Talk:Michigan

To 65.23.83.42, Sorry about the reversion. I was trying to deal with another vandal and a section that you were working on that seemed to have a lot of info removed. Thanks for all the work put into this page. -- (WT-en) Brendio 20:00, 20 Jan 2006 (EST)

Yes, good information... albeit suffering from the common Detroit-area misconception that the the state only extends as far west and north as Jackson and Flint (e.g. listing Lansing's airfield but not G.R.Ford International). I'm working to correct that. - (WT-en) Todd VerBeek 10:20, 9 April 2006 (EDT)

Regions

Is it possible to change Western Michigan to West Michigan? I tried making the change but learned it needs to be discussed first, sorry about that.

Would it perhaps make sense to split Southeast Michigan into Southeast Michigan and Flint/Tri-cities? I'm planning to make a Michigan regions map, and the one I'm looking at right now is this one. Thoughts? --(WT-en) Peter ^Talk 22:11, 29 September 2008 (EDT)

Also, I'm not sure of which counties belong in the other lower peninsula regions. Does the map I linked above get that right? --(WT-en) Peter ^Talk 22:15, 29 September 2008 (EDT)

There's still a L.P.-centric tone in the Michigan page. Too little reference to what's available in the U.P. I've been filling in a lot of material, specific stuff for travelers, on the U.P.'s page. Feel free to cross-link material from there to here, but do something. Michigan doesn't end at the Bridge. M. 23:26, 27 January 2013 (UTC)Mjz (talk)

Foreign cars

There seem to be disagreement about this paragraph: "If you are renting a car, it is suggested that you rent an American car to avoid offending anyone." I've reverted a removal as i have first hand account of someone getting in trouble. (WT-en) Sertmann 14:13, 12 November 2008 (EST)

People really get pissed about that? Don't Americans like German, Italian, and Japanese cars? What about Toyota and Hyundai or Daimler? Keep smiling, (WT-en) ee ^talk 14:17, 12 November 2008 (EST).

Yeah, my friend were driving a Hyundai as far as I remember (not sure if there is something special with Korean cars). Guess a Daimler (whatever that is) would be OK, since it's the same owner as Chrysler - and i guess it's mainly in Detroit and surroundings. (WT-en) Sertmann 14:32, 12 November 2008 (EST)

That is so wierd. I don't get that and I've never seen it the times I've been in the US. That is so odd! We definitely don't have that problem in Canada. Hrrrm...that is just cruel and pretty dumb ,why would people be like that? It's retarded-no offense Americans though I'm sure that most of yeh on here don't do that. But wow. Don't Americans like Porsche and Lexus-don't they crave foreign vehicles-I mean it's on their TV lots. Keep smiling, (WT-en) ee ^talk 14:51, 12 November 2008 (EST).

You're not getting it, it's not Americans, it's the 10.000's of laid of auto workers, their relatives, and remaining colleagues from the auto industry in Detroit, that takes offense. (WT-en) Sertmann 14:53, 12 November 2008 (EST)

Ooooooooh, so it's more of a Detroit auto industry thing. I don't think they have it in Windsor, Detroit's twin. Keep smiling, (WT-en) ee ^talk 15:03, 12 November 2008 (EST).

Cities

An anon added Ann Arbor to the list. I have reverted back to our maximum of nine items per list, but it does seem like Ann Arbor belongs in that list! Just take a look at the Ann Arbor article compared to others here. There are several that could be swapped out for it, but I'd say Saginaw would be the most obvious candidate. Opinions? --(WT-en) Peter ^Talk 00:54, 27 July 2012 (EDT)

I'd suggest either Saginaw or Holland (Michigan), and I'd lean towards dropping Saginaw simply because Holland has a bit more for travelers. As the home to a major university I would think Ann Arbor would be a bigger draw than either of those two, and that article is at star status and thus worth highlighting. -- (WT-en) Ryan • (talk) • 02:02, 27 July 2012 (EDT)

Ann Arbor is already listed, under "Other Destinations", hidden behind a link that reads "University of Michigan". I completely oppose having two links to Ann Arbor. (WT-en) LtPowers 11:40, 27 July 2012 (EDT)

Wouldn't it make more sense to remove the non-standard University of Michigan entry? We wouldn't drop Columbus from the Ohio article and replace it with an other destination of Ohio State University, or (to use a similar-sized city) include an "other destination" of Cornell University in the New York (state) article instead of listing Ithaca as a city. -- (WT-en) Ryan • (talk) • 11:53, 27 July 2012 (EDT)

Sure we would, and why not? See, for example, Mid-Atlantic#Other destinations, where we list "Gettysburg Battlefield" but link to Gettysburg. Or Pennsylvania#Other destinations where we have Gettysburg again, and "Pennsylvania State University" linked to State College. Neither of those cities has any business being in Pennsylvania#Cities; they are notable only for the non-city destinations they host. I see no problem with putting them under Other destinations. Ann Arbor's more akin to Ithaca than State College, I will admit... but it's either/or here, not both. (WT-en) LtPowers 21:28, 27 July 2012 (EDT)

Please. Ann Arbor is a MAJOR destination in southeast Michigan. Saginaw is not. If we must keep Saginaw, put it in "Other Destinations" and move Ann Arbor up to "Cities." Thousands of people visit Ann Arbor every year, and that's just for the football games. Add in the Art Fair, Summer Festival, Folk Festival, Film Festival, the UM Musical Society's annual calendar of events, and all of those restaurants, and Ann Arbor is a major destination. Mjz (talk) 14:47, 17 January 2013 (UTC)

I agree (still)—not only does Ann Arbor belong there for objective reasons, it's also one of our best articles and I'd like to see it highlighted. I've swapped out Saginaw for Ann Arbor. Please feel free to revise my one-liner about it, though—I've somehow never been. FYI, "other destinations" means destinations other than cities, so Saginaw definitely shouldn't be listed there! --Peter ^Talk 08:47, 18 January 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for moving Ann Arbor up to the "Cities" section. Although, if wikivoyage is to be about travel, tourism, and exploring the world, then I would have to argue that "Cities" and "Destinations" is an artificial distinction. As a frequent traveler (most recently to London UK for the Oly Games), I would find it more useful if the emphasis were on Destinations, whether they're cities, museums, natural areas, or what have you. To determine what makes a destination 'major' or 'minor', we could start by looking at how many 1000s of people are drawn to a destination every year. This is documented online in a number of free online sites, such as Wikipedia and Michigan.gov. Mjz (talk) 18:34, 18 January 2013 (UTC)

Yes, it's somewhat artificial, but our experience has been that shorter lists are better; dividing the list of "shortcut" destinations into "Cities" and "Other" allows us to have twice as many as we could with just one list. LtPowers (talk) 19:09, 18 January 2013 (UTC)

Any reason for not splitting "cities" into subsections (on the same page) by size or geography once there are more than nine? Creating yet another useless subregion (and corresponding region article) every time we have ten villages is a bit much if everything in the newly-created region page (except the city list) is empty.

That said, "museums" would not have their own pages as they are almost always in cities (where they appear in "see" as listings). "Natural areas" occasionally might be stand-alone articles if they're Jellystone Park-sized (3500 square miles in three states) but the local "conservation area" goes into the city article. That usually leaves "Other" for travel topics, itinerary or huge rural areas with a handful of small villages like Thousand Islands or Rural Montgomery County. K7L (talk) 19:27, 18 January 2013 (UTC)

Itineraries go in See, not Other Destinations. (Though, now that I think about it, maybe Erie Canal should be in New York (state)#Other destinations... LtPowers (talk) 19:57, 18 January 2013 (UTC)

I've seen an "interesting towns" section before—maybe something worth considering. But that's a discussion for Wikivoyage talk:Region article template. --Peter ^Talk 21:04, 18 January 2013 (UTC)

Why not discuss it here? Is the template a guide, or chisled in stone? I think a section on interesting towns would be a great idea.Mjz (talk) 21:39, 24 January 2013 (UTC)

It's pretty chiseled in stone. We're only supposed to deviate from it if there's a compelling reason particular to the region (there isn't here). We could put one in here as an experiment/example for such a discussion, though. By the way, I put the wrong link there, and have updated it to point to the article template. --Peter ^Talk 00:31, 25 January 2013 (UTC)

Michigan Grandmother has started selling her Cherry Vodka

As stated in the news, now there's cherry-infused vodka, made by a grandmother who came from Germany, no less. Given her backstory (barring cherry-infused vinegar?), I think the vodka could be appropriate to drink to the German language songs Ergo Bibamus, Krambuli (Here's a shorter, but livelier version) and Sitz ich in froher Zecher Kreise. Zum Wohl, everyone! --Lo Ximiendo (talk) 22:13, 4 July 2017 (UTC)

1800s Corduroy Road uncovered in Grand Haven Township

From the news article "Construction project uncovers 1800s road" and I quote: "Community Development Director Stacey Fedewa says the Tri-Cities Historical Museum in Grand Haven is planning to use some of the historic roadway for a future exhibit." --Lo Ximiendo (talk) 01:51, 1 August 2017 (UTC)

Understand

Why is image like that? It looks confusing to readers. Ated0t (talk) 17:36, 26 February 2023 (UTC)

I added a caption. Is it less confusing now? Read also the text about this way to see the state. –LPfi (talk) 18:33, 26 February 2023 (UTC)