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No sleeping places on overnight EuroCity trains?[edit]

I bought my InterRail trips for this summer on this Saturday. What I found strange was that I was told there are no sleeping places available at all on the overnight EuroCity trains between Copenhagen and Hamburg. So far I've been able to sleep on an overnight train, it has been a shared private cabin with at most one or two other, entirely unknown, people. I have had no problems whatsoever. But now I think I'm supposed to sleep sitting down on a chair, with no private cabin. This causes two important questions: Will I even be able to get any sleep? And will this make me a target for theft? I will be bringing a large backpack weighing almost 10 kg, but I'll also be bringing a DSLR camera and all my travel documents in separate bags. I will try to search for trains with private sleeping cabins, but if I don't find any by middle June, this is what I have to go with. Are there any risks involved here? Asked by: JIP (talk) 21:17, 11 April 2015 (UTC)

EuroCity is a day train service. This web site is a petition to stop the railways from shutting down night train services and it says on this page that the Copenhagen-Hamburg night trains (a City Night Line service) were to be shut down in December of last year. —The preceding comment was added by (talkcontribs)
To the one above me: Please sign your contributions! And to the topic: Who killed the night train? How can getting to your destination while sleeping not be "profitable enough" or any other excuse reason given to shut them down? Anyway, I hope you enjoy your trip even with these obstacles... Hobbitschuster (talk) 08:23, 12 April 2015 (UTC)
It's sad to see decline in sleeper trains as a general trend not only in Europe, but also in Japan recently. JIP, I would not be worried about security, I always felt safe when traveling in EC trains anywhere in western and northern Europe. But I think you might not get any decent sleep without a bed... Danapit (talk) 11:19, 12 April 2015 (UTC)
Shutting down the sleeper trains between Scandinavia and Germany is alarming news to me. Pretty much the entire trip depends on them. I have found that there are plenty of sleeper trains within Central Europe, but I'd have to reach Central Europe first. Stockholm is too far away for me to reach Central Europe during the same evening, especially since I can only leave Stockholm about noon or a bit earlier. I might possibly have to stay overnight in Copenhagen and leave in very early morning. The trouble is, I'll also have to do this on the way back. I will have to keep searching for options. Luckily the trip is still two and a half months away. JIP (talk) 18:43, 12 April 2015 (UTC)
Precisely for that reason I advised you above to take the ferry from Turku to Stockholm instead — as you're 3.5 hours earlier in Stockholm (compared to the ferry from Helsinki) you can commence your train trip already in the morning instead of at midday, be in Copenhagen already in the afternoon, in Germany in the evening, and be able to take a night train across Germany where they apparently still run.
I would also advise for your trip back to start from Austria sometime at midday, be in Munich in the evening and take a night train across Germany, and start the section from northern Germany through Denmark and Sweden in the morning and be in Stockholm late in the evening. ϒpsilon (talk) 18:57, 12 April 2015 (UTC)
I'll keep that in mind. I have already bought the main InterRail ticket and place reservations for every train except the EC trains between Denmark and Germany. I don't think they're refundable, but if I miss the trains, it's only a loss of about 5 - 10 € per train. The bulk of the train trip costs goes to the InterRail ticket itself, which I have to use anyway. I haven't bought the ship tickets yet. I'll try to search for connections between Stockholm and Central Europe with Viking Grace instead of Viking Mariella or Gabriella. I'll also have to reserve train tickets to Turku and back in that case, but that is fairly trivial. It will add a cost of about 70 €, but that is less than one single night at a hotel room in Sweden or Denmark. JIP (talk) 19:09, 12 April 2015 (UTC)
I already found an option that avoids sleeping sitting up on an EC train. I have to leave from Turku instead of Helsinki, so I can get to Stockholm railway station before 10 AM. There's a train connection that reaches Germany in the same evening, and there's a CNL connection further south. The last leg to Ljubljana is by bus, but as it's in daytime, I think I can manage it. On the way back, I can only leave Pörtschach at about 5 PM. As I have to check out from the hotel about 5 hours before that I have to simply wander about the (rather small) city or just sit down for hours. The connection reaches Stockholm at about 9:30 PM the next day. There are no ships to anywhere in Finland that late, so I have to spend the night in Stockholm anyway. Luckily I have already reserved a hotel room there, near Masthamnen. Then it's simply a matter of whether to go directly to Helsinki or via Turku. Going by Turku is faster but then I have to spend additional money on the train trip to Helsinki. If I go directly to Helsinki I have to spend the night at sea, going via Turku I arrive in Helsinki already at midnight. JIP (talk) 19:24, 12 April 2015 (UTC)
I have the impression it is much easier to get cheap tickets for the Turku ships than for the Helsinki ones. The day ship to Turku should be much cheaper than the overnight ship to Helsinki also with standard prices. The difference could pay the train. --LPfi (talk) 22:04, 12 April 2015 (UTC)
I think I have to go with Viking Grace via Turku on both directions. Departing by Viking Grace is absolutely vital. If I were to go by Viking Gabriella or Mariella from Helsinki I would have about five minutes to get from the ship to the railway station. This is impossible. However, with Viking Grace, I have about two or three hours time to get from the ship to the railway station. I can do this at my leisure. Previous experience has shown it takes me a little over an hour to walk all the way, with a heavy backpack on my back. There is a bus and taxi station right at front of the terminal, but even that couldn't get me to the railway station in five minutes. On the way back, I have to spend the night in Stockholm anyway, so it's going to be a choice whether to go by Viking Gabriella or Mariella directly to Helsinki or by Viking Grace via Turku. So far Viking Grace seems the better option. My hotel is already less than a kilometre away from Masthamnen. I won't have the time to spend a full day in Stockholm, and won't have a place to leave my backpack to. So I'd better get to Finland as soon as possible. I'll be arriving in Helsinki at midnight on the same day as I leave Stockholm. JIP (talk) 20:48, 14 April 2015 (UTC)
The ship from Turku to Stockholm and back cost me 120 € all together. I had to book a cabin in both directions. On the way to Stockholm, I had no option other than book a cabin, as I have to spend the night at sea. On the way back to Turku, I decided to also book a cabin, as the trip is going to take about half a day and I need a place to put my large backpack to. On the way to Stockholm, I have an event in central Turku the previous day, so going by Viking Grace is a natural option. On the way back, it's simply a matter of which is faster. I will only visit Turku to get on the train to Helsinki. But arriving in Helsinki at midnight instead of late in the next morning seems a better idea. There's the risk that if I miss the train, I will have to stay overnight in Turku, and I have no place there. But I am thinking the ship and train routes are so well connected that risk is infitesimal. JIP (talk) 21:44, 19 April 2015 (UTC)

Ljubljana bus station[edit]

I just made different arrangements on my upcoming InterRail trip from Stockholm to Ljubljana and back. On the last leg of my journey to Ljubljana, I have to take a bus from Munich Hackerbrücke to Ljubljana bus station. I think I can find Munich Hackerbrücke fairly easily as there are internal connections between it and the central railway station. But I don't have any idea where Ljubljana bus station is. I have never been to Ljubljana at all. My hotel is only a few hundred meters from the central railway station, but is the bus station anywhere nearby? If it's only about one or two kilometres away, I think I can walk all the way. But if it's something like ten or twenty kilometres away, I have to use Ljubljana public transport, and currently I have no idea how to do that. Asked by: JIP (talk) 21:17, 19 April 2015 (UTC)

I have been to Ljubljana on the last summer, but I saw the bus station only while I was on my car. Said that, as it's written on Ljubljana article, "Ljubljana bus station (avtobusna postaja) is right next to the train station" so I think that you'll find it easily. For more information you can visit the website of the Ljubljana Bus Station. --Lkcl it (Talk) 18:02, 20 April 2015 (UTC)
The website of the Ljubljana Bus Station was the first place I looked at. I don't understand Slovene, but it's available in English too. Sadly, I could find no information whatsoever about where it is located, only about where I can take a bus to and at what time. I had better luck with Google Maps. But if it's right next to the train station, I can walk all the way to my hotel at my leisure. JIP (talk) 18:49, 20 April 2015 (UTC)

Storage lockers at Turku harbour[edit]

I've decided to depart on my annual InterRail trip from Turku, not from Helsinki, for the first time. This decision was influenced by two things:

  1. The ships from Helsinki arrive far too late for me to reach Germany the same day. And for some mysterious reason, Europe has decided to close down the night trains with sleeping cabins between Denmark and Germany.
  2. I have another event in Turku just the same weekend. It doesn't make much sense to go back to Helsinki just to come back to Turku a few hours later.

Now I will be carrying a large backpack on the InterRail trip. I have to take it already to my event in Turku. There are about eight hours between when I have to check out from my hotel and when I have to leave to Stockholm. That's quite a long time to carry a backpack weighing almost 10 kg.

I am thinking of leaving the backpack at a storage locker in Turku harbour, but is that possible? I've heard there are storage lockers there, but are they big enough? For further information, the backpack is a heavy-duty backpack for scouts and wilderness travellers. It's not one of those small backpacks you see women between 40 and 60 years carry their purse and other everyday belongings in on their normal workdays. I haven't measured it yet, but I think it's about a metre tall. It fits easily into the largest storage lockers available at Stockholm central railway station, but not the smallest ones, if that's of any help. Does anyone know if it's possible to store it in Turku harbour? Asked by: JIP (talk) 19:29, 21 April 2015 (UTC)

I guess User:LPfi would know best. ϒpsilon (talk) 19:38, 21 April 2015 (UTC)
LPfi said he/she doesn't know, he/she only uses Turku harbour for travelling, not for storage. LPfi advised me to contact Viking Line and ask. There is a storage room at my hotel, but it's unlocked and unguarded, so I'm worried about risk of theft. I'm kind of paranoid about this kind of thing. I've had both my phone and my wallet stolen in Helsinki (on different occasions) and my camera stolen in Stockholm. JIP (talk) 20:23, 23 April 2015 (UTC)
According to this, Viking Line seems to have some sort of lockers in the terminal. ϒpsilon (talk) 08:36, 24 April 2015 (UTC)

Money in Siberia[edit]

Asked by: 06:26, 22 April 2015 (UTC) Please may I know what kind of money they use in Seberia.thanks it is in Russia.

As it is in Russia, I would figure they use the Russian rouble. JIP (talk) 07:35, 22 April 2015 (UTC)

Where to go in Lapland?[edit]

My father's and my annual trip to Lapland is coming up in early August. We just don't know where to go yet. My father likes fishing, he's done it since his teenage years. I'm not particularly interested in fishing. I don't even know anything about it. My father said it doesn't have to concentrate on fishing. Finnish Lapland is a preferred option, but we might as well go to Swedish or Norwegian Lapland.

Places we've already been to include Rovaniemi, Kolari, Salla, Savukoski, Utsjoki and Kilpisjärvi in Finland, Kiruna and Tärnaby in Sweden, and Tromsø, Alta, Nordkapp, Lofoten, Mo i Rana and Kirkenes in Norway. We've even been to Iceland once. My father has a lifelong dream of visiting Svalbard, but so far it has been unreasonable because it's a cold, desolate place and so far away that flights for two people from Helsinki to there and back cost well over 1000 €.

I might like to see the far north of Norwegian Lapland again, especially Tromsø. I've been there twice but I don't have any pictures of there yet. Swedish or Norwegian Lapland is more exotic and therefore more attractive, but Finnish Lapland is easier and cheaper to get to, and easier to come along with, as both I and my father speak Finnish natively. I speak Swedish fluently, my father speaks very little Swedish. Neither of us speak Norwegian or Icelandic. But I'd prefer to go to a place we've never been to before. Asked by: JIP (talk) 18:45, 26 April 2015 (UTC)

Have you considered visiting Russian Lapland? -- AndreCarrotflower (talk) 19:23, 26 April 2015 (UTC)
Not so far. We've been near the border numerous times, but have never actually gone there. The reason is that the border to Russia is the only one of Finland's three borders not to be freely crossable, it requires a visa. I have been to Russia three times in my life. Once when it was still a part of the Soviet Union and two times when it was independent. All of these were to to Leningrad/St. Petersburg area. I've never been to anywhere in Russia beyond that. But actually as of now I don't even have any interest in visiting Russian Lapland. Are there any places there you could recommend? And it has to be taken into account this is not solely up to me. I have to discuss it with my father first. Also, neither of speak any Russian. Of the languages spoken in Lapland, Russian is the one we understand the least. Neither of us can manage anything beyond a few basic greetings or "yes/no". Even Sámi is a better understandable language for us. JIP (talk) 19:52, 26 April 2015 (UTC)
I asked my father about Russian Lapland, i.e. mainly Murmansk Oblast, and he was intrigued by the idea, as neither of us have ever been there. The only problems he could see were that the locals tend not to let tourists to the best fishing rivers, it could be unsafe for a solitary tourist to venture very far out there (although there will be two of us, both fully mature men, but neither of us understand any Russian), and that Murmansk is a poor city by western Russian standards, so there might not be very much to see there. Another option is to see the far north of Norwegian Lapland again. It's been a decade since I've last been there. JIP (talk) 19:08, 27 April 2015 (UTC)

Ljubljana and Pörtschach am Wörthersee[edit]

My upcoming InterRail trip is now settled, I'm going first to Ljubljana, then to Pörtschach am Wörthersee. The reason I'm going to Pörtschach am Wörthersee is the World Bodypainting Festival, which is going to take up most of my time there.

I have no idea what I'm going to do in Ljubljana. I have about two and a half days to spend there, in the switch from June to July. My hotel is practically right next to the railway station. Generally, I like museums, parks, interesting architecture, historical sites, restaurants serving local food, and pubs. Is there something to recommend according to this near the centre of Ljubljana?

After the World Bodypainting Festival has ended, I still have about four to six hours left to spend in Pörtschach am Wörthersee. The festival ends at midnight, so I'm heading straight back to my hotel to sleep. But the next day, my train leaves only about four to six hours after I leave my hotel. What is there to see in Pörtschach am Wörthersee during that time?

I have been to Pörtschach am Wörthersee three times now but never to Ljubljana. I understand Ljubljana is quite a big city and has internal transport. Pörtschach am Wörthersee doesn't seem to have one, people go by foot or drive their own cars. Asked by: JIP (talk) 21:03, 28 April 2015 (UTC)

Is there no article on the place on either de-WV or en-WV? And as to Ljubljana... We have a page on it (and would be glad to see you contribute to it once you've been there). Best wishes and bon voyage Hobbitschuster (talk) 21:19, 28 April 2015 (UTC)
There is, but all it really contains is information I already know, about the World Bodypainting Festival, hotels, and bars. I figure almost half of the information is what I've added myself. I'll have another look at the Ljubljana page in the near future. JIP (talk) 21:42, 28 April 2015 (UTC)
Ok, and thanks for your contributions. Funnily enough the German article is only an empty outline Hobbitschuster (talk) 22:13, 28 April 2015 (UTC)
Our Ljubljana article is at Guide status, which means it should contain enough information for getting in and spending a couple of days at the destination. Also, if you find something interesting during your visit, feel free to add it to the articles. :) ϒpsilon (talk) 19:44, 1 May 2015 (UTC)
As I have said I have been to Ljubljana only for one day, so I can't help you very much. Btw if you want to move from Ljubljana for a one day trip I suggest to go to Bled.--Lkcl it (Talk) 08:14, 2 May 2015 (UTC)

Communication in Murmansk[edit]

If my father and I were to go to Murmansk this August, would it be possible to communicate with the locals in English? Neither of us speak or understand pretty much any Russian. Murmansk is somewhat near the border to Finland and Norway, but I very much doubt any of the locals would understand any Finnish or Norwegian. When I was in St. Petersburg in summer 2002, I found that only few of the locals understood English to a passable degree. Gestures and pointing at things helped. When I asked the locals how much something costs, they mostly typed the amount out on a calculator. And this was in St. Petersburg. Murmansk is a much smaller and more remote city. Will we be able to communicate with the locals? Asked by: JIP (talk) 18:50, 1 May 2015 (UTC)

In Russia, outside of St.Petersburg and Moscow I have the impression that only younger people and those who professionally deal with foreign tourists (hotel and airport staff) can speak English. And by no means everyone of them. ϒpsilon (talk) 19:35, 1 May 2015 (UTC)


One day cruise tour of Tangier. 4 choices on offer. One is cycling not an option. One is city tour. One is Kings Palace area not included visit. One is Artist's Village sounds good. Average price £37 pp. Which one should I pre-book? Don't fancy a taxi tour. Thanks. 23:29, 2 May 2015 (UTC) Asked by: 23:29, 2 May 2015 (UTC)

I would choose the city tour, because I prefer many different attractions instead of just one.
BTW you may want to take a look at our Tangier article; it may not be perfect but it's still usable. ϒpsilon (talk) 10:44, 3 May 2015 (UTC)
If you find something there after or during your stay we - and the travelers that come after you - would much appreciate a contribution (if only correcting a typo) to said article. Hobbitschuster (talk) 14:37, 3 May 2015 (UTC)

Where to go in Europe: balancing out safety, major landmarks and other things[edit]

So, if I (and another person, went to Europe (I'm hoping to go sometime in the next ten years), my top choices would be London (because of the Tower Bridge, London Eye, Buckingham Palace, Big Ben, Houses of Parliament, etc. and they speak English), Paris (because of the Eiffel Tower, Arc de Triomphe, and general scenery), and Helsinki (looks very safe, has some landmarks [Uspenski Cathedral, etc.] that are very nice, albeit not famous as landmarks in London and Paris). The bad thing is, London and Paris sounds dangerous (I could go in a less than safe city in the United States, but not exactly in a different continent. Plus, I don't like the thoughts of "men who will try to tie strings on your finger" may approach us. Then you have the fact to consider that I don't know hardly any French or Finnish. The main bad thing about Helsinki is it lacks very much to do, and if you say "I got to see the Helsinki Cathedral", it's not the same as "I got to see the Eiffel Tower". So, thoughts on which of the three would be the best option? Thanks, Asked by: AmaryllisGardener (talk) 14:43, 4 May 2015 (UTC)