transit districts site... ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 22:52, 12 November 2018 (UTC)Reply[reply]

What it says in the "get around" section is this, which doesn't say very much about the trolleys themselves:
During summer months, BlueGo offers transportation around the South Shore both by their bus service, but also by several streetcar-like trolleys under the name "Nifty Fifty Trolley", in reference to US Route 50, South Tahoe's main road, and the route upon which they travel.
No links or anything like that. --Comment by Selfie City (talk | contributions) 22:54, 12 November 2018 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Thanks for the thanks[edit]

...for an edit I don't even remember I made :D -- ϒψιλον (talk) 15:45, 27 November 2018 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Apparently, you didn't get the number of thank you messages that I did. I must have received 30 thank you messages in about 2 days. Glad I discovered the "Mark all as read" button! But thanks for the thanks anyway. (I mean, we are around Thanksgiving, right?) --Comment by Selfie City (talk | contributions) 14:54, 29 November 2018 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Yup, I did get quite a couple of them as well ;) ϒψιλον (talk) 15:58, 29 November 2018 (UTC)Reply[reply]

See below/above[edit]


I somewhat feel like you've forgotten why these are words to avoid, which is strange because you added them to the list.

"See below/above" is only problematic when referring to images, infoboxes or some other piece of formatting which positions itself differently in mobile. But here, you removed it when the information referred to was in ordinary text, which would still be above/below even on mobile. So maybe removing every instance of "see below/above" you find is a waste?

Do you agree, or is there something I'm missing? --ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 20:59, 5 December 2018 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Okay, feel free to reinstate. I'm not going to argure it . ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 23:13, 5 December 2018 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I don't really mind, just trying to save you some time. All the best, ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 17:30, 6 December 2018 (UTC)Reply[reply]
To some exent, I dislike See above, and below, because in places it's bad flow, restructing the article may be better so that the nominal see below, see above isn't needed as the content concerned flows more naturally. Reading text that's full of see above/see below gets harder to read.

ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 17:33, 6 December 2018 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Understandable. I always like to minimise the use of all parenthetical statements (brackets) for that very reason.--ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 18:13, 6 December 2018 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I think "see above/below" is okay, but saying "see the eat section" with a link to that section is better. --Comment by Selfie City (talk | contributions) 04:41, 7 December 2018 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Not sure if you've been asked about this yet[edit]

There's a status called patroller that makes it easier to revert vandalism. Would you like to have it? It's your choice. I can't add it myself, I need a bureaucrat to make the change. --Comment by Selfie City (talk | contributions) 00:20, 30 December 2018 (UTC)Reply[reply]

I'm probably not active enough on here to make it worthwhile.. BTW , Don't forget to revdel my request for assistance re the matter that prompted the above, per DENY. ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 00:21, 30 December 2018 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Yeah, okay, I will. I think, though, revision deleting is not advised for ordinary vandal edits and minor DENY issues, but only for the vandals like Fuerdai and their edits. But we can undo revision deleting, so I'll go ahead and do it. --Comment by Selfie City (talk | contributions) 00:23, 30 December 2018 (UTC)Reply[reply]


Hey, man, I'm glad you appreciate my edits, but there's no need to thank me for every one of them. :-)

All the best,

Ikan Kekek (talk) 14:19, 9 January 2019 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Same from me :-) And thanks for being vigilant with regard to vandalism.--ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 14:22, 9 January 2019 (UTC)Reply[reply]
In any situation where any of you are overwhelmed with thank you messages, in case you didn't notice, there is a very handy "mark all as read" button at the top. Personally, for this reason, I do not mind receiving the thank you messages, although giving 10+ thank you messages within a few hours does not seem like a great use of time to me! But still, thanks a lot for the thanks. --Comment by Selfie City (talk | contributions) 01:44, 10 January 2019 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Horse Racing...[edit]

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I found this list on Wikipedia, w:List_of_British_racecourses#Current_racecourses.

Any volunteers to start adding a listing for the courses in relevant articles, as well possibly writing a summary as an overview?

ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 14:40, 5 January 2019 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Perhaps User:Peaky76 might be interested in starting a page on visiting racecourses here. WhatamIdoing (talk) 20:40, 5 January 2019 (UTC)Reply[reply]
However, what would go on the list and what wouldn't? --Comment by Selfie City (talk | contributions) 21:47, 6 January 2019 (UTC)Reply[reply]
That was why I was sugessting the courses go in the Destinations articles.. The major courses in the uk would be Aintree, Ascot and Epsom I think. Not sure if the UK has any museums that go into the history of Equestrianism in the UK in any depth. ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 13:24, 7 January 2019 (UTC)Reply[reply]
in follow up to the above, another contributor added a number of UK courses to appropriate destination articles, I'd been adding some of the Irish courses in edits like this Concise but probably a little too short :(

I think a summary overview topic such as Horse racing in Britain and Ireland is now desirable given that a good proportion of the UK courses are now in destination articles, and I will be slowly adding some more of the Irish courses in appropriate destinations, over the next few weeks. A summary overview would also be the place to explain the various types of races such as Flat vs National Hunt (being hedge/jump based races) which may differ from terms and forms of "meeting" in the US or Europe. Also given that gambling (on track or off) forms an essential part of Going to the races for a considerable number of people, a concise explanation of this aspect would also be something to include possibly

I know practically nothing about Horse racing (and what to expect at a meeting, structur of them etc), even with the UK though, so would appreciate someone with more expertise developing such an article...

Of course if someone wanted to Plunge Forward and do a global topic on Horse racing , plunge forward.. ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 00:21, 28 January 2019 (UTC)Reply[reply]

URL param in listing template - Generates a Link in Link error....[edit]

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Any suggestions on how to reformat these? ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 13:24, 26 May 2019 (UTC)Reply[reply]

I've put the IATA code in the alt param. -- WOSlinker (talk) 14:15, 26 May 2019 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Consildation request...[edit]

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This a request for an experienced contributor to consolidate information between :

I've left some links to the RNLI's advice section, on the talk page for the main article at Water safety, it might be useful for expanding that article. ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 11:33, 24 May 2019 (UTC)Reply[reply]

My inclination here is to make [[Water safety a disamb - pointing to the various different Stay Safe sections of the Beachs and Water Sport. I think the information is already fully contained in those other articles. --Inas (talk) 23:32, 4 June 2019 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Source check requested...[edit]

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These don't on first glance look touty, but they seem to be in a non standard format.. ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 14:05, 25 June 2019 (UTC)Reply[reply]

They definitely need to be put in the correct format, but they don't appear to be copyvio. I took a look at the original website, which is in Hungarian, and even running the information through Google Translate, the analogous texts bear no resemblance to each other. A Google search for anything identical to our WV content also came up empty. -- AndreCarrotflower (talk) 14:59, 25 June 2019 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I've formatted the article, copyedited the text, and added stuff from Wikipedia. More contributions and edits would be welcome to bring this up to snuff. Ground Zero (talk) 15:03, 25 June 2019 (UTC)Reply[reply]

There is also an article for Soltvadkert that needs rescuing. Can someone else take this on? Ground Zero (talk) 15:15, 25 June 2019 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Please remove defunct airlines[edit]

Please remove defunct airlines. Leaving them in a comment just adds clutter for future editors. —Granger (talk · contribs) 10:12, 23 September 2019 (UTC)Reply[reply]

@Mx. Granger:, I can do that, but I was commenting, in case they get resuced under new ownership? ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 10:13, 23 September 2019 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Do you think that's likely? From the news reports I'm seeing, it seems like they tried pretty hard to save the business (unsuccessfully) and have no obvious prospects for coming back. Even if they do somehow come back, will the routes be all or almost all the same? If not then they'll have to be rechecked manually, which isn't much less work than adding them back from scratch.
Maybe others will disagree; we can see if anyone comments in the pub. —Granger (talk · contribs) 10:17, 23 September 2019 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@Mx. Granger: The BBC news article linked at the pub implied some subsidiaries are still trading, but may also be impacted, so I might need some assistance with the removals. ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 10:19, 23 September 2019 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Let's not be too hasty, then. Do the subsidiaries also use the name "Thomas Cook"? If so, we need to be careful not to remove routes that are still operating. —Granger (talk · contribs) 10:22, 23 September 2019 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Not sure, I was exercising my own discretion, but feel free to revert if needed. ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 10:24, 23 September 2019 (UTC)Reply[reply]


Hello, I just undid your edit to England, and the page saved before I could write an explanatory edit summary.

The immigration situation hasn't changed one iota since yesterday, because we're now in the transition period. For all intents and purposes, the UK is still an EU member state, and has to follow European law for the duration of the transition period (i.e. until midnight on 31 Dec 2020), except now we don't have any commissioners or MEPs in Brussels representing our interests.

Basically, we're now the vassal state that Brexiters told us we were all along, which we weren't when they were saying we were, but which we are now because we believed them when they said we were but weren't. It's quite simple really. --ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 13:41, 1 February 2020 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Ready for mainspace[edit]

Hi. I think ShakespeareFan00/Legislative buildings has been ready for mainspace for a few months now. Ikan Kekek (talk) 10:52, 26 February 2020 (UTC)Reply[reply]

@Ikan Kekek: Feel free to move it then, subject to spelling, grammar and so on being reasonable. ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 10:56, 26 February 2020 (UTC)Reply[reply]
The link I posted above isn't even right, somehow. I guess you can't move the article? Ikan Kekek (talk) 11:38, 26 February 2020 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I would prefer it was moved by someone with more "seniority", having sought views in the pub. :) ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 11:42, 26 February 2020 (UTC)Reply[reply]
You'd dropped the User: prefix BTW - User:ShakespeareFan00/Legislative buildings ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 11:44, 26 February 2020 (UTC)Reply[reply]
OK, it took 3 tries, but I finally moved it right. Next time, you do it yourself, eh? Ikan Kekek (talk) 07:03, 29 February 2020 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Travel topic proposal: Wind, Wave and Water[edit]

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For the Windmills, tide mills of time forgotten, right up to the modern Hydro schemes you can vist. A sub-topic of Industrial Tourism.

Does anyone want to help write a lede, or have any suggestions for key regions to list? ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 11:16, 6 July 2020 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Good idea. Perhaps, however, a different name would help better explain the travel topic, since I thought the title was referring to the words in their literal sense, until I saw your description of the travel topic. --Comment by Selfie City (talk | contributions) 12:12, 6 July 2020 (UTC)Reply[reply]
You almost got the name right of that Swedish 1970's pop classic XD
Jokes aside, I think this could make a good article. "Renewable energy" is maybe be a better name. There are big dams all over the world (famous ones include the Itaipu, Hoover, Aswan and Three Gorges dams), places where solar cells and modern wind turbines were first built, as well as particularly large areas for such power production (for example California had some insanely big solar cell covered area if I remember correctly), wave and tidal power plants which are in use in the UK and Netherlands... --Ypsilon (talk) 14:09, 6 July 2020 (UTC)Reply[reply]
True, Renewable energy is probably a good name for the travel topic.
There are some wind turbines in California, particularly at a place called Altamont Pass and also near Tehachapi, and there are some more near Ely in Nevada. But I doubt travelers would visit those — none of them are scenic and the latter is far from the beaten path. There are many reservoirs in California as well, though my understanding is that these are used for storing water rather than for renewable energy, though there's a lake near Auburn and a couple along the Colorado River which I believe are exceptions. These are worth visiting if I am correct.
Solar power in California is, according to my knowledge, usually generated by individuals at their own homes (usually by placing solar panels on or inside the roof), who are then paid by the government for producing the electricity. Therefore I'm not aware of any solar power destinations in California.
Perhaps a travel topic for California reservoirs could be created as well? These lakes and their surroundings provide some of the state's most beautiful scenery. --Comment by Selfie City (talk | contributions) 14:22, 6 July 2020 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Actually I wanted somewhere to put some Windmills you can visit in the UK, as much as it was about modern Wind Turbines, hence why I didn't choose Renewable Energy. If you include Hydro Schemes, than any list would have to have the Hoover Dam, and the Tennesse Valley Scheme, alongside Dinorwic. ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 15:58, 6 July 2020 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I wonder if we could find some related factories that offer tours. You can normally tour the Hoover Dam, and maybe there are other similar things to do.[2] Just driving past wind turbines is pretty boring. WhatamIdoing (talk) 15:58, 7 July 2020 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I think we need to consider whether the focus is 21st century renewable energy or 17th century ways of making flour or pumping water. I think that there are enough old windmills and watermills that are run on a museum basis to create an article. These are often open for tours and to sell the odd bag of flour. In the past few months some of these have been working flat out as Covid lockdown has caused a boom in home baking. See Lincolnshire, Oldambt and Schiedam for lists of windmills to get started. AlasdairW (talk) 22:11, 7 July 2020 (UTC)Reply[reply]


Just to say I'm sorry to see you're leaving us and hope it won't be forever. Your contributions, especially to more niche topic areas, have always been valuable and valued. And while I'm sure there are people in your life you can talk to, you're welcome to email me any time if you wish.

Take care, ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 17:41, 16 October 2020 (UTC)Reply[reply]

London on foot[edit]

Hi, thanks a lot for adding the extra bits to the London on foot page, it really makes all the different, especially the banner.

I do want to ask though, I did notice that with the walk lengths, it now has miles and kilometres. I was wondering if it was you who put them in, or they were done automatically by the page algorithms?

Thanks in advance,



  1. Re measures . I think it's a conversion thing. Some other considerations :-
  2. I think the pedestrian crossing thing is 'obvious' to most people. Remembering to look for oncoming traffic in a direction you aren't used to perhaps not.
  3. Another set of walks to have is inter-stations ones.. I've found various interesting side streets, by walking between stations.. (and it's handy to know some routes when they close stations for various reasons...)

ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 13:35, 27 August 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]

@ShakespeareFan00: I'll definitely think about that and look at a few ideas!

rev del IP[edit]

If you want me to, I can rev del your IP when you accidentally edited logged out. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 07:27, 28 August 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]

I prefer to leave those in the edit history. ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 07:29, 28 August 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]
sure. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 07:34, 28 August 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Mentoring request and tightening the scope on some articles..[edit]

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1. I recently made a move of a listing based on inadequate research and would like to apologise for that. I've already reverted the move concerned.

However, I'd like to continue to contribute on the site in the future, With this in mind I'd like to ask for a more experienced contributor, to mentor/monitor my edits for a period.

2. Elsewehere concerns have been raised about Fortifications potentially becoming a long-list article which is something that was not considered good practice on Wikivoyage. With this in mind I was wondering if there would be any comments on how what limitations of scope could be applied. I am also wondering if there are other 'fortification' like structures that were built for other purposes, such as protection from flooding, for example, which should be covered.

3. There's also been a concern about Underground works also becoming a 'long-list' article, so the thought here was that listed items should be focused towards standout significant examples or those with historical/cultural importance. Before I make any further changes or moves, I'd like the opinion of other contributors.

@Hobbitschuster:, @Erik den yngre:,@Ikan Kekek: @Yvwv: as contributors to the respective articles. ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 09:41, 27 August 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Sure, I'll put myself up to it for mentoring. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 05:36, 28 August 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Thanks. ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 07:23, 28 August 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I'll have a look at your edits when I see them in recent changes, and don't hesitate to run anything by me on my user talk page whenever you like. Ikan Kekek (talk) 13:20, 28 August 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]


A bus for you!
Thanks for helping me with Bus travel in the united kingdom 2006toyotacorrola (talk) 09:01, 24 October 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]