Talk:Leuven's green areas, city wall remnants and artwork

Article name, personal itineraries

Hi, Polyglot! Don't you agree this article has a quite long name? How about e.g. "Nature and culture tour in Leuven" or "Leuven's greenery, city wall and art" instead?

Also, there is a rule that so-called personal itineraries (itineraries that are not official routes) are not allowed. Myself I don't like that rule, in particular for articles that are more or less complete but nevertheless you should be prepared that someone might want to nominate the article for deletion at some point. --ϒpsilon (talk) 15:38, 15 March 2015 (UTC)

Hi Ypsilon,

Would "Leuven's green areas, city wall remnants and artwork" be all right?

I knew about that rule, but I had understood it somewhat differently. This article is meant to help a visitor get the most out of a walk around the city. When I go somewhere I usually walk around more or less aimlessly, but I'm supposedly missing out on a lot that way. What I was trying to do here is help a visitor to discover the nicer and more interesting parts of the city. It's also meant as the inner city counterpart to Ad's Path. Of course somebody who's interested in the musea or the shops won't have a lot of benefit from this article, but the musea and the shops aren't very hard to find. Those little shortcuts I'm describing, are somewhat hard to find.

I was hoping to be able to share this article with people on, for example, Couchsurfing who are looking for ways to discover the nicer parts of my home town. There is one part that is still missing though (there is another really nice abbey in the northern part of town). But I'm not sure if it's better to write that down in another itinerary or if it's better to try and incorporate it in this one. I'd prefer to do the former because I think it would take too long to follow the entire walk in one go.

If you think it's really unsuitable, I'm not going to try and figure out how to integrate this itinerary with the article about Leuven. That had been the next step in my "plan". Linking to anchors, where applicable, back and forth. —The preceding comment was added by Polyglot (talk • contribs)

I think that page name would be OK. At least it fitted on one line in the pagebanner. :) And I see you already moved it.

I understand very well what the purpose of the article is and I've myself on several occasions made use of WV articles of unofficial itineraries. ϒpsilon (talk) 19:17, 15 March 2015 (UTC)

I still find the title to be distastefully long and convoluted, and it does indeed seem that this is the type of personal itinerary which we are to avoid. I would advise you to incorporate any details you can into the main Leuven article — perhaps these shortcuts can be worked into the Get around section of the main article, or into the directions field of the attraction for which they are most useful — because under current policy and practice, I do believe this article can and will eventually be deleted. Texugo 11:24, 16 March 2015 (UTC)

If that's the case I would be a fool to put any more work into it. (And cause people like Andre to put even more work into it later on). Better delete it right away then. I fail to understand what's the personal itinerary part in it, but there are so many things I fail to understand. What I tried to accomplish is to give a traveler an idea where the hidden gems are in my home town. Up till now I took couchsurfers on a one on one basis. But of course, I can't do that for each and every traveler with an interest and I can't take them to each and every place every time.

I'll be moving on to a new hobby. I'll go and hide some geocaches and describe what is interesting around those instead. So long and thanks for all the fish. --Polyglot (talk) 10:53, 15 April 2015 (UTC)