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Fictravel[edit]

It's up now! http://fictravel.hostingsiteforfree.com

So, I created the first travel guide, Canada which needs quite a bit of improvement. What I'm just wondering is - should we have listing for eat, drink, sleep, buy... etc, like this wiki does? Antiv31 (talk) 05:20, 24 March 2015 (UTC)

Definitly. - If you can find the entries.. - Take a look at the Time Travel guide for example.. That's at LEASST 4 FicTravel entries..Sfan00 IMG (talk) 22:12, 24 March 2015 (UTC)

An award for you![edit]

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this for you Drancakova.barb1 (talk) 15:47, 8 May 2016 (UTC)
For what reasons? ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 17:43, 8 May 2016 (UTC)

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Thanks for starting up new travel topics. One little thing though, please remember that all WV articles should have a (at least a generic) banner and a part of tag. ϒpsilon (talk) 14:51, 6 June 2016 (UTC)

Thanks. I don't know how to proceed though... Google gave over 3 million results whenn I typed corn maze! :( ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 14:54, 6 June 2016 (UTC)
Some help getting started by adding some entries might help, and someon should probably draft an understand section. I'm much better at thinking up broad topics then I am in finding what to put in them :( ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 14:54, 6 June 2016 (UTC)

Request to lock an alternate[edit]

Swept in from the pub

Per some comments on another wiki, I was informed that there's a move to eliminate alternate accounts. I have an alternate account at User:Sfan00_IMG, and thuslly would like to request that User:Sfan00_IMG gets locked. ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 13:17, 5 June 2016 (UTC)

Confirming from alternate account. Sfan00 IMG (talk) 13:20, 5 June 2016 (UTC)
Re-confirming from main account. 13:21, 5 June 2016 (UTC)
Unless there's a button I've missed, no one on Wikivoyage has the ability to lock an account - you'll need to request a steward to do it on meta. -- Ryan • (talk) • 17:45, 5 June 2016 (UTC)
Admins can do it, locking an account is essentialy the same as applying a block (albiet the reason being a "user iniated request" as the reason. ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 19:56, 5 June 2016 (UTC)
"Lock" is now a bit of jargon for stewards preventing someone from logging in. (If you're "blocked", you can login, look at your watchlist, and usually edit your talk page. If you're "locked", you can't do any of that.) See m:Lock for more details.
I am dubious about this report that "there's a move to eliminate alternate accounts". It seems far more likely to me that someone is hoping that he can change the policy. I won't believe that until I see it, to be perfectly frank. Too many admins use alternate accounts for perfectly legitimate reasons, such as not wanting to type the passwords for their admin account into a public/library/university computer. WhatamIdoing (talk) 04:07, 11 June 2016 (UTC)

Where to stick content (re Grand Scale/Miniature/Park/narrow Gauge) railways?[edit]

Swept in from the pub

I have this quandary because depending on their nature they could go in:-

  1. Miniatures,_dioramas_and_scale_models#United_Kingdom, where I've put in some 5 inch gauge (Model Engineering) Club circuits that are effectively used for showing scale (working) model displays. The section concerned was originally going to be for things like G-Scale displays, but "-5 inch lines seemed to be a better fit. The parent section is Model Railways and Garden Short Lines, but this could be split if needed, or re-titled.
  2. Tourist_trains#Rideable_Minature_and_Park_Railways which so far in respect of my additions have been the longer lines, or those og 10.25 inch guage or above, or which are closer to being (in some cases very) narrow gauge lines as opposed to 'large-scale-models'.
  3. Heritage_railways which is where I put the obviously narrow-guage lines of wales.

I'd appreciate some feedback on this, as I know of some modern narrow gauge lines in the UK, that aren't miniature, are slightly longer than what would be called a park railway, but are not a heritage line in the strictest sense, like the Teffi Valley, or Launceston Steam Railway.

All three sections could be greatly expanded, but I'm only aware of a few lines in the UK (and there are many.) ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 20:51, 31 December 2016 (UTC)

I also note Travel_for_rail_enthusiasts, but this I assumed would be for the must see national level stuff like the NRM in York, not attraction railways. ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 20:53, 31 December 2016 (UTC)

Userpage[edit]

Hi, you recently edited my userpage. I copied the codes from somewhere so if there's some problem, please feel free to fix it. --Saqib (talk) 12:42, 22 April 2017 (UTC)

I tried and it didn't fix ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 13:04, 22 April 2017 (UTC)

Reverting status change[edit]

If you revert other people's edits (incl. status change), how about adding a comment on why? Not just an incomprehensible edit note (what the heck is LintError and its relation to being pedantic? why is the version known?). As to my best knowledge, the Kamnik page just lacked the notes on go next, which I've added. In any case, I would deem discussion better than just changing it. This leads to people leaving the project, as it's unfriendly style. Buan~dewiki (talk) 15:58, 24 April 2017 (UTC)

"Wrong version" revert problem, I reinstated your change in any event:) ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 16:02, 24 April 2017 (UTC)
LintError is an analysis extension, that tries to identify pages that will be problematic for the new parser. It seems this morning I was getting annoyed with it's inability to fully identify where it THINKS it sees bad coding. ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 16:04, 24 April 2017 (UTC)
Ok, thx for the clarification. Then I think I understand it. If that sounds reasonable, I would go over the page and make whatever changes I think are necessary. So that means that you are not against any content change but tried to fix a technical error. Can I activate LintError, too - respectively: do you think it makes sense? Buan~dewiki (talk) 17:00, 24 April 2017 (UTC)
I suspect there is some syntax error in the file as the "edit" of POIs gets a form for the wrong POI (i.e. when I try to edit "Medobcinski muzej", it shows me a form for "avtobusna postaja"). As you seem to have experience, is there a way to quickly find errors in the page?
Not quickly within my expertise level, sadly. ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 18:35, 27 April 2017 (UTC)
Thanks for letting me know. I will see whether I can figure it out. Buan~dewiki (talk) 09:59, 29 April 2017 (UTC)

Please ease off on "thank you" messages[edit]

I do appreciate the thanks, but there have been over a dozen messages a day for the last day or two, which seems excessive.

By the way, thanks for your edits as well. Pashley (talk) 23:31, 23 June 2017 (UTC)

Uber in London[edit]

As I understand it they can still trade until the appeal is heard in 21 days, then will depend on that ruling. Not sure it should be removed yet. --Traveler100 (talk) 19:25, 23 September 2017 (UTC)

Multi-paragraph listings[edit]

Hi ShakespeareFan00, thank you for all your cleanup work. I'm curious about your many edits removing paragraph breaks; when paragraph breaks are added via the listing editor (as a double-return) they seem to work just fine, as viewed on my laptop as well as android phone and tablet. What exactly is the problem? –StellarD (talk) 23:20, 16 December 2017 (UTC)

@StellarD: They show up as something that will potentialy break the new parser due to be implemented mid 2018. The new parser is lot tighter on what hacks can be pulled. It would also of course be nice to have a multi-paragrpah listings template, that can be self-embedded ;)
See also Special:LintErrors

ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 23:24, 16 December 2017 (UTC)

I understand. Is there any possibility we could hold off removing all the paragraph breaks until the template is fixed, which would hopefully be before the implementation of the new parser? The problem is that with Valencia, for example, some longer listings with multiple paragraphs will have to now be rewritten as prose, which I'm reluctant to do, because then the many Wikipedia and Wikidata links will be lost, not to mention the general layout of the page will be screwed up. Valencia in particular is due to be featured as DotM in March, which I'm guessing may(?) be before the new parser comes into effect. –StellarD (talk) 23:31, 16 December 2017 (UTC)
@StellarD: Thanks, I was needing a breakpoint, from something mind numbing. My suggestion would be to write a {{listing/s}} and {{listing/e}} template, converting the content parameter into an appropriate DIV container. This would mean new conversions could be migrated over to it quite straightforwardly whilst existing single block listings would not have to be changed at all. There are some listings templates that still fail regardless of the multi paragraph issue though, Perhaps someone should check that the the relevant markup really does balance under all typical usage conditions? Typically ''italic'' and '''bold''' tags becoming mismatched is what I've been seeing a LOT of. Inside templates these are nearly impossible to find, unless it' clearly obvious in the content=param :(. Good luck with your featured article nom, but ensuring the templates are based on don't have potential failure points is highly recomended..
Reverted most of the paragraph squashing, until the template can be reworked.ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 11:57, 17 December 2017 (UTC)


If {{listing/s}} and {{listing/e}} can be implemented as I suggest so much the better, and LMK when they are :) ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 23:39, 16 December 2017 (UTC)

Thanks for the suggestion. The only problem is that I have no idea how to write or modify templates, and I'm not really sure whom to ask. Maybe Traveler100 can make a recommendation? –StellarD (talk) 23:56, 16 December 2017 (UTC)
@Traveler100:,@StellarD:. Noted... Maybe... ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 23:57, 16 December 2017 (UTC)
I don't understand any of this really, but I'm just going to go ahead and revert the changes on Sheffield. If and when a new listing template becomes available, we can use that, but for now the "cheats" are the only way to do it. --ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 10:47, 17 December 2017 (UTC)
Don't hold back on reverting then:) ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 10:48, 17 December 2017 (UTC)
The vast majority of these edits you're making are helpful, definitely. --ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 11:56, 17 December 2017 (UTC)
So if I understand correctly if there is a <p> tag followed by text in a listing you want this replaced by <div> text </div> ? Not sure what you mean by listing s and listing e? --Traveler100 (talk) 15:27, 17 December 2017 (UTC)
Nope, I am saying that in a listing template, each "block" currently using the <p> p hack should be wrapped appropriately at the next highest level of HTML element. This can either be a multline=yes param in listing that converts the currently span based {{{content}}} <nowiki> element to a block one. or we have {{tl|listing/s}}to open a listing (using a div based approach) and {{tl|listing/e}} to close it. In between normal markup is used, without a need for the <nowiki><p> hack :). What I was asking for was a way to tell mediawiki not to crunch it... XD ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 15:32, 17 December 2017 (UTC)
p into p is bad HTML. p into span, also, trying to put div into P say your document structure needs rethinking or the templatre amending. ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 15:32, 17 December 2017 (UTC)
Think we need to step back here, I am not on the same wave length as you on this topic. Can you please start with the basics for me. What syntax do you want to remove from existing listings? What changes do you want to make to creating new listing and to the listing editor? Do you still want to still allow multi-paragraphs in listings, if so what syntax of code do you want to allow? Please state problem and requirement not a solution. --Traveler100 (talk) 17:12, 17 December 2017 (UTC)
Yes, I'd still like to see multi-paragraphs in listings.
What needs to change is that it should not have to be necessary to include raw HTML in a listing (i.e P tags) to do this.
Existing single-paragraph listings must not be affected.

If there is a technical soloution for this, proceed. ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 17:16, 17 December 2017 (UTC)

Easiest method would be to have additional parameters in the listing content2= content3= etc. but would have to decide on a maximum number of these. Could then control format in the listing template then. Would make the listing editor a little large though. --Traveler100 (talk) 18:39, 17 December 2017 (UTC)
That wouldn't necessarily accomodate sub-lists though. Also an amended listing2 template would need to consider that additional sub-listings might be placed inside it. Not sure how on earth you'd make the template embedable within itself though.

ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 18:57, 17 December 2017 (UTC)

Now that is a second requirement :-) . Have to ask, why not simply have a second set of indented listings after the first one? Like Buxtehude#Eat. --Traveler100 (talk) 19:10, 17 December 2017 (UTC)
Don't worry... Having tried to do requirements capture on a software project once... You'll never get it all the first time you ask.ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 19:12, 17 December 2017 (UTC)
Confused, why are you now adding p html code? --Traveler100 (talk) 19:37, 17 December 2017 (UTC)
Temporary workaround. I can pause if needed.ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 20:07, 17 December 2017 (UTC)
Anyway, on the topic of indented listings, what is wrong with separate listings? --Traveler100 (talk) 20:25, 17 December 2017 (UTC)
Nothing at all :) Thanks for the tip. ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 20:26, 17 December 2017 (UTC)
  • Hi bard, you mentioned the other day that a lua module for Template:Listing would be nice, and there is one already at Module:Listing, I have made some slight tweaks to it but it was experimental in 2013 and is not up-to-date. However if you want to test it, use Template:Listing/sandbox. (works the same as normal, params unchanged). direct other templates like Template:See/sandbox to it to test those. However currently the output is quite different:
Extended content
<span class="vcard"><span class="noprint listing-coordinates" style="display:none"><span class="geo"><abbr class="latitude">50.101918</abbr><abbr class="longitude">-5.667593</abbr></span></span><span title="Map for this 'go' marker"><maplink group="go" latitude="50.101918" longitude="-5.667593" show="mask,around,buy,city,do,drink,eat,go,listing,other,see,sleep,vicinity,view,black,blue,brown,chocolate,forestgreen,gold,gray,grey,lime,magenta,maroon,mediumaquamarine,navy,red,royalblue,silver,steelblue,teal,fuchsia" zoom="17">{"type":"Feature","geometry":{"coordinates":[-5.667593,50.101918],"type":"Point"},"properties":{"marker-symbol":"-number-go","title":"Land's End Airport","marker-color":"A52A2A"}}</maplink> </span>[[Category:Has map markers]][http://www.landsendairport.co.uk/<span id="Land's_End_Airport" class="fn org listing-name">'''Land's End Airport'''</span>] (''<span class="nickname listing-alt">'''[[Land's End#By plane|LEQ]]'''<sup><small>[[:w:IATA airport code| IATA]]</small></sup></span>'') (''<span class="listing-directions">is situated close to Land's End itself</span>'')  <span class="note listing-content">The airport enjoys a spectacular setting overlooking the dramatic Cornish coast offering a welcome relief to the bustle of ‘up-country’ life. Within the immediate vicinity are several tourist attractions, scenic walks and plentiful accommodation. The South West Coastal Footpath is adjacent to the airport and leads to many stunning beaches including Sennen Cove and Porthcurno.</span><span class="listing-metadata"><span class="listing-metadata-items"> <span class="vcard-edit-button noprint"> [[File:Wikidata-logo.svg|16px|class=listing-sister|link=:d:Q474682|label|Q474682 on Wikidata]]</span> <span class="vcard-edit-button noprint">  [[File:Wikipedia-icon.png|15px|class=listing-sister|link=:w:Land's End Airport|label|Land's End Airport on Wikipedia]]</span> </span></span></span></span>
<bdi class="vcard"><span id="Q474682"></span><span class="noprint listing-coordinates" style="display:none"><span class="geo"><abbr class="latitude">50.101918</abbr><abbr class="longitude">-5.667593</abbr></span></span><span title="Map for this 'go' marker"><maplink group="go" latitude="50.101918" longitude="-5.667593" show="mask,around,buy,city,do,drink,eat,go,listing,other,see,sleep,vicinity,view,black,blue,brown,chocolate,forestgreen,gold,gray,grey,lime,magenta,maroon,mediumaquamarine,navy,red,royalblue,silver,steelblue,teal,fuchsia" zoom="17">{"type":"Feature","geometry":{"coordinates":[-5.667593,50.101918],"type":"Point"},"properties":{"marker-symbol":"-number-go","title":"Land's End Airport","marker-color":"A52A2A"}}</maplink> </span>[[Category:Has map markers]][http://www.landsendairport.co.uk/<span id="Land's_End_Airport" class="fn org listing-name">'''Land's End Airport'''</span>] (<bdi class="nickname listing-alt" style="font-style: italic;">'''[[Land's End#By plane|LEQ]]'''<sup><small>[[:w:IATA airport code| IATA]]</small></sup></bdi>) (<bdi class="listing-directions" style="font-style: italic;">is situated close to Land's End itself</bdi>). <bdi class="note listing-content">The airport enjoys a spectacular setting overlooking the dramatic Cornish coast offering a welcome relief to the bustle of ‘up-country’ life. Within the immediate vicinity are several tourist attractions, scenic walks and plentiful accommodation. The South West Coastal Footpath is adjacent to the airport and leads to many stunning beaches including Sennen Cove and Porthcurno.</bdi><span class="listing-sister-icons"> [[File:Wikipedia-icon.png|15px|class=listing-sister|link=w:Land's End Airport|<bdi>Land's End Airport</bdi> on Wikipedia]] [[File:Wikidata-logo.svg|16px|class=listing-sister|link=d:Q474682|Land's End Airport (Q474682) on Wikidata]]</span><span class="listing-metadata"><span class="listing-metadata-items"> </span></span></bdi>

Obviously this would need a lot more work, but consider that this could be made into a viable alternative to the existing template. Arthur Kerensa (talk) 00:47, 21 December 2017 (UTC)

(Performance) Magic[edit]

Swept in from the pub

Okay. Anyone want to write a stub on where to see it?

I can only think of Vegas though :(. ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 20:23, 16 November 2017 (UTC)

Probably Branson, Missouri and Atlantic City in the States. There are magic shows, societies, and stores in Los Angeles and New York City as well. —Justin (koavf)TCM 20:30, 16 November 2017 (UTC)
I did write a stube a while back, in my userspace, but deleted on the grounds I couldn't expand it beyond what I knew... It may be worth seeing if anything can be salavaged, but it would need a lot of re-working, before I'd consider it usable. ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 20:40, 16 November 2017 (UTC)
Hmm, maybe some conventions or schools that someone might travel to? I've heard of clown schools/camps, so presumably there are equivalent things for stage magicians. WhatamIdoing (talk) 02:45, 19 November 2017 (UTC)

Copy to Wikipedia Commons template[edit]

Before adding this template to locally hosted images, please make sure the image in question is not a Main Page banner for Destination of the Month, Off the Beaten Path, or Featured Travel Topic. Per our policy, those images are to be hosted locally, not at Commons. -- AndreCarrotflower (talk) 04:11, 20 April 2018 (UTC)

Duly noted, and removed from other images, were it had been added.ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 15:39, 21 April 2018 (UTC)

Help needed in getting a page moved back to right place,[edit]

Swept in from the pub

User:Government,_politics_and_opposition and the relevant talk page should be in my userspace, but I botched the move back.

Due to complete incompetence it's now all over the place. Can someone PLEASE put it at (and the relevant talk page at) User: ShakespeareFan00/Government,_politics_and_opposition or delete it entirely? ( and in the process clear up the complete mess of redirects that got created during a series of botched move attempt. Thanks. ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 08:22, 4 June 2018 (UTC)

is now User:ShakespeareFan00/Government, politics and opposition --Traveler100 (talk) 10:33, 4 June 2018 (UTC)
Yes and the talk page needs relocating as well. User:User:ShakespeareFan00/Government, politics and opposition, to it's correct location at User talk:ShakespeareFan00/Government, politics and opposition. :( Apologies.. In any event this article needs a re think as it's too widely scoped and thus incoherently broad. Someone else should decide on ONE scoped focus to follow and split the article if needed. ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 10:50, 4 June 2018 (UTC)
And another unintentional botched move results because I'm incompetent... There's no comma at the end of the name (Sigh)... I wonder if there is a way to prevent such issues in the future, by sanity checking moves ike this automatically.

In short the article should be at User:ShakespeareFan00/Government, politics and opposition and the talk page at User talk:ShakespeareFan00/Government, politics and opposition. Okay folks how long a block do you want to apply against me for my incompetence? ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 14:24, 4 June 2018 (UTC)

By the power vested in me as a member of this community, I hereby sentence thee to hard labor, namely improving any single article of your choice, in whatever manner suits you best, to the extent that you feel like. After that, you will be forgiven and your record will be expunged.
More seriously, it'd be possible to set up an edit filter that would warn you if you're moving a page from or to userspace, or moving a page to userspace that isn't your own. WhatamIdoing (talk) 20:30, 4 June 2018 (UTC)