User talk:Kalayaan12345

Hi. The standard for tone on this site is be fair. You are not going to get anywhere by using the word "allegedly" for the shoot-down of the Malaysian airliner, and if your purpose here is to make political points, you're on the wrong website. On the other hand, if you'd like to contribute content that's useful to travelers, please plunge forward. Your choice.

All the best,

Ikan Kekek (talk) 07:11, 11 August 2014 (UTC)

Ouch, the hypocrisy of your statement just made my eyes bleed! Simply quoting NATO allegations as if they were facts can hardly be seen as "being fair". And I surely don't need to mention who the one trying to make political points is. You're probably going to say something like: "But America is the leader of the free world, what they say must always be true!" or something like that, but I don't see how claiming that the rebels in Eastern Ukraine are supported by Russia could be useful to travelers either. This is a travel guide, not a politics forum, and should therefore be kept neutral at all times. Please stick to the points you just made yourself from now on.

Kalayaan12345 (talk) 10:05, 17 August 2014 (UTC)

As you're inserting claims about Ukraine#Racism against Russians, Russia's arming and backing of rebels attempting to break Ukraine apart is very relevant. Not sure what the US has to do with this, as Russian-backed rebels shooting down a Malaysian plane loaded with Dutch civilians is an act of war against the European Union, not the United States of America. And no, be fair isn't quite the same as w:WP:NEUTRAL, Wikipedia's standard, although even there claiming Putin is not involved in what's happening in Donetsk would be a w:WP:FRINGE theory and not particularly plausible. K7L (talk) 13:08, 17 August 2014 (UTC)

I wouldn't take this very seriously. Kalayaan12345 appears to be a single issue contributor, whose attempts at neutrality is not even consistent with the Russian media's take on the situation. Andrewssi2 (talk) 13:34, 17 August 2014 (UTC)

Hmm, it seems everyone is just quoting from the Western media, claiming that Russia is arming the rebels, even outrageously accusing Russia of trying to "break" Ukraine etc. And yes, it has to do with the United States, because it is the American government and media that first spread the claims, which are then simply repeated by the European media. But I guess Americans simply never learned to look beyond what their television tells them, which is why they see those positions as the "fair" and non-biased positions, while anyone who does not automatically believe them must be trying to spread some evil political propaganda. I challenge you to name one good reason why it's fair to portray these claims as unquestionable truth, and not to point out the fact that they're allegations of one side of the conflict which may or may not be true. Just one single reason. Things like "It's obvious!" or "Everyone knows that!" like you used in the previous posts don't count.

Kalayaan12345 (talk) 18:57, 21 August 2014 (UTC)

I don't see any reason for anyone to waste time arguing with you on your pet political cause, but I will simply state that if you continue edit warring in the Ukraine article, your account will have to be blocked. We are here to edit a travel guide in the interest of travellers; you obviously have a different motivation and should go elsewhere to promote your views. Ikan Kekek (talk) 20:08, 21 August 2014 (UTC)

I see you can't think of anything more to say. Thought so. But that's of course typical for online communities these days: If someone questions your views, don't try to reason with them, but rather simply threaten to block their accounts, to ban them, use personal attacks, and just generally behave like an 8-year-old going "Wah! Wah! I don't want that, mum!" But that's to be expected actually, since that is quite similar to the way Western governments handle things, and you're obviously really devoted to them. So no surprises there. Though it is funny how you think such threats are impressive, especially when you use them right after you have shown what a ridiculously corrupt system this is. Do you honestly think anyone who has a little bit of self-respect would even want to be part of this community anymore, after seeing how things are done here? I, for my part, believe it is wasted effort to try to discuss with people who categorically refuse to learn and to look at the other side of the coin. And you're still claiming it's me who is trying to promote political views. Psychological projection much?

Kalayaan12345 (talk) 16:00, 27 August 2014 (UTC)

This is your excuse for Russia's occupation of Crimea and their backing of armed rebels attacking Donetsk and Luhansk? Wow. K7L (talk) 17:56, 27 August 2014 (UTC)

Crimea's joining of Russia was the decision of its inhabitants. And no, this is not merely a claim by Russia, even a lot of Western media broadcasters admit that the vast majority of Crimeans are pro-Russian. The only problem is that the Western media doesn't think democracy applies there. As for arming the rebels, I already demonstrated in the previous posts that this is merely an allegation by Obama and his puppet regimes, and the only response the other NATO fanboy could give me then was to threaten me with the blocking of my account. And besides, if you'd really watch the news, you'd see that it's the Ukrainian army and their thugs from the Right Sector who are attacking the cities you mentioned, while the rebels originally come from those regions. So even if Russia backed them, it wouldn't be much less justifiable than the Western backing of a violent putsch (Euromaidan) and of a regime that intends to ban opposition parties, uses military force against its own people, murders critical journalists etc.

I could go on, but I really don't see a point in wasting any more time with you lot. Unlike you of course, who are always really quick with your responses, which really makes me wonder if you even have something else to do the whole day, or if you are on this website 24/7. I'd almost think someone is paying you to lurk here and to get rid of non-conformist opinions, but then again, if the US government did hire people to do that, they'd certainly get some who had at least a few proper arguments.

Kalayaan12345 (talk) 09:12, 4 September 2014 (UTC)