Talk:Long Island

"Eat," "Do," listings, etc.

It seems to me that at this level of regionality, there should be no specific listings of restaurants at all. I'm unsure about amusement parks, and I think that some selected museums might be OK to list. The biggest shopping malls might be reasonable to list, because that's so much of what Long Island is. But the thing is, there are articles about Nassau and Suffolk Counties, so if we list so much stuff here, what's the point of having those articles? And then, what about articles about towns (e.g., shouldn't Smithhaven Mall be covered in an article about Smithtown, though it seems no-one has yet started such an article)? Let's try to reach a consensus on just what should be listed in this article. (WT-en) Ikan Kekek 02:18, 10 November 2011 (EST)

Movetocity again

No-one has done anything about this since Nov, 2011, apparently. If no-one does anything soon, I will move all the specific listings out of this article, either to already-existing city articles or, if all else fails, to this page. Ikan Kekek (talk) 19:56, 10 March 2016 (UTC)

I know it’s been five years, but you don’t have to do that. JTZegers (talk) 16:59, 28 May 2021 (UTC)

Would you like to do it? See if there are already duplicate listings in the relevant city articles and if not, please move them. I agree that I have better things to do with my time. :-) Ikan Kekek (talk) 14:05, 30 May 2021 (UTC)

I've done this to the best of my ability. It would be helpful 9f someone familiar with the area could take a look to see if I have moved listingsvto the correct places. I think that that next time someone starts dropped listings into this article, they should just be deleted. I won't be cleaning this up again. Ground Zero (talk) 14:14, 15 December 2021 (UTC)

More village articles?

I said the same thing on the Nassau County discussion, and I’m trying not to troll anyone, but do you think there should be articles just for the villages? Obviously, I wouldn’t just jump in the water and swim by making none article for every village, but they are all different, and I think it would help travelers a lot. Let me know, in my talk page or here, whatever works for you. JTZegers (talk) 16:56, 28 May 2021 (UTC)

@JTZegers:I think the issue here is that region articles should not have listings for museums and restaurants. The detailed information should be at the city/town level. The region article should describe in paragraph firm what to see and do, and direct the reader to the city/town article for the details. As far as the Eat section, if it is used in a region article (and it doesn't have to be), ìt should tell the reader what the region's specialties are.

As far as village articles go, if you have enough information on a village to make an article worthwhile -- a few things to see and do, pladesvto wat and sleep -- then go to it. What doesn't help the reader, though, is an article that just says that the village exists and provides no practical travel information. Sometimes we get excited new contributors who create a bunch of skeleton articles, then leave Wikivoyage before building any of them out. We try to discourage that. Ground Zero (talk) 20:29, 28 May 2021 (UTC)

In New York State, every village is in a town (sometimes divided between two or more towns; not sure if there are any such on Long Island). If a village does not warrant its own article, I recommend placing the village's listings in the town's article. Just make sure that the address field includes the village name. Nelson Ricardo (talk) 01:16, 29 May 2021 (UTC)

@Nelson Ricardo 2500:I know a bit about Long Island. My dad grew up there. I've been there a lot.

Long Island is mainly divided into "hamlets", which in New York State are smaller towns within parts of the town. So if you are in a place like Wantagh, the government is controlled by the town of Hempstead, not by the village itself. Another great example is with Montauk, which is really controlled by East Hampton.

Furthermore, Long Island isn't just Nassau and Suffolk counties, it's also Queens and Brooklyn.--JTZegers (talk) 16:26, 29 May 2021 (UTC)

I apply my recommendation about villages to hamlets as well. You are correct, of course, that Brooklyn and Queens are geographically on Long Island, but they are politically (and some would say "culturally") part of New York City, and should be treated as such by any travel guide. Nelson Ricardo (talk) 20:45, 29 May 2021 (UTC)

Indeed. Geographically, Queens and Brooklyn are part of Long Island, but in almost every other way, they are not, and they are not considered as such in Wikivoyage's breadcrumb navigation, but instead, part of New York City. Ikan Kekek (talk) 06:53, 28 April 2022 (UTC)

"The city's West End"

From the article:

"The city's West End has the greatest concentration of bars and is entirely walkable, though it's a bit of a hike from the train station without a taxi or bus ride."

What city? If you're talking about New York City: (a) it's not part of Long Island; (b) the city (Manhattan) has a West Side; West End is an avenue and I can't think of any bars on it. Ikan Kekek (talk) 06:51, 28 April 2022 (UTC)