Talk:Manipur

Speaking Hindi

@Haoreima: I just noticed that this page has no mention of Hindi in the article, unlike many other state articles which mention about Hindi being spoken. I can't seem to find much info about speaking Hindi in Manipur and w:Manipur#Languages doesn't have much either. Would a Hindi speaker who knows no or basic English be able to survive in Manipur? Do most people in Manipur speak Hindi (enough for communication)? I think it should be mentioned since I'm sure many visitors to Manipur speak Hindi. --SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 09:39, 4 February 2022 (UTC)

@SHB2000: Indian Government allows its citizens to choose either or both Hindi & English for learning, besides their regional languages. People of North East India & South India prefer English. Less people (minor population) know Hindi. Hindi speakers (including Urdu, Bhojpuri, Rajasthani speakers) accounts for 43.63 percent of India.

We can say "Some people (not most) in Manipur can communicate in Hindi". :-)

Haoreima (talk) 09:50, 4 February 2022 (UTC)

Okay, that makes sense. Should it also be mentioned that people in Manipur prefer to speak English more than Hindi along with its neighbouring states? SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 09:53, 4 February 2022 (UTC)

Yes! Haoreima (talk) 09:55, 4 February 2022 (UTC)

@Haoreima Done. It might needs some adjustments though. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 04:07, 6 February 2022 (UTC)

Ima Keithel Market

I know this is three days late, but it's maybe worth bringing up this discussion so it's standardised everywhere.

On 2022-04-22 22:45 (UTC), Ikan removed mention of the Ima Market in edit 4436885, mentioning "Every pasar in Malaysia is run by women" (for reference, pasar is market in Bahasa Melayu). Looking at it further, Imphal#Q96381974, says it might be, but given this fact is mentioned in several articles, such as North-Eastern India, Imphal (obviously, given that's where the market is located), India, Manipur and there may be a page that I have missed, I thought it was worth bringing it up so we can standardise this across articles.

With that said, I did try to look up this fact, and I found several news articles stating that it's the only world's women run market, such as this, this (though it's a blog, not a news article) or this while some like the BBC are unsure about it. Anyway, how should we try and standardise it? There's a possibility that the news sources mentioned weren't aware of the markets in Malaysia, but my suggestion would be "possibly the world's only women run market", but I've never been to a market in both India or Malaysia for that matter, so it would be nice to hear from both @Ikan Kekek: and @Haoreima: so we can standardise it. --SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 06:57, 27 April 2022 (UTC)

SHB2000 According to law of the Government of Manipur, male shopkeepers are regarded as illegal. So, it's 100% exclusive for women merchants in Manipur's case. Idk if Malaysia Govt makes such law for male shopkeepers. Outside the Ima Keithel (English:Mothers' market), there are many markets, where male shopkeepers do business but they are not allowed to sell anything inside the Ima Keithel. However, regarding buying as customers, both genders are allowed. Idk if women and men are together shopkeeping Or not, in case of Malaysia. I think Malaysian markets may be predominantly occupied by female shopkeepers but if male shopkeepers are also permitted (though minority among the females), there's still a point to analyse further! Btw, a few of citations from some Books for Manipur's case are : 1, 2, 3, etc. Ima Keithel is not the collection of many markets but it's a particular market having 3 buildings only, reserved for ladies. Other markets in Manipur are not Ima Keithel and may be run by people of any gender. --Haoreima (talk) 07:14, 27 April 2022 (UTC)

I didn't remove the mention of the market, only the claim that it's the world's only women-run market. You could state that it's the only market that has exclusively female ownership guaranteed by law, but you'd better be sure, and I doubt that's the case. There are no markets exclusively owned and patronized by women in places like Saudi Arabia or Iran? Ikan Kekek (talk) 07:34, 27 April 2022 (UTC)

If it is enforced by law, then that makes sense, though I'd be surprised like Ikan Kekek if there were none in Saudi Arabia or Iran (though there may be some markets exclusively women-run, but not enforced by law). If we're not exactly certain, maybe it's better to state "perhaps the only women run market in the world" but I'm not exactly sure how to word it. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 09:43, 27 April 2022 (UTC)

Or we could fudge things by saying "According to several media sources, this is the only market in the world whose ownership is legally reserved for women only." Ikan Kekek (talk) 17:13, 27 April 2022 (UTC)

@Haoreima are you okay with Ikan's wording?

On another note, I did another search and I also got this result from the New York times. Unfortunately, need a subscription to read that article. Several other news articles also seem unsure about it, but they are certain that it is Asia's largest women-only market. I think the reason why only a few media outlets are certain is because markets are everywhere, and many of them aren't documented, so there could be a market somewhere else in a place where there are few journalists. But again, at the same time, if it's the only women-only market that is enforced by law, then it makes sense as it's a very unusual law IMO. Ultimately, to me, I'm pretty unsure on what we should say on it, but I do want it to be standardised across the site to prevent inconsistencies. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 08:18, 28 April 2022 (UTC)

SHB2000 Sorry for 28+ minutes late in replying. It's because I was disturbed by that Norwegian ip again in Simple English wikipedia. Well, this topic is interesting to discuss further. As we know, w:Omar Borkan Al Gala is "the most handsome man in the world". Who knows if there's another man, more handsome than him! :-) :) But, everyone says he's. Well, in my first reply to your pinging, I showed you three references from different books by different experts, which state that "Ima Keithel is the only market in the world run exclusively by women". Unlike a few news websites (who are saying that fact with little confidence but still these very news websites can't pick out a single place to break the record of the said market), these books conveyed the statement very confidently. I think we need to trust them, because an unusual law has backed them. --Haoreima (talk) 08:47, 28 April 2022 (UTC)

@Haoreima: No need to be sorry or apologise. Anyway, if several sources claim that it's the only women-only market enforced by law, we may as well state it and the encyclopedia and the several news sources and books can cop it if someone questions it (so far the only person who has is that IP hopping POV pusher who's banned from editing this site). --SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 08:54, 28 April 2022 (UTC)

SHB2000 "banned from editing this site"? But how? He's editing the Simple English wikipedia with full of freedom! Minutes by minutes, hours by hours, he's changing his ip address, like a person diving under the water at a place and coming back to open air at another place! :-) --Haoreima (talk) 08:59, 28 April 2022 (UTC)

They were banned by Ikan Kekek for vandalism for a month, which is usually the max we do for IPs (we can go up to 3 months, but usually only for IPv4 addresses), and then further block evasion IPs were blocked by both IK and me and thankfully, they've never returned since. Had they chose to comply with policies and not play the "whack-a-mole edit war because I [referring to IP] was reverted" game, they would have never been blocked, but they clearly fall under the criteria mentioned in WV:NOTHERE.

On another note to Ikan Kekek, but out of curiosity, are markets (or pasars) in Malaysia predominantly run by women, and if so, was this throughout Peninsular Malaysia or just in the East Coast? I'm curious to know, and I would ideally like to visit more of rural Malaysia next time I visit (which is almost every time when I travel up to East/South Asia or Europe). The few markets in Thailand that I visited a few years had a mix of both men and women, so I was under the impression that it may be similar in Malaysia, but since I've never visited one, so I don't exactly know. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 09:17, 28 April 2022 (UTC)

SHB2000 It's good that vandals never returned here, thanks to you & Ikan Kekek for your efforts. I hope the same for Simple English wikipedia. Only then, I will have peace. Because today, he made 3 accusations at here. He accused me as a closely related person with the article I create. I made the same article in different languages' wikis. He accused it as a cross wiki spam. He again accused the topic as a red flag case. I have shown a clarification that the article is suggested to be created/developed by the United Nations Human Rights Commission according to a meta wiki page. But he continues to do so! :-) --Haoreima (talk) 13:18, 28 April 2022 (UTC)

As a first step, it would be nice if that user does not change IPs every so often. If this happened on en.wikipedia, they'd be banned by now but in general, I've noticed simple is very soft with bans. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 13:31, 28 April 2022 (UTC)

SHB2000 In fact, he's very clever. He never messed up with admins (admins have powers). He knew I am powerless. 😂 That's why! :-) :) --Haoreima (talk) 13:37, 28 April 2022 (UTC)

That might be more a feature of the East Coast, particularly Kota Bharu. Ikan Kekek (talk) 13:46, 28 April 2022 (UTC)

Not surprising though, given that Kelantan as a whole doesn't really have a bustling feel like KL or Johor Bahru where there are fewer markets. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 13:56, 28 April 2022 (UTC)

Are there no longer any big markets in KL? Kota Bharu was bustling when I was there in 2003, and big markets are certainly bustling. Ikan Kekek (talk) 14:25, 28 April 2022 (UTC)

There probably are, it's just that I wasn't looking for them, and the last time I was in KL, I mostly spent time in the north around Batu Caves with some trips to the east. (also, by the way, my statement on the bustlingness was based of a friend who did a trip of the entire East Coast of Malaysia in 2009, though I've never been to Kelantan myself, but they did not stay in Kota Bharu for long). SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 14:37, 28 April 2022 (UTC)

Regions

There are 7 regions, 4 of which are red-linked. How many city and "other destinations" articles would each region warrant, per Wikivoyage:What is an article? Also, is there a good reason not to remove the red link from Manipur#Cities, when there would already be 10 cities without that non-article? Ikan Kekek (talk) 05:21, 20 July 2022 (UTC)

Riots

@Haoreima: are the riots still an issue to warrant a warningbox? --SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta) 00:12, 6 July 2023 (UTC)

Hi pal! Sorry for late reply! Actually, I don't know what to say exactly because in some areas of Manipur like Ukhrul, Tamenglong, it's completely peaceful, no riots at all. --Haoreima (talk) 05:50, 22 July 2023 (UTC)

Not a problem, Haoreima, and hope you haven't been too badly affected – should the warningbox be retained but explicitly mentioning the areas that are safe and unsafe? SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta) 06:42, 22 July 2023 (UTC)

I think it should mention areas specifically. Am little late to respond to you again because of my internet connectivity problem. Haoreima (talk) 03:23, 31 July 2023 (UTC)