Talk:Bangkok/Yaowarat and Phahurat

Bangkok/Yaowarat and Pahurat Star Discussion

I've put effort in this article to try to make it qualify for star status. It must be the best guide on this area, far better than the available commercial guides. --(WT-en) globe-trotter 09:51, 12 July 2010 (EDT)

• Very close - I think this is a very solid nomination. The info is good, the map is great, and there seems to be a solid number of listings. But there are a few small things which stop me from giving a full vote of support - forgive the nitpicking, but it's necessary:

1. The first, and really the most important one in my mind, is that many of the listings lack a proper amount of address info, just the street (I'll use Wat Chakrawat as an example, but there are others). I understand that a formal address may not exist (and even if it did, it might not be very useful in such a complex district), but surely there could be more info. Perhaps an intersection, or which two streets the place lies between? Something to give me a better idea of exactly where it's located.
2. Purely aesthetic, but when I opened the article I was struck by the solid wall of text in the introduction. Could we divide that into a couple more paragraphs? Just so it doesn't look so intimidating...
3. Two budget eat listings, Yen Ta Fo Je Hieng and Samrat, lack prices. Also, could we have one of those price range boxes in the Eat section, like the one you have in Sleep?
4. Texas Hotel lacks contact info and prices. (WT-en) PerryPlanet ^Talk 17:43, 12 July 2010 (EDT)

Thanks for your input! Let me go at this case by case:

1. I've tried to add descriptions to some of the listings, if you're still unsatisfied, let me know which listings you'd like to be improved. Getting addresses is really a headache, I've really tried my best to find any I can, so descriptions will have to suffice (especially with the temples).
2. I moved a part of the introduction to "Understand" to make it feel a bit less intimidating. I hope that's okay.
3. I've added prices to the 2 restaurants and added the price range box.
4. I removed the Texas Hotel as it was added by someone else, but as far as I know it, I don't think its a great add anyway (and I cannot find contact details anywhere). --(WT-en) globe-trotter 19:48, 12 July 2010 (EDT)

Much better! I will support now! (WT-en) PerryPlanet ^Talk 20:07, 12 July 2010 (EDT)

A few suggestions/questions

1. The intro appears almost only to talk about Yaowarat and not about Pahurat. Maybe one or two sentences about Pahurat could be added
2. History: Teochew is the old spelling, should be replaced by Chaozhou
3. It appears a bit random whether the name of listings are written in Thai as well. It could be considered to add the Thai name for more listings
4. Are there no splurge restaurants in the district?
5. There must be somewhere in the district where you can have a drink or a beer?
6. Are there no splurge hotels in the district?, --(WT-en) ClausHansen 02:30, 18 July 2010 (EDT)

I'm with Claus on the consistency in Thai names, I know it's tricky since I tried searching for a few of them to have them added, with little luck - but if it all possible, that would be nice. One or two real drink listings would certainly be nice too. But none of those are really show stoppers if it isn't possible to add them, and there is already prose in the drink section... Oh, and nice work! --(WT-en) Stefan (sertmann) ^talk 09:40, 18 July 2010 (EDT)

1. I've added a sentence about Pahurat in there (but it generally is the less visited and less interesting neighborhood of the two)
2. Changed it to Chaozhou
3. You're right that it seems a bit random. The idea I followed is: add it where I can find it. I don't speak Thai so for me its impossible to write it. For the ones listed, I got them from Google or Wikipedia. There's two ways to fix this: 1. get a Thai speaker to add them, or 2. remove them all. Or follow the path I did, Hiroshima also does not have all listings with Japanese characters.
4. There are no splurge restaurants, it is generally a quite "amateurish" neighborhood (as many other Chinatowns around the world)
5. I've roamed around a lot there, but they don't have bars in the traditional sense as most Westerners know it. That's why I added the coffee joints for some drinks, I wouldn't know what else to add there. I did elaborate a bit about Yaowarat's hawker stalls as that's where most people just get some iced chocolate or something.
6. Splurge hotels have the same explanation as splurge eateries — this is not a fancy district, so they don't exist. For that, people go to Sukhumvit or Silom.

--(WT-en) globe-trotter 10:41, 18 July 2010 (EDT)

For the Hiroshima article, it was agreed that the attractions in the "See" section should list the Japanese names and that it would be a good idea to do this for all foreign scripts. (WT-en) ChubbyWimbus 20:41, 21 July 2010 (EDT)

Well, I've spend the whole weekend finding my Thai friends and trying to get the Thai words for the attractions. Even many Thais have no idea how to write many of them, but I have managed to find all of the See section except for Wat Ga Buang Kim -- but this temple is so unbelievably small and unknown, the only way to find it is if I go back there to ask. I hope its okay now with the Thai scripts. --(WT-en) globe-trotter 12:49, 28 July 2010 (EDT)

• Support. It's a fantastic article, with a beautiful map, and I'll enjoy turning Thailand pink on the map. I haven't yet had an opportunity to give it a close read, but will try to remember to do so—even after starring. --(WT-en) Peter ^Talk 22:11, 14 August 2010 (EDT)
• Support It's an excellent article and it paves the road for the rest of Bangkok. (WT-en) jan 11:46, 25 August 2010 (EDT)
• Support Looks good to me. (WT-en) Peter (Southwood) ^Talk 08:22, 5 September 2010 (EDT)

It is now over a month since the last comment, and there don't seem to be any unresolved problems. Go ahead and clap on the Star, Globe-trotter. -- (WT-en) Peter (Southwood) ^Talk 03:53, 14 October 2010 (EDT)

Result: Promoted. --(WT-en) globe-trotter