Talk:Iskandar Puteri

Shopping malls and supermarkets

This article lists 4 supermarkets and 12 shopping malls. Wikivoyage is intended as a travel guide not a business directory. Wv:listings advises us that:

• "Listings should be for businesses and attractions that are relevant or interesting for travelers."
• "It's a good idea to note particularly important malls that a traveler would want to visit"

We can provide a few supermarkets located near hotels, but a long list if supermarkets is not appropriate. And a list of 12 malls shows that were not listing the particularly important ones.

@Chongkian: could you cut these lists down? If not, then I will do so based on the descriptions.

Also, Wikivoyage:Image policy says "As a general rule, photos of individual businesses, especially those seen to be promotional, will be removed. Exceptions include images that are meant to be illustrative of the type of business establishment in a certain region, or those of exceptionally famous establishments." I have deleted the photos of the Tesco and the Granada Hotel. Ground Zero (talk) 03:04, 26 December 2019 (UTC)

The size of Iskandar Puteri itself is relatively big, with many "city centers/downtown/CBD" quite well distributed with none of them are located in one particular area. For example, one of the main attraction in Iskandar Puteri is Legoland Malaysia, and the shopping mall adjacent to it is Mall of Medini. However, looking into the standard size of shopping centers for hang out/shopping, Mall of Medini is very small (it is just probably a place to have quick meal before or after going to Legoland). On the other hand, the AEON Bukit Indah, although it sounds like just another suburb supermarket (AEON as the main anchor), but it function as a full functioning shopping mall (supermarket, department store, shops, cinema etc) where it really gets crowded by both local and tourists during the weekends or holiday, thus that area is sort of like become a tourist attraction where it is well connected by bus major bus routes in Iskandar Puteri. And also the current trend/tendency is that for shopping malls to have its down attractions (e.g. indoor theme park, gaming & extreme sport facilities, even museums and libraries etc) which are fully integrated to each other, so the separation between shopping mall, supermarket, attractions are getting less and less obvious. So (so far) I am not that really sure to do a proper cut (objectively) if we were to downsize the list of shopping malls, because each of them caters for different suburbs and often gets really crowded by tourists and local. Ok, maybe for some "suburb supermarkets" (e.g. Giants) it can be cut down because it is not that relevant to any travelers. Again, the size of Iskandar Puteri article is still not that big (as compared to any North American or European cities), so I am not sure what else to write down if the information of shopping malls get cut heavily. Of course I can always expand the bus routes, hotels, restaurants, cafes listing etc. Or maybe should we break down the articles of Iskandar Puteri into several regions? Like in the case of New York City article. If this article are to be further broken down, then it can be listed as Bukit Indah, Forest City, Gelang Patah, Kota Iskandar, Medini Iskandar, Pulai, Sunway Iskandar, Taman Sutera, Skudai. Each of this "suburb/region" of Iskandar Puteri acts almost like an independent & sustainable town between each other. Chongkian (talk) 03:37, 26 December 2019 (UTC)

Ground Zero, one thing to keep in mind is that unlike in most malls in the U.S. (and I suspect, Canada), if my experience in the Kuala Lumpur area is representative (and I would think it was), you can get a great meal at most any mall in Malaysia. Ikan Kekek (talk) 09:32, 26 December 2019 (UTC)

None of the descriptions of the malls mention food. And only one mentions having "bowling, karaoke, theater and roller skate arena". The Wikivoyage community decided that we don't want this to become a directory of all businesses, but a selective guide. This article does not respect that decision. I don't know whether there are enough points of interest to warrant splitting this city article into neighborhoods, but if the only reason is to listvsll of the malls, then I would oppose doing so. As long as this remains one article, can we cut down the directory to a reasonable selection? Ground Zero (talk) 22:18, 30 December 2019 (UTC)

Maybe the solution is to add some specific mentions of food to all the mall listings, because I am sure every mall in Malaysia has some worthwhile food. Chongkian, would you like to do that? Ikan Kekek (talk) 22:21, 30 December 2019 (UTC)

It's been a while since I visited Johor, but I will say that when Singaporeans visit Johor, AEON Bukit Indah is definitely one of the top shopping malls we like to visit. Perhaps what we can do to limit the number of malls is to list the ones that visitors from elsewhere are likely to shop at. I will certainly agree that unlike in the U.S. or Australia, you can usually get a decent meal in a Malaysian shopping mall, be it in the food court or in one of the restaurants. The dog2 (talk) 21:23, 6 January 2020 (UTC)

Good suggestion. Perhaps @Chongkian: can identify the malls that are of most interest to visitors from elsewhere. Ground Zero (talk) 02:28, 19 February 2020 (UTC)

Let me list down the specialty of each shopping mall. But then again, if you see how scattered the mall is (in which no particular area has too many malls within one road, due to the nature of Iskandar Puteri being a very sprawling city - same like Johor Bahru), the existence of a particular mall for a particular area is of a minimum significance already (e.g. people who visit Gelang Patah, for sure will visit GP Mall, because that is the only mall within that township/suburb. people who visit Medini Iskandar township/suburb, for sure will visit Mall of Medini, because that is the only mall there.) Chongkian (talk) 02:42, 19 February 2020 (UTC)