Talk:Motels
Add topicLatest comment: 9 years ago by Ikan Kekek
Aren't we splitting the hair in two here? This seems a bit of a more verbose version of what we already have @ Hotels#Motels, with a bit of unnecessary Wikipedia springled on top. PrinceGloria (talk) 05:25, 9 April 2015 (UTC)
- I don't see the copying from w:Motel, and I'm going to say no. This is a somewhat longer article that's appropriately excerpted in Hotels. Ikan Kekek (talk) 07:17, 9 April 2015 (UTC)
- I am not saying there stuff copypasted from WP, I am saying that the article is inflated with Wikipedia-appropriate (and not WV-appropriate) content. The second paragraph is the type of content that is valuable info on Wikipedia and completely unnecessary trivia at WP. I'd re-merge to Hotels, that section was far from unwieldy. PrinceGloria (talk) 13:02, 9 April 2015 (UTC)
- It seems like very brief background to me that could be interesting to some travelers, and it's given context with appropriate Wikivoyage links. I'm not so sure it's a good idea to merge this to Hotels — not because this article is so long, but because that one is. Otherwise, all things being equal, I'd be neutral on that proposal. Ikan Kekek (talk) 09:52, 10 April 2015 (UTC)
- We are here to provide guidance and useeful advice, not interesting stuff. Anyways, if you're neutral let's see what others say, as for now the discussion is leaning towards merging ;) PrinceGloria (talk) 11:14, 10 April 2015 (UTC)
- I'm not neutral, for the reason I state above: the length of the Hotels article. Ikan Kekek (talk) 11:22, 10 April 2015 (UTC)
- If you take out stuff that is "interesting" it will be a short paragraph. Some info is also wrong - according to the French Wikipedia article (and my knowledge), a motel in French means an establishment only found in the US or Canada. IF we need to break up "hotels", I'd start with top-level sections, like types of rooms, types of hotels or such. PrinceGloria (talk) 11:32, 10 April 2015 (UTC)
- I'm not neutral, for the reason I state above: the length of the Hotels article. Ikan Kekek (talk) 11:22, 10 April 2015 (UTC)
- We are here to provide guidance and useeful advice, not interesting stuff. Anyways, if you're neutral let's see what others say, as for now the discussion is leaning towards merging ;) PrinceGloria (talk) 11:14, 10 April 2015 (UTC)
- It seems like very brief background to me that could be interesting to some travelers, and it's given context with appropriate Wikivoyage links. I'm not so sure it's a good idea to merge this to Hotels — not because this article is so long, but because that one is. Otherwise, all things being equal, I'd be neutral on that proposal. Ikan Kekek (talk) 09:52, 10 April 2015 (UTC)
- I am not saying there stuff copypasted from WP, I am saying that the article is inflated with Wikipedia-appropriate (and not WV-appropriate) content. The second paragraph is the type of content that is valuable info on Wikipedia and completely unnecessary trivia at WP. I'd re-merge to Hotels, that section was far from unwieldy. PrinceGloria (talk) 13:02, 9 April 2015 (UTC)
A motel or "motor hotel" is a type of hotel, and properly broken out as such, although I'd change "usually at two-star level" to "one or two-star level" as these were low-end properties even when they were built (1950s to 1970s) and some have not stood the test of time well. Nonetheless, this does look to be somewhat related to travel and is therefore likely a valid travel topic. Accor, a French-owned company, did own Motel 6 until recently (I recall they sold it a year or two ago?) so odds are the French have heard of the concept - even through the brand is going "economy, limited service hotel" like so much else. K7L (talk) 16:36, 10 April 2015 (UTC)
- Of course the French had, anybody in the Western world probably has. But for the most of Europe this is a type of establishment that is found in North America. There are vaguely equivalent hotels in Europe (arguably anything between a Formule 1 and the original Novotels, Scandic Hotels also began as a chain catering to morotists), but trying to shoehorn everything into the vaguely-defined term does not serve any value but filling in this article with content of questionable value.
- Similarly, discussing how many starts should or does a typical motel have serves no value either, as in the main article we clearly explain how the star system (not the Hollywood one!) is of little actual information value to the traveller as it varies greatly from country to country and often does not take into account many facilities travellers might find important. Therefore, we are descending further into collecting bits of subjective trivia. If anything, I could see an article on "accommodation during road trips" or such, but I guess it would be better suited to be a part of a general article on travelling by automobile (I am not sure if we have such - do we?)
- If we indeed want to dabble into trivia pertaining to profiling types of hotels, I'd rather suggest starting an article on types of hotels in general and break out that content from the main article. PrinceGloria (talk) 17:58, 10 April 2015 (UTC)
- OK, I've copied the only paragraph that provides info valuable to travellers back to Hotels. If you believe the section there grew to long, get rid of the passage on the history of motels, it is not necessary for the traveller. Can we now merge? PrinceGloria (talk) 05:39, 13 April 2015 (UTC)
- I don't see a consensus here. Wait to see whether you can achieve one. If you do, I don't care enough to insist. Ikan Kekek (talk) 06:13, 13 April 2015 (UTC)
- OK, I've copied the only paragraph that provides info valuable to travellers back to Hotels. If you believe the section there grew to long, get rid of the passage on the history of motels, it is not necessary for the traveller. Can we now merge? PrinceGloria (talk) 05:39, 13 April 2015 (UTC)