Talk:Mid-Hudson and Catskills

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The below links have been removed from the main article because they do not follow the guidelines in Project:External links. Any information on the below linked pages should be integrated into the artile itself, respecting copyrights, of course. -- (WT-en) Ilkirk 11:24, 24 Nov 2005 (EST)

These are external links to tourism agencies and other trip-planning resources specifically for the Hudson Valley.

• Historic Hudson Valley owns or operates six historic sites in the valley. Its web site provides a trip planner and maps of the region.
• Hudson Valley Tourism suggests must-see sites within each county in the Hudson Valley and provides a link to each county's tourism office web site.
• The Hudson River Valley National Heritage Area website provides information on Hudson River Valley Heritage Sites, by region and interest.
• Hudson River Valley Institute is the academic arm of the Hudson River Valley National Heritage Area. Its web site provides contact information for local chambers of commerce, historical societies, and other sources of information. It provides articles ranging from regional history to local architecture. See also its photo galleries and virtual guide books; the latter can be sorted by region and by theme.

A valley with only one side?

To those of us who live here, putting all the counties on the east side of the river (save Albany) in the "Hudson Valley" but then classifying all the western counties as "Catskills" makes no sense. No one would consider Orange County, where I live, to be in the Catskills, in any sense, culturally, historically or geographically. Ulster and Greene counties, yes, but they have considerable river frontage as well and their largest communities are located along the river. And what of Rockland County?

Can we do something about this? Is it possible for the Catskills page to indicate that, say, western Ulster and southwestern Greene counties are in that region while the rest are properly attributed here? Daniel Case (talk) 19:39, 20 January 2013 (UTC)

Yes, it's been noted before that the regions need changing. Please contribute to the discussion at Talk:New York (state)#Regions_again.2C_again. Globe-trotter (talk) 20:15, 20 January 2013 (UTC)

I'm happy to change the boundaries of the Hudson Valley and Catskills region, but I've not yet found anyone willing to define the exact border between the two. I don't know the region well enough to say. LtPowers (talk) 20:33, 20 January 2013 (UTC)

There are steeper hills (including the Palisades) on the west side of the Hudson. I'm not sure if that enters into any thinking about where the Hudson Valley is, but I thought I'd bring it up. Ikan Kekek (talk) 09:57, 13 March 2013 (UTC)

Why isn't the riverside of Westchester County included among the regions?

I certainly think of places like Irvington, Dobbs Ferry, Tarrytown and Hastings-on-Hudson as Hudson Valley towns. Are there people who don't? Ikan Kekek (talk) 09:54, 13 March 2013 (UTC)

Sure, but the lower Hudson is part of Metro New York. LtPowers (talk) 17:24, 13 March 2013 (UTC)

Alright, I'll note that in "Go next." Ikan Kekek (talk) 17:44, 13 March 2013 (UTC)

Restaurant listings

I prematurely hit "Enter" and truncated my latest editing summary. Cena'colo is listed in Newburgh. It is standard practice to list restaurant and other specific listings in city guides whenever possible, and in regional guides only when there is no alternative. And per don't tout, no place can be listed in more than one article.

Please make an argument for why you believe we should deviate from standard policy in this case. Ikan Kekek (talk) 03:08, 13 May 2013 (UTC)

Subregions

Is the county-level subregionalization currently used here and in Catskills the best way to subdivide this region? We should probably evaluate the subregionalization scheme before fleshing out those county articles too far. Powers ^(talk) 13:21, 13 February 2014 (UTC)

My initial reaction is that it seems like the most natural way to subdivide regions in the State of New York, if such subdivision is desirable (and my feeling is that it does no harm and could be useful). But I'd be quite willing to consider other thoughts. Do you have any alternate suggestions? Ikan Kekek (talk) 22:01, 13 February 2014 (UTC)

I agree. Any other scheme will be necessarily subjective and likely start endless and pointless debate. Daniel Case (talk) 01:51, 14 February 2014 (UTC)

Editorial convenience should not be the primary criterion. We subdivide countries and regions subjectively all the freakin' time anyway. The question is, is it the most logical division for the traveler? I don't know the answer to that; I was hoping someone else might. I've done it both ways myself: Niagara Frontier is subdivided by county because there's no other natural way to do it, and the counties are fairly grid-like in their boundaries and shapes; but Finger Lakes is divided into four non-county regions because county borders pass through the lakes and have weird shapes, and the communities in each of the regions have identifiable commonalities. Powers ^(talk) 18:27, 14 February 2014 (UTC)

Yeah, but that's why I asked if you had any alternate suggestions. If you do, let's see them, so we can consider them. If not, we should stick with counties. Ikan Kekek (talk) 19:34, 14 February 2014 (UTC)

I am completely unfamiliar with the Catskills; that's why I asked you guys. Powers ^(talk) 21:46, 15 February 2014 (UTC)

I'm actually only slightly familiar with the Catskills, but User:Daniel Case is an expert, and since counties have separate identities in New York State, I'm happy to defer to his judgment. Ikan Kekek (talk) 21:57, 15 February 2014 (UTC)

But in the Catskills I'm not sure that's the case. Would a traveler recognize the differences between the counties within the park? Powers ^(talk) 14:50, 16 February 2014 (UTC)

I'm sure they wouldn't, without any signs posted. Ikan Kekek (talk) 20:33, 16 February 2014 (UTC)

┌────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────┘No, you wouldn't. About the only difference is that the Greene County portion (typified by the Route 23A corridor), is more developed with less wild expanses than the Ulster or Sullivan portions. Delaware County's portion goes from being like Greene County at its northern connection to like Sullivan County's at the park's western corner, but less populous. Daniel Case (talk) 15:27, 24 February 2014 (UTC)

So would it make sense, then, to try another scheme? Like perhaps "western Catskills" and "eastern Catskills"? Powers ^(talk) 20:25, 24 February 2014 (UTC)