User talk:Cacahuate/2007

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I've added your name to Project:Administrator nominations. I know you're on the road right now, but it would make me pleased as punch if you'd be willing to take on this job. --(WT-en) Evan 01:18, 6 January 2007 (EST)

Hey, just an FYI you can go into your preferences (links up on the right top nav) and check the box to automatically mark your edits as patrolled... I think we can trust you ;-) (WT-en) Maj 23:51, 20 January 2007 (EST)
I've flipped your bits this morning so you're now part of the "sysops" group. You should see some new tabs on each article page, and a few new links (like "rollback" and "block") on other pages. Feel free to ask questions if you need to. You may need to log out and log back in to see the new links and stuff. --(WT-en) Evan 11:23, 21 January 2007 (EST)
Cool, I see them! So far I think I understand, and will go easy with them. Thanks again! (WT-en) ::: Cacahuate 12:11, 21 January 2007 (EST)

Pune CoW[edit]

Thanks for informing me. We'd better dump it into the slush pile for the time being.

pictures are the major problem. (WT-en) Upamanyuwikivoyage 10:12, 6 January 2007 (EST)

Social action?[edit]

Yeah it is, but this trip is gonna be a bit more action, although it will be just as sociable! I'm planning to work on a project in Nairobi called FOCUS, which is basically a Christian project working in the slums of Nairobi which equips people from the local university to help the people in the slums. It should be pretty awesome - I've done similar work in High Schools in Maseru, Lesotho before. This FOCUS project is supported by Tearfund and I'll be out there for about 6 weeks or so. It's gonna be absolutely immense, and living, eating, sleeping Africa is a million times better than staying in the touristy confines of cities and game reserves. Maybe we could have a travel topic on here called making a difference through travel... -- (WT-en) Tim 09:38, 19 January 2007 (EST)


Great work on the Welcomes! (WT-en) Maj 23:17, 20 January 2007 (EST)


Nice cleanups on Swansea, etc! Just wanted to point out to you the templates for hotels, activities, etc... since you're doing so much manual of style work, you might as well convert listings using those  :) If you haven't seen them already, they're accessible right from the "edit" box when you're editing a page, just scroll down a bit... they look like this: listing name="" address="" phone="" email="" fax="" hours="" price="" url=""></listing> Thanks again! ::: Cacahuate 11:57, 22 January 2007 (EST)

Thanks - it had needed doing for sometime. Yes, I had noticed the templates, and if I had used them from the beginning, I would have continued to do so. However, cutting each name, address, telephone number etc, etc and pasting it between the correct brackets is quite laborious and, to be honest, I felt that the general overall effect was about the same. Maybe in the future I can do it slowly, section by section. Anyway, thanks for your feedback and help. (WT-en) Frequenttrekker 22:22, 22 January 2007 (EST)


Thanks for pointing that out to me. I did just have a quick look at this site this guy claims to be from, and its not what i chonqed, so its okay! The one I chonqd was very different, and is definitely not this Dominica search page he mentioned! The one I chonqd is here [1].

As for unchonqing someone, it might be possible, but I'm not going to do it in this case - he added a completely unrelated link to our wiki, which constitutes wikispam. The whole point in spammers spamming wikis is that even when it gets editted out, the link is still sitting in the history pages, and thus whenever search engine bots come and read through all the links on wikivoyage, his will get read, thus increasing his websites page rank. What chonqing a site does (I think!) is submits the offending link to a database of known wikispammers which gets passed onto search engines so that their pageranks are fair... Check out Project:How_to_handle_unwanted_edits#WikiSpam for more info! -- (WT-en) Tim 14:37, 25 January 2007 (EST)

Cool! Thanks! (WT-en) ::: Cacahuate 00:54, 26 January 2007 (EST)

Thanks for the Havelock tip![edit]

Thanks a lot for the advice you gave me when I asked you about the Andamans! We had a great time on Havelock and the Island Vinnie's resort was just right! — (WT-en) Ravikiran 03:08, 31 January 2007 (EST)

Awesome, I'm so glad you had a nice time! Welcome to married life! (WT-en) ::: Cacahuate 02:53, 1 February 2007 (EST)


The timing's gonna be tricky, because I'm flying in on Tuesday night. What time is your flight on Wednesday? (WT-en) Jpatokal 08:26, 4 February 2007 (EST)

That's gonna be a bit of a tight squeeze, because I'm based in Gurgaon (~20km to the south) and am usually stuck at the office until 6 PM. Maybe I could pop into the city for dinner and give you a lift to the airport? Whereabouts are you based in Delhi? (WT-en) Jpatokal 09:03, 4 February 2007 (EST)
OK. I gotta check with my driver (ah, the perks of business travel) tomorrow if he's available Wed night, will let you know by the end of the day. (WT-en) Jpatokal 09:20, 4 February 2007 (EST)
Sorry for the delay, but yup, I've got the driver for all day Wed, so just let me know where to meet up? You can also reach me at +91-987-1842182. (WT-en) Jpatokal 10:48, 6 February 2007 (EST)


I replied so it should be coming shortly... -- (WT-en) Andrew H. (Sapphire) 12:36, 6 February 2007 (EST)

Hi there, you've left India...[edit]

Hey Cacahuate, I believe you're done with the 2 year trip. How was India like?? --(WT-en) Upamanyuwikivoyage 05:17, 9 February 2007 (EST)

Well, fantastic of course! I'm in love with India, which is why I spent 1 of those 2 years there... and I could still come back and see more, such a rich country. But alas, work needs to be done, and that's best done in LA, for me at least! Good work on Shimla, etc by the way! (WT-en) - Cacahuate 21:56, 11 February 2007 (EST)
Great to hear that. Thanks (btw, Shimla is a DotM candiadate now). Am currntly working on [[India {West}]] and hope to work on all the regions of India, so that the country article can be pushed towards a star.

Take care -- (WT-en) Upamanyuwikivoyage 10:12, 16 February 2007 (EST)

Sacred sites of India[edit]

As you suggested, I have set up a page exclusively for Indian sacred sites. If you get time, please take a look. Your changes and suggestions would be very welcome. Thanks. (WT-en) WindHorse 04:26, 18 February 2007 (EST)

North Hollywood[edit]

There doesn't seem to be any consensus yet on how to handle all of the mini-cities in LA (Talk:Hollywood (disambiguation) has some discussion, amongst other places), but I went ahead and created a North Hollywood article rather than put a sleep listing on a regional article - I'm worried that including hotels on region articles opens up a whole new front for the "which nine?" debate that is probably best avoided at all costs. If needed we can always redirect this article later, but it was already linked from the San Fernando Valley article so it probably would have been created eventually anyhow. -- (WT-en) Ryan 04:57, 18 February 2007 (EST)

No worries - that's probably a better solution... at some point I'll create districts for the valley if someone else doesn't do it first (WT-en) - Cacahuate 05:13, 18 February 2007 (EST)


I responded to your question on Shared. I can comb through the licenses and pick out the smallest differences but that will take me a while. -- (WT-en) Sapphire 19:19, 18 February 2007 (EST)


Hi there! Well, that's what I get for being too eager to help out (hehehe). I just noticed that there were a series of edits to Berneray being done by an anonymous IP (that is, an unregistered user: **.**.***.**), who was making mass deletions of information on the page. Since they weren't offering any sort of explanation as to why they were doing what they were doing, there was no way to verify that the deletions they were making were valid. So I reverted all the deletions that person had been making. I see that Wrh2 reverted them even further, so I guess I didn't go far back enough with the edits I made. Anyway, sorry for jumping the gun there. Oh, and yes, I've been doing a lot of work over on WikiCars as well. It's looking better every day, but it'll be quite a while before our community is as large as WT's. We have been trying to take some cues from WT, though, and it's been helpful. - (WT-en) Pastrami on Ry 17:34, 21 February 2007 (EST)

Oh okay then. Glad to know I wasn't causing trouble! =) - (WT-en) Pastrami on Ry 17:42, 21 February 2007 (EST)

Deletion archives[edit]

Hey - probably just an oversight, but in case not I just wanted to leave a quick note to say that if you delete a file that is on the VFD page like Image:Renee zellweger.jpg, be sure to remove the deletion discussion from the VFD page and to archive it on Project:Votes for deletion/February 2007. Let me know if you have any questions. -- (WT-en) Ryan 20:00, 21 February 2007 (EST)

Just wanted to second this, particularly the part about the archiving. It's important to keep archives of the deletions, so that if things get re-created rapidly (as sometimes happens), the archive can be consulted and the offending article can be speedy-deleted. Anyway, thanks for the help with the VFDs. -- (WT-en) Bill-on-the-Hill 23:10, 18 April 2007 (EDT)
Yep, sorry, forgot about that one – (WT-en) cacahuate talk 02:05, 19 April 2007 (EDT)

Map template already being used[edit]

I did not expect anyone to take up using the template that fast, but it seems like User:(WT-en) Alan1989 has already used it to do a map for Carlow. --(WT-en) NJR_ZA 15:50, 23 February 2007 (EST)

Regions in New Mexico[edit]

Uh, why did you make all those changes to the region structure for New Mexico? Both the parenthetical form and non-parenthetical ones are in use for states, and because New Mexico is a fairly well-developed state as regards sub-pages, now there is one heck of a lot of redirect-fixing that needs to be done. Could you at least help on that, please? -- (WT-en) Bill-on-the-Hill 18:57, 23 February 2007 (EST)

Well, thanks much for trying. However, there's now a "cascade" of other problems connected with known glitchiness in the "isIn" breadcrumb code. When the regions got rewired, the breadcrumb trails for most links became busted. I'm working on it. No good deed goes unpunished!... -- (WT-en) Bill-on-the-Hill 17:47, 24 February 2007 (EST)
The ones where I'm seeing trouble are in the North Central region. Haven't checked the others yet. I'm working on them. -- (WT-en) Bill-on-the-Hill 17:54, 24 February 2007 (EST)
I've never seen a solution to the busted-breadcrumbs problems other than the twiddles. This is a known bug, and I think Evan has it on his to-do list. Aha! Did you fix the isIn entries at the end of the articles? -- (WT-en) Bill-on-the-Hill 18:07, 24 February 2007 (EST)
Well, I've found several articles for the state that still have the old isIns. Hacking away... -- (WT-en) Bill-on-the-Hill 18:15, 24 February 2007 (EST)


Thank you for your words. I agree with you about walking in old city.... I miss it too... (WT-en) Webkami 08:48, 26 February 2007 (EST)

Delhi to Jo'burg[edit]

  • Thanks for the site which you recommended. But I will probably have to go via Mumbai since I will be visiting my friends there. In that case, I'll take the non-stop flight on South African. If we choose to go directly from Delhi, I'll follow your advice. Thanks once again ! (WT-en) Upamanyuwikivoyage 04:48, 28 February 2007 (EST)

The fanststic website[edit]

Hey I didn't recommend that site on Ravi's talk page, it was Ravi himself. I agree with you it's a truly wonderful site, I can get type in Bengali, Hindi AND Sanskrit now! Anyway, I'm trying to translate the main wikivoyage pages so that we can launch a Hindi wikivoyage. See (WT-en) this -- (WT-en) Upamanyuwikivoyage( Talk )( (WT-en) Travel ) • 08:06, 13 March 2007 (EDT)



I have some questions for you I'd like to send by email. Can you email me at or post your address here?


Babel in Hindi[edit]

No offence, Cacahuate, but the grammar is tragically wrong.

hi-0 यह सदस्य हिन्दी भाषा में नही है। Literal Translation : This user is not inside the Hindi langauge. You wanted to use the word for cannot comprehend and ended up using नही which means "no" or "is not".

hi-1 यह सदस्य हिन्दी भाषा में मूल है।

hi-2 यह सदस्य हिन्दी भाषा में मध्यवर्ती है।

hi-3 यह सदस्य हिन्दी भाषा में प्रवीण है।

hi-4 यह सदस्य हिन्दी भाषा में near-देशी है। Note: Deshi does not mean native in that sense. Maatribhaashaa is the correct word for native language.

hi यह सदस्य हिन्दी भाषा में देशी है।

I will change the text.

(WT-en) Upamanyuwikivoyage( Talk )( (WT-en) Travel ) • 05:18, 19 March 2007 (EDT)

Done :) (WT-en) Upamanyuwikivoyage( Talk )( (WT-en) Travel ) • 06:00, 19 March 2007 (EDT)

Thank you sir, I knew you'd fix it up nicely! that was just a first taste of my Hindi grammar, I plan on mangling the language many more times in the near future... – (WT-en) cacahuate talk 02:47, 20 March 2007 (EDT)

Kein Problem. I'd be happy to correct and improve your Hindi, so that you can reach babel-2 :) some day....

Anyway, I must say I'm impressed by your vocab (मध्यवर्ती) wow!!!

(WT-en) Upamanyuwikivoyage( Talk )( (WT-en) Travel ) • 07:51, 20 March 2007 (EDT)

Do you guys tend to forget I'm 13 - Thank you sir. Windhorse once refered to me ans sir and quickly changed it to young man when he realized that I'm 13! (WT-en) Upamanyuwikivoyage( Talk )( (WT-en) Travel ) • 07:58, 20 March 2007 (EDT)

I call my mom sir, useful word, that one :) And did I actually get one of the translations right? Hallelujah! – (WT-en) cacahuate talk 00:56, 21 March 2007 (EDT)

Here, look at this. [2]

Charon's image[edit]

I love it! -- (WT-en) Sapphire(Talk) • 01:26, 1 April 2007 (EDT)

Everytime I look at it I end up laughing hysterically and for that you get a barnstar.
Order of the Laughing Award
Same here, it took me a few minutes to stop laughing so I could actually upload it... nothin' better to do on a Saturday night  ;) – (WT-en) cacahuate talk 01:47, 1 April 2007 (EDT)


Hey there, could you log on to hi and help get the templates sorted. Reply on my talk page. (WT-en) Upamanyuwikivoyage( Talk )( (WT-en) Travel ) • 05:52, 7 April 2007 (EDT)

hi, you there? Come onto hi, plz. (WT-en) Upamanyuwikivoyage( Talk )( (WT-en) Travel ) • 12:10, 9 April 2007 (EDT)

→ -- (WT-en) Upamanyu

Wikivoyage talk:Joke articles/Hell

anyway, could you make the hi project page, 2nd on navibar. just copy from en and try to translate, I'll correct the grammar. and if you think you can't do some bits, leave them, i'll help you later. (WT-en) Upamanyuwikivoyage( Talk )( (WT-en) Travel ) • 00:26, 14 April 2007 (EDT)

soon, but I have to go to bed now, too much work, and too little sleep  :) – (WT-en) cacahuate talk 00:38, 14 April 2007 (EDT)

no probs. I have to go for breakfast, the pizza's cold already. (WT-en) Upamanyuwikivoyage( Talk )( (WT-en) Travel ) • 00:44, 14 April 2007 (EDT)

help out on please. I know I'm sounding pesky but the project page needs to be sorted out. (WT-en) Upamanyuwikivoyage( Talk )( (WT-en) Travel ) • 03:19, 15 April 2007 (EDT)

I know it needs help, but slowly slowly... I'm heading to bed now... I was on HI for a minute earlier, but I'm tooo tired and Hindi requires way more energy from me than English where I can edit without making my brain hurt  :) My work should ease up soon, then maybe I can do alot more over there. FYI, my Hindi really sucks... I doubt I'll be able to translate a page like that, unless I just use a babel website... which I'm fine with doing, but probably won't produce the most accurate results. I'll play around with it soon. What I'd rather do is start creating a bunch of pages and putting templates in them, to encourage people to start filling in info. Good night  :) – (WT-en) cacahuate talk 03:26, 15 April 2007 (EDT)
Great work on hi. BTW, I left a message for you → . It's really great to see someone from the weary west so active on hi. Time to start wikivoyage in Bengali and Kannada (that's Ravi's job.) What say u? (WT-en) Upamanyuwikivoyage( Talk )( (WT-en) Travel ) • 07:26, 19 April 2007 (EDT)


Because you are laughing about actual crimes that have been committed.

Are all Australians as weird as you? – (WT-en) cacahuate talk 02:03, 15 April 2007 (EDT)

nope, although ricky ponting is :) (WT-en) Upamanyuwikivoyage( Talk )( (WT-en) Travel ) • 03:37, 15 April 2007 (EDT)

Re:Los Alamos[edit]

Not to worry, I knew... -- (WT-en) Bill-on-the-Hill 21:51, 24 April 2007 (EDT)

Havelock Island[edit]

I like it. Putting the symbols on their own layer and separate from Annotation(en) is a brilliant idea, that makes translating it a lot easier since someone can just create a Annotation(other language) layer and translate that to match what you already have. I think we should make the Symbols layer part of the template and note it in Project:How to draw a map. Only problem I see with your map is the font. You should install and use Blue Highway [3] or here [4] --(WT-en) NJR_ZA 08:03, 26 April 2007 (EDT)

You are definately right about the scale, I have not really noticed before, but it does look a lot better with thin lines. I'll fix that on the template and add the Symbol layer. The font is already Blue Highway throughout, but Bitstream will be substituted on any pc that does not have blue highway installed. --(WT-en) NJR_ZA 01:16, 27 April 2007 (EDT)

Africa (Uganda)[edit]

I'm not very familiar with the area, but that does seem to make sense from a travel point of view. Most travelers visiting Uganda will probably do it while visiting East Africa and enter it either from Kenya or Tanzania. The Uganda article already states that it is in East Africa (Though the breadcrumb states it is in Central Africa). I think we should go ahead and move it. --(WT-en) NJR_ZA 03:18, 30 April 2007 (EDT)

You're quick! – (WT-en) cacahuate talk 19:17, 30 April 2007 (EDT)

You, sir...[edit]

...are a giant among men for adding that Meyer Center warning to the Hell page. That absolutely made my day. (WT-en) Gorilla Jones 00:08, 10 May 2007 (EDT)

Liaison Reports[edit]

Howdy Cacahuate,

Would you mind writing the HI go-between reports for May and June? I'm leaving for Calcutta tomorrow (yipee!) ... and although I'm taking my laptop, wi-fi hotspots are pretty limited out there... so I doubt if I will be able to log in more than once-a-week. And there are many tasks which need to be done on HI —

  • Get the namespace problem sorted out, keep bugging Evan.
  • Custom interface, tell Evan to make you an admin. I'll help out.
  • Country articles for Africa and SA.
  • Please try and recruit others from the Hindi WP.

THANKS, (WT-en) Upamanyuwikivoyage( Talk )( (WT-en) Travel ) • 05:22, 15 May 2007 (EDT)

Yeah, I'll see what I can do  :) – (WT-en) cacahuate talk 03:03, 17 May 2007 (EDT)

Plunging forward[edit]

So that guy who stated he got yelled at was likely this same guy:

There are more IPs he used , but I'm not looking for all of them. He never really got yelled at, but he was criticized, sometimes harshly, because he would create articles for non-destinations and out of several hundred articles I think we kept no more than five(?) We tried for months and months to get him to take the time, breathe, make sure the article he was about to create was actually a real destination. It wasn't. We then tried baby steps like using a template, but that was too complicated. I think the toughest we got were my comments on User talk: from Zun kune by Sapphire. -- (WT-en) Sapphire(Talk) • 18:55, 21 May 2007 (EDT)

Now that I think about it the guy in Brisbane might be related to this guy. -- (WT-en) Sapphire(Talk) • 18:57, 21 May 2007 (EDT)

Ah yes, I've come across some of those before... didn't realize that was (probably) the guy... oh well... yeah, does sound like he lives in Brisbane... what's with those people? Hehe. – (WT-en) cacahuate talk 20:53, 21 May 2007 (EDT)


Was there a discussion about allowing "Read" sub-headers? The only discussion I can find is three years old, but maybe I missed something else. -- (WT-en) Sapphire(Talk) • 16:40, 22 May 2007 (EDT)

Not that I can think of specifically, but I didn't realize we had a harness on subheaders... Assuming that a book recommendation would go in either Understand or Cope, what other options are there? Would it be better to just list them in Understand without a subheading? Where is the old convo you found? – (WT-en) cacahuate talk 20:23, 22 May 2007 (EDT)
The discussion was on the talk page for Wikivoyage:Where you can stick it. The only reason I'm curious is because when I started off here I asked that question and I didn't get much of an answer. Of course, we've loosened up a bit too since then. Maybe we should ask, just to see what everyone else thinks. -- (WT-en) Sapphire(Talk) • 20:39, 22 May 2007 (EDT)

Afghan photos[edit]

i see you've taken a liking to some of my photos? two from herat and one from balkh? the last one (balkh) is on the commons, so i would suggest removing it and linking there. and how about i upload the other ones to the commons too? check my user page there and i add them somewhere in the next few hours. can't get the interwiki link to work so take this:
as i haven't public-domained all my work, i would prefer to do it this way, and i can more or less track what happens to them. please feel free to suggest more photos if you feel the need.
and could you reply on my wikipedia user page? btw, i think it was hotel jam, i'll have to check my notes... - (WT-en) Bluuurgh 10:02, 24 May 2007 (EDT)

2 Islands of New Zealand are NOT regions[edit]

conversation moved to Talk:New Zealand(WT-en) cacahuate talk 13:11, 28 May 2007 (EDT)


Hey, good to hear from you. Sorry, cannot enlighten you on this subject, though I can blow one myth. I use Firefox almost exclusively, but have never experienced the problems you or Celticevergreen mentioned. So, I guess we all have to wait for Evan to shine some light of wisdom on the mystery. Take it easy. (WT-en) WindHorse 03:08, 1 June 2007 (EDT)

CotW unscheduled nominations are getting a bit thin![edit]

We could do with a few more suggestions for articles that could be future CotWs, so if you know of any please be sure to add them to the list! Thanks -- (WT-en) Tim (writeme!) 07:52, 4 June 2007 (EDT)

MediaWiki files[edit]

Yes, only administrators may edit MediaWiki files. The reason being so because these files are sensitive to site performance and security. Imagine if someone used the MediaWiki:Sitenotice to link to a virus.

Anyhow, if you have a translation of "Other sites" I'll fix the template. Also, I'll create an edittools template, if you tell me what to add. -- (WT-en) Sapphire(Talk) • 23:36, 6 June 2007 (EDT)

Awesome, I'll leave a message on your Hindi talk page. Thanks! – (WT-en) cacahuate talk 00:16, 7 June 2007 (EDT)

Bacon dogs[edit]

I'm not sure if it's something that's uniquely LA and thus worth mentioning in the Los Angeles article, but bacon dogs are fairly ubiquitous late at night, especially in Hollywood. As to Salvadoran vegetarian food, lists a bunch of recipes, but I've never seen any in the city; of course, I've only been to one Salvadoran restaurant here... -- (WT-en) Ryan • (talk) • 03:16, 12 June 2007 (EDT)

Ah, news to me! Maybe I'll add back in the bacon dogs. Re Salvadorean veg, I live in an area that's full of Salv restaurants, and while I haven't eaten at most of them, I'm pretty sure that beef and pork rule... and even if there are veggie options, I just don't think it helped to illustrate the point that that sentence was making anyway... it was sort of random. Hmmm... – (WT-en) cacahuate talk 11:37, 12 June 2007 (EDT)

New search engine[edit]

Could you check out the new search engine on review ( and give your feedback on wts:WtTech:Lucene search? It's a faster, more accurate and more extensible search engine than the default one that comes with MediaWiki; it's also the one that Wikipedia uses. --(WT-en) Evan 12:42, 12 June 2007 (EDT)


Would you tell me (and help me) about/with any problems regarding Project:Star nominations#Cincinnati. -- (WT-en) Sapphire(Talk) • 13:41, 15 June 2007 (EDT)

Image VFD procedure[edit]


Project:Deletion policy#Deletion procedure says "a Wikivoyager should do any preparatory work (like orphaning an image, or combining the article with one it duplicates) and then put a link to the article or image on the votes for deletion page" - so I've removed Image:Roopam.jpg (which you VFD'd) from the Puri article. ~ 05:46, 17 June 2007 (EDT)

Eggselent, thank you! – (WT-en) cacahuate talk 05:49, 17 June 2007 (EDT)

map licensing[edit]

Hi, thanks for the tip, I changed the license on the one map you did not change. (WT-en) Tensaibuta 06:58, 17 June 2007 (EDT)

Barn lotus[edit]

Thank you for the barn lotus. It's....lovely. Also, I really appreciate your easy going way of dealing with situations. It really helps smooths things along. Take it easy (ps. hope you can realize your wish to return to India sometime soon). Thanks again for the lotus. (WT-en) WindHorse 12:34, 21 June 2007 (EDT)


You said: NotYet to the logo, but I love the concept. I like green, but it's just not quite extraordinary enough yet. Sorry I can't help with the actual design, but I'll know something great when I see it!

We've updated quite a bit since you added your comment above. It would be great if you would come take a look at where we are now and update your comment. Thanks a mil! Scott and Brandon

Station codes[edit]

Yeah the net has made railway booking pretty effortless. Is it possible to put up a link for the indian railways?(WT-en) Kroswami 12:36, 4 July 2007 (EDT)

We do have the link up on the India page... see India#Ticketing_2. The "Get around" section of a country page is where we should describe general information about getting around that applies to the whole country. Feel free to add any relevant info you think is missing. I'm going to leave a note at Talk:India encouraging people to start adding these station codes. – (WT-en) cacahuate talk 13:26, 4 July 2007 (EDT)

Split pages[edit]

Wes, you had some feedback about the code to tech:optionally split long guides into one page per section. Since I've got a new version of software on review: to do this, I'd love to get your feedback on the shared: tech page. --(WT-en) Evan 13:29, 10 July 2007 (EDT)

Since I'm a Rus-ophile[edit]

Thanks for the article! You know, I think the scariest thing about that youth group is that they've managed to get any Russian kids to support a pro-conscription movement—who the heck would want to serve in the Russian Army?! --(WT-en) Peter Talk 15:58, 10 July 2007 (EDT)

Image licensing[edit]

Apologies for adding an image released under an incompatible license (Image:373296152 5f5620faf9.jpg). I've had a look at the WT licensing policy, and for future reference would like to confirm. On Flickr, there are six kinds of CC license ([5]). Is it only the top on the list, Attribution 2.0, and the bottom one of these six, Attribution-ShareAlike 2.0, that are compatible with WT licensing. Thanks for your help. (WT-en) Frequenttrekker 04:20, 15 July 2007 (EDT)

No problem! Yes, that is correct... attribution and sharealike are compatible... but nothing that stipulates any tighter restrictions than that (non-commercial, non-modifiable, etc). – (WT-en) cacahuate talk 19:34, 15 July 2007 (EDT)


The issue of sleeping is addressed in this "travel topic" and the reason for the different count between Saphire and myself. I did not include those where one could not sleep. You can sleep in all listed. I think Ohio has about 240 State sites total. I could go on, but I can tell you are starting to get bored. Thanks for the help. I will straighten out the lodges and try to improve the appearance once completed. (WT-en) 2old 12:38, 16 July 2007 (EDT)

Florida Page complete??[edit]

I noticed that there is a tag on the florida page, I added much, do you think that the page is complete now?. or does it still need more information. Also can I remove the tag or does someone else remove it. Thanks. (WT-en) Flowergirl 23:38, 18 July 2007 (EDT)

Edits on de:?[edit]

Some anonymous user has droped a message on my [[de:Benutzer Diskussion:(WT-de) Hansm#[en] Signature|de: talk page]], claiming to be Cacahuate. Was that realy you? -- (WT-en) Hansm 09:49, 20 July 2007 (EDT)

Yep! – (WT-en) cacahuate talk 13:05, 20 July 2007 (EDT)

Thanks for clearification. -- (WT-en) Hansm 18:16, 23 July 2007 (EDT)


I really like this photo. I wish I was with you when you were watching the beggar. I know exactly what you mean when you wrote that you watched him forever – you develop a relationship with someone without even knowing them. -- (WT-en) Sapphire(Talk) • 08:12, 2 August 2007 (EDT)

Thanks! yeah, that beggar guy was awesome, quite the character. that was in the courtyard of this temple to give you more perspective on the surroundings... – (WT-en) cacahuate talk 23:40, 2 August 2007 (EDT)


Any idea how to fix the dab on Rincón? -- (WT-en) Fastestdogever 18:37, 6 August 2007 (EDT)

Yep, manually! – (WT-en) cacahuate talk 18:41, 6 August 2007 (EDT)

Southern Cal[edit]

So, Maj, Amita June and I will be in Southern Cal next week. Would you like to try and get together for lunch or coffee? We might be able to get Ryan or other SoCal folks to come. --(WT-en) Evan 14:00, 9 August 2007 (EDT)

Ah crap, I'm probably going to be out of town next week visiting family! Keep me posted on the dates though, if I'm around I'd definitely love to meet up... I haven't firmed up my plans yet – (WT-en) cacahuate talk 01:13, 10 August 2007 (EDT)


I understand what you're saying, but this doesn't need heavy artillery: he's not going to convert anybody to his cause with an "Oops", and there's no need to make him a martyr... (WT-en) Jpatokal 03:53, 23 August 2007 (EDT)

RE: Hello?[edit]

Cacahuate, on Gaimhreadhan's talk page you left the following message:

== Hello? ==

I hope you didn't really leave based on our NZ discussion. It's not that serious  :)    – (WT-en) cacahuate  talk 20:47, 20 June 2007 (EDT)

If this is the same Gaimhreadhan who was on wikipedia (which I believe to be the case), you may wish to see this [6], as he has passed on. Just thought you'd like to know. --(WT-en) The.Q 06:06, 29 August 2007 (EDT)

Well, that explains that. My thoughts are with his family and friends. – (WT-en) cacahuate talk 03:52, 30 August 2007 (EDT)


Hello, upamanyu here. I'm really sorry that I can't find time these days to stay online. School work's really become hectic. Thankfully we have a month off in October/November, so I'll try to contribute then. Anyway, have to rush now, my mom's dragging me to watch ratatouille. (WT-en) Upamanyuwikivoyage( Talk )( (WT-en) Travel ) • 07:34, 31 August 2007 (EDT)

Hey there, glad you're doing well and focusing on your studies! I haven't seen Ratatouille, but I've heard that it's pretty good, hope you enjoyed it. I've been pretty busy myself lately, and haven't had much time for :hi, but I'll try to get back over there soon. – (WT-en) cacahuate talk 02:47, 1 September 2007 (EDT)
Yeah, it was really funny. My mom loved it as well. So, are you still watching Bollywood? BTW, do you have any idea when the iPhone's launching in India? (WT-en) Upamanyuwikivoyage( Talk )( (WT-en) Travel ) • 06:10, 3 September 2007 (EDT)
As far as I can tell all that they've announced so far is "Asia in 2008"... but Asia's a mighty big place... soo... I dunno  :) – (WT-en) cacahuate talk 23:28, 3 September 2007 (EDT)
And is it good. I mean, I already have an iPaq and an iPod Nano so I want to know whether it's worth buying. (WT-en) Upamanyuwikivoyage( Talk )( (WT-en) Travel ) • 06:26, 5 September 2007 (EDT)
I would wait... even when it comes out there, it will probably take a little while to work out all of the problems. It's cool, but I think it will be better in a couple years. And you probably don't really need it for school, right? – (WT-en) cacahuate talk 14:28, 6 September 2007 (EDT)
No, of course I don't. Internet is all I need :) (WT-en) Upamanyuwikivoyage( Talk )( (WT-en) Travel ) • 05:56, 7 September 2007 (EDT)


Hi there! you replaced the following images back in the Kabul article and said to stop removing them. Can you explain why these images are so important? I'm not here for edit war, I'm from Afghanistan and just trying to show images of the more interesting places in the article rather than focusing on the least important things. The image of street food vendors are common in every city of the world, it's not just in Kabul. We need to show images that are more related to Kabul.--(WT-en) Creative 11:13, 7 September 2007 (EDT)

Darulaman Palace is a fairly popular site for visitors, and the Kabul street food image gives a glimpse of the old town. Replacing them with Kabul City Center images is slightly strange in my opinion. Anyhow, if you want to remove pictures from an article bring it up on the talk page first and see if others agree with you. Thanks! – (WT-en) cacahuate talk 21:27, 7 September 2007 (EDT)
Well, my idea is not trying to project Kabul as being a very modern city, most travellers or most people in the world know that it is the capital of a war-torned country. However, they also need to know or see that it is being rebuilt and changing slowly. I agree the Palace may be fairly popular site for visitors, but it's only for those who are interested in history. I am only suggesting that we add images in the article of places that are already renovated or rebuilt (for the safety of visitors). The street food image would have been fine except for the two people staring at the camera. The best images are those which do not show people staring at the camera, usually you see these types of pictures in National Geographic magazine. When I first saw the image I immediatly thought that it might have been taken in Pakistan but then when I saw the cup of green tea next to the guy selling food, I knew he was Afghan because most Pakistanis drink tea with milk in it. I myelf would not mind buying whatever he is selling, and another thing about this image I don't like being in the article is due to the nature of this business, not being a permanent shop. The stores are fine but street people selling products does not go well in articles, I'm sure you know what I mean, and I'll leave the images for now until we all agree to remove them.--(WT-en) Creative 10:07, 8 September 2007 (EDT)
I understand your intentions, but what we should be doing is presenting the reality of Kabul, not its idea for the future... the Kabul City Center stands out in that city like a sore thumb, and isn't at all representative of Kabul now  :) I would say the same for the street food image... that absolutely represents a large side of Kabul right now. As does the staring people in the background ;) And I assure you it is in Kabul, I took the image myself, and as you imagined, the food he's serving was pretty delicious! What you should keep in mind is that articles here are aimed at several different groups of people... some of the things in them aren't of interest to locals, but are very popular and interesting to foreign visitors. For myself and all of the other foreign travelers I met in Afghanistan, the old area near that food stall was the best part of Kabul. Yes, we all went to the City Center too... but I wouldn't travel to Kabul to see that. It's the real life and the raw reality of it that is fascinating to me and many others. You could also use Los Angeles as an example... I live here, and wouldn't do half of the things listed in the LA articles... they don't interest me as a local... but I understand that they are popular with tourists, and accept that there is going to be a huge difference in the perceived reality of this city between visitors and locals. In Afghanistan, witnessing a more traditional way of life and glimpsing the war-torn side of the country is what draws many of the travelers there, so we should represent that in the articles too, just as we do for India and Pakistan. Do you see what I'm saying? – (WT-en) cacahuate talk 12:50, 8 September 2007 (EDT)
Sorry to throw a monkey wrench into this discussion, but I have vfd'ed the street food image on shared, as it is an apparent violation of our privacy policy ;) --(WT-en) Peter Talk 13:11, 8 September 2007 (EDT)
Damn you and the monkey you road in on Fitzgerald! You're right and I've voted to delete over there. But only because of the privacy violation... and for the record, I'm disappointed that it has to go since it accurately represents one side of eating in Kabul. I'll try to find another without recognizable people, but that may prove difficult. – (WT-en) cacahuate talk 19:30, 8 September 2007 (EDT)
To Cacahuate, every article, regardless of the location, needs to start with the top places and slowly go down the line. You're right about presenting everything about the places, but we should not be starting with the ghettos and working our way to the better places. These articles are intended for all the people in the world, not just for one particular type of people or groups. For example: If we were to say that Kabul is a very dangerous place for visitors, that would be false because it would not be a dangerous place for the 160 million people from Pakistan, 80 million from Iran, 1.3 billion from China, 1.1 billion from India, 220 million from Indonesia, or other countries. I am trying to present the reality of Kabul, there is not just Kabul City Center but many other similar new places in the city operating already. Majority people who visit would not want to start with eating street foods, unless they were tempted or were starving. I don't know much about Los Angeles but if I saw an image of a hot-dog cart in Philadelphia, for example, selling pretzels then that's fine because that is what Philly is famous for, and Chicago for special hot-dogs, NYC for slices of pizza, etc. I will be searching around to find images of Kabul restaurants that serves Sheesh-kababs and rice, this is what Kabul is famous for. This image here would have been very nice but it's not allowed, click here for image!--(WT-en) Creative 23:09, 8 September 2007 (EDT)
No, we don't start with the most modern places and work our way down to the "ghettos"... if any organization exists it's usually either alphabetical or starting with the more popular things to do, etc. I understand that you want to paint a picture of the future idealized Kabul that you have in your head... it just unfortunately doesn't exist yet, and since this is a travel guide, it needs to guide people to what currently exists, and what we think will interest people. You may not like this type of business, and you may think it's dirty and will make you sick, but many will disagree with you. As for the legal vs illegal food stands, that's not really our concern. The fact is, there are food stands like that all over the city (and country, and continent), and they're enormously popular with locals and foreigners alike. Yes, there are also restaurants serving similar food, and some are listed in the article, and those who prefer that will find themselves there. Anyhow, if all we presented in the Kabul article were the few slices of glitzy modernity that a handful of people envision and even fewer can afford we would be grossly misleading an awful lot of people. – (WT-en) cacahuate talk 02:34, 10 September 2007 (EDT)
I have no idea what you're talking about here. You are completely wrong with your thoughts about me, I'm not painting a future Kabul, I'm painting Kabul as the way it exists today, I did not put any future ideas or plans of Kabul, I only put images of hotels and places that already exist in the city. Since you uploaded just one picture of Kabul, with the street food, it probably means that you haven't travelled to every part of the city, and you're trying to make us believe that this is how the whole city looks in which you're wrong. When I travel to other cities in the world I usually stay in hotels in the category of Marriott, Crowne Plaza, Hilton, Double Tree, Hamton Inn, at restaurants in the category of Outback Steakhouse, T.G.I Friday's, Applebee's, etc....enjoy places like Disney World, Atlantic City, Famous resorts and parks, etc. That's my category and you are allowed to show low-class places to eat or stay in Kabul but as long as the images are taken with quality work. About the street food stalls, you are wrong again...there are not that many street food stalls in Kabul than restaurants, although many of the restaurants are designed for locals only. The street food vendoes only sell snack food, not a complete meal, most people in the city eat at home. I'm not forcing you to believe my writings, you can always check most recent images of Kabul or any other place on Flickr anytime and see what's going on there....recent images of Kabul on flickr. I also want to mention that you've deleted for no reasons the 2005 image showing a view of Kabul (see image above on the right) Votes for deletion/Archive July-Dec 2007 on Wikivoyage share. This is another indication that you may be trying to hide the better part of Kabul.--(WT-en) Creative 16:01, 10 September 2007 (EDT)

I'm so not interested in turning this into a heated argument, and please don't take it personally. I think you've made valuable contributions to Afghan articles, and I thank you for that. I'm only concerned with one part of your recent changes to Kabul, and that is, through your edits, it seems you were deleting images of the "old" Kabul (the street food and the shah m books images) and replacing with the glitziest places in the city (city center, serena). For the record, I spent plenty of time in the City Center, and ate everywhere from the street food stalls, kabob restaurants and the resold US military meals up to the buffet at the Serena and restaurants like L'Atmosphere, so no, my view of the city is in no way limited. I've traveled extensively, have seen a lot of other cities to compare Kabul too, and I assure you, the few places that have set up shop to cater to foreigners and to aid workers are far from summing up Kabul. If you don't agree that's fine, my word isn't golden... All I ask is, that if you're simply adding information from your perspective, as you say, that you don't delete other perspectives in the process. Your perspective seems to be that of a business traveler, but don't forget the travelers/backpackers too... those groups have very different interests a lot of the time, and we should be catering to both ends of the spectrum and everything in between. If you look back into the history of the Kabul article, you'll find that I've contributed to both.

Regarding the image deletion, as I recall it was very similar in content, but just not as good of quality...and it went through the normal VFD procedure, with no objections. I didn't speedy delete it. – (WT-en) cacahuate talk 19:20, 10 September 2007 (EDT)

I thank you for contributing to articles, I have no problems with you, I'm not taking anything personal, I removed your images once only, thinking that I would find more better ones later, you replaced them and I didn't mind. Remember, I'm new here. The Kabul article looked to me as if somebody was seeing it with one eye open and one eye closed, so I added my images to make people see it with both eyes open, that some nice and safer places can also be found in the city.--(WT-en) Creative 13:20, 11 September 2007 (EDT)


[7] (WT-en) Jpatokal 14:11, 9 September 2007 (EDT)

Bunya Mountains National Park[edit]

Thank you for your syntaxic correction on the page Bunya Mountains National Park. I now understand how I have to use the template "sleep" correctly. DeepPurple.

Park name translation[edit]

Hi again,

May I ask you an advice ? I would like to start an article about the Parc naturel régional des Boucles de la Seine normande. Which name do I have to choose on the English Wikivoyage ? The official French name (as it is also referenced on the English Wikipedia) or some traduction like the Regional natural park of the Boucles de la Seine normande. Or something else ? Thank you for your advice, (WT-en) DeepPurple 14:20, 17 September 2007 (EDT).

Hindi WT[edit]

A wikipedian (Wolf) wanted to know whether विकिट्रैवल should be replaced by a hindi word. As far as I know, most of the language versions stick with "wikivoyage" (except Jap.). His intial suggestions were

  • विकियात्रा
  • विकिवभ्रमण

Personally, I'm noe comfortable with either of these. "यात्रा" means "journey", it does not refer to "travel" per se. And भ्रमण is way too Sanskritized. If we need a Hindi name, I'd go for विकिपर्यटन

So, what do you think... (WT-en) Upamanyuwikivoyage( Talk )( (WT-en) Travel ) • 06:43, 19 September 2007 (EDT)

Re: Chittagong[edit]

As I understand things, Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, while Wikivoyages is a travel guide. I have created separate articles for Bandarban on both projects, and they carry very different types of information (though, both are in bad shapes). You see, a sentence like "Famous for its XX, the YY is one of the most exciting places to visit in ZZ" may be deemed as pure advertisement in Wikipedia, while making suitable material for Wikitravles. It is all because of the different nature of the projects. One projects burden can always be another projects delight. Like Wikipedia has explicit policy aganist original research, while Wikivoyages would accept nothing but original research. I am sure Wikivoyages would not be too delighted to have details of geological structures ad clay formations like I am putting into another place article in Wikipedia. (WT-en) Aditya Kabir 06:16, 21 September 2007 (EDT)

I see that you have reverted my edits. What's the problem? Are you saying that information that has been on the Wikipedia once can't be here? Is there any licensing on the information? I lived in that city for years, and still have relatives there, who I do visit at times. If the impression is that I am copying from someone, please, rethink. (WT-en) Aditya Kabir 06:36, 21 September 2007 (EDT)
Probably it was the edit summary that led to this misunderstanding. I promise to be more careful with edit summaries in future. Anyways, thanks. Your comment and revert shook me out of laziness to really start on the article. (WT-en) Aditya Kabir 08:33, 24 September 2007 (EDT)

Looking for help[edit]

There's a lot of image on the Bandarban page that would be better displayed as a gallery. Does Wikivoyage accommodates image galleries? If it does, what are the codes I can make use of? (WT-en) Aditya Kabir 09:17, 24 September 2007 (EDT)


I've been on temporary hiatus, but I noticed your comments on the Mylakeplacid user page. Yes, they are the visitors bureau, and I've been in email contact with them to confirm that. They may still be unclear about some copyleft issues but to produce guides in our style, according to our rules, is sincere. If you catch them in a violation, just send a gentle reminder. (WT-en) Gorilla Jones 18:48, 17 October 2007 (EDT)

Hi, this is Mylakeplacid - we are indeed fairly new to the concepts of the Wiki's and our intentions are definitely not to step on anyone's toes. The only material that we include on Wikivoyage are either written by us or have approval from the authors. If we mess something up just let us know, thanks! —The preceding comment was added by (WT-en) Mylakeplacid (talkcontribs)
Great, thanks for the note! Good work on the articles too. – (WT-en) cacahuate talk 20:57, 18 October 2007 (EDT)

Vandalism policy?[edit]

I don't know about you folks (I'm sending the same message to several), but I for one am getting sick and tired of the intentional vandalism that's going on here. I am trying to start a discussion on Project:Community policies as to whether something more forceful needs to be in place to deal with it. Historically, we have bent far over backwards to avoid punitive action against vandals and have simply gone in and cleaned up the messes they create. However, the frequency of vandalism is growing, and I am not convinced that we are doing Wikivoyage a service by tolerating it. This said, I'm not at all sure what the "right" response is.

I'd appreciate your participation in the discussion on that talk page. Let's see if we can come up with something appropriate. -- (WT-en) Bill-on-the-Hill 11:47, 19 October 2007 (EDT)

Check me on this=[edit]

Is this permitted? User:(WT-en) SouthAfrica ? -(WT-en) OldPine 16:12, 24 October 2007 (EDT)

I think in general the consensus seems to be that we shouldn't police user pages unless they're really out of control or illegal... I'd love to not see stuff like that, but it's sort of worded in a way that it's about his favorite things, and well, I guess we can't fault him for that. But I have blanked userpages in the past that were huge link farms, on the grounds that we aren't a personal webpage service. This one seems slightly different. Hmmm – (WT-en) cacahuate talk 17:44, 24 October 2007 (EDT)
OK, thanks. I'm sort of borderline on it, too... and will let it ride. -- (WT-en) OldPine 20:06, 24 October 2007 (EDT)

Why was my 'Safety' contribution for St. Martin's Isd. Bangladesh deleted?[edit]

Not even 2 days ago I put some safety tips in the aformentioned section. I read the rules. I wrote professionally. I have been to this place. I wrote nothing insulting or vulger. It's okay for the person to post that you can get alcohol if you ask for it, but a warning on legalities gets deleted...really. If this pedia is to be of any use to any sincere traveler, those safety concerns I spent an hour carefull adding, would be some of the most important information....especially for non Bangladeshi people. If you check the internet, or even a travel agency, they don't have much to offer on this trek. My contribution comes from my experience and stories that others who have been there have shared with me. What's the problem?

Only things that are specific to Saint Martin's Island should be in that article... if they apply to the whole country then the info should be in the Bangladesh article (bottled water, dressing conservatively, etc). Advising to take a guided tour wasn't necessary... that's a personal choice, and very few non-Bangladeshis, in my opinion, would opt for that. I also removed the line about foreigners having no choice but to pay double than locals... sometimes, yes... but just because someone asks doesn't mean you have to pay it (and I'd argue strongly that you shouldn't pay it)... better to advise people on how to negotiate... and even then, that applies to the whole country once again, so would be said at Bangladesh. You also said to avoid staying in Teknaf, but didn't say why... it's certainly not paradise, but I spent the night there and had an ok time. Not riding ferries in storms - was that specific to the SMI area? I figured you were probably talking about the whole country once again, but also thought that it kinda a random statement... but can you elaborate more on that? Anyhoo, how did you like the island? I found it a breath of fresh air, especially after traveling through the rest of Bangladesh – (WT-en) cacahuate talk 01:50, 3 November 2007 (EDT)

Teknaf is notorious for human trafficking and pickpocketing. If you are a lone non Asian woman, which when you see female 'foreigners', that's what they most often are, can you honestly suggest she stay in Teknaf overnight alone? Look, I'm not out to down Bangladesh. St. Martin's is like a baby to me. I know you don't want to get me started on environmental stuff and contamination of the 'indiginous' there's any saving it at this point. My point is, if you are not of 'general' South Asian can I say this... if you are Anglo looking, or dark skinned, but not Asian, you will be forced to pay double for stuff, if not just close to it. You can try going to 20 different vendors (not that there's space enough for much more on island), but it's like they all have a conspiracy...a set low price specifically for 'American' looking people. When I visit Bangladesh, I am there with my family. I don't stay in a hotel, don't have a generator, know the meaning of 'current neye'. I am not Asian or Bangladeshi. Donning a full borqua, speeking Bangla (I am sure with quite an accent), out shopping with my spouse or inlaws, we all become subject to high haggling because of me. They see my eyes and my hight, and they know. So, just imagine what all those backpackers get that go over there to Narikel Jinjera. Usually backpackers are making pit stops and have quite a ration for funds, so imagine if you read the prices, and next you end up spending double for every life sustaning need you have, not too mention the fun stuff. I advise a travel agent for 'foreigners' because it's a tough trip, and cosidering the conversion rate, what's the big deal. It takes a ton of stress out of it, you still get all of the exposure to the day to day stuff, with just a speck of security. You can't beat someone actually understanding what's being blasted on a bull horn carried on a rickshaw, and avoiding getting stuck at the bus station/stop, or not finding a ride due to an instant hartal. I can't see how you could remove that stuff from 'safety'. If it applies to Bangladesh, well St. Martin's isn't in Burma, now is it? The tides are changing in St. Martin. It's becoming a place where, pretty soon, you'll see non Desi's bringing their families...if it survives. I love that island. I obsess over it. I know more about it than my Bangladeshi side. I think there should be alot more on environmental awareness, if someone should try to sell you a baby turtle, a chunk of coral to refuse it. Or how there was all of this international funding from the turtle people (can't recall the organization's name, but just google ridley turtle st. martins) the turtle sanctuary is at a there has been next to nothing on the lines of training the original islanders about eco tourism. Now the water is so full of sewage that dead turtles, hatchlings, dolphins and fish are washing up dead on the beaches. But it's funny that no one knows why. And about the ferries.. talk to the locals. The 'captains' of the ferries overload the boats, ride even during storm and high surf warnings. Yes this applies to Bangladesh, yes you MUST take a ferry to get to Narikel Jinjera. Research ferry loss. It is astounding. My message is go to Narikel Jinjera, but tread lightly, and don't buy natural trinkets. Smell the fresh salty air mixed with lovely curry odor. See the sunlight twinkling through the palms. And when you get home, write to Bangladesh's parks department about what needs to be done, so the island will still be there for your kids to see. Did you know that it was home to some indiginous gastropods and corals only found on that island? Was. Btw, you didn't just remove lines. You obliterated the whole safety section, disected a few and put them in a new area. Which considering how much off island people traffice the island gets now, it should be treated like the mainland. Women's modesty is a safety rule. When men don't do it, they just get laughed at. Women risk almost deffinite harrasment and occasional assalt. Maybe in Dhaka a girl could get away with it, but not on the island. There's a lot of 'grabbing' in past and present.

B-more 4evah![edit]

Yeah, I took that travel plan down to keep my hopes from getting up. If I do get there my base will now be Delhi, rather than Mumbai (I'm not sure if that's a plus or a negative), and some arcane politicking might prevent me from going altogether now. Few places in the world I'd rather explore than India, though... --(WT-en) Peter Talk 13:30, 20 November 2007 (EST)

Gay travel[edit]

Actually, I added the VFD, not the vandal. My reasoning was that if we follow the process rigorously, (1) the clown might see how out of bounds he is (although I doubt it), and (2) we'll be able to speedy-keep it the next time he makes a fuss, while still being completely within our procedures and policies.

Incidentally, I just added something to the policy talk page expanding on the vandalism question. Your opinion on that would be appreciated; Nick's analysis looks right to me. (BTW, feel free to continue that discussion via the admins mailing list if you think it would be better that way.) -- (WT-en) Bill-on-the-Hill 00:25, 26 November 2007 (EST)

Ah, got ya... guess I was being a bit rash in retrospect anyhow  :) – (WT-en) cacahuate talk 01:22, 26 November 2007 (EST)

The search for the best Malai Kofta ever[edit]

You might be interested in knowing how the search went [8] :) — (WT-en) Ravikiran

Hilarious! Great story... I'm glad you at least had an adventure, if not fruitful... That's definitely the place though, good job finding it! I may indeed have bad taste... We can't rule that out :) for what its worth, I think, of the two, it was the one on the right... Thanks for making me laugh – (WT-en) cacahuate talk 02:34, 2 December 2007 (EST)

Fanari Villas challenge[edit]

I have prepared a draft responding to your challenge. Please join the discussion back in Project:Accommodation listings#more details than 1-3 sentences per establishment. --(WT-en) DenisYurkin 08:09, 9 December 2007 (EST)