Talk:Jostedalsbreen

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Somehow I was logged off when saving this article. Even I logged in when starting to write it. Is it possible to do anything about that? (WT-en) ViMy 217.149.118.18 00:02, 17 November 2008 (EST)

Sleep/backcountry

I suppose sleeping in the backcountry is allowed, but possibly realistic only on guided tours or not even then. Are overnight tours arranged? Is there good views to be had by hiking near the glacier, which one might be able to do without guides? I think a few words are needed to clarify. This also relates to whether the park or Jostedalsbreen as a destination is confined to the park; are people hiking in the neighbourhood of the glacier itself? --LPfi (talk) 08:37, 6 October 2017 (UTC)

Sure, camping in the wilderness is allowed, but camping on the glacier itself is only for experts or on guided tours. The NP is wider than the park and hiking is possible to viewpoints. --Erik den yngre (talk) 16:08, 6 October 2017 (UTC)

Thanks. I think it is much clearer now. --LPfi (talk) 09:57, 7 October 2017 (UTC)

To usable?

@Erik den yngre: Would it be possible to get this up to usable? I suppose this article is the only city/other destination in Nordic countries still at outline. The requirements for usable are:

• Has at least a couple of attractions with directions, information on fees and permits and accommodation, as well as a Get in section describing all of the typical ways to get there.

I think what needs to be done is to get explicit specifics. E.g. for Nigardsbreen in See:

From there departures a small boat over the lake in front of the glacier. The journeys takes 30 minutes. Observe from safe distance, guide needed for hike on the ice.

Does the boat travel non-stop in daytime or is there a timetable? What does it cost? One could tell in the listing that hikes are handled in Do. But is there a good view without taking the tour? If there is a phenomenal view from the boat or from the shore, so that a trip without a hike is worthwhile, that should be mentioned. Would it be worthwhile to climb to a lookout point after landing? Would that require equipment (such as shoes without high heels)?

And in Do:

Meet diect by the glacier

I suppose you'd have to take the boat. At least a pointer to the See listing would be needed, unless the directions are repeated. Does the tour need to be booked? I suppose equipment needed should be handled in an opening paragraph in Do.

I think such clarifications are what is needed to get the article to usable. As general description I think the article already is, but somebody really going there needs the specifics. No need to cover all highlights, tours and accommodations, at this stage just make sure there are a few that are described in enough detail. These could be the visitor centres and museums (are there tours or lookout points reachable from them?), Briksdalsbreen and Bøyabreen (already adequately described in See, I think), and the hikes in Do (which need more details like Nigardsbreen).

The Buy, Eat and Drink sections should be improved.

• The Buy section could handle getting equipment and souvenirs. Where are the best places to get the latter? What is on offer? Is it easy to buy the last things needed in the surrounding towns and villages?
• Eat could link to Sogn og Fjordane#Eat, but the section is empty. It could also tell about eateries near the entry points: are there adequate restaurants in all the surrounding towns, can you get food close to the lookout points and hiking start points, do you get food on the tours, should you buy food in advance for independent hikes?
• What about drinking on hikes? Should you take water with you on the tours? On independent hikes?

What about the lodgings? Are the ones listed close to the park? Even in it? Are they for those on a hike or convenient when visiting a certain part of the glacier?

Would it be much work to do this? I suppose I could do part of it from the armchair, but only more or less trivial parts.

–LPfi (talk) 10:01, 23 April 2021 (UTC)

Thanks LPfi for your good work. I think the main challenge is that entry points are scattered all around, with several hours drive between, map and another map. Entry points are basically the adjacent villages or towns for instance Stryn/Olden/Loen, Skei/Jølster, Sogndal/Fjærland, Luster. Erik den yngre (talk) 10:24, 23 April 2021 (UTC)

Yes. I think we should concentrate on a few entry points and make sure transport, eat and sleep are covered, and make clear what attractions are in reach from each (and the other way round: make explicit from where an attraction can be reached). If we manage to handle 3–5 entry points, that would be enough for usable. We should make sure to use one name for each entry point and present it uniformly in listings. Then everybody planning a visit could choose between those and get any information they need. Those who wish could of course still use the general information to explore other options. –LPfi (talk) 10:40, 23 April 2021 (UTC)

@LPfi:, I'd support it to being usable. Aside from that, the first paragraph seems wordy though. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | en.wikipedia) 11:56, 23 April 2021 (UTC)

Some of the info in the lead can be shifted to "understand" section. Erik den yngre (talk) 19:43, 23 April 2021 (UTC)