User talk:Roovinn

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Welcome to my talk page! Leave me a message below, and I'll reply as soon as I can.


Hello, Roovinn! Welcome to Wikivoyage.

To help get you started contributing, we've created a tips for new contributors page, full of helpful links about policies and guidelines and style, as well as some important information on copyleft and basic stuff like how to edit a page. If you need help, check out Help, or post a message in the travellers' pub. New users are also welcome to post any questions or concerns to the arrivals lounge. If you are familiar with Wikipedia, take a look over some of the differences here. If you want to contribute with information about the place where you live, see Wikivoyage:Welcome, locals.--Ypsilon (talk) 13:33, 16 November 2020 (UTC)

Good job getting started, but please have a look at WV:No advice from Captain Obvious. The Respect section of a country article is meant to inform travellers how to avoid inadvertently offending locals due to cultural differences. It's not necessary to tell travellers to avoid actions which are offensive everywhere, such as desecrating a national flag or using racial slurs; refraining from doing these is common sense. All the best, ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 15:57, 16 November 2020 (UTC)
Hi again. I'd also ask you to please refrain from copying directly from Wikitravel, even when you're the original author on both sites. We have tried very hard over the years to differentiate our content from that of Wikitravel, so it doesn't help us for you to make our articles resemble theirs more closely. Basically, if you think some information is important to share on both websites, please think of two different ways to word it, one for Wikivoyage and one for Wikitravel. You can read Wikivoyage and Wikitravel for more information, and let me know if you have any questions. Regards, ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 09:05, 17 November 2020 (UTC)
If you have not done so yet, you might have a look at Talk:India. I think some things there need more comment. Pashley (talk) 07:36, 24 November 2020 (UTC)

Copying from Wikitravel (again)[edit]

Thank you for your contributions, but please heed this warning, your second one now, about copying text from Wikitravel to Wikivoyage, as you did in this series of edits to United States of America. This is a matter that we take seriously, and we need you to refrain from doing this for the reasons ThunderingTyphoons! mentioned above. -- AndreCarrotflower (talk) 04:09, 5 January 2021 (UTC)

Thank you for letting me know. I'll try my best to not do that. Roovinn (talk) 07:34, 5 January 2021 (UTC)

France[edit]

Hi. I just wanted to thank you for your good work on cutting back overly-detailed and repetitious content from the France article. Some of that stuff had been in place for so long, that it needed a fresh pair of eyes to "see the wood among the trees". You've probably noticed that I've been following your edits with tweaks, clean-ups and the occasional revert, and the resulting passages are far better than they were before your edits. All the best, ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 14:56, 13 January 2021 (UTC)

Thank you for the kind words! Glad to have been of help! Roovinn (talk) 01:04, 14 January 2021 (UTC)

Writing style[edit]

I understand your desire to trim down some excessive fluff, but do note that unlike Wikipedia, we encourage a lively writing style here. There is certainly a fine balance here, and we don't want the language to be over the top flowery like what you will find in poetry or novels, but at the same time, we do not want a dry writing style like what you see in scientific journal articles. We want our content here to be able to capture the excitement of travel, so instead of just saying "You can visit X" and leave it at that, we should most certainly say why such a place is worth a visit. The dog2 (talk) 06:51, 15 January 2021 (UTC)

Where do you get your 'Respect' information from?[edit]

Hi Roovinn; hope you're well. Nobody knows the etiquette of dozens of countries (for example, the content you've added to Luxembourg) without doing some research, so I'm assuming you have some sources and would be interested to know what they are.--ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 09:26, 25 February 2021 (UTC)

Hello there ThunderingTyphoons!, nice of you to stop by! I use a variety of sources, namely the following: Comnmisceo Global, Cultural Atlas, and E-Diplomat. I also occasionally run a google search or two to see if there's something of relevance to add. Hope this helps! Roovinn (talk) 12:19, 26 February 2021 (UTC)
Also, forgot to add, this one is extremely useful: From the Government of Canada. Roovinn (talk) 12:21, 26 February 2021 (UTC)
Please cite your sources in edit summaries each time you summarize or paraphrase from them. I trust you are using your own words? Ikan Kekek (talk) 12:40, 26 February 2021 (UTC)
Will cite/paraphrase next time. Thanks for the heads up. And yes, am using my own words. Roovinn (talk) 12:45, 26 February 2021 (UTC)
Cheers, Roovinn. Enjoy your weekend.--ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 18:27, 26 February 2021 (UTC)
Thanks for your valuable work, Roovinn. Ikan Kekek (talk) 21:49, 26 February 2021 (UTC)
My pleasure guys! Roovinn (talk) 03:35, 27 February 2021 (UTC)

Polish universities[edit]

I saw your editing Poland#Learn, so I hope you know: it now says "Foreign students can finance a B.A. education for as low as 24,000 zł [...]." Do you know whether that is true as of 2021? An "as of" year should be included, as things can change pretty fast and a sentence can remain unedited for many years. It seems this is from baccalaureate to B.A./master (which should be said explicitly: somebody could think by year). You added that tuition fees are low. So it seems the convoluted wording mean that tuition fees for a B.A. degree are 24,000 zł (three years, i.e. 8,000 zŧ/year), and tuition fees for a master's 20,000 zł (i.e. 10,000/year for the additional two years). Did I understand correctly? It says "can", do the fees vary between universities/programmes? –LPfi (talk) 12:33, 16 April 2021 (UTC)

I don't quite understand what you mean. All I did was copyedit whatever was on that section. The section has since been rewritten into something more presentable. Roovinn (talk) 17:59, 17 April 2021 (UTC)
I wondered whether the sums were still correct and what they included. But if you don't know, never mind. And now they are removed, which is better if we don't know. –LPfi (talk) 18:21, 17 April 2021 (UTC)

Rewording and condensing[edit]

I appreciate your effort to shorten wordy passages, but I'd request your being very careful when adjusting articles on places you don't know.

In Finland you changed

The larger cities nowadays all have Finnish majority, but e.g. the municipalities of Närpes, Korsnäs and Larsmo are more or less exclusively Swedish-speaking, as is the small autonomous province of Åland and much of the countryside elsewhere in the Swedish speaking areas. In Åland and the Swedish parts of Ostrobothina, people typically speak little or no Finnish. In traditionally Swedish-majority towns like Vaasa (Vasa) and Porvoo (Borgå) nearly half the population is Swedish-speaking and ...

into

Swedish speakers can be found in areas close to the Swedish border, Närpes, Korsnäs, Larsmo, Vaasa, Porvoo and the Åland Islands. In cities like Helsinki and Turku, most people know enough of Swedish to deal with simple conservations.

From where did you get the wording about border areas? Out of thin air? The parts of Sweden that are close to the border are in fact traditionally Finnish speaking! No Swedish speaking Finns for hundreds of kilometres from there.

And the linked places were given as examples. Swedish is the majority language of the Ostrobothnia province, so you'll find Swedish speakers all around. And Turku has Åbo Akademi University, a Swedish-speaking university, with all cultural life in Swedish you'd expect from a university town.

I also think it is important to know there are areas where you hear little or no Finnish in the street, and I'd like to give a picture on the cultural dimensions of the bilingualism, to understand the country better. One can of course argue about how much space one should be used for that.

LPfi (talk) 05:56, 23 May 2021 (UTC)

Hi there LPfi and thanks for your input. For the Swedish speaking thing, I used this map over here: [1] and whatever was written there previously, I condensed it. I'll admit, I'm not from Finland nor do I know about the place 100%, but I have mentioned a few sources in my edit summaries when making edits to anything Finland-related. Roovinn (talk) 07:01, 23 May 2021 (UTC)
So from were did you deduce there are Swedish speakers along the border? Didn' you notice that there is a sea between Swedish-speaking Ostrobothnia and Sweden (it said "coastal areas" earlier, if I'm not mistaken)? And why did you think it suffices to mention a few municipalities (with a forth of the Swedish speaking population)? I appreciate your efforts, but with little (?) local knowledge you need to be especially careful. You might also want to ping me, so that I can check your edits – sometimes there are important things said subtly, or a nuance carefully chosen, which one might not understand are important. –LPfi (talk) 07:21, 23 May 2021 (UTC)
For sure! You know the place much better than I do (I've only been to Finland once in my whole life). As for the Swedish-speaking areas, I'll admit, it was an honest, small mistake on my part. I thought those areas were close to the border, and I thought it would've been okay to mention those municipalities. Roovinn (talk) 07:39, 23 May 2021 (UTC)
They were relatively close before the days of the car :-) and are still in that there is a ferry and people watch TV from behind the sea. But with "close to the border" people think about the land borders. Nothing wrong with mentioning the municipalities, but the wording gave the expression these were the only places, while along most of the coast (with the area closest to Sweden the main exception) Swedish is the primary language.
Anyway: thank you for your understanding. I'll try to take a look at the section when I've got the time, to see whether I can improve it.
LPfi (talk) 11:30, 23 May 2021 (UTC)